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The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-15-2012
Intel 2012 semifinalists ( out of 300 )
Adhikari = Maharashtrian Brahmin, SIB
Agarwala, A = Bania
Agarwala, S = Bania
Batra, Parag = Khatri
Bhandari = Bania
Bharadwaj, M = Brahmin NIB
Bhattacharya, G = Bengali brahmin, NIB
Bopanna = Coorgi-Kannadiga-Rajput
Chandrasekhar, A = SIB
Chitti, Bhargava = NIB
Dalal, N = Bania
Dasarathy, A = SIB
Dasu, G = SIB
Desai, M = Guj-Brahmin, NIB
Desai, N = Guj-Brahmin, NIB
Dhawan, S = Brahmin NIB
Goli, R = GSB brahmin, SIB
Gunasekaran, S = Tamil OBC
Gupta, A = Bania
Gupta, V = Bania
Jena, S = Oriya brahmin, NIB
Kamath, T = GSB brahmin, SIB
Kosaraju, R = Telegu OBC
Mangalick, K = brahmin NIB
Mehta, N = Guj Brahmin, NIB
Murali, A = SIB
Nag, A = Bengali Kayasth
Patel, N = Patel
Prabhu, A = GSB brahmin, SIB
Prasannapa, R = SIB
Raghavendra, S = SIB
Raj, T = Rajput
Rambhia, S = Jain
Randeria, M = bania
Rangan, R = SIB
Raparla, P = SIB
Rengarajan, P = SIB
Saha, S = Bengali Kayasth
Sangani, K = bania
Saraon, A = Rajput
Sarkar, E = bengali kayasth
Shekar, S = SIB
Shah, A = bania
Shankar, R = SIB
Sharan, S = Bhumihar brahmin, NIB
Srinivasan, A = SIB
Taneja, A = Khatri
Thukral, P = Khatri
Tumma, N = SIB
Vaccharajani, = Sindhi
Viswanathan, S = SIB
Yadav, G = Yadav
Yenapalli, A = SIB
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-15-2012
It may safely be assumed that all of above were born and brought up in at least middle-class schools and were not malnourished.
And none of so called upper caste oppression
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-15-2012
Total = 53
SIB ( Including Maharashtrian and GSB ) = 19
NIB ( Including, Bengali, Guj , Oriya and Bhumihar ) = 10
Kayasth ( bengali ) = 3
Bania ( North Indian, including Jain and Sindhi and Khatri ) = 14
Rajput = 3
OBC ( Including Patel non-dwija, Yadav, SI-OBC ) = 4
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-15-2012
The interesting item from previous post is that NIB do not seem to show any IQ advantage over NI-bania, at the high end, unlike the scenario in SI. And in SI, virtually all on the list are SIB.
Another interesting aspect is that some Rajputs do make it into the list, which I did not expect
At the lower end of the IQ curve, reflected in PISA scores, TN clearly beats HP
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-17-2012
Caste Analysis of Indian winners of US National Merit Semifinalists based on PSAT
I often lump Khatri, Jain, Sindhi as NI-bania
The Nairs are genetically same as SIB, due to large scale impregnation of matrilineal Nair women by Nambudhri brahmins. Visually I cant tell a Nair apart from SIB
Shashi Tharoor ( Nair ) for example is extremely Aryan looking and he got his genes from a Nambudhiri brahmin some generations ago
California, - Silicon Valley
Atherton - 1 SIB, 1 Sindhi
Cupertino - 8 SIB, 1 Jat, 1 Reddy, 1 Telegu Raju, 2 Khatri, 1 Nair ( genetically SIB ), 1 Kamma, 1 Guj-bania, 1 UP Kayasth,
Fremont - 5 SIB, 5 Guj-bania, 1 TN-OBC, 1 NI-bania,
Mountain View - 1 NIB, 3 SIB, 1 Patel, 1 Guj bania,
Palo Alto - 1 NIB, 2 SIB, 2 NI-bania, 1 NI-Rajput
San Jose - 3 NIB, 16 SIB, 8 NI-bania, 1 Nair ( SIB ), 1 Patel, 1 Reddy, 1 Syrian xtian
Saratoga - 2 SIB, 1 NI-bania, 1 NI-rajput
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-18-2012
Austin Texas
3 SIB, 2 NIB, 2 Khatri
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-18-2012
On a per-capita basis, Khatri shows up almost as often as SIB.
In the NI-bania, category, the most common occurence is Khatri
IMHO, the Khatris are the most optimised caste in India,
They are nearly as wealthy as the Jains, nearly as high IQ as SIB, add to it, they have a religious heritage - all Sikh gurus were Khatris and they had a military tradition, Finally looks wise IMHO the Khatris are the best looking caste in India, most bollywood stars and starlets are Khatris
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-18-2012
http://tamilnation.co/caste/nambi.htm
1911 - Male Literacy in Tamil
Brahmin = 72%
Chetti = 39%
Nadar = 18%
Agamudayan = 21%
Velala = 25%
Kallan = 16%
Maravan = 14%
Vaniyan = 32%
The interesting thing we find that the only caste that kept tamil language alive was the Aryan Sanskritist brahmin
The core of the DK-DMK movement is the Velala landlords, and their tamil literacy is below chetti ( bania ) and even below Vaniyan ( MBC )
And velala literacy is not much more than Nadar ( MBC ), Agamudayan ( MBC ), Kallan ( MBC ), Maravan ( MBC )
There are very nasty sayings by velalas against Agamudayar,
Historically the Kallan-Maravan-Agamudayan came under Thevar caste. The imperial Cholas were Thevars,
Even now these are martial castes pro-Hindu and active in anti-EJ and anti-islam activities.
How did the imperial Thevar castes come to get ranked below velala landlord. I dont know.
IMHO, this must be due to the british ranking the Kallan and Maravan as a criminal caste
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-19-2012
From above, In 1911, the literacy in british India was 6%, and in TN, even MBC castes had a 20-25% literacy rate.
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-19-2012
http://tamilnation.co/caste/nambi.htm
Male Literacy in TN in English
Brahmin = 22%
Chetti = 0.98%
Nadar = 0.30%
Vellala = 2.12%
Agamudayan = 0.33%
Kallan = 0.27%
Maravan = 0.13%
Vaniyan = 1.12%
Brahmins held 75% of govt posts and Non-Brahmin hindus held 20% of Govt posts
With an English literacy over 20X the non-brahmin rate, the brahmin govt job rate advantage was only 4X
Incidentally this was under British rule and no ban on non-brahmins from learning english.
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-19-2012
In the US, each year at grade 11, 15000 National Merit Semifinalists are selected
And in the US, each year, after 4 years of college, 20000 are admitted into MD
So there is a very strong co-relation and overlap between National Merit and getting into MD
National merit list also reflects regression to mean
The FETNA-ites are virtually absent from the National Merit list
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-19-2012
Given that SC = 16%, ST = 9%, Muslim = 15%, total 40% ,
The mean Indian IQ will struggle to exceed 90, even with nutrition and schooling
For reference, Israel has a 20% muslim , and its average IQ is 94
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-19-2012
National merit scholarship tests 1.5 million US high school students, 100 IQ average.
Out of this 15000 , or 1% go into the semi-finalist list
Using bell curve, this is about 135 IQ
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-20-2012
1911, Census, Male literacy in Maharashtra
Caste - Marathi Literacy - English Literacy
Deshastha Brahmin - 62% - 10%
Konkonastha Brahmin - 63% - 19%
Saraswat Brahmin - 54% - 11%
Maratha ( upper caste, Pawar etc ) - 4.6% - 0.22%
Kunbi ( lower caste maratha peasant ) - 9.4% - 0.27%
Lingayat - 13% - 0.30%
Mahar ( Ambedkar ) - 1% - 0.01%
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Dr.Ambedkar is remarkable getting a US law degree from such a deprived background
The next shocker is that the Kunbi peasant was twice as literate as the Maratha elite
Brahmins may have withheld knowledge of Sanskrit, but never the local language- and English was open to all
Also remarkable that TN-MBC had much higher literacy than Lingayat, a FC in Bombay Presidency
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-20-2012
135 IQ - National Merit 2011 - CA
Bikhchandani, N - NI-bania - Sindhi
Gambhir, H - NI bania - Khatri
Bugga P - NI bania - khatri
Ayyangar, S - SIB
Israni, E - NI bania - Sindhi
Gupta, A - NI bania
Shah, A - NI bania - Guj
Ratan, A - NI bania
Jagannathan, A - SIB
Anand, S - NI bania - Khatri
Ashok, R - SIB
Banthia, P - NI bania - Khatri
Chaudhury, T - Jat
Dhulipala, L - SIB
Kolareddy, P - Reddy
Menon, S - Nair
Peddada, K - SIB
Raju, A - Telegu Raju
Rao, S - Kamma ?
Ravi, A - SIB
Savanur, V - SIB
Setlur, B - SIB
Shah, S - NI bania - guj
Srikant, N - SIB
Srivastava S - NI Kayastha
Sure, S - SIB
Raj, M - NI rajput ?
Rajagopal, M - SIB
Raychaudhury, S - NIB - bengali
Trivedi, S - NIB
Reddy, R - Reddy
Chatterji, S - NIB - Bengali
Bharath, R - SIB
Gandhi, S - NI bania - guj
Puranikmath, N - SIB
Shah, P - NI bania - guj
Gupta, V - NI bania
Parihar, S - NI Rajput
Grama, N - NI bania
Parikh, A - NI bania - guj
Parikh, N - NI bania - guj
Shah, A - NI bania - guj
Teekapannavar, N - SIB
Yelimeli, S - SIB
Chaurasia, A - NIB
Patel, S - Patel
Tanna, R - NI bania - Lohana
Singh, R - NI rajput
Chaudhury, K - Jat
Raman, N - SIB
Jayakrishnan, S - SIB
Kondragunta, V - SIB
Rastogi, R - NI rajput
Sarkar, R - NI bengali kayasth
Sharma, A - NIB
Shukla, A - NIB
Thaker, P - NIB - guj
Chandrasekara, T - SIB
Venkataraman, A - SIB
Nandan, A - SIB
Luthra, S1 - NI bania - khatri
Luthra, S2 - NI bania - Khatri
Nair, P - Nair
Dixit, N - NIB
Patel, H - Patel
Sridhar, S - SIB
Gajare, P - Lingayat
Murthy, M - SIB
Bansal, R - NI bania
Nimmagadda, N - SIB
Goel, A - NI bania
Bhateja, N - NI bania - Khatri
Rajan, S - SIB
Srinivasan, P - SIB
Bhargava, N - NIB
Singh, J - Jat Sikh
Jain, A - NI bania, Jain
Shankar, R - SIB
Singh, S - Jat Sikh
RamNarayan, G - SIB
Shukla, V - NIB
Narasimmaraj, P - Kamma ?
Saxena, S - NI Kayasth
Kubendran, N - Tamil Velala - Jaffna Tamil
Raghavan, G - SIB
Ram, C - NI bania ?
Trivedi, A - NIB
Reddy, K - Reddy
Sathnur, S - SIB
Jain, P - Jain
Pratha, N - NIB
Reddy, A - Reddy
Shastri, G - SIB
Soman, S - SIB
Sridharan, V - SIB
Srinivasan, V - SIB
Gupta, A - NI bania
Palacherla, N - SIB
Anand, N - NI bania - Khatri
Datta, S - Bengali Kayastha
Jain, V - Jain
Kaushik, C - SIB
Khandwala, Y - NI bania - Sindhi
Menon, A - Nair
Mody, A - NI bania - guj
Padmanabhan, A - SIB
Raghunath, G - SIB
Seeni, S - SIB
Sharma, R - NIB
Sivakumar, H - SIB
Patel, P - Patel
Subramaniam, N - SIB
Basu, R - NI bengali kayasth
Jain, A - Jain
Makhijani, P - NI bania - Sindhi
Malhotra, R - NI bania - Khatri
Mangalapally, N - SIB
Navaratna, T - Kamma ?
Nelakanti, R - SIB
Prasad, A - SIB
Sarma, S - SIB
Shankar, K - SIB
Sureddi, S - Reddy
Suresh, M - SIB
Chandy, K - Syrian Xtian - kerala
Mohan, V - SIB
Bharadwaj, S - SIB
Tandon, D - NI bania - Khatri
Ganesan, G - SIB
Jethanandani, R - NI bania - Sindhi
Parmar, V - NI Rajput
Sirpurapu, A - SIB
Mathur, I - NI rajput
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-20-2012
In above list, 133 names of over 135 IQ in California and a fair large scale study
This is 2.5 SD above mean IQ, and contest winners are at 3.5 SD.
But extreme tails of bell curve like 3.5 SD are not an accurate means of measurement, due to non-linearities
Now I shall sort the data from the 133 names above
NI-bania-Total ( Including Jain, Khatri, Sindhi, Guj-bania ) = 36
Guj-bania = 8 ( On a per-capita basis, more than NIB and nearly at SIB levels )
Jain = 3 ( On a per-capita basis, more than NIB and nearly at SIB levels )
Sindhi = 5 ( On a per-capita basis, more than NIB and nearly at SIB levels )
Khatri = 10 ( On a per-capita basis, more than NIB and nearly at SIB levels )
Generic-NI-bania = 36 - 8 - 3 - 5 - 10 = 10
SIB = 51 ( The 69% quota is causing a serious brain drain of the best brains of India )
Nair ( genetically SIB, due to Nambudhiris impregnating matrilineal Nair women ) = 3
Jaffna Tamil Velala = 1 ( I couldnt find a single Indian Velala, the main instigators of Dravidianism )
Syrian Xtian = 1 ( SI bania, remarkably underperforms NI-bania )
Reddy = 4 ( A remarkably high number for a landlord caste )
Jat = 4 ( a remarkably high number for a landlord caste )
Patel = 2
NIB = 12 ( Including Guj and Bengali brahmin )
Bengali Brahmin = 2
Guj brahmin = 1
Generic NIB = 12 - 2 - 1 = 9
Rajput = 7 ( Including 1 Telegu Raju, A remarkably high number for a martial caste )
Kamma = 3
Lingayat = 1
Kayasth-total = 5
Bengali Kayasth = 3 ( on a per capita basis, very competitive with bengali brahmin )
Generic Kayasth = 2
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Y-DNA-R1A ( Aryan gene ) = 122
Y-DNA-L1 ( South Indian ) = 11
Y-DNA-H1 ( NI-OBC ) = 0
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-20-2012
Previously I had written of a South Indian IQ generic advantage. The reality is more Nuanced
The Indian IQ seems to be SIB > Khatri, Sindhi, Jain, Guj-bania > NIB > NI bania > SI-bania
And at the lower ends, SI-IQ is higher than NI-IQ due to more disfunction in NI
SIB, NIB, NI-bania, Khatri etc are Y-DNA = R1A ( Aryan gene )
Non-Brahmin SI = L1
OBC-NI = H1
R1A > L1 > H1
Both in north and south India, R1A is a minority.
SI is dominated by L1 and NI is dominated by H1,
My guess is L1 > > H1, which explains the disfunctionality of NI
Also, L1 mostly marry their 1st cousins and this has a 8 IQ point hit, and hurts them in comparison with R1A
The reason that dravidian castes , esp merchants vastly underperform their NI equiv is 1st cousin marriages which cost 8 IQ
My guess is that SIB-IQ is vastly superior to NIB-IQ due to inbreeding.
NIB marry at 7th cousin on paternal side and 3rd cousin on maternal side, and IQ genes get diluted
Whereas on average SIB marry their 2nd cousin. And at the 2nd cousin level there is no IQ hit of 1st cousin marriage, and IQ genes get concentrated, at the cost of being less physically robust. They probably should move to 3rd cousin levels to improve health without IQ hit and definitely move from sub-caste to jati to bring in fresh blood
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-21-2012
135 IQ - National Merit 2011 - TX
Bhushan, M - NIB
Mukhopadya, N - NIB bengali
Anand, L - NI bania Khatri
Venkatraman, K - SIB
Mishra, A - NIB
Patel, P - Patel
Chatterji, R - NIB bengali
Krishnan, S - SIB
Makhija, S - NI bania Khatri
Nelluru, P - SIB
Parolkar, V - SIB
Raina, A - NIB KP
Sharma, C - NIB
Tembhekar. P - SIB
Reddy, R - Reddy
Bhatia, N - NI bania Khatri
Chaudhury, S - Jat
Kinra, R - NI bania Khatri
Patel, M - Patel
Amsavelu, S - Tamil Velala
Chandra, A - NIB bengali
Raghavan, B - SIB
Krishnan, S - SIB
Pathak, N - NIB guj
Gangasani, N - NI bania Sindhi
Chatterji, R - NIB bengali
Kannan, S - SIB
Samudra, S - SIB
Gangal, A - NI bania
Iyer, P - SIB
Khetpal, S - NI bania Sindhi
Das, S - Kayastha bengali
Komalapati, A - SIB
Manivasagam, S - Tamil Velala
Sharma, A - NIB
Shrikanth, P - SIB
Sharma, A - NIB
Kannan, K - SIB
Dhaliwal, S - Jat
Batra, A - NI bania Khatri
Jayant, N - SIB
Singh, J - Jat Sikh
Desai, K - NIB guj
Krishnagiri, A - SIB
Rao, P - SIB
Thareja, N - NI bania Khatri
Mishra, H - NIB
Mohan, A - SIB
Sablok, A - NI bania Khatri
Mani, A - SIB
Ajith, A - SIB
Chaudhuri, G - NIB bengali
Karun, V - NI bania Khatri
Roy, A - NIB bengali
Kumar, V - SIB
Mittal, P - NI bania Jain
Shah, A - NI bania guj
Anandasivam, N - Tamil Velala
Chiti, A - SIB
Varuhese, N - Syrian Xtian
Bharagava, A - NIB
Mody, N - NI bania guj
Raman, H - SIB
Shivani, S - NI bania Khatri
Thakur, R - NI Rajput
Zaveri, S - NI bania Jain
Bhattacharya, P - NIB bengali
Gopal, V - SIB
Gulati, K - NI bania Khatri
Kadali, S - SI bania
Vyas, P - NIB guj
Agarwal, V - NI bania
Suresh, V - SIB
Kapadia, S - NI bania Jain
Upadhyay, P - NIB
Kumar, N - SIB
Sharma, H - NIB
Kaushik, C - NIB
Sheth, K - NI bania Jain
Kikani, G - NIB guj
Mullick, S - Baidya Bengali
Pandya, S - NIB guj
Raju, S - SI rajput
Raghavan, S - SIB
Rawal, S - Rajput
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-21-2012
In above post, Total = 85
Syrian Xtian = 1
Tamil Velala = 3
Bengali Baidya = 1
Rajput = 3
Patel = 2
Jat = 3
Reddy = 1
NI bengali Kayastha = 1
SI bania = 2
SIB = 26
NIB total = 23
NIB bengali = 6
NIB guj = 4
NIB KP = 1
NIB generic = 23 - 6 - 4 - 1 = 12
NI bania total = 20
NI bania Khatri = 9
NI bania guj = 2
NI bania Sindhi = 2
NI bania Jain = 4
NI bania generic = 20 - 9 - 2 - 2 - 4 = 3
R1A = 77
L1 = 8
H1 = 0
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 01-21-2012
TX is very similar to CA, except for a much stronger showing from NIB-bengali
India has 3 genetic IQ zones
R1A to the west of Delhi, Punjab area and Guj and these have the highest economic indicators
L1 in South India and
H1 in UP, MP, Bihar etc
again no H1 shows up in TX either