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Indian Navy news and discussion - ravicv - 03-04-2010
[quote name='ankit-s' date='04 March 2010 - 09:03 AM' timestamp='1267721707' post='104817']
[size="6"]BAE Systems to provide mission computer systems for Indian Navy P-8I patrol aircraft[/size]
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BAE Systems is developing the mission computer system suite for the P-8I aircraft for the Indian Navy. The aircraft is a variant of the U.S. Navyââ¬â¢s P-8A Poseidon.
Developed by a Boeing-led team, the P-8I is a multi-mission maritime patrol aircraft with a broader range of capabilities to operate over land or water while performing anti-submarine warfare; search and rescue; and long-range intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance.
ââ¬ÅMaritime surveillance and patrol is becoming more and more important to effective defense,ââ¬Â said Donna Linke-Klein, director of mission computers and antenna solutions for BAE Systems. ââ¬ÅThe P-8I mission computer system provides superior interoperability for the future battle spaceââ¬Â.
BAE Systemsââ¬â¢ mission computer system suite for the P-8I is a flexible and ruggedized processing platform that can be configured to meet the general purpose, input and output, video, voice, and graphics processing needs for modern military battle management requirements.
The P-8A Poseidon is a long-range; anti-submarine warfare; anti-surface warfare; intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance aircraft. The Indian government selected Boeing to provide eight P-8I aircraft to fill its maritime patrol needs, replacing Tupolev Tu-142M aircraft.
BAE Systems will begin deliveries to Boeing in 2011.
http://www.defenseworld.net/go/defensenews.jsp?id=4224
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I believe that the notion of Trojan Horses began with the epic Helen of Troy! <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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Indian Navy news and discussion - Arun_S - 03-05-2010
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I believe that the notion of Trojan Horses began with the epic Helen of Troy! <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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Some say Trojan Helen of Italy
Indian Navy news and discussion - Arun_S - 03-05-2010
[quote name='qubit' date='03 March 2010 - 10:30 PM' timestamp='1267635120' post='104779']
Well said Arun_S! To add insult to injury, one operative in this regard (field of activity) has recently returned to India and instantly became an expert on nuclear strategy, writing articles with another "rent boy" on the wonders and benefits of an arsenal based on 20 KT pure fisssion weapons. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':angry:' /> Frankly, I wonder whether anybody who matters in the Indian defense establishment knows the basics and practical application of subjects like Side Channel Analysis, etc.... I was shocked to find out that the PMO used gmail to send email messages. For God's sake, how stupid and incompitent can these people get....................?
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MMS and his PMO sincerely thought Google to be a varient of Googlee (the Cricket bowling trick) thus an Indian company/entity !!
Indian Navy news and discussion - Guest - 03-05-2010
Lets's say that the PMO (including the PM) are full of hard working, honest, and patriotic individuals devoted to India's security and welfare!
Is that why (so far) there is no credible statement from MMS (the Firangi stooge under whose helm Quattrochi was let off) as to where did 50,000 crores from treasury vanished into the thin air?
Quote:Comptroller Auditor General (CAG) report has found a huge sum of (INR 50,000 crore / 500 Billion) unaccounted for and ââ¬Åmissingââ¬Â from the ââ¬ËCentral government coffersââ¬â¢.
Is this what you call security n welfare?
Just calculate for your own discomfort, how many T-90s equal to above missing amount!
Indian Navy news and discussion - Guest - 03-05-2010
[quote name='qubit' date='04 March 2010 - 11:54 PM' timestamp='1267726593' post='104821']
I believe that the notion of Trojan Horses began with the epic Helen of Troy! <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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Trojan horse is a well known Greek term when they fought Trojans (not Italy) and yes Helen was a daughter of Zeus. Without TROY there would not have been any Trojan Horses.
Indian Navy news and discussion - ravicv - 03-05-2010
[quote name='ankit-s' date='05 March 2010 - 03:11 AM' timestamp='1267787032' post='104852']
Lets's say that the PMO (including the PM) are full of hard working, honest, and patriotic individuals devoted to India's security and welfare!
Is that why (so far) there is no credible statement from MMS (the Firangi stooge under whose helm Quattrochi was let off) as to where did 50,000 crores from treasury vanished into the thin air?
Is this what you call security n welfare?
Just calculate for your own discomfort, how many T-90s equal to above missing amount!
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RE: Honest and hardworking individuals.... Ankit, haven't you heard of sarcasm? I've seen people get into trouble and even banned from forums because certain malicious and tainted individuals were described realistically, even if the description was civil and involved no &*^^*(*. These days, there is a false size 12 halo over the heads of certain undesirables. One hopes these times will come to pass! The specific instances you've cited are true, and I'm sure constitute just a fraction of what you know or what I could tell you. But,...........
Indian Navy news and discussion - Guest - 03-05-2010
[quote name='qubit' date='05 March 2010 - 06:39 PM' timestamp='1267794065' post='104864']
RE: Honest and hardworking individuals.... Ankit, haven't you heard of sarcasm? I've seen people get into trouble and even banned from forums because certain malicious and tainted individuals were described realistically, even if the description was civil and involved no &*^^*(*. These days, there is a false size 12 halo over the heads of certain undesirables. One hopes these times will come to pass! The specific instances you've cited are true, and I'm sure constitute just a fraction of what you know or what I could tell you. But,...........
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haven't you heard of sarcasm?
I could not smell it!
As you see I am zero on emoticons.....but anyway I got yr msg. Next time I will sink my eyeballs into yr signs, if this is how you express your tenor or temperaments.
Indian Navy news and discussion - ravicv - 03-05-2010
[quote name='ankit-s' date='05 March 2010 - 05:12 AM' timestamp='1267794247' post='104866']
haven't you heard of sarcasm?
I could not smell it!
As you see I am zero on emoticons.....but anyway I got yr msg. Next time I will sink my eyeballs into yr signs, if this is how you express your tenor or temperaments.
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It's one of the safest ways to say things and yet not say them!
Indian Navy news and discussion - Guest - 03-05-2010
It's one of the safest ways to say things and yet not say them!
You will be pinned anyway (not that safe), cause they are defined - akin to sign language for the deaf!
Indian Navy news and discussion - ravicv - 03-05-2010
[quote name='ankit-s' date='05 March 2010 - 05:48 AM' timestamp='1267796404' post='104869']
It's one of the safest ways to say things and yet not say them!
You will be pinned anyway (not that safe), cause they are defined - akin to sign language for the deaf!
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Well, it does give some measure of a CYA policy. In any case, there's no safe insurance except that provided by the likes of AIG, etc. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> Getting to matters of mutual interest, a good forum member sent me some material on the Indian hypersonic effort. I'll go through it and put down what I can glean IMHO. At a first glance however, to say it is non-trivial would be a severe understatement!
Indian Navy news and discussion - manish - 03-06-2010
According to reports shivalik is to be inducted on 12 April but the Dhimmi top brass of navy are waiting for our chor prime minister to do official ceremony.What a shameless attitude of the the navy that instead of inducting the ship as fast as possible since its many years overdue they are waiting for the P.M.
Indian Navy news and discussion - Guest - 03-08-2010
[size="6"]Desperate step? Govt OKs 2000cr more for Scorpenes[/size]
NEW DELHI: In a bid to rescue India's underwater combat arm from sinking any further, the government has approved a huge cost escalation in the already mammoth Rs 18,798 crore project to construct six French Scorpene submarines at Mazagon Docks in Mumbai.
The Cabinet Committee on Security has given the formal nod to pay around Rs 2,000 crore more to French company DCNS\Armaris to get MPM (MDL procured material) packages for the submarines. These are crucial since they include all major systems connected with sensors, propulsion and the like for the vessels.
Despite both China and Pakistan rapidly bolstering their submarine fleets, the Scorpene project (P-75), under which one vessel was to roll every year from 2012 onwards, is already running over two years behind schedule, as was first reported by TOI.
Moreover, the government continues to dither over the proposed Rs 30,000 crore programme, called Project-75I, for the second line of next-generation submarines despite Navy pressing the panic buttons for its quick finalisation.
The main reason for the Scorpene project's delay has been the protracted negotiations for the MPM packages, with DCNS hiking its demand from around 400 million Euros to 700 million Euros for them.
This issue should have been sorted out when the Scorpene project ââ¬â MDL is fabricating the hulls but has nothing to put inside them at present ââ¬â was finalised in October 2005 itself. "It was a major goof-up by the defence ministry," said a source.
The main Rs 6,135 crore contract at that time was inked with M/s Armaris (DCN-Thales joint venture) for transfer of technology, combat systems and construction design, while the second one for Rs 1,062 crore was with M/s MBDA for sea-skimming Exocet missiles. The third Rs 5,888-crore contract was signed with MDL for indigenous submarine construction, with another Rs 3,553 crore earmarked for taxes and Rs 2,160 crore towards other items to be acquired during the project.
CAG reports, too, have blasted the government for taking nine years to finalise the Scorpene deal, which led to increase in the project cost by Rs 2,838 crore. Navy, on its part, has reason to be worried over the delays in P-75 as well as P-75I since it will be left with only nine out of its present fleet of 16 diesel-electric submarines (10 Russian Kilo-class, four German HDW and two virtually obsolete Foxtrot) by 2012-2013.
The number may further dip to just five by 2014-2015.
This when Pakistan is now looking to induct three advanced Type-214 German submarines, equipped with AIP (air-independent propulsion), after inducting three French Agosta-90B submarines, with the last one PNS Hamza even having AIP. China, in turn, has a staggering 62 submarines, with around 10 of them being nuclear-propelled, and at least one Xia-class and two Jin-class being armed with long-range nuclear missiles.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Desperate-step-Govt-OKs-2000cr-more-for-Scorpenes/articleshow/5652936.cms
Indian Navy news and discussion - Guest - 03-11-2010
[size="6"]Scorpene deal: PAC slams defence ministry[/size]
Slamming the Defence Ministry over the nine-year delay in awarding contract to French firm Thales to build six Scorpene submarines in Mumbai , a Parliamentary Committee on Wednesday said the indecisiveness resulted in cost overruns and undue favour to the vendor, besides adversely impacting Navy's operational preparedness.
Referring to a Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) report for 2008 that rapped the Ministry for the delay, the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) also noted that this led to a cost escalation of the submarines by more than Rs 2,800 crore.
The CAG report had observed that "despite the Indian Navy's depleting force level, the Ministry took nine years to finalise a contract for the construction of the six submarines." The PAC report in this regard was tabled in both Houses of Parliament today.
The committee noted that due to the delay in the finalisation of the contract for as long as three years from 2002 to 2005, there had been an escalation in the price of submarines by more than Rs 2,800 crore and an additional Euro 27.05 million commitment on the procurement of missiles for the naval vessel.
"Such indecisiveness and systemic flaws on the procurement of submarines led to time and cost overrun and undue favour to the vendor besides adversely impacting Navy's operational preparedness," the report said.
The report said the cost overrun was primarily due to escalations of exchange rate variations and increase in cost of missiles, despite a discount of 1.03 per cent by the vendor.
Seeking an explanation from the defence ministry for the delay in finalising the contract and for cost overruns, the PAC also expressed astonishment over its "inability" to quantify the exact financial loss from the Scorpene deal, also known as Project-75.
Expressing concern over the Ministry accepting an "unproven" design of Scorpene, the report said "deviations in respect to prescribed parameters such as stability, speed, endurance, noise levels, manoeuvring performances of the submarine cannot be ruled out" and asked the Ministry to compel Thales to take corrective steps. Referring to the Ministry's reply attributing the delay on forwarding of Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) note to Finance Ministry for examination and reference to Central Vigilance Commission (CVC), followed by several rounds of deliberations, the report said the process was "too cumbersome" and asked it to dispense with the CVC route.
"It (CVC route) is unnecessary and totally uncalled for and resultantly leads to unacceptable delays, as has happened in the instant case," it added. Noting that the construction of the Scorpene at the Mumbai-based Mazagon Docks was very slow and consequently the delivery could be delayed, the PAC said the Ministry should have taken into account the "teething problems and the time taken for absorption of technology" before awarding contracts and indigenisation.
What caused concern in the PAC was the "systemic deficiencies", as corroborated by the defence secretary, who talked about "problems in the system, mindset and in the whole process" of procurement.
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/mar/10/scorpene-deal-pac-slams-defence-ministry.htm .
Indian Navy news and discussion - Guest - 03-11-2010
[size="6"]Gorshkov price finalised on Putin visit's eve[/size]
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New Delhi: After a three-year long renegotiation, the fresh price of Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier was on Wednesday finalised at USD 2.35 billion by the government, a day ahead of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's two-day visit to India.
"The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS), which met here today, has given its approval to the fresh price for Gorshkov," a Defence Ministry official said here.
India and Russia are likely to conclude the fresh contract for the aircraft carrier, bought by the Navy in 2004 and rechristened INS Vikramaditya, during Putin's stay in the capital.
The warship, purchased originally at a price of USD 974 million, is currently undergoing a refit at the Russian Sevmash shipyard.
Since 2007, the shipyard sought a hike in the price for the warship's refit programme and had revised the cost of the project twice to demand USD 2.9 billion.
However, India had conveyed that it would not go beyond USD 2.2 billion as a revised price for the project.
After renegotiation of the price for three-long years, the two sides finally arrived at a figure for the refit programme six months ago, but it had to go to the CCS for a final stamp of approval, which it received today.
Along with the warship, India had also bought 16 MiG-29K naval fighter aircraft for USD 526 million. The first four of these fighters were delivered to India on December 4 last and were inducted into the Navy on February 18 this year.
The delivery of Gorshkov, which was originally scheduled for December 2008, has already witnessed a delay due to the price negotiations for the refit project and India had to push the Sevmash shipyard to hasten the programme for rescheduled delivery in 2013.
During Putin's visit, the two sides are also expected to sign a few more defence deals worth USD four billion, including the final agreement for joint manufacture of fifth generation fighters, additional MiG-29K fighters for USD 1.2 billion and joint development of a multirole transport aircraft.
India is also expected to place orders for 40 more Sukhoi Su-30MKI multi-role fighters for the Indian Air Force.
http://www.zeenews.com/news610199.html
Indian Navy news and discussion - Arun_S - 03-12-2010
Ankit bhai: Pls don't jeopardize India Forum owners and moderators by not stating teh source of teh news report that you post.
Rahem bhai rahem !!
Indian Navy news and discussion - Guest - 03-12-2010
[quote name='Arun_S' date='12 March 2010 - 04:54 AM' timestamp='1268349387' post='105098']
Ankit bhai: Pls don't jeopardize India Forum owners and moderators by not stating teh source of teh news report that you post.
Rahem bhai rahem !!
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Arey bhul gaya tha.....
Indian Navy news and discussion - Naresh - 03-13-2010
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[url="http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=news.item&news_id=604113"]The Elephant at Sea: India's Maritime Strategy[/url]
March 10, 2010
In the next decade, India plans to introduce 40 new warships and 400 new aircraft to its naval forces. Such efforts reflect a dramatic maritime transformation now underway in Indiaââ¬âone meant to improve Indiaââ¬â¢s power projection capabilities at sea and to produce a blue-water navy. On March 9, the Asia Program, with co-sponsorship from International Security Studies, hosted an event on Indiaââ¬â¢s maritime strategy and growing maritime power.
Arun Prakash, chairman of the New Delhi-based National Maritime Foundation and a former Indian naval chief of staff, traced the historical evolution of Indiaââ¬â¢s maritime strategy. He described a ââ¬Åseafaring traditionââ¬Â older than that of ancient Greece, highlighting trade relations with Persia, Mesopotamia, and Rome that extend back to 2000-3000 BCE. Still, only in the last few decades has India held ââ¬Åsuch great maritime ambitions.ââ¬Â Prakash articulated four factors driving this new desire for naval expansion. One is globalization. Free trade is propelled by the sea, and sea-based commerce requires maritime security. A second factor is the imperative of coastal security, particularly in the aftermath of the 2008 attacks on Mumbaiââ¬âwhich were carried out by terrorists arriving in Mumbai via the sea. Third is Indiaââ¬â¢s ââ¬Åadversarialââ¬Â relationship with China; the Indian Ocean has become a ââ¬Ådecisive arenaââ¬Â in the rivalry. And finally, Indiaââ¬â¢s economic growth has given the country the financial capacity to pursue its expanded naval plans.
Siddarth Srivastava, a New Delhi-based independent journalist, spoke of the domestic issues that influence Indiaââ¬â¢s maritime strategy. One major factor is politics. The completion of the U.S.-India civil nuclear dealââ¬âwhich took up much of the previous Indian governmentââ¬â¢s energiesââ¬âhas now enabled security and defense to become ââ¬Åkey focus areasââ¬Â for the present governing coalition, while the increasing marginalization of Indiaââ¬â¢s leftist political parties will allow for a rise in the role of domestic private enterprise (including in the naval arms sector). Srivastava predicted many new contracts for the shipping industry, and reported that some major Indian firmsââ¬âincluding the Tata Groupââ¬âare pursuing ââ¬Åbig defense contracts.ââ¬Â However, he acknowledged that inefficiency and bureaucracy continue to hamper the growth of Indiaââ¬â¢s defense industry, and noted that most of Indiaââ¬â¢s defense acquisitions are still obtained abroadââ¬âespecially from the United States and Israel.
Andrew C. Winner, a professor at the U.S. Naval War College, spoke of opportunities for U.S.-India cooperation on maritime issues. He argued that maritime cooperation is easier than other types of security cooperation, because it can occur off land and away from the media. He highlighted some promising developments. Both countries published maritime strategies in 2007, with both taking similar approaches to maritime power. Additionally, both documents mention similar focus issues (from humanitarian assistance/disaster relief to counterterrorism and deterrence of great power conflict). Yet Winner characterized such convergences as a mere cooperative ââ¬Åframework.ââ¬Â He called for more progress, toward a ââ¬Ålong-term vision of where the maritime relationship will be in 10 years.ââ¬Â Attaining such progress will necessitate surmounting a number of barriers and obstacles to deeper cooperation, including differing views about the transfer of particularly sensitive technologies.
The panel concurred that Indiaââ¬â¢s maritime expansion plans are still very much a work in progress. Prakash and Srivastava described the difficulties Indiaââ¬â¢s naval leadership has experienced in impressing upon its civilian counterparts the importance of an expanded navy, and of strategic shifts in general. Prakash attributed this resistance to the ââ¬Åearthyââ¬Â politician in India who is too busy thinking about re-election to concern himself or herself with strategic matters. Meanwhile, Srivastava recounted the recent setbacks India has suffered in its defense industry. Yet according to Prakash, the stakes are high: A naval arms race ââ¬Åis all around us,ââ¬Â he warned, [color="#FF0000"]and India is ââ¬Åalready losing[/color].ââ¬Â
Note : [url="http://www.wilsoncenter.org/ondemand/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.play&mediaid=49D35A1F-DBE0-DE74-D60F3D17927B1266"]Watch the video of this event on Wilson OnDemand[/url]
Cheers
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Indian Navy news and discussion - Kalki - 03-21-2010
http://sify.com/news/brahmos-supersonic-cruise-missile-successfully-test-fired-news-national-kdvqOgffegg.html
Brahmos supersonic cruise missile successfully test fired
2010-03-21 16:50:00
India on Sunday successfully test fired Brahmos supersonic cruise missile from a vertical launcher fitted in a moving warship INS Ranvir off the Orissa coast.
The missile performed supersonic maneuvering following the exact flight path and homed on to the decommissioned target ship INS Meen.
Dr. A S Pillai, CEO and MD of BrahMos Aerospace confirmed the news and said, "The launch met all mission requirements and was 100 percent successful."
This would mean that the missile, which has a range of 290-km and flies at a speed of 2.8 Mach, can take on a target lying anywhere in the 360-degree range of the ship.
Senior Naval officials, who witnessed Sunday's launch, termed it a "landmark event."
President Pratibha Patil and Defence Minister A K Antony congratulated the missile scientists and naval officers for the successful launch of the supersonic cruise missile.
DRDO along with Russia's NPO Mashinostroyenia is jointly designing and developing the BRAHMOS missiles, which are capable of carrying conventional warheads up to 200 -300 kg and a range of 290-km, to be with the international regulations.
The state of the art Universal Vertical Launcher from which the missile was test fired has been designed and developed by BrahMos Aerospace and patented.
The launcher designed is to be fitted under the warship's deck, thereby protecting it from atmospheric conditions and imparting stealth to the weapon system. It also allows the missile to be turned to cover 360 degree.
With the latest launch, Brahmos has once again proved its mettle to be launched from both Vertical and Inclined configurations from Naval platforms.
The Army has plans to induct three regiments of Brahmos in near future to use the missile as a "precision first strike weapon." (ANI)
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Indian Navy news and discussion - Arun_S - 04-12-2010
From a forum friend, Google translation of an Russian original URL
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Indian Navy news and discussion - Naresh - 04-30-2010
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Arun_S, ankit-s et al :
Out of curiosity why does India not buy the 30 Year Old Oliver Hazard Perry Class or other ââ¬â say 30 Year Old ââ¬â US Navy retired vessels?
After all Indiaââ¬â¢s main Enemy-Adversary is Pakistan and it might make sense to buy Six of this Class Frigates along with other US Retired Warships to ward off as well as keep a watch on the Pakistanis and at the same time build up a Blue Water Navy for Indiaââ¬â¢s various other needs.
Grateful your evaluation and comments.
Cheers