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Indian Missile News And Discussion - sai_k - 03-27-2010 mmm.. this hindu opinion starts off so bravely and fizzles up in its inferences. Quote:Stopping ballistic missile Diplomacy is needed where it is needed. Increasing the probability of intercept is DRDO's work and greater the chance, the better is the security. What a discouraging inference to throw away the achievements, and point fingers at diplomacy alone! I wish such opinions don't make our larger minds. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 03-27-2010 [url="http://www.kalingatimes.com/odisha_news/news2010/20100327_Prithvi-II_Dhanush_missiles_test_fired_successfully.htm#"]Prithvi-II, Dhanush missiles test fired successfully[/url]: KalingaTimes Quote:[url="http://www.kalingatimes.com/odisha_news/news2010/20100327_Prithvi-II_Dhanush_missiles_test_fired_successfully.htm#"][/url] By Sibdas Kundu [url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-successfully-tests-N-capable-Prithvi-II-Dhanush-missiles/articleshow/5730413.cms"]India successfully tests N-capable Prithvi II, Dhanush missiles[/url] Quote:AGENCIES, Mar 27, 2010, 07.47am IST <a href="http://netspiderads2.indiatimes.com/ads.dll/clickthrough?slotid=36459" target="_blank"><img src="http://netspiderads2.indiatimes.com/ads.dll/photoserv?slotid=36459" border="0" width="660" height="65" alt="Advertisement"></a> BHUBANESWAR: India early Saturday successfully tested two nuclear capable missiles Dhanush and Prithvi II in Orissa, official said. [url="http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/orissa-nuclear-capable-missiles-successfully-test-fired-18508.php"]Orissa: Nuclear-capable missiles successfully test-fired[/url] Quote:[url="http://www.ndtv.com/news/search/results.php?cfeed=tw%3BSU%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.ndtv.com%3BLC%3A%23003399%3BVC%3A%23008000%3BDC%3A%23999999%3BTB%3A0%3BPBG%3A1%3BGP%3A0%3B%3BRBG%3A%23DCDCDC&hl=en&q=Press%20Trust%20of%20India&site=ndtv.com"]Press Trust of India[/url], Saturday March 27, 2010, Balasore, Orissa [url="http://www.ptinews.com/news/583688_-Dhanush--missile-test-fired"]Ship-based 'Dhanush' ballistic missile test fired[/url] Quote:Balasore(Orissa), Mar 27 (PTI) India today successfully test fired its ship-based ballistic missile 'Dhanush', with a range of 350 km, from a naval vessel off the Orissa coast. [url="http://www.ptinews.com/news/583686_Prithvi-II-ballistic-missile-test-fired"]'Prithvi-II' ballistic missile successfully test fired[/url] Quote:Balasore (Orissa), Mar 27 (PTI) 'Prithvi-II' ballistic missile, which has a maximum range of 295 km, was successfully test fired from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Chandipur, about 15 km from here, off the Orissa coast early today. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Guest - 03-27-2010 [quote name='sai_k' date='25 March 2010 - 08:20 AM' timestamp='1269484939' post='105435'] bravo opinion as well Astonishingly, BrahMos performed its intricate manoeuvres at 2.8 Mach, with its propulsion fully switched on during the whole course of its flight. (Normally, when a missile performs manoeuvres, its engines will not operate.) [/quote] Is this something significant and true ? I doubt that one can shut off and turn on a liquid fuel ramjet in flight. Plus it would be interesting to know at what altitude did brahmos did such intricate manoeuvres at M 2.8 , most likely at medium/high altitude. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Guest - 03-27-2010 I wonder why they keep testing Dhanush , with the advent of Shourya the liquid fuel and logistics/ship dependent Dhanush has been made redundant. Unless they are testing something else in the guise of Dhanush. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Guest - 03-27-2010 [quote name='sai_k' date='27 March 2010 - 05:04 AM' timestamp='1269646004' post='105473'] mmm.. this hindu opinion starts off so bravely and fizzles up in its inferences. Diplomacy is needed where it is needed. Increasing the probability of intercept is DRDO's work and greater the chance, the better is the security. What a discouraging inference to throw away the achievements, and point fingers at diplomacy alone! I wish such opinions don't make our larger minds. [/quote] Sai_K the problem with ABM system recognized globally is that it introduces insecurity and drives arms race , Pakistan for one now does not need any new good reason to increase the number of nuclear arsenal and develop effective but cheaper manouvering RV to counter Indian ABM. Unless we are looking at countering couple of Nuclear missile from Pakistan arsenal getting into hands of Al Quida or some rouge commander threatening India with couple of nuclear strike which is where the value of ABM will come into play. You would see in the new START treaty to be signed in April 8 at Prague , Russia had insisted and got what it terms as linking of ABM deployment and reduction in offensive system( or introducing new one ) , since developing of ABM system and increase in quantity and sophistication of offensive system go hand in hand. We will see and probably hear in coming days of increase in number of Nuclear warhead and developing of new missile with anti-ABM capability ( like Iran did viz a viz Israel ) Though development of ABM system is good from Indian security pov specially since this is an all out indigenous effort and cream of technology nation could develop it but an unfortunate consequences will be that it will drive and accelerate significantly the 3 way arms race between Pak-India-China further. Indian Missile News And Discussion - sai_k - 03-27-2010 Point taken Austin.. That is indeed diplomatic answer, but what lies in that posture is the weakness that projects our capability has long way to go (which may be true). In fact, lowering our power handle in dealing with our neighborhood. What I was saying is, while the diplomacy takes the outer shell of strategies, the inner core does need a lot of boost in terms of increasing our capability and maturing our ABM setup. You know what I mean,.. diplomacy will get more budget money than AADs or PADs, from public point of view. My view is, increased power and capability projection, increases more diplomacy trump card options. We can't stop nations doing best in their interests (ie, Anti India), especially China and Pakis taking a clear stand at us. The only way is getting to the near bullet proof situation. The very fact of "diplomacy only" projection leaves a large hole in the security preparedness, and indirectly a "diplomacy loophole". jmt. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 03-28-2010 March 28, 2010 15:35 IST | Updated: March 28, 2010 15:41 IST HYDERABAD, March 28, 2010March 28, 2010 15:35 IST | Updated: March 28, 2010 15:41 IST [url="http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/article318196.ece?css=print"]Agni-I test-fired successfully[/url] Quote:Y. Mallikarjun In the third consecutive success in two days, nuclear-capable surface-to-surface Agni-I ballistic missile with a range of 700 km was successfully flight-tested from the Wheelerââ¬â¢s Island off the Orissa coast on Sunday. [b] [url="http://sify.com/news/india-s-n-capable-agni-i-missile-makes-pin-point-hit-news-national-kd2sEbeijfj.html"]India's n-capable Agni-I missile makes pin-point hit[/url] [/b] 2010-03-28 18:40:00 Bhubaneswar, March 28 (IANS) To maintain its operational preparedness against external threats, India Sunday successfully test-fired its indigenously developed nuclear-capable surface-to-surface Agni-I missile that can strike a target 700 km away, officials said. The missile was tested by the Indian armed forces as part of user-trial from a facility on Wheeler Island near Dhamra in the district of Bhadrak, some 170 km from here. The firing of missile took place at 1.07 p.m. 'It was a fantastic launch,' director of the test range S.P. Dash told IANS. 'The practice fire was conducted on the directions of strategic command. The missile was armed with advanced navigation systems. [color="#9932cc"]It went up to 300 km in altitude[/color] before hitting the target,' a source in national capital said 'The two naval ships deployed near the target reported pin-point precision. It is not every day we fire missiles for practice.' The Agni-I has already been inducted into the armed forces. It is 15 metres tall and weighs 12 tonnes. It can carry nuclear payloads weighing up to one tonne. Developed under India's Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme, the missile was first tested in May 1989. India has also already inducted Agni-2 missile with a range of 2,500 km. According to sources, Agni-3 missile with a firing range of 3,500 km will be inducted soon whereas tests for Agni-5 missile with a firing range of 5,000 km will take place with a year. '[color="#9932cc"]There is no plan for going on for Agni-6 in near future. Because missiles over 5,000 km range fall under the category of intercontinental ballistic missiles, of which we do not feel any requirement yet[/color],' a top official said. The armed forces also successfully tested two nuclear-capable missiles, Dhanush and Prithvi-II, Saturday in Orissa. Indian Missile News And Discussion - vasu_ray - 03-29-2010 seems, the significance of higher altitude is higher closing speed or higher launch speed for the MaRV Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 03-29-2010 [url="http://www.kalingatimes.com/odisha_news/news2010/20100328_India_test-fires_nuclear-capable_Agni-I_missile.htm"]India test-fires nuclear-capable Agni-I missile[/url] KalingaTimes - Sibdas Kundu - ââ¬Å½7 hours agoââ¬Å½ Balasore (Odisha), March 28: India today successfully carried out the flight test of Agni-I, the home grown surface-to-surface missile at ... [url="http://www.orissadiary.com/Shownews.asp?id=17534"]India successfully tested Agni I missile from Orissa coast[/url] Orissadiary.com - ââ¬Å½9 hours agoââ¬Å½ Report by Karunakar Sahoo, Balasore: India successfully tested its nuclear capable surface-to-surface Agni I missile from Integrated Test Range (ITR) of ... [size="4"][color="blue"][url="http://www.thehindu.com/2010/03/29/stories/2010032961901100.htm"]Hat-trick for missile technologists, armed forces[/url][/color][/size] [url="http://www.thehindu.com/2010/03/29/stories/2010032961901100.htm"]29/03/2010 URL: http://www.thehindu....32961901100.htm[/url] Quote:Y. Mallikarjun [url="http://www.indianexpress.com/story-print/596800/"]Agni-1 successfully test-fired off Orissa coast[/url] Quote:Debabrata Mohanty Posted online: Monday , Mar 29, 2010 at 0141 hrs Bhubaneswar : India on Sunday successfully test-fired its indigenously developed, nuclear-capable, short range ballistic missile (SRBM) Agni-1 from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Wheeler Island on Bay of Bengal, about 70 km across the sea Chandipur-on-sea in Balasore district of Orissa. The test-firing was done by personnel of the Strategic Forces Command as part of Indian Armyââ¬â¢s user-training exercise at 1.07 pm from a mobile launcher. [url="http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_agni-1-joins-india-s-missile-armoury_1364639"] Agni-1 joins India's missile armoury [/url] Quote:Subhashish Mohanty / DNA Monday, March 29, 2010 0:13 IST onday, March 29, 2010 Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 03-29-2010 [url="http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100329/jsp/nation/story_12276223.jsp#"]Signal of strategic tests [/url] Quote:[left]New Delhi, March 28: The militaryââ¬â¢s Strategic Forces Command began exercising its missile regiments, test- firing the 700km-range Agni I today within a day of testing the 250km-range Prithvi II and the ship-launched Dhanush.[/left] Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 03-30-2010 [url="http://www.indianexpress.com/news/brahmosclearedforairforce/597443/0"]Ground launched Brahmos cleared for Air Force[/url] [b] [/b] Quote:[b][url="http://www.indianexpress.com/columnist/swarajthapa/"]Swaraj Thapa[/url] , [url="http://www.indianexpress.com/columnist/manu_pubby/"]Manu Pubby[/url] [/b] Indian Missile News And Discussion - sai_k - 04-01-2010 I am confused as to how IAF is going to put S2S missile to use? Would IAF version be sensor fused with inputs from an airborne platform to make it different from IA version? Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 04-01-2010 No; simply additional Block 2 Brahmos astra. Brahmos is a tactical missile. IAF needs Brahmos for its set of targets, just like IA needs for its tactical targets. For IAF it is mostly SEAD mission {Added later: to take out key communication nodes, hangers and buildings.} Indian Missile News And Discussion - ramana - 04-01-2010 To add to Arun_S' reply, there are two versions of Brahmos for IAF. The ground based one same as the Block II model of the IA and the airborne version which is still under development. The BlkII version will augment and the Prithvis in IAF inventory. Due to payload differences, it might be used to target c&c in TSP. Indian Missile News And Discussion - ravish - 04-05-2010 The following report of Jane's Defence Weekly may be of interest to members:- Quote The Indian Ministry of Defence has cleared a INR116 billion (USD2.57 billion) proposal to induct the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, developed jointly with Russia, into the Indian Air Force (IAF) to augment its firepower. Officials said the agreement with BrahMos Aerospace, inked during the week ending 26 March, also includes the development of a smaller version of the weapon for integration onto the IAF's Su-30MKI multirole fighters and equipping two additional army regiments with 240 BrahMos missiles. The missiles are reportedly costing the army around INR85 billion as Russia's NPO Mashinostroyeniya, which supplies India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) - its partner - with around 80 per cent of the missile's components, has more than doubled the cost of each unit from INR130 million to INR270 million. These components include the missile's liquid ramjet engine and seeker, which are series produced at a specially created facility at Hyderabad, southern India. Official sources said the IAF is initially expected to equip one squadron with the BrahMos Block II: the advanced version of the missile fitted with a terminal guidance system that renders it capable of striking specific targets in a clustered environment. Military planners said inducting the 8.4 m-long, air-breathing BrahMos - which weighs 3.9 tonnes and is capable of carrying a 250-300 kg conventional warhead to a range of 290 km - will allow the IAF to strike targets such as enemy radar installations without endangering its combat aircraft. Based on Russia's 3M55 Oniks/Yakhont system (NATO designation SS-N-26), the BrahMos is already in service with the Indian Army and deployed aboard Indian Navy warships. On 21 March the BrahMos, which flies at an optimum speed of Mach 2.8, successfully underwent its 22nd test-firing - the first from a vertical launcher - off India's east coast, validating its 360-degree targeting capability. In a related development, on 27 and 28 March the DRDO, alongside the army's Strategic Forces Command, successfully conducted back-to-back trials of a series of locally designed missiles, also off India's east coast. On 27 March a single-stage, liquid-fuelled Prithvi (Earth) II surface-to-surface missile (SSM) with a 290 km range was tested, along with a nuclear-capable Dhanush (Bow - its naval version capable of striking targets to a range of 350 km). DRDO officials said the missiles' indigenously developed advanced navigation and guidance systems provided a "high degree" of accuracy, meeting all "mission objectives with text-book precision". A day later a nuclear-capable Agni (Fire) 1 SSM with a strike range of 700 km was test-fired from a mobile launcher at the Integrated Test Range (ITR) on Wheeler's Island, eastern India. Weighing 12 tons, the single-stage, 15 m tall, solid-fuelled Agni 1 is capable of carrying a 1,000 kg warhead and has been specially developed to counter neighbouring nuclear rival Pakistan's range of missiles. The Agni and its longer-range variants - the Agni 2 (1,500-1,700 km range) and Agni 3 (more than 3,000 km range) - constitute India's credible, minimum nuclear deterrent. Unquote Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 04-16-2010 [url="http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2010/04/nirbhay-missile-taking-good-shape-says.html"]Nirbhay missile taking good shape: DRDO[/url] Quote:April 12, 2010[url="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5sP7XwykNSM/S8K3wGYtd5I/AAAAAAAAALk/DzcqbJPadik/s1600/tomahawk_launch.jpg"] [/url] Indiaââ¬â¢s Nirbhay sub-sonic missile, once operational, can draw parallel with the American Tomahawk missile (above), providing a long-range, highly survivable, unmanned strike capable with pinpoint accuracy. Indiaââ¬â¢s foray into developing a sub-sonic cruise missile is heading in the right direction. Christened Nirbhay ââ¬â this stealth beast -- claims to have a range of 1,000 kms.Delivering the key-note address the concluding day of Aeronautical Society of Indiaââ¬â¢s national convention on ââ¬ËThe frontiers of aeronautical technologiesââ¬â¢ in Bangalore, Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) chief and Scientific Advisor to Raksha Mantri Dr V.K. Saraswat, said that the missile could deliver a maximum of 24 types of warheads, if the mission demands so. Sources confirmed to tarmak007 that Nirbhay, built with ââ¬Ëa certain percentage of Israeli collaborationââ¬â¢ is fast advancing at Hyderabad-based Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL). ââ¬ÅOnce operational, Nirbhay (fearless) will arm three Services as it can be launched from multiple platforms on land. You will get to see it from close quarters during the 2011 Aero India,ââ¬Â sources added.It is learnt that the propulsion system design is through and the integration work has already begun for Nirbhay, which will be a technology demonstrator. The missile is said to be far better than Pakistanââ¬â¢s Babur. The latest in the series of India's missile development programme, Nirbhay has its predecessors in the Agni (I, II & III), the Prithvi (I & II) and the supersonic Brahmos.ââ¬ÅThe [color="#4169e1"]sub-sonic Nirbhay weighs 1,000 kg with a 1,000 km range and a speed of 0.7 mach. It is six metres in length with a 520 mm diameter[/color] and would use gyros for inertial navigation system,ââ¬Â the sources added, refusing to divulge much on the engine and the scheduled first flight. Nirbhay can draw parallel to the long-range American Tomahawk missiles ââ¬â in the limelight during the 1991 Gulf war. 1000 Kg missile mass make it amongst the smallest CM's. Also means its payload will be small, thus it must be designed for very accuracy. I wonder why it is called Nirbhay? It could be because: 1. It has capabilities that make it highly survivable? Thus Nirbhay of enemy defense. 2. It is tactical weapons and can be fired and used without any fear of nuclear escalation. Thus Nirbhay of free use in war without risk of escalation. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Raj Malhotra - 04-16-2010 [quote name='Arun_S' date='16 April 2010 - 03:09 AM' timestamp='1271367086' post='105923'] [url="http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2010/04/nirbhay-missile-taking-good-shape-says.html"]Nirbhay missile taking good shape: DRDO[/url] [b] 1000 Kg missile mass make it amongst the smallest CM's. Also means its payload will be small, thus it must be designed for very accuracy. I wonder why it is called Nirbhay? It could be because: 1. It has capabilities that make it highly survivable? Thus Nirbhay of enemy defense. 2. It is tactical weapons and can be fired and used without any fear of nuclear escalation. Thus Nirbhay of free use in war without risk of escalation. [/quote] 1000kg might be without booster, with booster it would be really really small missile Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 04-16-2010 Missiles are specified in terms of all up weight, so I would like to believe it is indeed smaller missile. Also note that its dia is small enough to be launched from various types of torpedo tubes. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Raj Malhotra - 04-17-2010 [quote name='Arun_S' date='16 April 2010 - 11:55 PM' timestamp='1271441840' post='105940'] Missiles are specified in terms of all up weight, so I would like to believe it is indeed smaller missile. Also note that its dia is small enough to be launched from various types of torpedo tubes. [/quote] Pls compare the weight with Storm shadow, Apache, scalp, Taurus, KEPD etc and with claimed weight of 1000 kg, thus for stated range weight is low because either the warhead is only in the range of around 250kg or range is less or something is amiss. i hope this is not a overeach by DRDO by trying to match the latest stealth missiles of USA In fact the above specifications of 520mm and 6m lenght are very close to tomhawk and strongly indicates that the weight is being stated for the core missile without booster. the booster will probably fashioned differently for different uses. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 04-18-2010 250Kg payload is the modern number for conventional as well as low/medium yield strategic warheads. The key is precision navigation and target acquistion; Multi sensor fusion built atop of Ring Laser Gyro based INS gives very high precision ( BrhMos-BlkII is just one of the example) and that hopefully drove the design for smaller craft. Tomahwak is an old/obsolte missile that IMHO is not worth emulating. Storn Shadow etc are good missiles to compare in building new missiles. IMHO the key technology in Nirbhay are two: 1. Very small turbo jet. 2. Precision navigation and sensor fusion. Very small turbo jet has been in development for a long time, and it is nothing like Lakshay engine. Small turbine engine technology has experienced quantum change in last 7 years, and Nirbhay should have leveraged it. |