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Islamism - 7 - Guest - 07-15-2007

<b>Newly released bin Laden video calls for martyrdom</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Bin Laden, with a body guard standing directly behind him, is looking down slightly in the video, appearing to address an audience below, which is unseen.

He says that the Prophet Mohammed wanted to be a martyr, and that is a worthy goal for every Muslim.

"So be alert, be wise and think. What is this status that the best of mankind wished for himself? He wished to be a martyr. He himself said, 'By him in whose hands my life is! I would love to attack and be martyred, then attack again and be martyred, then attack again and be martyred.'

"So this whole broad life is summarized by him who was inspired by God, the Lord of the heavens and earth, praised and exalted is he. This glorious prophet who was inspired by God summarized this entire life by these words. He wished upon himself this status. Happy is the one who was chosen by God as a martyr."
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Islamism - 7 - Guest - 07-15-2007

From the pen of 14th century muslim traveller Ibn Batutta comes to light all kinds of islamic facts -
<b>Reference they've given for the following is:</b> The Travels of Ibn Batutah - Edited by Tim Mackintosh -Smith Picador, pages 106, 111, 113, 137, 189, 163, 150, 105, 104, 115, 125, 157

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Social indicators in the Islamic kingdoms
The Travels of Ibn Battuta provides vital informations on various issues relating to society in his time.

<b>Widespread prevalence of Slavery especially the usage of women as Sex Slaves</b>
"The inhabitants of this city make no effort to stamp out immorality -indeed, the same applies to the whole population of these regions. They buy beautiful Greek slave girls and put them out to prostitution and each girl has to pay a regular due to her master ........I was told that the qadi in this city himself owns slave girls employed in this way.[3]
(Not much has changed. Islam still treats kafir women in kafir nations like this.)

"I bought in this city a Greek slave girl, a virgin, for forty gold dinars ".[4]

"I left it behind and set out with three of my companions, and a slave girl and two slave boys ".[5]

" and I had in my wagon three slave girls "[6]

"I had with me a slave girl, who was close to the time of her delivery, and I had intended to transp[ort her to Samarqand, so that she might have the child there."[7]

"Another reason for our halt was fear of the snow. For upon this road there is a mountain <b>called Hindukush, which means 'the slayer of the Indians 'because the slave boys and girls who are brought from the land of India die there in large numbers</b> as a result of the extreme cold and the great quantity of snow ".[8]
"On reaching Sind I followed this practice and bought horses, camels, white slaves and other goods.."".[9]

<b>Forced Conversions to Islam</b>
"And as for military commands, you know that the non Arabs were converted to Islam only at the point of the sword of the Arabs ".[10]
(What's that yelling? Oh, it's only the Indian communist hysterians cursing Ibn Batutta for having written his travelogue. Never mind them. They always howl when caught in their lies.)

<b>Destruction of the places of Worship of non Muslims</b>
"He also fights with the infidels continually and keeps them under siege. It was his father who captured the city of Bursa from the hands of the Greeks and his tomb is in its mosque, which was formerly a church of the Christians."[5]
"The site was formely occupied by a budhkhanah, that is an idol temple, and was converted into a mosque on the conquest of the city." (referring to Delhi).[11]
(More communist hysterians crying. Good - at least bloodshot eyes match with their Redness.)

<b>Status of Indian Muslims as compared to Arab and Turkish Muslims</b>
"The king of India, the Sultan Abu l Mujahid Muhammad Shah, makes a practice of honouring strangers and showing affection to them and singling them out for goverships or high dignities of state. The majority of his courtiers, palace officials, ministers of state, judges and relatives by marriage are foreigners, and he has issued a decree that foreigners are to be called in his country by the title of Aziz [honourable], so that this has become a proper name for them ".[12]
(Indian islamis wishing for mughalistan: you'll not be as special as other islamis; even in your own country.)

<b>Jaziyah</b>
"Most of the artisans there are Greek women, for in it there are many Greeks who are subject to the muslims and who pay dues to the sultan, including the Jaziyah " .[13]

<b>Jihad</b>
"He had war galleys with which he used to make raids on the environs of Constantinople the great and to seize prisoners and booty, then after spending it all in gifts and largesse he would go out again to the Jihad ".[14]

<b>Infidels</b>
"We lodged in the house of an old women, an infidel.".[15]

<b>Sexuality</b>
"He related also that the vagina of this Khatun has a conformation like a ring, and likewise all of those who are descendents of the woman mentioned. I never met, whether in the desert of Qifjaq or elsewhere, any person who said that he had seen a woman formed in this way, or heard tell of one other than this khatun -except, however that one of the inhabitants of China told me that in China there is a class of women with this conformation. But nothing like that ever came into my hands nor have I learned what truth there is in it."[16]

<b>Conduct of war and prisoners</b>
<b>"We carried the heads of the slain (infidels )</b> to the castle of Abu Bak har, which we reached about midnight, and suspended them from the wall ".[17]
(Like they're still doing with Buddhists in Thailand... Jihad is a holy islamic tradition, after all.)
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Islamism - 7 - Guest - 07-20-2007

The New Swimsuit Issue
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The demure suits, pioneered by two Muslim women on opposite sides of the globe, are like lightweight, loose, hooded wet suits and hide everything but the face, hands and feet. Australian retailer Aheda Zanetti, 38, says she was inspired to design her Burqini after watching young Muslim girls struggle to play netball in bulky layers. Her competitor, California microbiologist Shereen Sabet, 36, came up with her full-coverage Splashgear suits after searching in vain for Islam-appropriate scuba gear. The UV-resistant, stretchy swimsuits start at $90 and have found upwards of 6,000 buyers--most of them online--in locations as varied as Malaysia, South Africa, Mexico, Ireland and the U.S. "I'm a very small business with a product the whole world wants," says Zanetti.
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Islamism - 7 - Guest - 07-22-2007

Don't know where this goes. From Dhu's book link to Will Durant's Story of Civilization. This is not Vol II though, its link is just called The Story of Civilization and contains the chapters on India that preceed those in Vol II.

http://www.archive.org/details/storyofcivilizat035369mbp PDF

From p.563-565 of the pdf (p.459-461 of book/printed text) onwards:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In one day all this power and luxury were destroyed. Slowly the
conquering Moslems had made their way south; now the sultans of
Bijapur, Ahmadnagar, Golkonda and Bidar united their forces to reduce
this last stronghold of the native Hindu kings. Their combined armies

met Rama Raja's half-million men at Talikota; the superior numbers of
the attackers prevailed; <b>Rama Raja was captured and beheaded in the
sight of his followers, and these, losing courage, fled. Nearly a hundred
thousand of them were slain in the retreat, until all the streams were colored
with their blood.</b> The conquering troops plundered the wealthy capital,
and found the booty so abundant "that every private man in the allied
army became rich in gold, jewels, effects, tents, arms, horses and slaves."71
<b>For five months the plunder continued: the victors slaughtered the helpless
inhabitants in indiscriminate butchery, emptied the stores and shops,
smashed the temples and palaces, and labored at great pains to destroy
all the statuary and painting in the city; then they went through the
streets with flaming torches, and set fire to all that would burn.</b> When at
last they retired, Vijayanagar was as completely ruined <b>as if an earthquake
had visited it and had left not a stone upon a stone. It was a destruction
ferocious and absolute, typifying that terrible Moslem conquest
of India which had begun a thousand years before, and was now
complete.</b>


<b>VI. THE MOSLEM CONQUEST</b>
<i>The 'weakening of India Mahmud of Ghazni - The Sultanate of
Delhi - Its cultural asides - Its brutal policy - The lessson of
Indian history</i>

The Mohammedan Conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story
in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization
is a precarious thing, whose delicate complex of order and liberty,
culture and peace may at any time be overthrown by barbarians invading
from without or multiplying within. The Hindus had allowed their
strength to be wasted in internal division and war; they had adopted religions
like Buddhism and Jainism, which unnerved them for the tasks
of life; they had failed to organize their forces for the protection of their
frontiers and their capitals, their wealth and their freedom, from the
hordes of Scythians, Huns, Afghans and Turks hovering about India's
boundaries and waiting for national weakness to let them in. For four
hundred years (600-1000 A.D.) India invited conquest; and at last it came.
The first Moslem attack was a passing raid upon Multan, in the western
Punjab (664 A.D.) Similar raids occurred at the convenience of the invaders
during the next three centuries, with the result that the Moslems

established themselves in the Indus valley about the same time that
their Arab co-religionists in the West were fighting the battle of Tours
(732 A.D.) for the mastery of Europe. But the real Moslem conquest of
India did not come till the turn of the first millennium after Christ.

In the year 997 a Turkish chieftain by the name of Mahmud became
sultan of the little state of Ghazni, in eastern Afghanistan. Mahmud knew
that his throne was young and poor, and saw that India, across the border,
was old and rich; the conclusion was obvious. Pretending a holy zeal for
destroying Hindu idolatry, he swept across the frontier with a force inspired
by a pious aspiration for booty. <b>He met the unprepared Hindus
at Bhimnagar, slaughtered them, pillaged their cities, destroyed their temples,
and carried away the accumulated treasures of centuries.</b> Returning
to Ghazni he astonished the ambassadors of foreign powers by displaying
"jewels and unbored pearls and rubies shining like sparks, or like wine
congealed with ice, and emeralds like fresh sprigs of myrtle, and diamonds
in size and weight like pomegranates."73 <b>Each winter Mahmud descended
into India, filled his treasure chest with spoils, and amused his men with
full freedom to pillage and kill;</b> each spring he returned to his capital
richer than before. At <b>Mathura (on the Jumna)</b> he took from the temple
its statues of gold encrusted with precious stones, and emptied its coffers
of a vast quantity of gold, silver and jewelry; <b>he expressed his admiration
for the architecture of the great shrine, judged that its duplication would
cost one hundred million dinars and the labor of two hundred years, and
then ordered it to be soaked with naphtha and burnt to the ground.</b>73
Six years later he sacked another opulent city of northern India, <b>Somnath,
killed all its fifty thousand inhabitants,</b> and dragged its wealth to Ghazni.
In the end he became, perhaps, the richest king that history has ever
known. <b>Sometimes he spared the population of the ravaged cities, and
took them home to be sold as slaves; but so great was the number of such
captives that after some years no one could be found to offer more than
a few shillings for a slave.</b> Before every important engagement Mahmud
knelt in prayer, and asked the blessing of God upon his arms. He reigned
for a third of a century; and when he died, full of years and honors,
Moslem historians ranked him as the greatest monarch of his time, and
one of the greatest sovereigns of any age.74
Seeing the canonization that success had brought to this magnificent
thief, other Moslem rulers profited by his example, though none succeeded
in bettering his instruction. In 1186 the Ghuri, a Turkish tribe of Afghan-

istan, invaded India, captured the city of Delhi, destroyed its temples,
confiscated its wealth, and settled down in its palaces to establish the
Sultanate of Delhi--an alien despotism fastened upon northern India for
three centuries, and checked only by assassination and revolt. <b>The first
of these bloody sultans, Kutb-d Din Aibak, was a normal specimen of
his kind--fanatical, ferocious and merciless. His gifts, as the Mohammedan
historian tells us, "were bestowed by hundreds of thousands, and his
slaughters likewise were by hundreds of thousands." In one victory of
this warrior (who had been purchased as a slave), "fifty thousand men
came under the collar of slavery, and the plain became black as pitch with
Hindus."</b>75 Another sultan, Balban, punished rebels and brigands by casting
them under the feet of elephants, or removing their skins, stuffing
these with straw, and hanging them from the gates of Delhi. When some
Mongol inhabitants who had settled in Delhi, and had been converted to
Islam, attempted a rising, Sultan Alau-d-din (the conqucrer of Chitor)
had all the males from fifteen to thirty thousand of them slaughtered
in one day. Sultan Muhammad bin Tughlak acquired the throne by
murdering his father, became a great scholar and an elegant writer,
dabbled in mathematics, physics and Greek philosophy, surpassed his
predecessors in bloodshed and brutality, fed the flesh of a rebel nephew
to the rebel's wife and children, ruined the country with reckless inflation,
<b>and laid it waste with pillage and murder till the inhabitants fled to
the jungle. He killed so many Hindus that, in the words of a Moslem
historian, "there was constantly in front of his royal pavilion and his Civil
Court a mound of dead bodies and a heap of corpses, while the sweepers
and executioners were wearied out by their work of dragging" the victims
"and putting them to death in crowds."</b>70 In order to found a new
capital at Daulatabad he drove every inhabitant from Delhi and left it a
desert; and hearing that a blind man had stayed behind in Delhi, he ordered
him to be dragged from the old to the new capital, so that only a leg
remained of the wretch when his last journey was finished.77 The Sultan
complained that the people did not love him, or recognize his undeviating
justice. He ruled India for a quarter of a century, and died in bed. His
successor, <b>Firoz Shah, invaded Bengal, offered a reward for every Hindu
head, paid for 180,000 of them, raided Hindu villages for slaves, and
died at the ripe age of eighty. Sultan Ahmad Shah feasted for three days
whenever the number of defenseless Hindus slain in his territories in one
day reached twenty thousand.</b>78<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Short clips of some of islamic record in India. Religion of peace. Same as today, same as ever.


Islamism - 7 - Guest - 07-22-2007

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Sharia Laws churn out tyrants</b>

After the meeting of the <b>All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB),
its spokesperson Kamal Farooqi sought to review and roll back some
Supreme Court judgments regarding progressively enhanced safeguards
for women in cases of divorce, marriage and maintenance on the ground
that these are conflicting to the Islamic law. He also told that the
Board will go to Muslims and encourage them to approach Sharia courts
or Darul Raza for matters relating to inheritance, marriage and
divorce, rather than going for litigation directly.</b>

In this write-up, I will confine myself to the Sharia aspect only,
though Islamic jehad, too, is directly related with it. Sharia today
is one of the most troublesome aspects of Islam, wherever the Muslims
are in majority or minority.

In Canada, the Government succumbed to the pressure of demands in a
province for legal cover to Muslims in settling their disputes under
the Sharia Law. But one founding member of the Voice of Canada for
progressive Muslims, Tarik Fatah, and his group opposed it. He told a
Pakistani newspaper in a telephonic interview that behind the guise of
religious tolerance and accommodation, Muslims are facing
discriminatory ghettoisation and marginalisation. He described it as a
Christmas gift for Muslims of Iran and Saudi Arabia who would be
rejoicing this decision and using it to validate their oppressive
Government.

Muslims in Western Europe are always insisting on their dress code and
many other aspects of the Sharia, including rejection of dresses for
school-going children. The Sharia has been their rallying point.
Recent organised violence by Muslims in Britain has been found having
Pakistani connection.

The recent events of Glasgow have brought forth an Indian connection
too. It has broken the myth that the educated Muslim is not
susceptible to the Sharia. The Lal Masjid episode was born out of a
Sharia mindset. They captured and detained police personnel, attacked
music shops, raided beauty parlours alleging that brothels are being
runt there and captured seven Chinese women. They are against
male/female mixed sport events, declaring it unislamic. Lal Masjid had
6,000 students breeding Sharia mindsets along with thousands of
madarsas in various parts of the country.

The Sharia mindset was bestowed on Muslims through the Quran 14
centuries ago. The society has undergone a series of changes since
then. In fact, the world has seen dozens of revolutions. It has
evolved a lot.

During this period, the concepts of democracy, secularism, freedom and
liberty have played a meaningful role in changing society. But the
Sharia mindset largely remained static with minimal change. Hard-line
Islamists in their own extreme interpretation are sticking to it.

Look at Bangladesh. It had the opportunity to change to modernity when
it got independence. The horrendous genocide inflicted by Pakistan,
killing three million people, was a sufficient enough jolt to be
utilised by Bangladesh for establishing secular democracy. But it
relapsed to fundamentalism just within half-a-decade. Both former
Prime Ministers Begum Zia and Sheikh Hasina are at the mercy of
fundamentalists' support.

Scheduled elections did not take place and military supported
President came to power. Today, Bangladesh is the second strongest
base of Sharia dictated jehadis.

The biggest Islamic country, Indonesia had a fair image for its
democracy. It is now backsliding into middle ages practices of public
lashing, limiting women's right for free movement and chopping off
hands. Such punishing methods do not make society better but worse.
Sharia mentality has started growing in Malaysia also. While Saudi
Arabia and Iran are totally Islamic States, interpretations apart, the
Quran is virtually their constitution.

Though Saudi Arabia comes down heavily on extremism but it is for the
safety of Sheikhdom and not for any other purpose. Egypt, Turkey and
Jordan are comparatively liberal but, they too are opposed by
fundamentalists of their own countries. In Kurdistan thousands of
women were killed under the guise of honour killing. In Pakistan, in
the eyes of law, two women witnesses are considered equal to one male
witness. The Nigerian constitution says that they are Nigerians first
and Muslims or Christians thereafter.

But many fanatic northern Nigerians insist that they are Muslims first
and Nigerians thereafter. They have called upon either to accept
Sharia or leave it. Male students are required to sit in the front and
female students at the back.

Insistence on Sharia, a worldwide phenomenon, makes Muslim community
troublesome and where they are in majority, they are tyrants.
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Islamism - 7 - Guest - 07-22-2007

(1) <i>Peacekeeping</i> force of Religion of peace abused girls in Ivory Coast and UN has suspended them.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070721/wl_nm/...ast_un_abuse_dc
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>U.N. suspends Moroccan contingent in Ivory Coast</b>

By Peter Murphy Sat Jul 21, 4:50 PM ET

ABIDJAN (Reuters) - The United Nations has suspended a Moroccan military contingent from its peacekeeping mission in Ivory Coast while it investigates allegations of widespread sexual abuse, the world body said on Saturday.

Soldiers from the 734-strong battalion are alleged to have sexually abused large numbers of girls as young as 13 over a three-year period as units rotated through the West African country, U.N. officials said.

A statement from the world body said the entire battalion had been suspended pending an investigation and confined to their barracks in Bouake, the main city in the northern half of the country controlled by rebels since a 2002-2003 civil war.

One U.N. source in Abidjan who spoke on condition of anonymity told Reuters the girls had sought sex with the peacekeepers for money and some had since had children by them.

"They offered themselves for sexual favors to the Moroccans. This has been going on for a while. I think one of the babies is already over a year old. One of the girls is pregnant now but she was still offering her services," the source said.

Spokesman for the U.N. mission in Ivory Coast (ONUCI), Hamadoun Toure, said the allegations had come to light after the mission ran a campaign against sexual exploitation in which it asked local people to inform it about abuses.

It then sent a team to carry out interviews and gather information after locals began to make complaints.

"(The suspension) means they don't participate in our operations," he said. "Those who are found guilty will be sent back home."

ZERO TOLERANCE

The Ivory Coast mission numbers just over 9,000 uniformed personnel from more than 40 countries. <b>Moroccans make up the bulk of the force in Bouake with some Bangladeshi police, Pakistani engineers and Ghanaian medical personnel.</b>

The peacekeepers, backed by troops from former colonial power France, are in the world's top cocoa grower to support a peace process that was revived in March by an agreement between President Laurent Gbagbo and rebel leader Guillaume Soro.

Over the last few years as peacekeeping has expanded, reports of abuse have mounted in various African nations, especially the Democratic Republic of the Congo, despite the "zero-tolerance" policy declared by the United Nations.

All U.N. Blue Helmets are banned from having sexual relations with locals and those serving in Ivory Coast attend training seminars on its code of conduct for peacekeepers.

Local residents in Bouake said they were unaware of the accusations against the Moroccan contingent or their suspension.

The U.N. mission has generally been well-accepted in the rebel-held north but civilian and military staff working in the government south have occasionally been attacked or obstructed in their work by youths loyal to President Gbagbo.

<b>The United Nations ignored sexual exploitation by peacekeepers and other field staff for decades, launching a crackdown only in recent years after reports of abuse in Congo.</b>

A 2005 U.N. report said soldiers should be punished for any abuse, their pay docked and a fund set up to assist any women and girls they impregnated. But member nations have not agreed.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
(2) Over 20 <i>christian</i> Koreans and 2 German soldiers kidnapped by Afghani islamis. Islamis claimed they'd killed the Germans. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070722/ap_on_...6JGaJwALgH9xg8F
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Fate of Taliban hostages in dispute</b>
By JASON STRAZIUSO, Associated Press Writer 57 minutes ago

A purported Taliban spokesman said Saturday that the Islamic militia had killed two German hostages, a claim disputed by both Afghanistan and Germany. He also offered to trade 23 captive South Koreans for imprisoned Taliban fighters.

The militant spokesman offered no proof of his claim on the kidnapped Germans. Afghan officials said one of the Germans appeared to have died from a heart attack, while the other was still alive.

"Everything indicates he was a victim of the stress of the kidnapping," German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said in Berlin.

Despite the competing claims, the separate seizures of the foreigners in southern provinces were vivid illustrations of the lack of government control over the region.

Qari Yousuf Ahmadi, who claims to speak for the Taliban, said the Afghan and South Korean governments had until Sunday evening to agree to release 23 Taliban militants or the Korean hostages would be killed.

"If the government of Afghanistan and the government of Korea are asking for the release of their hostages, then we believe the Taliban also have the right to ask for the release of their prisoners who are spending time in Afghan jails," Ahmadi told The Associated Press by satellite phone from an undisclosed location.

It is not clear that Afghanistan would agree to such a deal. In March, President Hamid Karzai authorized the release of five Taliban prisoners in exchange for a kidnapped Italian reporter, but he called the trade a one-time deal. Karzai was also criticized by the United States and European nations who felt that trade would encourage more kidnappings.

Ahmadi claimed the Germans and five Afghans kidnapped along with them were shot to death because Germany did not withdraw its 3,000 troops from Afghanistan as demanded by the Taliban. The seven were kidnapped Wednesday in the southern province of Wardak while working on a dam project.

The Afghan government said it had information to the contrary.

"The information that we and our security forces have is that one of these two who were kidnapped died of a heart attack," Foreign Ministry spokesman Sultan Ahmad Baheen said. "The second hostage is alive, and we hope that he will be released soon, and we are trying our best to get him released."

He did not reveal the source of the information or say anything about the Afghan hostages.

The South Koreans were kidnapped at gunpoint from a bus Thursday in Ghazni province as they traveled on the main highway from Kabul to the southern city of Kandahar. It was the largest-scale abduction of foreigners since the fall of the Taliban regime in 2001.

The Taliban roam freely through large swaths of southern Afghanistan. The South Koreans' bus was stopped on Highway 1, a road known to be risky, particularly Ghazni and Zabul provinces where the government has little control.

<b>Ahmadi initially said there were 18 South Korean hostages, but later revised the figure to 23, saying several Koreans spoke Dari and Pashtu and had been mistaken for Afghans.</b> Ahmadi also initially said the kidnapped Koreans, including 18 women, would be killed Saturday if South Korea didn't withdraw its 200 troops. Late Saturday he changed that demand.
(Note Korea's 200 soldiers are not those who are kidnapped.)

South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun urged the Taliban to "send our people home quickly and safely." Roh also spoke with Karzai and asked for his cooperation to quickly win the hostages' release.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, himself a South Korean, also called Karzai and expressed "grave concern" over the abductions.

<b>It was unclear what the Koreans were doing in Afghanistan. The Yonhap news agency reported that most were members of the Saemmul Community Church in Bundang, just south of Seoul. A year ago, hundreds of South Korean Christians were ordered to leave Afghanistan amid rumors they were proselytizing in the deeply conservative Islamic nation.</b>
(Christos: illegal presence as always.)

Ahmadi warned the Afghan government and U.S. and NATO forces not to try to rescue the hostages or they would be killed.

"We have surrounded the area but are working very carefully. We don't want them to be killed," said Ali Shah Ahmadzai, the provincial police chief in Ghazni.

German Foreign Ministry spokesman Martin Jeager, meanwhile, said a crisis team was pursuing "every clue" and was in close contact with the Afghan government.

Germany has 3,000 soldiers in NATO's International Security Assistance Force who are stationed in the mostly peaceful northern part of Afghanistan. South Korea's 200 soldiers in the U.S.-led coalition largely work on humanitarian projects, such as medical assistance and reconstruction.

<b>In South Korea, family members of kidnapped victims urged the government to accept Taliban trade, noting Seoul had already decided to bring its soldiers home this year. </b>

"We hope that the immediate withdrawal (of troops) is made," Cha Sung-min, a relative of one of the hostages, told reporters.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Islamism - 7 - Guest - 08-02-2007

Muslims versus christians
“ O my little son, thou has no understanding. Verily he was right, and he was prompted to a worthy work. For he beheld Syria to be a country that had long been occupied by the Christians, and he noted there are beautiful churches still belonging to them, so enchantingly fair, and so renowned for their splendour, as are the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and the churches of Lydda and Edessa. So he sought to build for the Muslims a mosque that should be unique and a wonder to the world. And in like manner is it not evident that Caliph Abd al-Malik, seeing the greatness of the martyrium of the Holy Sepulchre and its magnificence was moved lest it should dazzle the minds of Muslims and hence erected above the Rock the dome which is now seen there. ”
—Shams al-Din al-Maqdisi, Ahsan al-Taqasim fi Mar'rifat al-Aqalim, 2nd ed. (Leiden, 1967) pp. 159-171

“ In a well-known passage of his Book of Geography,[8] al-Maqdisi tells us how his uncle excused Abd al-Malik and Al-Walid I for spending so much good Muslims money on buildings: They intended to remove the fitna, the 'annoyance,' constituted by the existence of the many fine buildings of worship of other religions. The very form of a rotunda, given to the Qubbat as-Sakhra, although it was foreign to Islam, was destined to rival the many Christian domes. The inscriptions decorating the interior clearly display a spirit of polemic against Christianity, while stressing at the same time the Koranic doctrine that Jesus Christ was a true prophet. The formula la sharika lahu 'God has no companion' is repeated five times, the verses from sura Maryam 16:34-37, which strongly deny Jesus' sonship to God, are quoted together with the remarkable prayer:
Allahumma salli (with ya; read salli without ya) ala rasulika wa'abdika 'Isa bin Maryam - "In the name of the One God (Allah) Pray for your Prophet and Servant Jesus son of Mary".

All this shows that rivalry with Christendom, together with the spirit of Islamic mission to the Christians, was at the work at the creation of the famous Dome.
”
—Shlomo Dov Goitein, The Historication background of the erection of the Dome of the Rock, Journal of American Oriental Society, Vol. 70, No. 2, 1950.




Islamism - 7 - Guest - 08-06-2007

<b>Qaida video warns of terror attacks against India</b>

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->DUBAI: The Al-Qaida warned in a new video on Sunday that India and US diplomatic missions were the terror network's "legitimate targets."

In the footage compiled by Al-Qaida's production arm As-Sahab, an unnamed narrator said that <b>"the targeting of Tel Aviv, Moscow and Delhi" is also "our legitimate right" and accused India of "killing more than 100,000 Muslims in Kashmir with US blessing</b>."
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Islamism - 7 - Guest - 08-08-2007

<b>Details Revealed On Your Black Muslim Bakery</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Today police outlined the charges the men will face. 19-year-old Devaughndre Broussard, a handyman for the Black Muslim Bakery, will be charged with the murder of Chauncey Bailey.

Dep. Chief Howard Jordan, Oakland Police "He was upset about Chauncey Bailey's plan to reveal financial shortfalls of the bakery."
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Today they had showed how well trained these people are. They just don't care other human.

Check video, third on right side where men are in queue

This is scary and this is happening in US and in Bay Area.


Islamism - 7 - Guest - 08-13-2007

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<b> Saudis stoke South Asian fears</b>

According to reports, the Saudi Arabian Embassy in New Delhi is pushing - somewhat tentatively - India's Human Resource Development Ministry and Minorities Commission to set up new madrassas (seminaries) in India. The same reports claim the Saudi royal family has cleared plans to construct 4,500 madrassas in India, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka at a cost of US$35 million, to promote "modern and liberal education with Islamic values". 
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Thank you Moron Singh and Gadhi parivar.


Islamism - 7 - Guest - 08-13-2007

<b>Man dies of fright in Saudi vice police custody: report </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->RIYADH (AFP) - A Bangladeshi man died of fright after being arrested by Saudi Arabia's controversial religious police for washing a car instead of praying, a local newspaper reported on Sunday.
 
The unnamed man died last week in the holy city of Medina after being detained by members of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, Al-Jazirah reported.
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The English-language daily Arab News reported last week that a Nigerian convert to Islam was jailed in Riyadh after he helped a sick 63-year-old woman and was then accused by the religious police of immoral behaviour.

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Islamism - 7 - Guest - 08-15-2007

<b>The Legal Jihad Is Already Underway</b>


Islamism - 7 - Guest - 08-16-2007

<b>Ban Koran like Mein Kampf, says Dutch MP</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Koran should be banned as a “fascist book” alongside Mein Kampf because it urges Muslims to kill non-believers, says Dutch populist MP Geert Wilders.

The leader of the far-right Freedom Party, which holds nine of the Dutch parliament's 150 seats has called for the ban after an alleged Islam inspired attack on a Labour councillor who had renounced the Muslim faith.

Mr Wilders claims that the Koran “calls on Muslims to oppress, persecute or kill Christians, Jews, dissidents and non-believers, to beat and rape women and to establish an Islamic state by force”.

advertisement"Ban this wretched book like Mein Kampf is banned!,” he wrote in yesterday's De Volkskrant newspaper.
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Islamism - 7 - Shambhu - 08-16-2007

..and now he washes his hands and feet in purificaton. He checks his .303 again. He fumbles with his shoelaces, his eyes glazed over with visions of the six dozen beloved. Finally, with an Allah-hu-Akbar, he walks off into the night.

Theo Van Gogh will soon have company...


Islamism - 7 - Guest - 08-16-2007

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Theo Van Gogh will soon have company...
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That is very good! Like a Fredrick Forsyth novel. May you get more inspired! Give us a chapter!


Islamism - 7 - Shambhu - 08-16-2007

Well, just for fun, here is the story of the creation of the new Muslim, Mohamed Na'kist. This is a true story, hands on the Bible.



The small musty room was filled with anger and passion. Bilal Qasim's roar drowned out the rather loud moan of the wind outside; the regular pitter-patter of hail on the roof of the shack could not be heard either. "Why", asked Bilal with blood in his eyes, "why do you believe in that silly story? How can Almighty God have a son? This is absurd".

"But I do not believe in any religion.." Gunter Nyquist replied sheepishly. "Then why do you have a Christian name?" demanded Bilal, thumping the squeaky table recently aquired from the newly renovated Bakery down the road that had laid its old tables out near the garbage bin. "Why?"

"What can I do? That is the way it is! What kind of name do you expect me to have?" asked Gunter, his blue eyes starting to water.

"Now we are getting somewhere! Fill the empty space in your heart, brother. You have not been born a Muslim, but you do not have to die a Kaafir! Bismillah! Join me. Join us. Join the religion that Almighty God Himself has sent to us through his last Prophet, peace be upon him."

This went on for three weeks. Gunter's mornings were filled with visits from Bilal, his evenings with visits to the Jaallenpinschen Mosque. Imams were met, sermons were internalized, hands were shaken, and slowly, quietly, the absolute reality of the Reward took firm hold of Gunter's fevered brain.

A week later, Bilal came in a bit later than normal. After a long lunch, Bilal reached into his leather bag and pulled something out. "To help you", he said. "Read this..." he intoned, very solemnly displaying a newspaper clipping....


Islamism - 7 - Guest - 08-16-2007

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Islamism - 7 - ramana - 08-16-2007

One way to look at the issue is that Pauline Christianity and Muhammedan Islamism are two ways of Judaizing the world to create a new world order.


Islamism - 7 - acharya - 08-16-2007

Islamism and Islam can be considered as Judaic heresy .
Similarily Pauline Christianity can be considered to be another form of Judaic heresy.

The competition and struggle between these two heresy is bring the world in conflict
and converting the rest of the world into these Abrahamic world.

Is this the world heading to?


Islamism - 7 - ramana - 08-16-2007

Actually they are two paths to the Abrahamic World view. They might compete but the end result will be an Abrahamized world.

Then what is the Abrahamized world? A world of monotheism and a doctrine of obediance to the 'law'.

Also
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I dont know how many Indians understand this but this is profound.

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The West, the successors of Pauline Christianity, have decided to take back the lands of the Asiatic Church. Will take two to three hundred years but will happen. Could happene sooner.

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