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The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-01-2012
[quote name='ashish' date='30 January 2012 - 09:53 PM' timestamp='1327940150' post='114343']
But Sri Lanka is at least twice as prosperous as Tamil Nadu. Is that because -
1. Tamils in Sri Lanka are more Christian, therefore more modern or
2. Indian TN is paying a heavy price due to India's federal structure where most of their wealth is being sent to low IQ populations
?
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Syrian Xtians SI - merchants score at levels of Tamil Velala, SI- Landlord
In most cases, Merchant IQ > Landlord IQ, so xtianity has not helped the syrian xtians
So xtianity has not helped Syrian xtians
Most black African countries are xtian run and much worse than India
Sri Lanka Tamil xtian is 15% and Sinhala xtians is 6%, not a major factor
Theravada Buddhism is a 2-edged sword, in all countries, it deadens IQ, due to celibate monks and nuns ,
leading to enstupidation
Khmers now are dumb Theravadins, but when they were Hindus they built Angkor Vat
Both in Myanmar and Srilanka, both theravadin buddhist countries,
non-brahmin tamils took over the economy due to higher IQ,
during british rule
Now move onto public services,
Only the poor make use of public services, the middle class and rich are privatised using money
Theravada buddhism has a strong dharmic core in that it does stress charity to the poor
So in theravada buddhist societies, they have a good score for primary education and primary health care
and less corruption ( relatively ) than Hindu societies
This charity for the poor is something that Hindus need to learn
Next, tamils ( excluding tambrams ) are not a high IQ population
They are a medium IQ population
Tamils are Y-DNA L1, and L1 has higher IQ than UP-Bihar OBC, which is Y-DNA-H1
and tamil-L1 have lower IQ than Y-DNA-R1A ( Tambrams, SIB, NIB, NI bania , )
I was surprised to see in the data, that non-brahmin tamils score lower than Patels and Jats and Sikhs ( R1A )
The main state that is screwed by wealth transfer is Gujurat, R1A, not TN, L1
The UPA regime has refused to grant industrial licenses for many companies in Guj, to screw Modi
Sri Lanka, has twice the Indian GDP but Indian GDP is dragged down by decades of socialism until 1991,
And India will catchup and overtake Sri Lanka in 10 years
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-01-2012
135 IQ, California 2012 data
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Madhavan, V = SIB
Patel, N = NI-Landlord, guj patel
Srinivas, S = SIB
Bhatia, A = NI-bania - Khatri
Sen, M = NIB - bengali
Maskara, A = NI bania - generic
Prakash, P = NIB generic
Thavarajah, W = SI-Landlord, Tamil Velala
Mannar, V = SI-landlord, Tamil Velala
Muralidharan, R = SI-Landlord, Nair
Vancheswaran, A = SIB
Gill, V = NI-Landlord, Jat Sikh
Yeturu, P = SIB
Patel, P = NI-Landlord, Patel
Gowda, K - SI-Landlord, Gowda
Sriram, S = SIB
Kaushal, D = SIB
Agarwal , A = NI-bania-generic
Ashok, A = SIB
Chitale, N = SIB
Desai, A = NIB-guj
Gaitonde, A = SIB
Kilambi, A = SIB
Kini, H = SIB
Mandlekar, A = SIB
Mehta, N = NIB-guj
Rao, P = SIB
Salgar, S = SIB
Shukla, A = NIB-generic
Swaminathan, P = SIB
Guntupalli, S = SIB
Kshetramade, A = SIB
Pant, P = NIB-generic
Chahal, S = NI-Landlord-Jat
Desai, R = NIB-guj
Lingampalli, N = SIB
Ramachandran, A = SIB
Agarwal, A = NI-bania-generic
Agra, S = NI-bania-generic
Agarwal, S = NI-bania-generic
Bains, A = NI-Landlord, Jat Sikh
Bansal, S = NI-bania-generic
Bharadwaj, S = SIB
Jayaprakash, S = SIB
Kumar, Y = SIB
Ramachandran, M = SIB
Reddy, A = SI-Landlord-Reddy
Shah, J = NI-bania-guj
Shah, K = NI-bania-guj
Shah, S = NI-bania-guj
Sharma, R = SIB
Srinivasan, A = SIB
Sudhakar, V = SIB
Valiveti, K = SIB
Patil, D = SI-Landlord-Lingayat
Kanagaraj, M = SI-Landlord-Velala
Satyadev, N = SIB
Surapaneni, N = SIB
Tanna, S = NI-rajput
Desai, N = NIB-guj
Ahdi, S = NI-rajput
Singh, A = NI-Landlord-Jat Sikh
Aiyer, S = SIB
Gupta, S = NI-bania-generic
Kumar, M = SIB
Prasad, V = SIB
Krishnan, V = SIB
Bhatt, R = SIB
Jeevaprakash, A = SIB
Ravishankar, V = SIB
Gopinathan, N = SIB
Rajan, N = SIB
Nag, N = NI-Kayastha, bengali
Pendse, R = SIB
Kalpathy, J = SIB
Muralidharan, M = SI-Landlord. Nair
Pandian, P = SI-rajput Thevar
Raghvendra, S = SIB
Venkatesh, S = SIB
Paranandi, S = SIB
Siddhanti, S = SI-Landlord, Kapu
Bagrodia, P = NI-bania-generic
Srikumar, S = SI-Landlord, Nair
Desai, S = NIB-guj
Ramachandran, S = SIB
Sarathy, S = SIB
Ahuja, A = NI-bania-Khatri
Ram, A = SIB
Singh, R = NI-rajput
Dilip, M = SIB
Gupta, R = NI-bania-generic
Nair, M = SI-Landlord, Nair
Rishi, D = SIB
Sridhar, V = SIB
Krishnamurthy, V = SIB
Ramakrishnan, S = SIB
Sreekanti, V = SIB
Urva, M = SIB
Vyas, D = NIB-guj
Manjunath, V = SIB
Shah, N = NI-bania-guj
Sharma, R = NIB-generic
Kumar, V = SIB
Ramayya, S = SI-bania-telegu
Shibuya, K = SI-bania - Syrian Xtian
Vaish, M = NI-bania-generic
Baliga, A = SI-Landlord, telegu baliga
Singh, M = NI-rajput
Gadangi, P = NIB-generic
Chaturvedi, S = NIB - generic
Rangaswamy, V = SIB
Vishwanath, V = SIB
Bhattacharjee, R = NIB-bengali
Bisarya, P = NI-Kayastha-generic
Manohar, N = SI-Landlord-Velala
Kothandapani, D = SIB
Agarwal, A = NI-bania-generic
Bhargava, M = NIB-generic
Das, A = NI-kayastha, bengali
Desai, N = NIB-guj
Gopakumar, S = SIB
Limaye, A = SIB
Pingali, A = SIB
Singh, V = NI-rajput
Sohoni, N = NI-bania-Khatri
Ashok, A = SIB
Batra, P = NI-bania-Khatri
Bopardikar, R = SIB
Dalal, N = NI-bania
Dasu, G = SI-bania-telegu
Dasu, S = SI-bania-telegu
Gupta, V = NI-bania-generic
Jagadeesh, A = SIB
Khanna, A = NI-bania-Khatri
Kosaraju, R = SI-Landlord, Telegu
Krishna, N = SIB
Maddaluri, R = SIB
Malladi, C = SIB
Narayan, N = SIB
Rangan, R = SI-Landlord - Velala
Ranjan, K = SIB
Reddy, J = SI-Landlord-Reddy
Rengarajan, P = SIB
Shanbadti, R = NI-rajput
Subramaniam, A = SIB
Pappireddi, N = SI-Landlord, Reddy
Parameshwar, N = SIB
Patel, D = NI-Landlord, Patel
Chakravorty, A = NIB-bengali
Jagadeesan, V = SIB
Kalyanansundaram, V = SIB
Pai, K = SIB
Palaniswamy, I = SI-Landlord, Velala
Peddada, S = SIB
Pokhriyal, M = NIB-generic
Rathi, K = NI-bania-generic
Vemulapalli, K = SIB
Naik, V = NI-rajput-Maratha
Agawrwal, N = NI-bania-generic
Bettadapur, A = SIB
Padmanabhan, P = SIB
Acharya, R = SIB
Venkataraman, S = SIB
Trivedi, M = NIB-generic
Kumar, M = SIB
Pandey, A = NIB-generic
Sheth, R = NI-bania-jain
Bhayani, G = NI-bania
Parmar, V = NI-rajput
Chetia, S = NI-rajput-assamese
Raghavan, M = SIB
Raj, K = NI-rajput
Raman, K = SIB
Ramesh, V = SIB
Rao, A = SIB
Rao, M = SIB
Singh, P = NI-rajput
Siriparupu, A = SIB
Unadkat, P = NI-rajput
Agarwal, N = NI-bania-generic
Batra, R = NI-bania-Khatri
Suri, S = NI-bania-Khatri
Jagannathan, S = SIB
Nayak, S = NI-Rajput Maratha
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-02-2012
In above, Total = 184
SIB = 89
NIB-generic = 9
NIB-guj = 7
NIB-bengali = 3
Total NIB = 19
Total Brahmin = 108
NI-bania-Khatri = 7
NI-bania-Guj = 3
NI-bania-jain = 1
NI-bania-generic = 15
Total NI-bania = 26
NI-kayastha-bengali = 2
Total Kayastha = 2
NI-rajput = 12
NI-Landlord-Patel = 3
NI-Landlord-Jat = 4
Total NI-Landlord = 7
SI-Landlord-Nair = 4 ( impregnated by Nambudiri brahmins )
Total , R1A, Aryan gene pool = 159
Total, L1, Dravidian gene pool = 25
Total, H1, Nishad gene pool, NI-OBC = 0
Tamil Velala = 5
Tamil Thevar = 1
Kerala Syrian xtian - merchant = 1
Karnataka Lingayat = 1
Telegu Dravidian castes = 17
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-03-2012
Hispanic IQ in the USA, is considered to be 87
If we assume the Nishad component in USA ( H1 , 50% of India ) as 87, it would explain their lack of post-high school education
However, since they have the Hindu joint family - extended family system, and are skilled in blue collar trades, such as 7-11 and driving taxis,
their family income is above whites
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-03-2012
The 184 National Merit semifinalists came out of a pool of 11th grade students in California
11th grade pop
Chinese = 12600
Korean = 4800
Japanese = 1800
Vietnamese = 6100
Total Han = 25300
Asian Indian = 4900
Assume That SIB, CA is 10% of Asian Indian
And Khatri is 5% of Asian Indian
SIB = 500
Khatri = 250
These are 11th grade students
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-03-2012
California, Han, 2012 National Merit
Page-3-col-1 = 29
Page-3-col-2 = 37
Page-3-col-3 = 12
Page-3-col-4 = 28
Page-3-total = 106
Page-4-col-1 = 25
Page-4-col-2 = 50
Page-4-col-3 = 22
Page-4-col-4 = 56
Page-4-total = 153
Page-5-col-1 = 57
Page-5-col-2 = 20
Page-5-col-3 = 56
Page-5-col-4 = 39
Page-5-total = 172
Page-6-col-1 = 12
Page-6-col-2 = 14
Page-6-col-3 = 12
Page-6-col-4 = 22
Page-6-total = 60
Page-7-col-1 = 28
Page-7-col-2 = 19
Page-7-col-3 = 35
Page-7-col-4 = 34
Page-7-total = 116
Page-8-col-1 = 13
Page-8-col-2 = 28
Page-8-col-3 = 26
Page-8-col-4 = 44
Page-8-total = 111
Page-9-col-1 = 24
Page-9-col-2 = 44
Page-9-col-3 = 49
Page-9-col-4 = 27
Page-9-total = 144
Page-10-col-1 = 15
Page-10-col-2 = 27
Page-10-col-3 = 30
Page-10-col-4 = 32
Page-10-total = 104
Page-11-total = 8
Total = 106+153+172+60+116+111+144+104+8 = 974
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-03-2012
Now we start to look at ratios
Han Ratio = 974 / 25300 = 3.8 %
Inferred IQ = 135 - 26 = 109
Indian Ratio = 184 / 4900 = 3.7%
Inferred IQ = 135 - 26 = 109
Assume SIB = 600
SIB ratio = 89 / 600 = 14.8%
Inferred IQ = 135 - 15 = 120
Assume NIB = 300
NIB ratio = 19 / 300 = 6.3%
Inferred IQ = 135 - 23 = 112
In California, my guess is SIB outnumber NIB by a factor of 2
Dravidian castes = 1200 ( lots of telegus etc )
Dravidian, L1, ratio = 25 / 1200 = 2.1%
Inferred IQ = 135 - 30 = 105
'Aryan' R1A ratio = 159 / 3700 = 4.3%
Inferred IQ = 135 - 25 = 110
My guess for the 5 point IQ drop from R1A to L1 is banging their first cousin
The PSAT measures the top 1 % of people who actually take the test, but many on the lower side IQ dont take the test, and National merit is more like 140 IQ
If you look at SIB, 15% make the cut-off
A 15% cut off is 1 SD above the mean
Cut-off = 135 IQ
1 SD below = 120 IQ
SIB-mean = 120 IQ ( regression to mean of CA-SIB )
Roughly 2% of the Dravidian castes make the cut-off, which means that Mean Dravidian IQ in CA,
is 2 x SD below 135, or 105
Which is why the dravidianist Fetnaites could never compete
My guess is that if SIB had been based in Guj, instead of TN, there would have been a lot less jealousy from Patels
for the following reasons - both are veg, and both are roughly similar looking
The Real Indian IQ - dhu - 02-04-2012
Gsubramaniam,
Although I do not believe in the notion of "progress" within the heathen traditions, Sulbasutras may represent an additional focus to those of the usual traditions.
Now that Balagangadhara's view of the Monotheist origin of "science" has been called into question (it was always tenuous), it is possible to connect in a general way the algorithmic (represented by the Sulbasutras) to the inferential. The computational would be an intermediary step.
Sulbasutras were, of course, distributed out of Punjab to ME and from there distributed elsewhere.
This would also mean that redemption in the computational and inferential is possible for those heathens otherwise written off.
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-04-2012
[quote name='dhu' date='04 February 2012 - 06:43 AM' timestamp='1328317517' post='114377']
Gsubramaniam,
Although I do not believe in the notion of "progress" within the heathen traditions, Sulbasutras may represent an additional focus to those of the usual traditions.
Now that Balagangadhara's view of the Monotheist origin of "science" has been called into question (it was always tenuous), it is possible to connect in a general way the algorithmic (represented by the Sulbasutras) to the inferential. The computational would be an intermediary step.
Sulbasutras were, of course, distributed out of Punjab to ME and from there distributed elsewhere.
This would also mean that redemption in the computational and inferential is possible for those heathens otherwise written off.
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I dont understand the concept of progress
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-04-2012
California has 1950 slots for National Merit
With 975 ( 50% ) taken by Han
and 184 ( 10% ) taken by Indians
Only 40% are left for whites, muslims and jews
Total White = 131k from STARS
National merit slots = 1950 - 974 Han - 184 Hindu - 26 muslim - 120 jew = 646
646 / 131k = 0.5%
Inferred White IQ = 135 - 38 = 97
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-04-2012
So who is a Nishad,
Ekalavya was a Nishad. Today, Nishads are a MBC in Bihar / UP
They are predominantly Y-DNA H1
They are not 'dravidian' castes, who are predominantly, Y-DNA-L1
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/SocB1gb16v-cZE-p-53pGw
This has an image of Ram Vilas Paswan,
On his right is his Punjabi-brahmin 2nd wife ( Paternal Y-DNA-R1A ) and on his left are his
kids from his first marriage, ( Y-DNA-H1 )
H1 is roughly 40% of Indian Y-DNA, and predominantly found in Caribbean Indians
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-04-2012
Very roughly H1 starts at Yadav level or below in North India
In Haryana, Yadav is R1A, but in bihar it is more likely H1
Kanshi Ram is very likely R1A, but Mayawati is H1 and Bandit Queen - Phoolan Devi was H1
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-04-2012
What this means is that for biological and political reasons, quota system is likely permanent in India
The other is a pressing need for lots of Bihar-Super-30 programs targeting H1 type groups
Simply giving them a quota is only a short term palliative
IQ enhancing methods of teaching like Direct Instruction ( which raised IQ by 10 ) should also be targeted on H1
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-04-2012
I am using euphemism and short-cuts
There is no pure caste
There is a lot of over-lapping
R1A cluster, consists mainly of Y-DNA, R1A, R2, J2A, - This is found mostly above Yadav level in North India and Nairs and SIB in South India.
R1A cluster is also found in Europe, and is the 'Aryan' gene cluster
H1 cluster - consists mainly of Y-DNA H1, found mostly among NI-OBC, MBC, Dalit
L1 Cluster- consists mainly of Y-DNA L1, found mostly among 'Dravidian' castes in south India
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-07-2012
http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?279779
has samples of the PISA test in which TN and HP scored at Negro levels
These test reading comprehension and math comprehension than brute force mathematics or plain reading
The Indian school system is pure rote and discourages thinking, even in most good schools, and yes the lousy performance is more due to
teaching methods than IQ
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-09-2012
California, National Merit Semifinalists, 2012, islamic names
My guess is that total muslims in grade 11 = 4900, same as Indians
Page 3 = 3
Page 4 = 3
Page 5 = 6
Page 6 = 5
Page 7 = 3
Page 8 = 1
Page 9 = 3
Page 10 = 2
Total = 26
Strike Rate = 26 / 4900 = 0.5 %
Implied IQ = 135 - 38 = 97
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-11-2012
Indians from Surinam, in Netherlands, 2nd generation, score 88 IQ
These are primarily H1, Nishad
Assume that 50% of India is Nishad, 88 IQ with Nutrition
In UK, Patels and Sikhs, both R1A, nearly score at white levels
Assume 25% of India is R1A, has no quota, 100 IQ
Assume 25% is Dravidian castes, L1, about 0.5 SD below R1A, 92 IQ
Mean Indian IQ with Nutrition = 88 x 0.50 + 92 x 0.25 + 100 x 0.25 = 92
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-11-2012
In the PISA test for math, the scores are as follows
5th percentile, 50th percentile and 95th percentile
Russia = 329, 468, 609
Brazil = 261, 386, 531
TN = 241, 351, 468
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In brazil, the 5th percentile is a full blooded negro and the 50th percentile is a mullato
TN 5th percentile has negro IQ and TN 50th percentile has mullato IQ
The real shocker is the lack of top end in TN
95th percentile in TN = 50th percentile in Russia
TN is about 1.5 SD below Russia
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-11-2012
In the PISA test for math, the scores are as follows
5th percentile, 50th percentile and 95th percentile
Russia = 329, 468, 609
Brazil = 261, 386, 531
TN = 241, 351, 468
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In brazil, the 5th percentile is a full blooded negro and the 50th percentile is a mullato
TN 5th percentile has negro IQ and TN 50th percentile has mullato IQ
The real shocker is the lack of top end in TN
Tambrams are only 2% in TN, and are concentrated in certain areas and schools and likely not tested
At the 5th percentile, you are running into Dravidianist FETNAite castes
Mean Russian IQ is 94. The 95th percentile in TN is not malnourished and is a wealthy dravidian caste
Which means top level dravidian castes are at 94 IQ with nutrition
95th percentile in TN = 50th percentile in Russia
TN is about 1.5 SD below Russia
The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-11-2012
http://www.ei-india.com/wp-content/uploads/Main_Report_StudentLearningStudy_2010_by_Educational%20Initiatives1.pdf
Has a detailed study of all Indian states using PISA type methodology
The state ranking is
Delhi
Kerala
Maharashtra
Orissa ( surprise )
Karnataka
Punjab
Haryana
Chandigarh
Uttarkhand
Tamil Nadu
All India average
Bihar ( surprise )
Jharkand
Gujurat ( surprise )
Andhra ( surprise )
Assam
Chattisgarh
Rajasthan
MP
Jammu Kashmir ( surprise )
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Orissa is scoring remarkably high, these are all govt schools
Some reasons, 9% brahmin pop