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Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-17-2009
Good news
Manvendra Singh BJP loses from Barmer
This guy went out of his way to be secular and funded madrasa improvement and trains to Pakistan to help the muslims travel to their relatives
This guy despite muslim ass kissing has lost
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-17-2009
The pub-drinking women, the flirting with muslim men, call-center fornicating, the sort of stuff that Pramod Mutalik opposed is very common among middle class hindu women
These are HINO
Hindu In Name Only
and mentally half-xtian
and a vote bank for congress
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-17-2009
I would like to add that Bollywood actively promotes this modernist lifestyle of semi-xtianity
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-17-2009
Treason by upper castes
Especially in north India, brahmins in UP seem to have voted for Congress
in large numbers
Vote banking by dalits is bad but somewhat forgiveable due to lack of education
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - ramana - 05-17-2009
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Mayawati blames muslims
angered by the blow to her prime ministerial aspirations, Bahujan Samaj Party president and Uttar Pradesh [Images] Chief Minister Mayawati [Images] on Saturday sought to blame her party's dismal showing in the Lok Sabha election on non-cooperation by Muslims and the "conspiracy" by different parties.
<b>"Very few Muslims voted for my party this time," </b>she told a hurriedly convened press conference at her home in Lucknow [Images]. <b>"We got the support of the Muslim community only in constituencies where we fielded Muslim candidates,"</b> she added.
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Why did she think she will get Muslim vote?
there is a story in here which people should look into and it might turn up something.
BTW, GS, MK Narayanan should get the credit for Muslim consolidation. the non TSP based terrorists attacks were like earlier period riots. Everytime an attack happened the nationalists would spit fire and brimstone and drive the Muslims into INC fold.
Mkaes one wonder about this.
Can someone indulge me and look into timeline to see the Ind Muj attacks and if there were elections in some part of the country where INC was in the fray?
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-17-2009
Ramana,
The BJP has won several seats with over 30% muslim vote
The muslim vote is like a sine wave
Its influence increases until 15%
and then due to spontaneous jihadism,
hindus start consolidating and maximum anti-muslim consolidation happens around 30% muslim vote
The 5 NDA assam seats, 3 NDA seats in north east bihar,
Philibit have over 30% muslim
I think hindus are very chanakyan on a local basis
Hindu unity sponaneously appears when muslims cross 20%
All the UP seats won by NDA have over 20% muslim
BJP is very strong in Hyderabad
The trick is to replicate it elsewhere
As for secularism
If people wanted secularism ,they would vote UPA
The only reason that people vote NDA is fear of abrahamism
How much of the muslim vote in bihar did Nitish get,
My bet is maximum 15% of the muslim vote of 16% of electorate
meaning net of 2.4%
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-17-2009
I think Mayawati believed her own hype of getting the muslim vote
Even in 2007, she only got 15% of muslim vote
In 2004, the muslims fooled the bjp into thinking that they will vote for NDA
so foolishly hajpayee campaigned with Bukhari and gave grants to madrasasa
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-17-2009
In Kerala, the problem is not the 45% minorities, It is the commies
Same in west bengal
For example in Goa, minorities are 40% but BJP regularly wins 1 of 2 seats
In JK, minorities are 65%, yet BJP sometimes wins Ladakh, Udhampur, Jammu
The permanent shift of minorities to congress is a very welcome development
First it will cause the demise of the SP, RJD, LJP, Commies
The congress will be back to its 1980 avatar
In 1980, the congress strategy was Upper castes + muslims + dalits
vs OBC castes
OBC castes were demanding Mandal type reservations and the upper castes were aligning with muslims to stop mandal
What has happened now is Mandal has been implemented
Its waves have subsided
And thanks to Mandir movement, there is much less hostility between hindu castes
So what will happen is Congress = Muslims + westernised hindus
BJP = Rest
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-17-2009
The lack of anti-incumbency against DMK
What has happened is that 15% of the TN population has been converted
and the church gave a fatwa for the DMK
expressbuzz
DMK may have the last laugh in Kumari
G Babu Jayakumar
First Published : 13 May 2009 04:03:00 AM IST
Last Updated : 13 May 2009 06:56:08 AM IST
CHENNAI: In an eleventh hour swing, DMKâs Helen Davidson could emerge victorious from Kanyakumari constituency as many churches in the district have identified her, during Sunday worship, as the candidate for their congregations to vote for.
Though Christian candidates traditionally had an edge in the communally polarised district, BJPâs Pon Radhakrishnan intitially had a bright chance of cornering the seat as the Christian vote bank was expected to split into three. Radhakrishnanâs opponents were three Christians - A V Bellarmine of the CPM, S Austin of the DMDK and Helen Davidson.
But then, the Sunday service in the various churches across the district seemed to have turned voters in favour of the DMK. While most Catholic churches
have openly declared Helen Davidson, who is also a Catholic, as their favoured candidate - not the other Catholic, Bellarmine - to clear the doubts of the community, some pentecostal congregations were told by preachers to vote for her.
Besides that, directions were given from many protestant
CSI church pulpits, too, to the faithful to favour the candidate of the âsecular front.â A few pastors are said to have named her and some have even identified the DMKâs election symbol- the ârising sun.â Till Sunday, it was thought that since Helen Davidson is a Roman Catholic, the dominant community of CSI Christian Nadars might favour Austin, who is one of them and had been an MLA and Rajya Sabha MP. It was also beleived that the resentment among Congress workers and the general public over the constituency not being allotted to the Congress party could turn voters against the DMK. Since Radhakrishnan, who was MP between 1999 and 2004, had endeared himself to sections of Christians through his âsoft nature,â many felt that a large section of CSI Christians would vote for him.
On earlier occassions, too, candidates from the Christian community had benefitted from such announcements.
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-17-2009
The BJP difference between Andhra and Kerala and Karnataka
In Karnataka, the BJP affiliates ran a strenous anti-conversion and anti-jihadi campaign in dakshin kanada and later latched onto the Lingayat vote bank as a base and now gets 40% of the vote
In kerala, there is some effort but the hindu vote is split among Commies, Congress and BJP
BJP won 7% of the vote
whereas in Andhra, in 1998 it had 18% of the vote on its own
It now has just 3% of the vote
Andhra will be easier to break in than TN, thanks to less dravidianism
The first step is to start a religious movement against conversions and jihadis
without a religious base, nothing can be built
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-17-2009
The hindu face for BJP in TN
Pon Radhakrishnan of Kanyakumari, lost by 50K votes came in 2nd
due to Fatwa by church
Use this guy to focus on anti-conversions
The brahmin chief of TN BJP lost his deposit in South Chennai, dump him
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-17-2009
I just read, that Rahul is going to keep 4th front out of cabinet
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-17-2009
The foolishness of outreach to xtians and muslims
They either want to kill us or convert us
If the BJP wants to do muslim-xtian outreach, why not vote congress
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-17-2009
<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+May 17 2009, 09:49 AM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ May 17 2009, 09:49 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The pub-drinking women, the flirting with muslim men, call-center fornicating, the sort of stuff that Pramod Mutalik opposed is very common among middle class hindu women
These are HINO
Hindu In Name Only
and mentally half-xtian
and a vote bank for congress
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So what is the ABVP/RSS/BJP etc answer for that? How are they countering it?
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-17-2009
<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+May 17 2009, 08:38 PM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ May 17 2009, 08:38 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The foolishness of outreach to xtians and muslims
They either want to kill us or convert us
If the BJP wants to do muslim-xtian outreach, why not vote congress
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Agree. BJP/RSS/ etc should have outreach programs for HINOs.
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-18-2009
<b>Indian MPs worth over Rs 3,000 crore</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Interestingly, the total asset size of the new MPs makes their congregation more valuable than a vast majority of the public companies in the country. There are close to 4,700 listed companies in India, out of which just about 150 companies have a market valuation of more than Rs 3,000 crore.
There are an estimated 300 MPs with assets worth Rs one crore or more in the new Lok Sabha, which is nearly double from the 154 in the 14th Lok Sabha. Telugu Desam Party's Namma Nageswara Rao, who has won the election from Khammam in Andhra Pradesh, leads the tally of MPs with assets worth about Rs 174 crore, followed by Congress leader and industrialist Naveen Jindal (Rs 131.07 crore). Jindal has won the election from Kurukshetra in Haryana for the second time.
A total of four MPs have assets worth more than Rs 100 crore and include Congress' L Rajagopal in Andhra Pradesh and NCP's Padamsinha Bajirao Patil from Maharashtra. These are followed by NCP's Praful Patel (Rs 89.9 crore), Congress' G Vivekanand (Rs 72.9 crore), Congress' Y S Jaganmohan Reddy (Rs 72.8 crore), Congress' Rajkumar Ratna Singh (Rs 67.8 crore), Akali Dal's Harsimrat Kaur (Rs 60.3 crore) and National Congress Party's Supriya Sule (Rs 50.4 crore).
Besides, there are Bahujan Samaj Party's Surendra Singh Nagar (Rs 49.2 crore), BJP's Shivakumar Udasi (Rs 48.2 crore), Congress' Preneet Kaur (Rs 42.3 crore), Congress' Annu Tandon (Rs 42.1 crore), Congress' Rajamohan Reddy (Rs 36.3 crore), Congress' Priya Dutt [Images] (Rs 34.9 crore) and Congress' Kapil Sibal (Rs 31.9 crore).
In terms of parties, <b>Congress has as many as 138 crorepati </b>MPs, followed by <b>Bharatiya Janata Party's [Images] 58</b>, <b>Samajwadi Party's 14 </b>and <b>Bahujan Samaj Party's 13</b>. Besides, there are <b>11 from Dravida Munnettra </b>Kazhagam, <b>nine from Shiv Sena </b>[Images], <b>eight from the Janata Dal - United, seven from NCP and six each from Biju Janata Dal </b>and Trinamool Congress [Images].
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Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-18-2009
<!--QuoteBegin-k.ram+May 17 2009, 08:43 PM-->QUOTE(k.ram @ May 17 2009, 08:43 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+May 17 2009, 09:49 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ May 17 2009, 09:49 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The pub-drinking women, the flirting with muslim men, call-center fornicating, the sort of stuff that Pramod Mutalik opposed is very common among middle class hindu women
These are HINO
Hindu In Name Only
and mentally half-xtian
and a vote bank for congress
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So what is the ABVP/RSS/BJP etc answer for that? How are they countering it?
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It needs somebody with a western education like Sandhya Jain etc to handle this segment
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-18-2009
In this election, the STs and OBC have voted in large number for BJP
The foolish semi westernised upper castes in the urban areas have voted congress
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-18-2009
TN vote %
DMK = 25
ADMK = 22
INC = 15
PMK = 5.7
MDMK = 3.7
CPI = 2.9
BJP = 2.3
CPM = 2.2
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-18-2009
Rajasthan
INC = 47%
BJP = 36%
BSP = 3%