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Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 03-10-2010 Quote:SSridhar IIRC SSridhar is mixing the inner and peripheral flow in the explanation above. The core flow is optimally mixed (Stoichiometric ratio of fuel and exidizer) and burm at maximum efficiency while peripheral flow is intentionally fuel rich (excess fuel as used as coolenat to save the nozzle throat material from melting/ablating). Indian Missile News And Discussion - Guest - 03-10-2010 "Ramana: A reconfigured 3 stage Agni-V can place 700 Kg satellite in 400 km altitude orbit at 110 degree inclination" Arunji, did'nt you say 550 kg to a 200 km orbit some pages back in this thread (with conservative assumptions)? Maybe we should be conservative about these estimates. There are some media reports that A-III uses maraging steel motor cases only and composite cases will be introduced only with A-V.... KrishG on BR says 200-250 kg for a modified 3-stage A-III. This may be for A-III+SUM. The Start LV, which is a topol icbm+4 th stage does 632 kg to 200 km LEO...with three stages, the payload will be much less... Indian Missile News And Discussion - emperor - 03-10-2010 If you want to put a sat in orbit, it has to be atleast 500km in the most conservative estimates for the life line of sat.Anything lower than that orbit will reduce the life of the sat.And a 200km orbit? what could be the possible life span for a sat in such orbit? maybe months? with galons of fuel onboard for station keeping? Indian Missile News And Discussion - ramana - 03-11-2010 1) In the VKS interview: Quote:You have also been quoted as saying that we donââ¬â¢t need to build and store missiles as we have the capability to convert two weapon systems at short notice. The question is, a certain number of missiles will always need to be made and stored as, after all, how short is the short notice. Would you agree with this? What he is saying is he can build at short notice that class of vehicles for which there isnt a current need. 2)Chandragupta the idea is to launch quick reaction sats to provide coverage and not for normal sat launches which are in long life orbits. 3) Converting a missile to a sat launch is very energy intensive. You will be surprised how quickly the sat weight drops vs throw weight. The reason is orbital injection velocity is > 7km/sec and missile throw weight velocity is less. 4) A "non-test" test of missile capability is to demonstrate its sat launch capability to 400km orbit. It sends the signals witout alarming people. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 03-11-2010 [quote name='Kritavarma' date='10 March 2010 - 07:23 PM' timestamp='1268228711' post='105036'] "Ramana: A reconfigured 3 stage Agni-V can place 700 Kg satellite in 400 km altitude orbit at 110 degree inclination" Arunji, did'nt you say 550 kg to a 200 km orbit some pages back in this thread (with conservative assumptions)? Maybe we should be conservative about these estimates. There are some media reports that A-III uses maraging steel motor cases only and composite cases will be introduced only with A-V.... [/quote] I guess I should specify the stage configuration when I report Agni-V's satellite capability. This one is for this confign. Code: Payload = 750.0 Kg, Number of Stages = 4, Simulation Time Granularity = 0.100 Second Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 03-11-2010 [quote name='Chandragupta' date='10 March 2010 - 10:47 AM' timestamp='1268197767' post='105023'] May be not Arun. Even an A-III with no modification is reaching a peak height of 350km with 2500KG payload capability. Maybe your numbers need some alteration? [/quote] I am talking of orbital flight, you are talking few sub-orbital BM flight. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 03-11-2010 [quote name='Austin' date='10 March 2010 - 07:45 AM' timestamp='1268186843' post='105017'] Couple of points We can now conclude that the definitive variant of PAD will be the all solid fuel PDV with IIR seeker , the PAD acted as Proof Of Concept Interceptor Vehical plus provided a quick deployable solution to deal with Pak threat The PDV with greater than interception altitude of 100 km should be capable of intercepting LEO satellites with modification VKS backed down on his we are better than China perhaps with some nudge from GOI ?Now he says China is better AAD-1 and AAD-2 clearly designed to deal with higher IRBM,full ICBM threats , its also good to know we are working on Sat based EW system and integration with AWACS and other assets. [/quote] On this discussion a response received from a friends via email: Quote:Definitely told to hold off many details. His earlier statements - some of which I was privy to a public event, were much more forceful and categorical. The GOI apparently didnt like him being forthright. Quote:Guys, got a chance to read this in detail. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Guest - 03-11-2010 [quote name='Arun_S' date='10 March 2010 - 03:46 PM' timestamp='1268257118' post='105055'] I guess I should specify the stage configuration when I report Agni-V's satellite capability. This one is for this confign. Code: Payload = 750.0 Kg, Number of Stages = 4, Simulation Time Granularity = 0.100 Second [/quote] Except for thrust directions and launch direction, this config file is the same as the one on pg 7 of this thread. So much altitude difference ? Also, payload in this file is the same as that of last file. So, you must say 750kg - ~200kg for guidance and navigation syatems, etc. So, is'nt orbital payload ~550 kg rather than 700 kg ? Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 03-11-2010 Rocksim does not optimizes trajectory for orbit insertion, so it is an iterative thurst angle optimization effort to determine max payload to orbit. It does have feature to stop thrusting when orbit is reached. As you correctly observe this latest simulation has different thrusting angle, and I spent time to get it to near optimum insertion trajectory, and that made the difference in reaching 400km orbit. Yes there is overhead of control system that must be accounted for in the 750 kg payload, although the navigation system could be common and carried in satellite. On the flip up-side the mass faction of upper stage is still conservative and a BM converted to space launcher would greatly benefit if upper stage was brought to the correct proportion of previous stage with net mass of ~4.7 tonne. In my considered view and some other people I highly value on this forum, the key point in Saraswat's statement is that some numbers of Agnis' can deliver heavy payload across all possible trajectory in BM or orbital trajectory depending on contingency. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 03-12-2010 Important to note that all future wars may be LIW. As outlined by late Air Chief SK Mehra, in a discussion 9 years ago. Raising of multitude of Rashtirya Rifles was initiated that time and it was a new novel phenomenon then. [size="4"][color="blue"] [/color][/size][url="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=2010031259840300.htm&date=2010/03/12/&prd=th&"][size="4"][color="blue"]Agni-V may be test-fired next year [/color][/size][/url] Quote:Date:12/03/2010 URL: Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 03-12-2010 [quote name='Arun_S' date='11 March 2010 - 11:15 PM' timestamp='1268329029' post='105087'] Rocksim does not optimizes trajectory for orbit insertion, so it is an iterative thurst angle optimization effort to determine max payload to orbit. It does have feature to stop thrusting when orbit is reached. As you correctly observe this latest simulation has different thrusting angle, and I spent time to get it to near optimum insertion trajectory, and that made the difference in reaching 400km orbit. Yes there is overhead of control system that must be accounted for in the 750 kg payload, although the navigation system could be common and carried in satellite. On the flip up-side the mass faction of upper stage is still conservative and a BM converted to space launcher would greatly benefit if upper stage was brought to the correct proportion of previous stage with net mass of ~4.7 tonne. In my considered view and some other people I highly value on this forum, the key point in Saraswat's statement is that some numbers of Agnis' can deliver heavy payload across all possible trajectory in BM or orbital trajectory depending on contingency. [/quote] Also you would have noted this the maximum payload possible, when laucnhed at most optimum orbital inclination. Unlike ISRO's regular satellites that are eaither launched in polar or equitorial plane that have handicap of dog leg manuvering around Sri Lanka or needling around Indonasia. In war time such constrains are less relevant. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Guest - 03-12-2010 Important to note that all future wars may be LIW. It is well understood. Despite Red fort n Parliament attack, India did not, could not start a war. Other fact being both are nuclear armed nations. But India is amassing tanks in numbers and buying fighters as if there is no tomorrow and assuming falsely the war would break out within few years, while Russia has decided to diminish its tank strength at half, despite surrounded by Nato countries. Quote:Ministry of Defense made an official statement that the Army does not need half of its tanks (over 10,000). Half of the remaining tanks would be used as battle tanks, while the other half would be in reserve. Nearly four decades without a battle and our war material being decayed without a engagement. Its time we use some prudence and limit our Military purchases, for India is not a rich country, neither it is developed country. On the other hand we have billions to spend on our power resources as we import many reactors and its fuel combined. India is being forced to borrow (already we owe 242 billions) and the end result would be ruinous. If we have decided that its gonna be a LIW, India does not need to have 1000 fighters, now that we have all types of missiles in our arsenal. Indian Missile News And Discussion - ramana - 03-13-2010 DRDO Newsletter for March 2010 Has AIII test and other details Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 03-13-2010 [quote name='ramana' date='13 March 2010 - 07:21 AM' timestamp='1268444607' post='105143'] [url="http://www.drdo.com/pub/nl/2010/mar10.pdf"]DRDO Newsletter for March 2010[/url] Has AIII test and other details [/quote] Very cool. It has first evidence fo Agni-III SL Submarine Launched: Quote:At present, cassette casting and pressure casting The former is critical for Arihant's all stages of teh compact 2 m dia missile and , where as the latter for ABM booster motors. Quote:The strategic programme of DRDO I think "low-density" is typo based obfuscation. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Guest - 03-13-2010 [quote name='Arun_S' date='13 March 2010 - 09:46 AM' timestamp='1268453294' post='105146'] Very cool. It has first evidence fo Agni-III SL Submarine Launched: The former is critical for Arihant's all stages of teh compact 2 m dia missile and , where as the latter for ABM booster motors. I think "low-density" is typo based obfuscation. [/quote] Typo it is not, unless you have something to comment! Indian Missile News And Discussion - Guest - 03-13-2010 [size="6"][url="http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/mar/13/india-likely-to-testfire-add-missile-on-sunday.htm"]India likely to testfire AAD missile on Sunday[/url][/size] With an eye to develop a full fledged multi-layer Ballistic Missile Defence system, India is likely to test-fire its indigenously designed and developed Advanced Air Defence missile from the Integrated Test Range off Orissa coast on Sunday. The AAD missile is capable of destroying any hostile ballistic missile at low altitude situation, defence sources said today. Range integration work at the ITR for the proposed trial is complete and the test is likely to be conducted tomorrow, they said. The target missile, a modified indigenously built 'Prithvi' posing as an enemy missile, would first be lifted off from a mobile launcher from the ITR at Chandipur-on-sea and the interceptor AAD missile using a radio frequency seeker on-board would be blasted off from Wheeler Island about 70 km across the sea from Chandipur. The missile would destroy the target in mid air over Bay of Bengal. The interception is to take place at low altitude, the sources added. The seven-meter-long ADD interceptor is a single stage solid rocket-propelled guided missile, equipped with an inertial navigation system, a hi-tech computer and an electro-mechanical activator totally under command by the data up linked from the sophisticated ground based radars to the interceptor, defence sources said. The interceptor missile has its own mobile launcher, secure data link for interception, independent tracking and homing capabilities and its own radars, they said. Balasore district administration have made arrangements to temporarily evacuate about 600 families from five hamlets residing within 2 km radius of launch pad-3 of the ITR at Chandipur to nearby shelter camps as a security measure, official sources said. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 03-14-2010 [quote name='ankit-s' date='13 March 2010 - 03:26 PM' timestamp='1268473695' post='105149'] Typo it is not, unless you have something to comment! [/quote] Pls enlighten the utility and application of said Low density fuel, rather than developing just high energy fuel. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Raj Malhotra - 03-14-2010 re Arun_S I think you would have noticed that some recent news reports have mentioned the range of Shaurya at around 1900km, which means that it reasonably good reach. Incidentally i have still not understood the rationale for its cruise missile profile. It cruises at height of 40km which means that it would be visible to ground radar from a few hundred kmm (around 700km) so what could be the benefit? Indian Missile News And Discussion - Guest - 03-14-2010 [quote name='Arun_S' date='14 March 2010 - 07:24 AM' timestamp='1268531179' post='105159'] Pls enlighten the utility and application of said Low density fuel, rather than developing just high energy fuel. [/quote] Its a higher specific impulse, more thrust albeit with tankage penality. But here also they are switching to composite case which in turn means weight reduction too. Arianeôs last stage uses low density LH2 fuel, Saturn-5 used the same on its upper stage, so is space shuttle. Not only that, just think why GSLV also uses low density fuel for its last stage. Quote:In many strategic systems, High density fuel may not be imperative for the last stage which has less to worry about gravitation drag than on a boost phase. The article is 8 days old as published (website), yet without any rectification/correction. If it were high density propellants, as is common - they would not be using an adjective preferably....... Indian Missile News And Discussion - Guest - 03-14-2010 [size="6"][url="http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=12531"]Technical snag delays missile shield test[/url][/size] The test-fire of the indigenous Advanced Air Defence (AAD) missile has been postponed. The AAD missile was to be test-fired today (March 14) from Chandipur in Orissa. It is now likely to be test-fired on Monday. Defence sources say that the AAD missile is capable of destroying any hostile ballistic missile. The missile shield is meant to protect major cities, nuclear power stations, space facilities and military installations. A target missile will first be lifted off a mobile launcher in Chandipur and the interceptor AAD missile will then be blasted off Wheeler Island about 70 km across away. The seven meter long rocket-propelled missile is expected to be deployed into defence system by 2016. |