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India And The World - Capt M Kumar - 01-08-2010 It is still early in Dr Singhââ¬â¢s second term as prime minister. The opposition is in disarray with both the Left and the Right still recovering from the serious blow they received in the general elections. With President Obama showing a renewed commitment to Afghanistan, the time to act is now. All that is required is for the UPA government to summon the requisite political will and rally the nation by making a clear military and political case for Indiaââ¬â¢s armed involvement in the Afghanistan. For that, it is imperative that Indiaââ¬â¢s military planners develop and have on the ready a comprehensive, well-thought out policy option involving the deployment of Indian troops in Afghanistan. http://pragati.nationalinterest.in/2010/01/why-india-must-send-troops-to-afghanistan/ 1 comment woth mentioning is: As a soldier au fait with Indiaââ¬â¢s national security scenario, I totally disagaree with this assessment that India can send many well equipped and trained divisions to Afghanistan in a combat role. Where are these divisions to come from? We have two nuclear powers sitting on our doorsteps.We are raising/have raised two more mountains divisions expressly to counter the threat to Arunachal. Secondly how are these divisions to be moved from India to Afghanistan? By road-Nix. By sea-which port? By air? We just do not have the transport air capability. We should continue training the Afghan Security Forces as we are now doing and even arm them. India And The World - Guest - 02-12-2010 [url="http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-asia-killed-us-with-low-end-labor-now-theyre-going-to-finish-us-at-the-high-end-2010-2"]CHART OF THE DAY: Asia Killed Us With Low-End Labor, And Now They're About To Finish The Job[/url] ![]() India is not doing much research, majority of research work is funded by government, Private sector need to do it own research work, not to fund to Government programme. India And The World - Capt M Kumar - 04-02-2010 Vice Rector Murat Orunkhanov, on behalf of Rector Academic Bakhytzhan Zhumagulov, presented the Medal of 75 years of the University to Sajjanhar for his significant contribution to strengthening relations between India and Kazakhstan in the area of education. The formal speeches were followed by recitation of poems and songs in Hindi by several students of the university. Dance items on popular Hindi songs were also presented by the students. The programme ended with an 'Antakshari' competition between two university teams, in which popular and well-known Hindi songs were sung. 'The celebration of Hindi Day helped to focus on the vibrant and dynamic relations between the two countries in the area of study of Hindi and other Indian subjects,' an Indian embassy statement said. http://sify.com/news/international-hindi-day-celebrated-in-kazakhstan-news-international-kebt4cehjaj.html India And The World - Capt M Kumar - 05-24-2010 ââ¬ÅIndia has the cultural strengths for a leadership position. It is a cultural superpower, even though it may not be a nuclear superpower. And it is the cultural strength that is required for a leadership position in the world. It is through winning hearts and minds that leadership can be achievedââ¬Â, Mr Ghalib said. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/India-has-cultural-edge-to-lead-world-Indonesia-envoy/articleshow/5968548.cms India And The World - Husky - 01-13-2014 Japan 1. forbes.com/sites/[color="#0000FF"]stephenharner[/color]/2014/01/02/after-yasukuni-china-closes-the-door-on-abe-why-is-he-smiling/ Shinzo Abe's visit to "controversial" Yasukuni war memorial shrine (not a Kami=religious shrine, but a commemoration site for nationalist dead built in the Meiji-era) was less Shinto-tva [=modern JP nationalism] - which some foreign "analysts"** had insinuated that Abe's move indicated - and more for the purpose of irking China, so that the two countries could both stop pretending to want to be friends. This bit on additional US bases is not a good thing for JP: Quote:Last monthââ¬â¢s Vice President Biden state visit to China, a follow up to last Juneââ¬â¢s bold and highly promising Sunnylands Summit between President Obama and President Xi, seems to have been fruitless, if not counterproductive. Biden arrived in Beijing after meeting with Abe and declaring that the U.S.-Japan alliance is the ââ¬Åcornerstoneââ¬Â of U.S. security in Asia. The above writer's own comment later on: Quote:[color="#0000FF"]Stephen Harner[/color], Contributor 1 week ago 2. ** C.f. how the foreign monitors stationed in Japan seem to go on about the JP nationalist fundamentalism "Shinto-tva" in Abe and its sinister portents/his taint by association with controversial visit to controversial memorial site. E.g. the following, which links to more examples shisaku.blogspot.jp/2014/01/hes-pro-shinto-but-not-that-pro-shinto.html shisaku.blogspot.jp/2014/01/shrine-temple-and-mr-abes-first-year.html The above blog's "Academic Links" section predictably links to known puppeteers: Quote:academic journals They have departments to "study" (monitor, influence, control, blacklist) *every* major Asian nation. The second blog entry mentions Temple University Japan [TUJ] campus, which belongs to Temple Uni US, founded by a reverend of a US Baptist Church. It's officially accredited as a foreign uni, medium is English, international (many western) students, and hosts political views on JP's government in the TUJ's u-toob channel. The blog host's speech on Abe's nefarious nationalist fundamentalism is not just hosted on TUJ grounds and promised to be posted on their utoob channel, but it was organised/hosted by "Institute of Contemporary Asian Studies (ICAS)", which sounds like yet another JP equivalent of the sort of foreign (usually US) Institutes that "discuss" [lecture about] India to their foreign and sepoy audiences. An interesting comment at one of the two blog entries above (which follows on from another comment on how Abe, being a 'nationalist fundamentalist/Shinto-tva', he should get along swell with the US christo rightwing): Quote:Robert Dujarric said..."Shinto is not universalist" -> i.e. it is not missionary (but an ethnic religion. But then, no heathenism is universalist.) Also nice to see that this last commenter - whatever his opinion on other matters - recognises that christianism only spells convert-or-kill for all heathens and other unbelievers. India And The World - Bharatvarsh2 - 01-24-2014 What's controversial? Its only controversial because of the mainland han and koreans (and the goras who ran the original show trials). And of course goras don't like Shinto reassertion, they had a 3 part alarmist series about it in japan times. Happy that Abe had the balls to say a fuck you to han. Considering that han are one of our 3 great enemies, this is good for Hindus. As for the US base, either the brainwashed population in Japan listens to Toshio Tamogami & scraps the rubbish constitution and gets nukes, builds carriers, nuke subs, and ups troop strength. Otherwise they will need the US base as prc would spank them in a war, even as things stand they are set to lose Senkaku if they don't act now. India And The World - ravish - 01-26-2014 To maintain peace in Asia, it is better that USA continues to give protection to Japan. After the two world wars, an armed Japan cannot be trusted. We may have a border dispute with our immediate neighbour China but that is not a valid resion to gang up with Japan. It is too early to forget the atrocities committed by Japan on the innocent civilain population of several Asian countries less than a 100 years ago, not once but twice. India And The World - Bharatvarsh2 - 01-26-2014 ravish the retard strikes again. Japan's role in WW1 was minor. Japan was forced into WW2 by the gora scum u admire so much (and the goras committed several atrocities during the war, after the war and do so even today) & no one cares if they killed some chinks considering that the chinks have massacred millions of Tibetans, Uighurs & Mongols & continue to do so. Here is some real history for a gora and chink lover like u: Quote:In writing this article, first let me state that today the United States and Japan are close friends and allies and I for one am very pleased about that. For the most part, both countries have gotten beyond the events of World War II and relatively few hold any grudges about it. This demonstrates a great deal of character and goodwill on the part of both countries. Unfortunately, despite the fact that none of what I shall relate in this article is anything less than documented, established fact, a great many still seem to have a very warped view regarding the war against Japan. In spite of all the evidence known even at the time of the war and other information which has been declassified since, many people in both the United States and Japan for that matter, continue to view the start of the war as being the result of Japanese aggression against the United States and nothing more. Some have even tried to twist the facts or simply fabricate their own in order to spread anti-Japanese bigotry to as many countries as possible. It is for that reason, and because truth is to be pursued for its own sake that I address this subject. I do so because I have touched on it a number of times in the past without ever giving a full explanation and I do so today simply because I enjoy offending people who are wrong. It is certainly not my intention to fuel any bad feelings between America and Japan. I wish nothing more sincerely than for the friendship between America and Japan to continue and would prefer that America was friends rather than enemies with all monarchies. Quote:America and Japan, Who Wanted War? I trust Japan far more than I trust goras, chinks, and their stooges like you. Apparently countries like the Philippines & Vietnam agree which is why they want Japan to assert itself against the chinks. A scumbag like you is willing to forget the millions of Hindus slaughtered by xtians and sullas (i never saw you demand that Britain be disarmed for what it did all over the world including India & is still doing most recently in Iraq, wonder why) but shed crocodile tears for chinks who were killing mongols, uighurs for trying to be free. The only Asian country Japan fought in WW2 was China, every other country was a gora colony. In several cases it was Japan that provided training and assistance to freedom fighters in Asia whether it was Bose, Suharto, Ba Maw etc. India And The World - ravish - 01-28-2014 Britain today is of no consequence, it finds place in the media only as a sidekick of the US. So there is no point in asking for disarming the small time extra in the world arena. I have carefully gone through your post and find that you are also in favour of continued US presence in Asia. Our only point of disagreement is whether to favour China or Japan.Both of us are free to have our own views on the issue;so perhaps no need to be abusive. Cheers India And The World - Husky - 01-28-2014 Concerning post #226 Uh... it's not news to me nor am I the one who needs convincing. Just to clarify for anyone else who chose to misread my post #225: Point 1 of that post - where the word controversial was in quotes - was about the real reason Shinzo Abe chose that time to visit Yasukuni: it was a political message to China (as stated: that the two countries could stop pretending to be friends/stop pretending that they could have anything to discuss until China backs down from encroachment on Japanese space). Point 2 of that post was about the alien psyops against Japan, where they try to generate alarmist fears about Shinto-tva as a fundootva/religious rightwing (akin to alien psyops against Hindootva as allegedly being a fundootva). Though the words controversial and nefarious etc weren't in quotes there, they don't really need to be either because that section is on the alien psyops' POV anyway. [2] (Shintos are naturally nationalistic - as Hindus are nationalistic since both cases concern the beloved heathen homeland of the concerned heathen populations. Does not imply that Abe's political moves/messages are intended as offensive belligerence toward anyone, let alone as Japan wanting to retread any form of Japanese imperialism - or anything related to channeling WWII, contrary to alien psyops' deliberately alarmist projections [1] that deliberately try to tie WWII with the present.) And while the christoconditioned western liberals pretended that Abe's Shinto-tva should get along with AmeriKKKa's actually rightwing christian right, one commenter at least saw the most basic flaw in that logic when he observed that AmeriKKKa's christian right would be compelled to convert-or-kill the Shinto Japanese for their polytheistic idolatry. I.o.w. western liberals who wanted to project Shinto-tva as any kind of natural allies with the AmeriKKKan (or other) christian right were deliberately lying to readers about its possibility/viability. Not to mention traditional Shintos have nothing in common with christians and christianism. Personally, I don't see why Japanese are not allowed to commemorate those that died for their nation, when AmeriKKKans and Europeans who committed crimes against humanity are regularly commemorated and even cheered. Everyone from Columbus, Churchill, to AmeriKKKan founding fathers/presidential genociders of the native Americans is projected positively by the victors' history-writing and this whitewashed projection of their characters as something admirable is imposed on the rest of the world (including the very victims of these alien terrorists). The Japanese are not asking anyone else to commemorate the Japanese dead enshrined at Yasukuni. Whereas - for example - Columbus Day is some special day in America and native Americans are expected to stomach it. Having said that, and regardless of my opinion, Yasukuni or at least visits by the highest ranking politicians to the memorial are indeed regarded as "controversial" now even in Japan: youngsters are brainwashed into this view. But will paste less widely-known stuff concerning Yasukuni and Japan in the next post. [1] One of the Japan-stationed alien anti-Japanese psyops links that was posted earlier mentioned approvingly the news article 'The Economist Tokyo Bureau Chief Tamzin Booth's allusively titled Banyan post "See you at Yasukuni"'. IIRC that phrase, as all those who were ever interested in the Kamikaze would already know, is what the Kamikaze said to each other before they went on their missions: that they would return (and forever) by being enshrined in Yasukuni upon their death. Rather moving I always thought. Since the alien shisaku blog recommended the article at The Economist (didn't read), it would probably have been alien psyops too and trying to present this as something evil and sinister - with which they try to project WWII onto modern Japan's re-assertion. Note the west (esp. US) has a love-hate thing going for kamikaze: they're in love with Kamikaze's heroism, the kind the christowest doesn't have - because they don't love their countries (which are dead to the christos) the way the Shintos love their hallowed land. But at the same time they demonize the Kamikaze too, for the crime of dying for Japan. If they had died for AmeriKKKa - or if aliens had done this, not that they could - it would be the stuff of legends in the west. But the phrase "See You At Yasukuni" was far from sinister: The pilots expected to see each other again in their homeland. The Kamikaze were intent on (their spirits) returning to their homeland to live forever there, having served their nation and having died to protect it. (Many Kamikaze willingly sacrificed themselves in their missions even after knowing Japan had lost.) "See you in Yasukuni" is based on a very Shinto notion, shared also by the "Thunder Gods" (IIRC another division of Shinto suicide pilots, akin to the Kamikaze = "Divine Wind"), one of whom wrote the following before his suicide mission [special credit goes to the episode of SAAB from decades ago, that had led me to the book that records it], which echoes a similar notion of living forever in the Shinto homeland upon their sacrifice: Quote:With my mission now at hand, my dear old town, my dear old people, (By the way, the Kamikaze and Thunder Gods were deeply Shinto in their life and this is specifically documented as being behind their spiritual conviction as Kamikaze too.) [2] You can see the US demonisation of Japan/manufacturing consent to contain Japan is fully in swing with the recent AmeriKKKan *political* posturing about Japanese hunting dolphins: the news is full of "Evil Japan is hunting dolphins". Abe correctly responded to the US govt official taunting Japan that dolphin hunting was traditional in Japan and that these dolphins weren't endangered. [color="#0000FF"]japandailypress.com/japans-pm-abe-defends-taiji-dolphin-hunt-cites-culture-and-tradition-2843160/[/color] Quote:Japanââ¬â¢s PM Abe defends Taiji dolphin hunt, cites culture and tradition Hypocritical AmeriKKKan govt has no moral leg to stand on. Cows, pigs and chickens in the west incl AmeriKKKa have no room at all to do anything but stand in the same position. It's really pathetic. And then they get killed. Why don't they stop that - it's not even a tradition. AmeriKKKa is inhumane. And then there's the recent Chinese film Flowers of War from 2011 (imdb.com/title/tt1410063/?ref_=nv_sr_1) starring Christian Bale despite it being a Chinese film directed by Zhang Yimou. Using the real "Rape of Nanking" only as a setting, the actual plot of the film itself is a total fiction: some western guy hiding as a priest in a Chinese nunnery/church (but of course, it's christo dawaganda film) where the Chinese nuns get brutally raped by the Japanese soldiers. (Then the Western/White Male runs off with the Asian Female as per the mention of this part of the plot at the bigwowo blog concerning Interracial Relationships Disparity.) Important note: The plot is fiction: it never happened. Not based on true events or anything. But the film apparently *graphically* depicts all the rape scenes of the poor Chinese nuns by the evil Japanese men anyway. And why would the film do so? For the same reason that Slumdog Millionaire was pure fiction and depicted graphic and disgusting violence. I.e. [color="#0000FF"]it's dawaganda cinema: its purpose is to show extreme violence and cruelty using fiction to emotionally incense viewers into hating the bad guys in the movies, as intended by the creators.[/color] And Zhang Yimou deliberately used nuns as the victims to appeal to a western audience and make them hate the Japanese for attacking helpless celibate christian women so brutally, despite this particular story never happening in the Rape of Nanking. Christian Bale was obviously cast to appeal to western audiences, as was the Western Male - Asian Female subplot. If Zhang Yimou had made a historical movie - of some actual events at Nanking - it would have been less offensive and not seem so political. But by using highly contrived fiction instead of facts (which were bad enough, so why create fiction?), it's clear that the movie is being blatantly opportunistic in trying to demonise Japan to western audiences. Though several of the comments at the madmonarchist blog entry linked to at the Rajeev2004 blog were also interesting in what they had to say. India And The World - Husky - 01-28-2014 Post 2/3 Stuff on Yasukuni. People can decide for themselves whether Shinzo Abe's visit was unacceptable or acceptable or controversial. First, about the site from which stuff gets quoted below and in the next post. Repeating: [quote name='Husky' date='20 January 2014 - 08:35 PM' timestamp='1390229841' post='117004']a Japanese "nationalist" site that Harvard/Asian Studies entities shriek at as Japanese fundootva. I figured that "therefore, there must be something good about the site" and had a look. I didn't read all that much - not enough to make up my mind on the site itself [/quote] The rest of the stuff I had read there follows. en.yoshiko-sakurai.jp/2013/08/21/5501 Quote:2013.08.21 (Wed) (While I haven't bothered to confirm any of the statements made above, it seems to me unlikely that the writer would lie about things that anyone could potentially check up on and think to get away with it.) Meanwhile, German nazis who were known war criminals involved in genociding the Jews were invited over by the US govt and habilitated in the US. Complete with new identities being given to them. I think the article "Good Americans" by Judge John Deed (or some such name) was about this and IIRC also the famous work "The Real Odessa" (?). Furthermore, we see AmeriKKKan war criminals in Afghanistan blow up civilian children for (as admitted by the culprits) no reason at all other than to collect some of their bones as "trophees". And the US courts want to rehabilitate these very persons and even specifically declared that these criminals are "productive" members of US society. News articles on this were posted in some IF thread. Everyone only remembers Japan in WWII. But mention Ustashe - the Catholic Croatian Nazis - and no one knows who these are, yet their crimes against humanity creeped out even the German nazis. The Comfort Women thing is regularly brought up - Japan has made monetary and other amends for this - and everyone immediately knows what Comfort Women refers to, yet no one else ever even mentions the infamous Joy Division of the German nazis. (Anyone who's heard of it thinks it's the name of the 80s band. At least the band - previously known as Warschau Pact and later as New Order, which last is still its name today - knew very well what Joy Division actually referred to: they specifically named themselves after various horrific WWII instances because nazis/WWII bothered them so much.) And indeed, why look so far back as the Joy Division of the nazis when current trafficking of women and children around US army bases in Asia is of a shocking nature and frequency. (As an aside, in Philipines prostitution went up 600% around US bases where the AmeriKKKans deal in very racist ways with the women concerned.) PLUS, every year huge numbers (IIRC thousands) of Filipino women are sent back from the US in body bags: exploited then murdered. Many of them were the original "mail-order" brides and went to the US into marriages with psychotic catholic christowestern males (which is what christianism groomed Filipino women for). No one mentions this, why? All recall only WWII Japan, but no one's memory wants to reach so far back as *today's* AmeriKKKa (or Europe, another sink for women and children trafficking). And neither AmeriKKKa nor Europe have every apologised for this. Not to mention the west's penchant for kidnapping heathen children via alien abductions legalised as adoptions. (And the famous mass cass of the American evangelical project "Operation Babylift" to steal heathen children from IIRC Vietnam and put them into psychotic christo families in the US.) India And The World - Husky - 01-28-2014 Post 3/3 And again. The links belong to [quote name='Husky' date='20 January 2014 - 08:35 PM' timestamp='1390229841' post='117004']a Japanese "nationalist" site that Harvard/Asian Studies entities shriek at as Japanese fundootva. I figured that "therefore, there must be something good about the site" and had a look. I didn't read all that much - not enough to make up my mind on the site itself [/quote] en.yoshiko-sakurai.jp/2014/01/10/5582 Quote:2014.01.10 (Fri) I recall an NL WWII anti-Axis poster shown in history class depicting deformed (highly, offensively caricaturised) Japanese officers pleading with German nazis that now they too are Arische brothers by siding with Germany. (It didn't purport to be historical, it was just lampooning the Axis powers.) But what nonsense, the Japanese - unlike some Indians - did not harbour the notion of being IE/Oryan nor did they want to join that clique anyway. They were Japanese, which was good enough for them. en.yoshiko-sakurai.jp/2013/11/19/5556 Quote:2013.11.19 (Tue) India And The World - Bharatvarsh2 - 01-29-2014 ravish its not abuse to call a retard as one. 1st wtf does two world wars have to do with Japan when WW1 was essentially mostly a conflict between gora powers. Japan played a minor role in WW1 as a Brit ally & their largest campaign was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Tsingtao Did you get Japan confused with Germany? lol You are not ready to supposedly forget a war finished 70 years ago, a war provoked by ur gora masters who created a situation where Japan had to go to war or collapse without a fight. But you are ready to forget the millions of mongols, uighurs, & tibetans killed by chinks and still being killed today, the thousands of Indian soldiers who were killed in 1962 by the chinks, the daily incursions into India. You know what that tells me? You are either a chink lover/stooge, a moron, or both. Britain may not be what it once was in power but they helped destroy Iraq, assist Pakis, & hostile to India. Yet u say nothing and instead worry about Japan lol. My reason for backing US presence in Japan for now has nothing to do with yours, Japan needs time to rearm itself & stand up to chinks on its own, until then US presence acts as a deterrent to chinks. I back Japan declaring itself a Shinto state, dumping the US imposed constitution, getting nukes, and expanding the military a great deal with carriers, nuke subs, greater troop strength (including conscription) etc. Shinto in politics & its significance for Hindus http://vajrin.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/148/ India And The World - Husky - 01-29-2014 Good that someone wrote about * how Shintos and Hindus are truly natural allies, since both Shinto and Hindoos are heathens. The phrase had been misused/abused before when AmeriKKKa kept saying that about US and India and Indians were actually eager to believe it. * and that Shintos gaining political power again - at last - can only be a good thing for Hindus. (Though, one wishes Hindus had political power again too. And were *Hindoo* about it instead of nationalistic seculars. Sigh) * and of course about the Shintos having historically successfully beat christianism back. That's 'cause Shintos are so kewl, and a role model for all heathens all over the world to emulate. The article could have further included one more important piece of info: [color="#0000FF"]the Japanese Sangha (i.e. Buddhist Sangha) tend to get really vindictive about any part in their history when Shinto was the state religion.[/color] And especially every current JP Buddhist process of recounting on the Meiji era has nothing good to say about Shintoism and whines on about how the nationalist Shinto government "forcibly" removed Buddhist items from Shinto shrines - whereby the Sangha pretends they ever belonged together - conveniently omitting to mention that Buddhism had *forcibly* installed these items in Shinto shrines in the first place, and that, in removing the intrusions, the Shinto state had merely finally implemented what the nation's Shintos had wanted since Buddhism had first been imposed on them by converted rulers: freedom from Buddhist inculturation and encroachment on Shinto religion and sacred space. Given that the Sangha remains very fiercely antagonistic towards Meiji era State Shinto and that the Sangha's slant on this history is to pretend that they were the ones victimised, and that a forced syncretic religion with Buddhism (i.e. subversion of Shinto religion) was a "boon" to Japan/Shintoism, [color="#0000FF"]it remains to be seen how the Sangha will react concerning Shintoism asserting itself politically once more in Japan.[/color] But should make it 'With or without you', as the old U2 song goes. [Uh. And now there's 4 writers online that all seem to sound much the same/employ the same style. And I'm not just talking about the use of the Royal "We". Alternatively the writer is a reincarnation of one of the existing trio. Or all these people went to the same school together. Or they're all channelling each other. Or whatever.] I'm liking the final line: Quote:May the Gods grant victory to both peoples [Shintos and Hindoos] in these endeavors."To-o Kami emi tame" (sp?) to the Shintos. - rajeev2004.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/quick-notes-abe-on-india-sikhs-in.html]recent news on Rajeev2004 Quote:Why India and Japan are becoming closer: [color="#0000FF"]Abe wants Japan's navy and Indian navy to be seamlessly interconnected.[/color] - [color="#0000FF"]rajeev2004.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/japan-and-india-bolster-ties.html[/color] - [color="#0000FF"]rajeev2004.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/japan-to-build-bullet-trains-for-india.html[/color] Once Japan and India have strengthened themselves strategically, my wishlist includes that Japan starts joint animation firms with Indians: India has the masses of Hindoos needed for continuing the sublime artform that is tradigital (2D hand-drawn) animation, and Japan has the heathen vision for proper heathen cinematic and serialised representation of the narratives about the Gods. (Indian animations concerning Hindu material tend to be all new-age and utterly lame/unHindoo and downright de-heathenising. Ugh. :ban Plus Japan - more than Hindoos - has always been interested in other heathenisms. Including in animating these. E.g. they've animated Daoist, Hindoo, Hellenistic and other sacred heathen katha.If organised well, it will be profoundly influential in 1. instilling heathenism - the proper, traditional heathen views - in the younger generations. Can start with covering Shinto, Daoist and Hindoo narratives and eventually move on to those of the rest of the world. The first 3 together will help re-heathenise the young of the future generations of Asia into their native ancestral religions. 2. preserving native languages. E.g. don't release any of the animations in English, just dub them exclusively in Asian heathen languages with subtitles in the native languages' scripts. (And where Hellenistic, African, NW European heathen, Native American or other heathen narratives are animated, release them in Greek/Latin/other relevant heathen language to let the relevant heathens have access to their own sacred narratives, and to support their ancestral languages: they could contribute the dubs themselves.) But "converts" and other aliens should not be given access to the animations. These are not universal religions after all, and the narratives are not universal. In time can make humane, secular animations for a world-wide general audience: sci-fi, fantasy, etc. 3. promoting art among heathens. Will certainly prevent the anti-heathen and visual junk of the christoislamics such as MFH from being passed off as "art" ever again. 4. Christoislamicommunits will look suitably constipated. 5. Nice way to bypass bollywho's monopoly of brainwashing. Bollywho will die a natural death among the young/next generations, who will have become immune to all insipidity and tackyness, having been exposed to the glorious and the wholesome/life-giving stuff. India And The World - Bharatvarsh2 - 01-29-2014 ^^ "Including in animating these. E.g. they've animated Daoist, Hindoo, Hellenistic and other sacred heathen katha." can u give me titles/links? thanks I am aware of the Ramayana one & Shinto stuff in some other anime like that movie Spirited Away but I don't watch anime/TV much so must have missed the above. Oh & do u have details on which gora subversionists are behind this blog? http://www.greenshinto.com/wp/2014/01/03/abes-shinto-chauvinism/ reminds me of when they lecture on Hindu stuff to Hindus. India And The World - Husky - 01-31-2014 I had written up most of my answer to you last time I logged in, having already looked through both my DVD cupboards as well as going through my wishlist of further DVDs to purchase and of programs I'm keeping an eye out for for if they release it as well as of descriptions of half-remembered programs we* watched in childhood whose titles we never knew or have forgotten. [* Where "we" refers to sister and myself.] But I haven't posted all that yet. Because. [color="#0000FF"]I'll answer your questions, if you'll answer mine. Which of HH or Bodhi authors that vajrin blog?[/color] (Didn't see that one coming did ya?) The third person who sounds somewhat like HH got eliminated owing to a few features of the blog. And I don't think there's any extra persons I need to consider: there's certain terminology used that limits the options to just HH and Bodhi. Well, unless HH has another blogger friend/acquaintance who has adopted all his terminology/his style of invention of terminology.) It's really bugging me now because there are features that are very Bodhi [and unlike HH] and yet there's also suggestions made that I'd have bet money were more HH than Bodhi. I myself suspect it's a certain one of the two (but am obviously not sure/am left with questions that don't add up, else I wouldn't be asking), but don't want to influence your answer in case point 3 below applies. I really want to know if I'm right. I may not be great at guessing which signature belongs to which handwriting, but I hate being stumped on the question of who wrote something, when just a little data should allow one to make up one's mind. [color="#0000FF"]Now, it may be that: 1. the blogger's identity is a secret; 2. it's not your secret to tell; 3. you don't yourself actually know, but haven't (or have) thought about it; 4. none of 1-3 (i.e. you know the answer and it's not particularly private) but you don't want to answer the question for whatever reason.[/color] If it's 1 or 2, that's okay, I respect keeping secrets. And will answer your questions anyway. If it's 4, I'm just going to have to withhold my answers too. Not that they're a matter of life and death. [color="#0000FF"]If it's 3,[/color] then I want you to guess which of the two persons it is - preferrably without visiting the blog again, because recollection's a good exercise for your brain - based on any indicative points/features you remember ever reading on the pages of that blog (even if you only ever read one page) combined with what you know of the two persons. In your answer, you will need to list the points for your argument in favour of who it is. Even if you have not reasonably convinced yourself which of the two it is, your reasoning for each person is still valuable. (You may come up with things that I didn't think of and which may help me to decisively finalise on one or the other person.) In your answer, state which of 1 to 4 it is. If you cheat and say it's 1 or 2 when it's not - to get off easy (say because you don't want to bother writing up your reasoning for 3) - then that's just unfair. [color="#0000FF"]BE AWARE[/color] though, that there is no real reward: my answers to your questions may be totally useless - as they usually tend to be. Or one of them may be accidentally useful for a change (hey, it could happen). It's a gamble, but one which it's up to you whether you take it or not. India And The World - Bharatvarsh2 - 01-31-2014 That particular article was written by me, but that blog is shared between me and a friend (not Bodhi or HH) so some of the posts such as response to Han imperialism are his. The one's on Japan are mine. India And The World - Husky - 02-01-2014 [quote name='Bharatvarsh2' date='31 January 2014 - 07:24 PM' timestamp='1391176005' post='117029'] That particular article was written by me, but that blog is shared between me and a friend (not Bodhi or HH) so some of the posts such as response to Han imperialism are his. The one's on Japan are mine. [/quote] *Ohhhhh*, that explains a lot (not everything, but a lot). Yeah I remember, 'cause you also used to use HH-type terminology. (You say there's yet another one of you at the blog? Does HH even know he's given birth to so many following in his footsteps/channelling his style on the internet?) I was happy to see the article on Japan and was happier to find and read a few more articles on Japan there. Very good for Hindu readers and also like that it connected things back to how Hindus could learn from the Japanese such as their way of and reasoning for tackling christianism etc. [Also, I approve of everything that speaks well of the Shintos, being terribly biased in favour of Shintos and Daoists.] And it's sadly so rare to see Hindus take an interest in heathen religions to our east, that it's such a welcome change: most seem to only care about learning of religions to the west of us - if at all - or else threaten (wrongly) that the rest of Asia is "Buddhist" in identity (before concluding 'Indian superiority' for the great 'achievement' of spamming Asia with Buddhism). Anyway, my half of the bargain. Japanese Animation (anime): [quote name='Bharatvarsh2' date='29 January 2014 - 10:02 PM' timestamp='1391012695' post='117025'] ^^ "Including in animating these. E.g. they've animated Daoist, Hindoo, Hellenistic and other sacred heathen katha." can u give me titles/links? thanks[/quote] Want your bairns to be watching good stuff eh? I got ya, I got ya. Say no more. Note that Japan doesn't make as many live-action films. Anime has instead become the medium they use to tell stories. As a result, there are anime for adults (some with adult content) and anime for all ages kids inclusive. This is something you need to be aware of if you're trying to choose Japanese animation for your kids: don't get the wrong stuff. (Anime for adults include thoughtful sci-fi, fantasy, historical and action stuff - some have heathen backgrounds. I'll be mostly skipping these and limiting myself to heathen titles for kids.) - All Studio Ghibli movies are recommended (and their pre-Ghibli work). Just like Ghibli's Spirited Away (Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi [sp?]), some are very Shinto in their basis such as Tonari no Totoro (classic!), Mononoke Hime (epic!) and Pom Poko, which last showcases both Shinto and Buddhism in recent JP. Others are based on ancient JP narratives despite being set outside Japan: e.g. the character of Nausicaa's eponymous heroine is based on The Princess Who Loved Insects; Hols the Prince of the Sun is actually an ancient JP narrative transposed to a Norse setting) and yet other Ghibli films are a product of JP/heathen principles despite being fantastical (Kiki, Rapyuta/Laputa) or have a Shinto background in modern/recent history (e.g. Omohide Poroporo/Only Yesterday - where characters bow to Amaterasu Amman at dawn) or are based on popular JP novels (Umi Ga Kikoeru, Poppy Hill). And others, while loosely based on western fantasy stories (Hauru/Howl, Arietty, Gedo Senki/Earthsea), were significantly altered by the directors. Castle of Cagliostro is straightforward comedy-action. [color="#0000FF"]Grave of the Fireflies is NOT for kids: WWII tragedy where the main characters - two kids - die.[/color] - Tatsu-no-ko-Taro (available in US) - ancient Shinto narrative. Also highly recommended. Watch on your own first and then decide if you think your kids are ready to watch it. - "Tao Tao" (available in mainland W-European languages, DE, FR). Animal stories from around the world. - Ulysse 31 (En dub and Fr dubs - En is Out of print and can be expensive to acquire). JP-FR co-production. Sci-fi. While the Olympic Gods are not presented as good - because the French wrote the plot - many of the adventures are still there in some way, but transposed to a space setting. Japanese animated it and so the character design has clear influences from Hellenistic statue art. - various other 70s (or was it 60s) Japanese animated series and movies: The latter are not yet all released, and some are not released in English regions as far as I'm aware. The episodes from one of the series I saw in my early childhood had Hindu and I think Daoist narratives. One episode had Ganapati, another I think was actually the narrative of Erlang Shen vs River Dragon. We're still searching for the title of this series. Available on DVD: Lady White Snake (JP animation of Chinese narrative), Sorceress and the Robbers (JP narrative). Japan's Nezha animated series (distinct from China's Nezha film) - not watched this. The first two are/were available from Germany (Lady White Snake has English subs, Sorceress is Out of Print). Japan's Nezha series, and Japan's animation of Chinese Buddhist fictional novels is/was available from Japanese and Chinese online stores. Can try cdjapan. Note a lot of this stuff, being things I watched in my childhood, is obviously meaningful to me - perhaps owing to what others might call nostalgia. It may not appeal to others. Studio Ghibli films and Tatsu-no-ko Taro however have universal appeal and come highly recommended. (I do have Ramayana/Legend of Prince Rama on DVD, but it never much appealed to me or my family. The story wasn't much like the Ramayana and also dragged. I suspect it was the Indian half of the JP-IN co-production that is the reason for this.) India And The World - Husky - 02-01-2014 And this: [quote name='Bharatvarsh2' date='29 January 2014 - 10:02 PM' timestamp='1391012695' post='117025'] Oh & do u have details on which gora subversionists are behind this blog? http://www.greenshinto.com/wp/2014/01/03/abes-shinto-chauvinism/ [color="#0000FF"]reminds me of when they lecture on Hindu stuff to Hindus.[/color] [/quote] [color="#0000FF"]Sorry I don't know anything about them. I looked at it and your assessment sounds right to me. There are a lot of alien sites on Shinto and they all sound like this. [Most of the native (=actual) Shinto sites tend to be in JP, btw.][/color] Aliens always do this to heathens. They are such stalkers, like vampires going after the blood of the living, the aliens are similarly unable to control themselves from going after Others' Heathenisms and try and suck the life out of that as well. It's not enough for aliens that their direct christian ancestors murdered the last inconvertible heathens of their own ancestral religion and hence murdered their ancestral religion. [color="#0000FF"]From my experience alien Shinto sites are all into one or other (or perhaps both) of the following things: 1. Dabbling/right to convert syndrome.[/color] Derives from aliens - who are used only to missionary religions, which are all universalist (want/accept converts) - thinking that 'therefore' ethnic religions are similarly universal and that aliens thus have the right to "convert" to ethnic religions. In this way, they eventually come to regard themselves as experts, and hence set up blogs/write books/start lecturing to other aliens on the native religion. [Often they even try to lecture the native (sole) heathens of that religion themselves.] Happens a lot to Daoists, Shintos - not just to Hindus. But it happens more commonly to Hindus, courtesy of the number of religion salesmen selling Hindu religion overseas and thus inviting aliens to Please Come Dabble and forcing aliens on the rest of Hindoo society which never sought nor wanted converts. [color="#0000FF"]2. Infiltrators. Monitoring and subversion purposes. These are the ones that have political opinions[/color] on what Japan's govt should or should not do, or whether it is or isn't Shinto. Pretending they're converts is not enough, they have to pretend that - as "converts" - their opinion as as valid as that of native Shintos. [color="#0000FF"]Infiltrators may act as English language gateway to perceptions on Shinto and Shintoists for all English readers.[/color] I.e. they end up hogging what views on Shinto are available to those who know only English and not Japanese. The whole attempt to spook people with "State Shinto [or Abe's Shinto] isn't real Shintoism" or "Shintos shouldn't be nationalist" - to spook foreigners into fear of Shinto-tva and perhaps brainwash any natives that may listen into thinking that actual native Shintos like Abe know less about Shinto religion than the alien lecturer - was also seen over a decade ago at AskWhy, before Shinzo Abe ever came to power. AskWhy was an alien (IIRC British) site exposing christianism, but it was created by a bunch of neopagans who presented all of the Meiji era's Shinto-ism as "subverted" and "not true Shinto". Meiji era Shinto state was in some pursuits more nationalist than Shinto, but this ignores the fact that many in the government and especially the laity were still Shinto. Not everything Abe politically does will be for the "purpose of Shinto" of course. But being a Shinto-ist himself, he will nevertheless be guided in his principles and approach by this. And that is as it should be. Alien dabblers are useless at best. They often tend to think that heathen religions are new-ageisms: some fad to dabble in during spare time. They don't realise that heathenisms are the everday life and lifeblood of the actual, native heathens and that therefore it permeates all aspects of native heathens' life, and consequently that heathens require a heathen government/state that represents them and follows their way of life (i.e. the heathen religio). Unlike alien converts whose hobby is to treat other people's ancestral religions as an outlet for their new age tendencies whenever they feel like it, heathens have their survival at stake: we don't get to escape from what threatens us, we can't drop who we actually are and choose to adopt someone else's life and identity/stalk someone else for a while. (Not that heathens would.) Japan's source of strength is its Shinto/their Kamis. They *should* let their Shinto identity guide their nation. And not that today's Hindus would do the following, but personally I think all heathens need to distance themselves from alien "converts", stop making them feel welcome, and let them know they're not accepted. While it won't stop aliens from threatening to dabble, it de-legitimizes anything they may have to say/do on behalf of the native heathenism or native heathens. (Ignore them constantly and consistently - stop sending mixed signals - and they may go away eventually. At the end of the day, heathens have no one else to look out for them but themselves. Aliens are NOT an asset. They are almost always a liability, though some are smaller ones than others. And many are an outright threat.) IMO, should do what the L/N/Dakota North American native Americans did in their declaration of war on both alien "converts" and those traitors who sold native American spirituality to aliens. But then, the native Americans were always centuries ahead of Hindus. Including - tragically - in what happened to them. Found at that site. One thing of note is that the Hellenes are not the only ones drawing a willing comparison with Shinto: greenshinto.com/wp/2014/01/28/hellenismos-pt-2/ greenshinto.com/wp/2014/01/27/hellenismos-pt-1/ Back in the early 2000s, the Roman Reconstructionists at beliefnet discussed among themselves that the religion closest to them was .... Shinto. "Shintos have a <pooja area> too!" the Roman Reconstructionists declared, and more such generic comparisons. (Except most of the features listed then - and I think all those listed at the links above - are also present in Hindoo religion and Daoism. Meanwhile, I also note that traditional Shintos - i.e. not alien "converts" - have repeatedly drawn comparisons with Hindoo-ism as the closest religion to their own in terms of views. :cheering: Indeed, as an extreme case, that Japanese professor even went so far as to declare an Identity relation between Shintoism and Hindoos' religion.) But it is nice to see Europeans bypassing PIE-ism and seeking a natural/heathen (and not an enforced genetic/IE) affinity with non-IE religion. It is a victory of sorts for heathenism. greenshinto.com/wp/2014/01/28/hellenismos-pt-2/ admits: Quote:Home worship greenshinto.com/wp/2014/01/27/hellenismos-pt-1/ Quote:According to Yamakage Motohisa, Shinto priest and author: At the bottom is a picture of Shintos gathering in the water to cleanse themselves and offer prayers to the Kamis, captioned "Mass misogi on the summer solstice near Ise". Compare with what Hindus do in rivers. [Sidenote: Stupid PIE-ists will next declare that this "must have been" PIE-influence on Japanese religion - or indeed that it is "proof" of how PIE-ism must have been at the root of constructing Shinto, the way they're working on declaring that everything Daoist is originally owing to PIE influence. But Shinto Kamis are real, whereas PIE-ist gods are merely reconstructed=invented and no one - not even the hardcore PIE-ists - has ever seen a re-constructed PIE god.] Hindoos will recognise that Shintos are a lot like Hindoos. (As Shintos have observed too, upon noticing Hindoos.) And Shintos are a lot like Daoists, who are a lot like Hindoos. Daoists also do "first-fruits" offering of food - especially of fruits - to their Gods in their often-huge pooja room. And these are then likewise eaten as prasaadam. Daoists are a lot like Hellenes - as noticed by many people (including me, but not often by Daoists themselves, who have however noticed they are a lot like Hindoos). And the above shows that Hellenes (like the Beliefnet Roman Reconstructionists) have noticed the Shintos are a lot like Hellenes. I will admit that Daoism [and Shinto] are a lot more like Hindoo-ism in certain detailed respects than they are like Hellenismos. E.g. as based on the comparison drawn by Daoists between Daoism and Hindooism of festivities, their dates and observances during those festivities. Also, Certain Rituals - which shall not be named - and the views concerning them are slightly more similar between Daoists and Hindoos than between Hellenes and Daoists and Hellenes and Hindoos. Also, even modern Daoists and Shintos seem to like Hindoo Gods and imagery of Hindoo Gods, and apparently feel a natural inclination - not instilled by Hindus, btw - towards recognising these images as being those of Gods (albeit not always Gods they have heard of or seen images of before, which underscores it is a natural inclination). It goes without saying that traditional Hindoos would feel the same for moorties of Daoist Gods and for the Saaligraamam and Ayudhas and Sacred Items etc. of Shinto Gods. And like Hindus, Daoists for instance insist that their temple moorties are actual embodiments of their Gods. Heathenisms are simply like this. The "We're the only one, We're the only one" attitude that Hindus adopt has to change. And the "We're the last of the 'pagans'" self-delusion also has to change. For one thing it is downright offensive: it betrays not only that claimants are utterly ignorant of what exists in sufficiently large numbers to our east but also that claimants discount these heathen populations and their heathenisms altogether. Yet often when certain modern 'Hindus' discover any similarities with ancient heathen religion X in the world (say the Mayans), they embark on that lame enterprise of declaring that it "must" be Hinduism (Uh, how? Any proof? And similarity is not proof of transfer, right? Much rather it's because - again - "heathenisms are simply like this".) India And The World - Husky - 02-02-2014 1. Had accidentally left out a few things: [quote name='Husky' date='01 February 2014 - 04:57 PM' timestamp='1391253568' post='117030'] - All Studio Ghibli movies are recommended [/quote] Had re-written that post to make it shorter, but in re-writing had left out the following Ghibli titles and a Japanese live-action movie: - Ponyo is a fantasy fairytale (not recognisably based on the Little Mermaid) and features a Sea Goddess as the little heroine's mother. The Sea Goddess appears at the end and the JP sailors are shown as praying to her. - Takahata has just come out with his animation of the very ancient Japanese narrative of the tale of the Moon Princess. Released in JP, still waiting for local release. - Miyazaki also came out with an animation last year, set around WWII, but doesn't seem to be a sad/war story. One about designing planes, I understand. Waiting for its local release too. For those wanting to buy the Ghibli oevre on DVD* AND want English dubs alongside the original Japanese VO [color="#0000FF"]AND who have multi-region players[/color]: there are regularly sales on R2 UK DVDs, selling titles for <= 6 or 7 pounds. For Sen to Chihiro No Kamikakushi (sp?) R4 has the better quality release, and for Mononoke Hime R1 (or R2 France) has the better quality release. *Don't know about blu-ray. Live-action JP movie: "Shinobi" is - as its title already says - about Ninja (and Ninja are Shinto). Based on the Basilisk anime, it has an extremely linear plot of 2 Ninja groups killing each other. Not for kids: artistic violence/fake blood etc. The movie is just historical-fantasy rather than historical realism, btw. Nevertheless recommended since it has an excessively beautiful heroine that I think every Hindoo should have a good look/stare at. 2. Weird greenshinto.com/wp/2014/01/27/hellenismos-pt-1/ Quote:My name is Erik and I am a modern Hellenic polytheist; I worship the ancestral gods of my (American, Western-European-descended) culture. Uh, I've not heard that all of "Western-Europe" was to have worshipped the Greco-Roman Gods historically. (Or that say Vikings took to Hellenismos like ducks to water; those that entered the Roman empire were more famous for taking to christianism if they weren't converted by then already.) Not sure when Olympic Gods became the common inheritance of all W-Europe. Meanwhile, it is known that at least by late antiquity many Phoencians (and Syrians) were Hellenes. E.g. the famous Porphyry was a Phoenician, who are Middle-Easterners, *not* IE. |