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BJP Future - 4 - Guest - 03-06-2006
If things are as they are now, BJP will return to power at the center with no major issues. It does not need issues. All it needs for BJP to return to power is make sure muslims in UP doesn't flock back to Congress and I think the circumstances and compulsions are making it impossible for Congress to gain any Muslim votes in UP. Mulayam is doing a great job in that respect.
The only worst thing that happened for BJP in the last few days was Assam. AGP aligning with Left will make it easy for congress to return back to power. BJP cannot win the assembly on it's own in an almost BD muslim dominated state. This is the most sadest news of 2006.
BJP Future - 4 - Guest - 03-06-2006
Time for Narendra Modi (Nicolas Sarkozy of India) to move to central leadership. He ought to be next prime minister of India.
BJP needs to bring in more assertive leadership. Rajnath Singh is too goody goody kind of leader, can become cultural minister.
With Jihadists, Maoists, Commists, Evangelist, Secularists, Dravidists making mince meat of Hindus, it is matter of time, before a political Tsunami hits India.
In spite of big talks of Nukes/Super power, the fact is that terrorism (Maosist attacks, blasts) , corruption (Bofors/Scorpene/Bribes), infrastructure problems (power, public health, water supply..) and politician/police/legal/criminal (Jessica & others) nexus is becoming too much for general public. Let us hope that a big wave cleanse away all the political filth of India by next election.
BJP Future - 4 - Bhootnath - 03-06-2006
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BJP cannot win the assembly on it's own in an almost BD muslim dominated state. This is the most sadest news of 2006.
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Mupalla ....
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BJP Future - 4 - Guest - 03-06-2006
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Sometimes he say, he is Atheist.
BJP Future - 4 - Bharatvarsh - 03-06-2006
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One does not need to be Jain to be anti Hindu, there are plenty of born Hindus who are anti Hindu (infact they make up the majority of Hindu haters) and conversely Sandhya and Meenakshi Jain and their father Girilal Jain were pro Hindu even though they were Jain.
BJP Future - 4 - Guest - 03-07-2006
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What to do about this:Congress-BJP Alliance Needed
The current political situation in India, particularly at the center is constantly rattled by the opposition of Left parties on pretty much every step the Congress party is initiating. Ironically, the coalition government is supported by the Left parties and wants to continue supporting until the next elections despite deep differences. May be they are just creating noises and nothing more than that. If this is true, then, Congress need to take bold measures and continue the path of reforms. On the other hand, if Left is honestly and intentionally stone-walling reforms, then, it is high time for Congress to re-work its alliance with the Left in the best interests of the nation which is craving for faster economic development.
If Congress moves forward with the various pending reforms and if Left wants to break ties with the Congress, then, elections will become inevitable. However, given the current general public mood, it is highly unlikely that one single party will attain a majority. So, the only like-minded reformist party is BJP which can partner with Congress to carry out bold reforms needed. The only core difference with BJP and Congress is regarding BJP's allegiance to Hindutva which is in no way detrimental to the economic development or moving forward the reforms. If both parties can agree to live with this difference, but co-operate on other issues, I guess, one can see rapid development in every sphere of the economy.
Something to keep in mind is that, it was BJP led NDA that kicked off massive public infrastructure spending that triggered greater than 7% growth and it was BJP led NDA alliance which created a stronger foundation for closer friendship with the U.S.
India now needs sustained growth of about 10% for another 10 years to attain reasonable standard of living for all and to bring poverty levels to less than 10%. With continued Left partyâs opposition, Prime Minister Man Mohan Singh's hands are tied and Congress desperately needs political help.
My call to the leaders of both BJP and Congress is not to waste any more time in pity politics and instead, create a powerful alliance for making India an economic powerhouse in the 21st century.
BJP Future - 4 - Guest - 03-07-2006
That's what RSS advocated. I think things will get worse before thay get better. There could be a possibility of a nationalisitc alliance headed by strong headed leader. Sensible leaders from cong should get away from corrupt practices and may ally with honest leaders from BJP. There should be two groups nationalisitic and anti-nationals.
Politicians must realize that when Tsunami hits it doesn't give warning. If they don't do something now, people will take things in their own hands and then they may not even get time to run. Jessica, corruption, daily unbearable grind of common people while netas frolic shamelessly in 5 star hotels, 1000s of crores are siphoned off by degraded politicians, infrastructure reels while babus and netas struts about in ac cars funded by public money...this cannot go on for ever..........
All adharmis and adharma need to end.............
as Krishna said
'PAritranaya cha Sadhunam, Vinashkaya cha dsuhkritam
dharma sansthapnarthaya sambhavami yuge yuge'..
BJP Future - 4 - Guest - 03-07-2006
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Is that why he is anti-Hindu?
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Sanghvi surname is usually used by Jains in Gujarat. And I am pretty sure this fellow is both anti-jain and anti-hindu. And I am sure the guys takes pride in that. I vaguely remember reading an article from him making fun of ahimsa and vegetarianism in Jainism.
BJP Future - 4 - Guest - 03-07-2006
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<i>Hindutva II 20 yrs after Shah Bano, united saffron front prepares to take on UPAs blatant minority appeasement </i>
MANINI CHATTERJEE
Posted online: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 0157 hours IST
NEW DELHI, MARCH 6: As their backbenchers vociferously shouted slogans to counter the entire non-NDA contingents demand for the resignation of Narendra Modi, top BJP leaders exuded a quiet sense of glee. They had more than one reason.
Their calculation: the Justice Banerjee Committee report that calls the Sabarmati Express attack an accident together with a series of blatant minority appeasement measures by the UPA government could well provide the ideal environment for the revival of Hindutva, 20 years after it burst forth on the Indian political scene.
Linking the Banerjee report to pure votebank politics, BJP deputy leader in the Lok Sabha V K Malhotra said: The Banerjee report being made public when the Supreme Court is monitoring the probe and Nanavati-Shah Commission is investigating the matter shows the race for minority votes, particularly in the wake of large scale protests by Muslims against the Bush visit.
That race was only too visible in the Lok Sabha today when members of the BSP, SP, RJD, Congress and Leftseldom on the same side of the fence these daysvied with one another to demand the tabling of the report and Modis resignation.
The BJP stood more or less isolated in the House. Only Shiv Sena MPs joined them to protest against Justice Banerjees conclusion that the Godhra fire had been an accident.
But it is an isolation that BJP leaders, guided by L K Advani, are beginning to relish. There is, they admit, a delicious sense of deja vu. In 1986, the Rajiv Gandhi governments decision to overturn the Shah Bano verdict provided the spark to the BJPs campaign against pseudo secularism.
The party leadership managed to convince large numbers of middle-class Indians that the Congress was unjust to Hindus and pampered obscurantist minority sentiments only to garner votes. The success of the p movement that propelled BJP to centre-stage was built on the anti pseudo secular campaign.
Compared to the Shah Bano spark in 1986, the UPA government has lit a veritable prairie fire of minority appeasement, BJP leaders claim. In closed-door meetings, Advani has been telling his colleagues that they must seize the moment just as he did in the late 1980s.
<b>The UPA governments record of minorityism, Advani & co. feel, is far worse than that of Rajiv Gandhis. The five per cent job reservation quota for Muslims by the Andhra Pradesh government, the decision to bring an ordinance to grant minority status to Aligarh Muslim University, the stated intention to overturn the Supreme Court order on the IMDT Act, the formation of a Ministry for Minority Affairs for the first time since Independence, and the setting up of the Rajinder Sachar committee to do a headcount of Muslims in all sectors of government (including, initially, the armed forces) are being cited as examples of the governments appeasement psychosis</b>.
But it is the latest twist of events the growing anti-Congress sentiment among large sections of the Muslims following what they see as the governments pro-US tilt that has bolstered BJP leaders.
<b>The Congress is now in a dilemma. At Sonia Gandhis behest, the party and government have gone out of their way to appease Muslims. But the Bush visit and the Iran issue are turning the Muslims away from the Congress towards parties such as the SP, a senior BJP leader said. </b>
<b>The Congress, therefore, is likely to make more blatant efforts to woo the Muslims (the Banerjee report is cited as a case in point) but that will only help the BJP secure its erstwhile status of being the sole spokesman of the majority community.</b>
The Congresss entire strategy, BJP ideologues feel, was based on a wrong premise. Congress believes that it lost its pre-eminent status because the Muslims abandoned the <b>party. But the Muslims never came to us, they went to Third Front parties. However, the Congresss appeasement policies created anger among the Hindu middle class and that is what helped us grow, a BJP insider explained.</b>
A similar story, the party hopes, could once again be unfolding. Now that the intra-Sangh Parivar differences have been sorted out, a united saffron offensive against minorityism is on the cards in a fervent attempt to bring about Hindutvas second coming.
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BJP Future - 4 - acharya - 03-09-2006
UPA govt sowing seeds of another partition: Rajnath
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Thursday, March 09, 2006 20:01 IST
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PATNA: Attacking the UPA government for "pursuing politics of minoritism and appeasement", BJP president Rajnath Singh has accused the Congress-led UPA government of 'sowing seeds of yet another partition'.
In an indication of the BJP going back to its 'Hindutva' moorings after the Jinnah episode which saw his predecessor L K Advani locked in a confrontation with the Sangh Parivar, Singh reaffirmed the party's faith in 'Hindutva' and 'cultural nationalism' which, he said, alone could save India from disintegration.
"The Congress is sowing seeds of another partition by pursuing politics of minoritism and appeasement.....The congress had sown the seeds of partition when in 1916 it adopted a resolution at its Lucknow plenary advocating status of separate electorate for the Muslims which culminated in the Partition in 1947," he said addressing a well-attended BJP workers' conference.
To buttress his charge, Singh said, "The UPA government proposed to bring a legislation to restore the minority institution status to Aligarh Muslim University after it was struck down by the Supreme Court. Congress government in Andhra Pradesh declared to implement reservation policy for Muslims in violation of the Constitution and then the UPA government appointed a committee for the headcount of Muslims in the armed forces."
The BJP president said that it was because of the Congress' 'votebank politics' that POTA was scrapped for being 'too harsh'.
Rajnath Singh alleged that it was because of the UPA government's 'soft' approach to terrorism that incidents like Varanasi blasts happened. "The terrorists today feel emboldened to strike at a marketplace in Delhi, our scientific hub in Bangalore and the centre of our faith in Varanasi," he said.
The BJP president slammed the Congress and its Left allies for dubbing his party as communal.
"Our commitment to Hindutva does not mean we want to create hatred among people. If those who condemn us as communal and have any faith in the judiciary, they should tender an apology after the Supreme Court ruling that Hindutva is not a religion but a way of life," he said.
"It is because of Hindutva that India has a President who is a Muslim, a Prime Minister who is a Sikh and a president of the ruling party who is a Christian," he said and reaffirmed his party's 'total commitment to cultural nationalism'.
"It was due to cultural nationalism that Israel was born and it was on account of lack of it that the mighty Soviet Union splintered," the BJP president said.
Recalling the sacrifice made by Jan Sangh founder Shyama Prasad Mukherjee in keeping India united, Rajnath Singh said had he not defied the law which required people from outside Jammu and Kashmir to seek a permit to enter the state, India would not have remained one and he paid for it with his life.
"When nobody dared, former BJP chief Murli Manohar Joshi hoisted the Tricolour at Lal Chowk in Srinagar after a gap of 12 years braving threats from terrorists," he said.
Attacking the UPA government's foreign policy which he dubbed as 'very weak', the BJP chief said," despite so much hype over the nuclear deal with the US, it could not secure the status of a nuclear weapons state for India. It is a big failure."
Describing India's present foreign policy as 'too timid', he said that the erstwhile Atal Bihari Vajpayee government went ahead with the Pokhran nuclear test without fear of international sanctions and emerged stronger.
"I don't know why the successive Congress regimes right from the days of Nehru have tried to model India on the Soviet Union. Followers of Nehru blindly adopted the policy of controlled economy as prevalent in the erstwhile USSR and the present day Congressmen are votaries of globalisation and open door policy espoused by America without caring for its consequences," he said.
Claiming that the UPA government's popularity was on the decline, Singh said BJP had gained in strength in the last couple of years with the party forming governments in Bihar, Jharkhand and now for the first time in the southern state of Karnataka.
Asserting that the BJP today had a 'stronger support base than even the Congress', he said that the 'BJP is destined to gain in strength as we are the only truly nationalist party in origin, ideology and inspiration. The Congress was founded by an Englishman and the source of inspiration for the Left is China or the now extinct Soviet Union.'
Slamming the Centre for its failure to check price rise, he said that prices of essential commodities like sugar, kerosene and LPG had doubled since the exit of the Vajpayee government.
The BJP president appreciated the steps taken by the NDA government in Bihar for the state's development, but warned against complacency.
Addressing the gathering, the newly appointed state BJP president Radhamohan Singh affirmed his 'total allegiance' to the RSS. He asked the workers to mobilise public opinion against terrorism, which, he said, was the biggest threat faced by the country.
Bihar Deputy Chief Minister Sushil Kumar Modi listed the steps taken by the new NDA government to bring the state back on the path of progress and prosperity and claimed state's image outside had undergone a positive and remarkable' change in little over three months that NDA has been in power.
Former Union Ministers Ravishanker Prasad, Syed Shahnawaz Hussain, Rajiv Pratap Rudy, C P Thakur and former state BJP presidents Nandkishore Yadav, Gopal Narain Singh and Tarakant Jha also spoke on the occasion.
BJP Future - 4 - Guest - 03-12-2006
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<b>After Varanasi: the new alignments in Uttar Pradesh </b>
<i>Neerja Chowdhury on the possibility of a thaw between the Congress and Samajwadi Party </i>
Posted online: Saturday, March 11, 2006 at 0000 hours IST
The Congress and the Samajwadi party may just be withdrawing from their extended confrontation. In fact, it is reliably learnt that Congress President Sonia Gandhi has told her party colleagues in Uttar Pradesh to go easy on the SP.
The Congress seems to be having second thoughts on withdrawing support to the SP government in UP or demanding Presidentâs Rule. It had toyed with the idea after the Allahabad high court undid the BSP âsplitâ by 40 MLAs which had given Mulayamâs government an extremely comfortable majority. It was also on the verge of withdrawing support to the Mulayam ministry.
When Sonia went to Varanasi within hours of the bomb blasts there, she spoke about cooperating with the SP to bring to book the terrorists responsible for the violence. Mulayam Singh Yadav struck a similar note a day later, holding out the assurance that the Centre and the state government would work together.
This should not be surprising, in the aftermath of the sort of terrorist attack that rocked Varanasi. But even senior SP leaders whoâve spoken bitterly about the Congress in recent months were heard appreciating Soniaâs words in the lobby of Parliament.
This thaw could have implications for the bid to disqualify Jaya Bachchan from the Rajya Sabha, which had intensified the bitterness between the two parties, coming as it did after the Amar Singh phone-tapping episode. It is an open secret that someone close to the Congress filed the petition with the Election Commission charging her of holding an office of profit. The EC recommended her disqualification as the UP Film Development Council she heads was not part of the âexempt listâ enabling a legislator to hold such a position.
Mid-week, the stage did seem set for her disqualification, but the file has been sitting on the Presidentâs desk, and A P J Abdul Kalam was taking legal opinion. However, Law Minister H R Bhardwaj was reportedly of the opinion that it would be imprudent to pursue the case, because it could gather a host of people into the net, including leaders of the Congress.
Meanwhile, Mulayam struck and got a Bill passed in the UP assembly which expands the list of posts that will not be considered offices of profit, with retrospective effect. The BJP and the BSP criticised the measure but curiously, the Congress was not in the House when the Bill was passed. The legislation, if okayed by the Governor, will also benefit other important SP leaders, including Amar Singh as the head of UP Vikas Parishad and Mulayamâs brother Shivpal Singh. The pace and substance of the Governorâs response will, therefore, send an extremely important signal on the possibly changing nature of the Congress-SP relations.
There are two factors which may have nudged the Congress into a rethink, though the UP unit of the party is by no means united on the line to take and PCC chief Salman Khurshid is a known Mulayam baiter. He still feels the most effective way for the Congress to revive its fortunes in UP would be to take on Mulayam â particularly now that the opinion in the state is turning against him, something indicated by recent local elections. In fact, a recent survey by the CSDS had found a ground-level sentiment in favour of the Congress, though the party has shown no signs of coming up with a plan to cash in on it.
<b>One reason for the Congressâs hesitation is the fear of polarisation. L K Advaniâs announcement of another yatra, for ânational security and national integrationâ has compounded the confusion for the Congress. Itâs too early to predict what impact a yatra will have in the India of 2006, particularly after Advaniâs flip-flop on âJinnah is secularâ and the âback to the basicsâ agenda of the RSS. But it is also true that some of the issues the BJP plans to raise, like the census of Muslims, a special ministry for minorities and reservation for Muslims in Andhra Pradesh, have agitated the Hindus.
Despite its dismissive rhetoric, the Congress is nervous about the impact the yatra might have in UP. Polarisation along religious lines has tended to cut the Congress out of the picture, as happened in north India in the nineties after Mandal and Mandir, and the party has yet to recover from it. </b>
Even before the announcement of the yatra, the Congress was concerned about the Muslimsâ unhappiness on Iran and the Bush visit â and, by extension, the common cause the Left parties and the SP made. The other regional parties in the UPA had also expressed unhappiness over the governmentâs vote on Iran at the IAEA.
The second reason for the Congressâs rethink is sheer pragmatism. With Ajit Singh firmly on his side, there is little chance of Mulayamâs government being dislodged, even if the Congress were to withdraw its support in UP. Any attempt to go in for Presidentâs Rule might provoke Mulayam to dissolve the assembly and go for early elections with him as caretaker chief minister. The Congress is not ready for polls in UP and could do with more time. Mayawati has given the Congress no reason to expect an electoral tie-up. Rocking the boat at this stage may bring the Congress paltry returns. And with the BJP showing signs of swinging back into agitational mode, there would be pressure from both the Left and the Muslim leaders for the non-BJP forces to stick together.
Those watching UP to gauge which way the wind could blow nationally will, therefore, have to be patient a while longer.
BJP Future - 4 - acharya - 03-14-2006
BJP on a comeback trail"
Special Correspondent
Major parties distancing themselves from UPA: Venkaiah Naidu
WARM RECEPTION: BJP leader Venkaiah Naidu on his arrival in Pondicherry on Monday.
Pondicherry: The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Venkaiah Naidu has said his party is on a comeback trail what with the <span style='color:red'>Congress-led UPA Government losing public support.</span>
Addressing newsmen here on Monday, Mr Naidu said the BJP would contest the elections on its own in Tamil Nadu, Pondicherry, Kerala and Assam. The party would work out an alliance with Trinamool Congress in West Bengal.
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He said all major parties were distancing themselves from the UPA and the continuation of MDMK in the alliance was also in doubt.</b>
Mr. Naidu said the BJP had opened the gateway in the south through Karnataka. Congress would lose the elections in five States including Pondicherry and <span style='color:red'>the UPA would crumble like pack of cards after the Assembly polls.</span>
Mr. Naidu released the details of various committees formed in Pondicherry by the State unit of the party covering the forwarding of the applications for selection of candidates by the Central core committee in the party, election cell and for preparation of manifesto among other things.
BJP Future - 4 - Guest - 03-16-2006
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"It is our belief that the identity and soul of this nation is Hindu. The meaning of the word Hindu is not in the communal sense. Whenever people ask me why India is successful as a democracy compared to other developing countries, I say that only due to Hindus, the country is both democratic and secular", said Advani, who had to step down as BJP President after a spat with RSS over the Jinnah episode.
While Arya Samaj and Ramakrishna Mission were influential in the 19th century, "the biggest movement of 20th century and thereafter was the RSS", he said adding if it was a "power house prior to Independence, it is a university now."
The ultimate aim of the RSS, he said was the nation's holistic development and it was expected to be done by RSS volunteers only.
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BJP Future - 4 - acharya - 03-18-2006
BJP finalises Advani, Rajnath `yatra' details
Neena Vyas
Advani to cover 10 States over 26 days and Rajnath Singh 12 States over 24 days
# `Raths' will not cross paths, but will touch five "common States"
# Will not go through the five States going to the polls
# VHP leader Ashok Singhal criticises Advani
NEW DELHI: The Bharatiya Janata Party has finalised the twin `yatra' plan. The `yatra' will see Leader of the Opposition L.K. Advani hurtling through 10 States, covering 5,800 km, over 26 days. Party president Rajnath Singh will cover 12 States over 24 days, logging 5,000 km. While both `yatras' will start on April 6, Mr. Advani's `rath' will be flagged off from Dwarka in Gujarat and Mr. Singh's chariot from Puri in Orissa.
Details of the `yatras' â named the Rashtriya Ekatmata Yatra (National Integration Yatra) â were finalised at a meeting of the State unit president, organising secretaries and central office-bearers here on Friday.
Chaired by Mr. Singh, the party took into confidence the State units to enable them to make arrangements for the chariots to pass through their States. The two `raths' would not cross paths, but would touch five "common States."
Starting on April 6 â founder's day of the BJP as well as Ram Naumi â the journey would converge and end here on May 10, anniversary of the 1857 First War of Independence, senior party leader Venkaiah Naidu said.
While Mr. Advani would traverse Gujarat, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, Haryana and Delhi, Mr. Rajnath Singh's journey would take him from Orissa to Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Uttaranchal, Himachal, Jammu and Kashmir, Punjab, Rajasthan, Haryana and Delhi.
Mr. Naidu reiterated that the `yatras' would not touch the five States going to the polls. However, the message would be political as the BJP was a political party, he said. The agenda was to create awareness among the people about the "current situation," that is focus on the Government's policies that were "soft towards terrorism' and designed to appease Muslims.
BJP Future - 4 - Guest - 03-19-2006
Madan Lal Khurana is out again , I hope he stays there.
Finally, Uma will launch her new party along with her mentor/BF. I hope this time she will use her brain not mentor Gopalacharya's.
I don't think she can survive politically for long. She can be another Mamta Banerjee who will never figure out her place in politics.
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BJP Future - 4 - Guest - 03-20-2006
http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/mar/18rajnath.htm
Bjp is playing with Fire , this is a very sad development , The logic of separate states might work in Chattisgarh or Jharkhand , I am no economic expert to exactly say how it affects these states but in telangana.
1.Naxal's heartland , Huge network of Naxals
2.Muslim Population , recent articles show nalgonda and telangana as Jihad's most hot spot in india.Yazdani the accused in ayodhya blasts and shramajeevi being from here.
3.Populace largely enducated swayed by corrupt politicians and Naxals
It is a heady cocktail mix for disaster , Has BJP forgotten the problems sardar had to undergo before making Hyd and andhra join in the Indian Union.
This is sheer Opportunism , BJP is already incurring a huge back lash from andhra over this , If at all the congress takes the bait and agrees to , We will have a huge National security problem to cope with.
The Congress and MIM will join hands in Telangana with TRS and Naxals and up the ante with pseudo secular sops , The bjp as usual will follow suit and what will follow is a rape and pillage of the land , Development will stop even further and it leads to a vicious cycle , People start feeling cheated even after separation and very soon you will see the demand for separation.
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BJP Future - 4 - Guest - 03-20-2006
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This shows how myopic the advisors are
1.They would have won the battle but lost the war , Nobody ever again in andhra would vote for BJP , there is enough anti against the BJP and they have never managed more than a few seats and with this they would never again win in andhra period.
2.If the advisors think they can increase their already existing small base in Telangana they are definetly dreaming a pipe dream , the emerging new state with its naxal leaders and MIM leaders would be the most radical state to date , In fact they would be carving a new kerala out of andhra.
3.This is what happens when jokers like Venkaih are made presidents , He himself now being embroiled in corruption controversies in AP (being covered by the local dailies) .
If this is the idea of advisors to change their strategy , I would seriously RSS floats its own party , enough with this jokers.
BJP Future - 4 - Bharatvarsh - 03-20-2006
A separate Telangana must be opposed tooth and nail, I myself grew up in Hyderabad but fact remains from the viewpoint of Hindus it goes against our interests, already its infested with Naxals, nextly most of Andhra Muslims are in this region which means that a separate Telangana state will increase their clout and there will be rampant vote banking in the new state since Muslims will be more in % than in Andhra Pradesh.
BJP Future - 4 - ramana - 03-20-2006
Telengana is 42% of the land area of Andhra Pradesh. However its people are very poor and suffer from droughts etc due to being located in the rain-shed area of the Western Ghats. Yes after the state formation Hyderabad developed by leaps and bounds but not elsewhere in the region. This feeds the insecurity of the people and gives chance for politicians to rake it up for their advantage. If you see the voter turnout, BJP has very little chance in Andhra while it can get some seats in a new Telengana for sure.
I do not want the state divided as it has united after centuries (defeat of Kakatiyas), but the people have to feel that there is equity in their belonging to Andhra Pradesh. The main resentment is that development has been confined to Hyderabad and it does not benefit them even if they are located near it. I dont have real stats but this is a grievance. Maybe one can dig up stats about how the 9 districts of Telegana do vis vis the rest of the state.
It does not matter that in time all of India will develop. Due to the mass media and rising expectations people want development now, not day after tomorrow.
If to forestall the rise of BJP the INC spends resources in Telengana to placate the people that is a benefit for it will marginalize the Naxals and deal with the grievances.
BJP Future - 4 - Guest - 03-21-2006
Ramana Ji
I would agree on the part that Telangana has a genuine problem but separation is not the solution .But to understand Telangana's problems a look has to be taken at its history.
1.Telangana suffered a lot during Khilji's incursions into the south(fall of the kakaityas) ,the later resistances mounted by various chieftains was crushed very brutally and it lead to a period or rule by the muslims.
2.The Quli Qutub shahi's further damaged the region , the pain of the people being captured in a poem where the farmer rues , How much you have made us cry Nizam while you sit on golden thrones in Golconda .
3.The people were squeezed between the Landlord's of Telangana and the Nizam resulting in the Telangana revolt which was again put down brutally.
When People become rudderless , have been suppressed for a long time Any voice of revolt becomes their cry for Pride at least look like men in their own eyes.
Unfortunately Communism became their War Cry with the misguided Naxals .
Like i said we would have won the battle but lost the war if Telangana is granted Separation.
1.There is no question of the Communists losing in Telangana , BJP at the maximum will win Karimnagar that too if they agree to the Naxal Demands.
2.The large population of Muslim's many of whom work as labourer's in Dubai are often Influenced by Pakistan's ISI .There is a mushroom growth of Madrassa's in many Districts.
3.The Naxal's and the Muslim Parties like MIM already have an dangerous alliance.
4.If Hyd is made an Union territory or becomes a part of Telangana ,Imagine the consequences of a economic hub surrounded by hostile forces.
Bjp is only dreaming Pipe dreams , They will neither win in Telangana nor in Andhra with this step .Yes to solve Telangana's Problems many more Irrigation Projects and confidence gaining measures have to be taken up but not separation.
All that the BJP will end up doing is come across as a very Opportunistic Party(which it has been) and along with it a party with minimum vision about National Security.