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Indian Missile News And Discussion - ramana - 12-10-2010 Kritavarma, it again reinforces the wisdom of the veterans "One flight test is worht a hundred ground test!" Also AIII was to be a tech demo for the A-V. so it wont be seen in too many numbers. I too think its stability problem in the F/S flight. Wonder if its same issue as AIII where the re-entrant jet heated up the cables. What time did the AIII first flight fail? ----------- Arun if this one weighs 1 tonne ie 2000 lbs what is the traditional breakdown based on itnernational practices? Indian Missile News And Discussion - Bharat_2009 - 12-11-2010 Article from May 2008 (The Hindu Business Line) Agni V, next goal of DRDO http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/05/10/stories/2008051051761000.htm From the article (May 10th 2008) "Buoyed by the success of Agni III, which the defence scientists said was ready for induction" "This gives us the confidence that no more development flights are requiredââ¬Â "Most of the systems for the Agni V would be from Agni III" "However, it would be a new design and has to go through the entire rigour. The design to delivery in missile is around seven years, he explained" Another article from The Hindu Business line "Agni-III ready for induction into Defence forces" (May 8th 2008) http://www.blonnet.com/2008/05/08/stories/2008050852041000.htm Agni III is under production since 2008. How many inducted? nobody knows !! Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 12-11-2010 [quote name='Arun_S' date='09 December 2010 - 08:58 AM' timestamp='1291864843' post='109734'] And this is excerpts on A2-AT from by missile page that was previously posted on BR. Sorry I have been so busy I have not yet hosted my material somewhere else for greater public good. Recent reports suggest 1.3 meter diameter. And I think this missile was secretly tested in early 2010, and with Ballistic Glide RV. Let us see the actual dimension when the fat lady sings tomorrow. [left] [/left][/left] [/quote] Some more excerpts from above article of mine: Quote:Agni-IIAT Configuration Each segment contain one grain of composite solid rocket fuel. From the higher resolution photo it is clear to me that
Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 12-11-2010 [quote name='Bharat_2009' date='10 December 2010 - 06:25 AM' timestamp='1291942078' post='109761'] Slightly Bigger image of Agni II (AT) Hypersonic Boost Glide Missile [url="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5sP7XwykNSM/TQENGImNj7I/AAAAAAAAC48/7rwKGFAOVfQ/s1600/A2+Prime+Photo+by+Karan.jpg"]http://4.bp.blogspot...to+by+Karan.jpg[/url] From Arun's article Agni II (AT) range is >4500 km @ 1000 kg payload and from one of his earlier comments >6000 km @ 600 kg payload[/quote] Given that the upper stage is 1 m dia, it would also contain lesser fuel (compared to my estimate of 5 years ago), per unit length. Once we know teh actual length of teh stage, I can estimate the fuel inside and using ROCKSIM tell its range versus payload. Incidentally at least 2 countries (space / missile orgs) have checked ROCKSIM and have found its results compares closely with their inhouse full fledged missile flight simulation software application. As my friend says, dont know what magic voodoo logic is the ROCKSIM, but it always gives the correct result. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 12-11-2010 [quote name='Bharat_2009' date='10 December 2010 - 06:25 AM' timestamp='1291942078' post='109761'] Slightly Bigger image of Agni II (AT) Hypersonic Boost Glide Missile [url="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5sP7XwykNSM/TQENGImNj7I/AAAAAAAAC48/7rwKGFAOVfQ/s1600/A2+Prime+Photo+by+Karan.jpg"]http://4.bp.blogspot...to+by+Karan.jpg[/url] From Arun's article Agni II (AT) range is >4500 km @ 1000 kg payload and from one of his earlier comments >6000 km @ 600 kg payload[/quote] Given that the upper stage is 1 m dia, it would also contain lesser fuel (compared to my estimate of 5 years ago), per unit length. Once we know teh actual length of teh stage, I can estimate the fuel inside and using ROCKSIM tell its range versus payload. Incidentally at least 2 countries (space / missile orgs) have checked ROCKSIM and have found its results compares closely with their inhouse full fledged missile flight simulation software application. As my friend tells me, dont know what magic voodoo logic is in the ROCKSIM, but it always gives the correct result. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Guest - 12-11-2010 [quote name='Arun_S' date='11 December 2010 - 11:16 AM' timestamp='1292087333' post='109791'] Given that the upper stage is 1 m dia, it would also contain lesser fuel (compared to my estimate of 5 years ago), per unit length. Once we know teh actual length of teh stage, I can estimate the fuel inside and using ROCKSIM tell its range versus payload. Incidentally at least 2 countries (space / missile orgs) have checked ROCKSIM and have found its results compares closely with their inhouse full fledged missile flight simulation software application. As my friend tells me, dont know what magic voodoo logic is in the ROCKSIM, but it always gives the correct result. [/quote] Arunji, 1. When you say A-IIP S/S has higher energy fuel, do you mean higher energy than HTPB/AP/Al combo used by ISRO for PS-3 stage on PSLV ? Also, the A-IIP S/S is made of FRP rather than carbon-fibre. What is used in A-III F/S and A-V T/S ? Would it be FRP or kevlar/carbon fibre ? 2. how long is the current setback likely to delay A-IIP and A-V ? Does it affect A-V ? 3. A-III should probably be pushed for now. The sooner operational trials take place, the better. 4. Hope the current A-IIP failure is not due to QC. That would be more worrying than a (minor) design flaw like in A-III test 1. This failure is more severe going by news reports. I guess each new missile is an altogether new animal in some sense. 5. Regarding canisterization, wont the high L/D affect prospects of canisterization ? Even for Brahmos and Shourya, L/D < 14 as far as I can see. Here, it seems to be higher... Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 12-12-2010 [quote name='Bharat_2009' date='10 December 2010 - 06:25 AM' timestamp='1291942078' post='109761'] Slightly Bigger image of Agni II (AT) Hypersonic Boost Glide Missile [url="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5sP7XwykNSM/TQENGImNj7I/AAAAAAAAC48/7rwKGFAOVfQ/s1600/A2+Prime+Photo+by+Karan.jpg"]http://4.bp.blogspot...to+by+Karan.jpg[/url] From Arun's article Agni II (AT) range is >4500 km @ 1000 kg payload and from one of his earlier comments >6000 km @ 600 kg payload[/quote] Given that the upper stage is 1 m dia, it would also contain lesser fuel (compared to my estimate of 5 years ago), per unit length. Once we know teh actual length of teh stage, I can estimate the fuel inside and using ROCKSIM tell its range versus payload. Incidentally at least 2 countries have checked ROCKSIM and have found its results compares closely with their inhouse full fledged missile flight simulation software application. As my friend says, dont know what magic voodoo logic is in the ROCKSIM, but it always gives the correct result. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 12-12-2010 [quote name='Kritavarma' date='11 December 2010 - 11:56 PM' timestamp='1292091488' post='109793'] Arunji, 1. When you say A-IIP S/S has higher energy fuel, do you mean higher energy than HTPB/AP/Al combo used by ISRO for PS-3 stage on PSLV ? [/quote] No. Just that its higher then earlier version Agni-II Quote:Also, the A-IIP S/S is made of FRP rather than carbon-fibre. What is used in A-III F/S and A-V T/S ? Would it be FRP or kevlar/carbon fibre ? FRP is a generic name for all kinds of composite material, that includes the specific one that you named. As for specifics, why go there? Quote:4. Hope the current A-IIP failure is not due to QC. That would be more worrying than a (minor) design flaw like in A-III test 1. This failure is more severe going by news reports. I guess each new missile is an altogether new animal in some sense. Quality process in engineering is different from production QC. This is still engineering IMHO. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Guest - 12-12-2010 [quote name='Arun_S' date='11 December 2010 - 08:56 PM' timestamp='1292122090' post='109800'] No. Just that its higher then earlier version Agni-II FRP is a generic name for all kinds of composite material, that includes the specif cone that you named. As for specifics, why go there? Quality process in engineering is different from production QC. This is still engineering IMHO. [/quote] Reg. FRP, I now understand. I mistakenly thought FRP= glass-fiber reinforced plastic, which is a specific composite material. Regarding propellant, read that USSR SS-20 used "OPAL" type, which is HTPB/AP/Al/HMX or HTPB/AP/Al/RDX ... these have better energy levels..there was some indication in a DRDO publication that LRSAM uses such a propellant (maybe without Al). So, hopefully, Agni series eventually get the same kind.. Qual. process. in engg. different from production QC even if the same organization (BDL) makes dev. prototypes as well as production model ? Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 12-13-2010 Quote:The middle joint is intriguing. Is it a joint for the two sections that form the F/S? What I mean is the F/S casing is made of two segments which are joined together and the propellent grain is cast continuous? Ramana, pls see my earlier post on the subject. It is segment joint for the 2 grains. Quote:Each segment contain one grain of composite solid rocket fuel. Indian Missile News And Discussion - ramana - 12-14-2010 When you say two segment construction what do you mean? the propellent grain is in two parts and the two segments are fastened together or is the casing in two segments and the propellent poured as one grain? ---- Got it: SRM case to case joints design Indian Missile News And Discussion - ramana - 12-14-2010 Arun, Maybe the joint between the two segments leaked? Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 12-14-2010 [quote name='ramana' date='14 December 2010 - 04:50 AM' timestamp='1292281969' post='109826'] Arun, Maybe the joint between the two segments leaked? [/quote] Dont think it has ever happened before for India. Indian Missile News And Discussion - ramana - 12-14-2010 The flight was still F/S powered. It cant be TVC re-entrant heating like in AIII. The report said oscillations. If there is a leak then the TVC has to correct and leads to oscillations. Indian Missile News And Discussion - tijojose - 12-14-2010 Arun.. there are some discussions on your Agni designs at livefist. You might want to check it out... Indian Missile News And Discussion - ramana - 12-14-2010 Tijo, It doesn't matter. Those are journalists and depend on handouts. Arun is an engineer and has been consistent in his conceptual designs. The best testimonial is the Shourya article and his estimate that A2P warhead will be based on AIII. No one except the project team had that info. As for those journos they dont know what is a boost glide re-entry vehicle(BGRV) and why India chose that design right at the begining. The author of the US & international efforts (Lightning Bolts) in that field acknowledges Arun in his foreward. BTW there is lot of resentment about his IDR articles for they have more credibility and are based on open sources while they depend on DRDO handouts and suttlebutt from chota peg sessions. Indian Missile News And Discussion - ramana - 12-15-2010 The A2P payload had a lot of patch antennas indicating the massive telemetry and signals processing in the payload. Can some one do a mapping of the number of patches on a A2P payload and AIII payload by color, size and shape. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 01-12-2011 Directly from the horses mouth that Indian long range strategic missile with MIRV are on roadmap as well as being developed. So much for the credibility of source that Unni or Aroor use and pine for to create a storm in the tea cup by vehemently insisting that no Indian missile will have MIRV capability. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> From [url="http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/nl/2010/december2010.pdf"]DRDO monthly newsletter[/url]. [url="http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/nl/2010/december2010.pdf"]http://www.drdo.gov....ecember2010.pdf[/url] Quote:ASL, Hyderabad Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 01-25-2011 From [url="http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/nl/2011/january.pdf"]http://www.drdo.gov....011/january.pdf[/url] BrahMos (Block III) Quote:BrahMos (Block III) Successfully Flight-tested This version is guru of 'S' maneuver that characterized Block-II. Clearly a missile that is razor sharp for taking out battalion and corp command and control hiding in any nook & crany (or buried under ground ) as well as key targets deemed critical for functional of the battalion/corp. Not to mention taking out missile silos hidden in mountain face that is facing away from Indian border. Indian Missile News And Discussion - Arun_S - 01-25-2011 Right direction, but that brings ISRO and DRDO to same level as pre-POK-II. To say US has lifted curbs on ISRO or DRDO is wrong because all the 3 & 4 letter shitty betty restriction that were designed for India after 1974 POK-I still applies. Export clearance raj is still intact at US commerce dept. [url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/7357500.cms?prtpage=1"]US lifts curbs on ISRO, DRDO[/url] Quote:Chidanand Rajghatta, TNN, Jan 25, 2011, 04.38am IST WASHINGTON: |