Quote:India elephant blessings 'to stop' due to health risk

By Jill McGivering

BBC News



[image caption:] Elephants are social animals



Forest officials in the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu have asked temple custodians to stop their elephants from blessing Hindu pilgrims.



Their concern is that the practice could be damaging the more than 50 elephants kept in Hindu temples.

(These "forest officials" are crypto christians. The proof is in their pronouncement.)



The elephants are routinely forced to touch the heads of pilgrims with their trunks as a form of blessing.



But officials say the practice could be putting the animals at risk of tuberculosis.



They say the constant exposure to as many as 500pilgrims a day may be putting the elephants at risk of contracting diseases, including tuberculosis.



In recent years, four temple elephants have died after contracting tuberculosis.



A spokesman for the department in charge of temples says it will comply with the request.

(Must be cryptochristist in christo HRCE dept that's put in charge of temple affairs in TN.)



But one right-wing Hindu group responded by saying there should be more discussion before a decision was made.

(Look how the Hindu group is "right wing" merely for asking for more discussion on the topic. If it's Hindu and opposes christianist incursions, it MUST be right wing.

Meanwhile, the virulently anti-Hindu - obviously christo - cryptos are just 'neutral' "animal rights groups" and "forest officials"<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



Some animal rights groups have been lobbying for a long time for a total ban on temple elephants.



They say elephants are very social and intelligent animals and should not be forcibly isolated.

Quote:Christianity -A bundle of fabrications and imitations

26/02/2010 22:32:15



GSK Menon's Response to the usage of 'Pagan'as a derogatory term for non-Christians in Christian writings.



Christianity is not a religion, it is a bundle of fabrications and imitations. Take the case of Christianity in India, no Christian including the Bishops and nuns prefer a Christian name, everybody wants only a Hindu name, for eg look at the names of these convert bishops - Bishop Vijay Anand, Bishop Sunil Kumar, Bishop Pradhan, Brother Dhinakaran etc etc.



The Christians refuse to call these alien gods by their correct names, instead they have borrowed names of Hindu Gods & Goddesses, for eg; Amala, Vimala, Nirmala, Parameshwar, Mahesh, etc.

(NOT borrowed. Stolen. The way some christists kept names like Dion, Diana, even though this was strictly forbidden by the early church fathers and the church.)



Nowadays they are into full scale imitation of Hindu temple rituals, rites and customs. Thus you will find christian idols being fed Hindu dishes like kheer, laddoo and these being distributed as prasad. Is there any concept of prasad in their religion ? Nowhere else in any church in the world are these being done. Remember our Hindu brothers and sisters were converted by lure and guile by ridiculing as to how our Hindu idols ate ? Should we now not ask these converts as to how their alien idols are eating Hindu dishes ?



Temple rituals like procession on elephants, use of colour umbrellas, Hindu temple musical instruments, are all being shamelessly imitated. Even Dhwajastambhams are being erected which has no connection whatsoever with this desert religion. The Dhwajastambhams that are being erected in churches are exact replicas of those found in Hindu temples.



In Tamilnadu and Andhra converts are made to carry christian idols in palanquins like in Hindu temples !

(Already said: Rome Part II.)



Hindu lamps are currently the rage in churches. The Hindu traditional lamp is a representation of the Hindu trinity of Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva, how is this being used in churches ? Most of the christian converts are embarrassed to answer this.



Caste system is immensely popular among the converts, the bishops and nuns pretending to be Brahmins. They are getting themselves be called as Swamy, Purohit, Acharya etc.



In Kerala it is a big joke, every christian convert in the Travancore area pretends to be a descendant of a Namboodiri family. Imaginary lineage claims which are unverifiable are bandied about. I once challenged a Namboodiri pretender to undergo a DNA test. He fled from the place in no time lest his actual caste and genes are deciphered !



What is the meaning in such type of characterless people calling others as Pagans/Heathens ? Do they have any locus standi to call others as Pagans/Heathens ?

(The meaning? It's core christianism. That's all there is to it. In christian terminology, "polytheistic idolaters"=thorn in the sight of the non-existent jeebusjehovallah, see Bible=the working definition what has become known as pagani/heidenen since the conversion of Europe. The "locus standi" is their bible from where the differentiation originated. This differentiation is integral to christianism.)

Quote:2009

I have seen a palli perunnal in tsr last month in TV in which they lined up 60 elephants with Yesu thidamb.. think about that folks.

Quote:2010

Whatever we see today whether it is using elephants in festivals or singing Bhajans are all signs of desperation to hold on to their 21% population in Kerala.



According to the surveys 50% of Kerala Christians live like Hindus and wanted to come back to Hindu.

Quote:what Constantine had done for the Church. Behind the success of his reforms had stood the brute force of money.135 Vast sums were spent on the building of basilicas, and there were grand endowments of land to the Church. That land, moreover, was to be exempt from tax. Clerics were excused the burden of costly public offices, even personally subsidized. There were food allowances for Christian widows and nuns. To pay for it all, Constantine looked to a source of funds accumulated over centuries: the huge treasure house of precious metals lying to hand in the ancestral temples. Pagans, it has been nicely said, had financed their own destruction. 136 Julian's most pressing task in this connection was to do the same in reverse, to restore the temples as the perceived focus of public beneficia at the expense of the Church.137

Quote:Kidnapping of children, a big industry in Norway

[color="#0000FF"]Kidnapping of children, is a big industry in Norway. A grotesque instrument for criminals in and around the public administration.[/color]



Norwegian so-called “child protection service” is a grotesque criminal activity, as a tool for criminals in and around the public administration. There are very many children, parents and families who have had their lives destroyed by this grotesque business that threatens everybodys dearest and nearest values. While there are many who also benefits from and who earns on the kidnapping, catch hold, harassment, false documentation, torture, exploitation and out-plundering of children, parents and families. A very very big and central problem in Norway. In Sweden, Denmark, England and some other countries too.



Read more about this, for example, on the following links:

– africanpress.me/2007/02/20/[color="#0000FF"]barnevernet-child-protection-services-in-norway-destroy-families-says-professor-skaanland/[/color]

– www.fampo.no/cps.html



– hunwww.is/2012/02/11/[color="#0000FF"]norway-offers-residence-permits-in-exchange-for-children/[/color]

– hunwww.is/2012/02/11/more-from-russia-about-the-norwegian-terror-regime/



– forum.r-b-v.net/viewtopic.php?p=31595#p31595



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Quote:It is customary in these cases to accuse the parents of emotional abuse of their

children. This is characterised by a lack of consideration for the children, lack of

love and affection. However, what are the proofs for this accusation? [color="#0000FF"]The Norwegian

Children Welfare Services have only come up with hand-feeding, co-sleeping and

“wrong” breast-feeding.[/color] Contrary to what the Norwegian ambassador is implying,

there are no deep, dark secrets in this case. The parents have not been accused of

physically molesting their children nor have they been accused of sexual abusing

the children. So what are the reasons the CWS have confiscated the children?

Obviously, this is a difficult question for the CWS to answer because there is none.



from: Cecilie Bedsvaag – Posted on: Mar 1, 2012 at 16:54 IST

Quote:“As a reader, I am unable to evaluate if there was any risk at all to the children’s development, but surely I can see the risks created by the actions of the authorities. Isn’t that a bigger crime committed by the state, of denying a baby her breastfeed, and denying the mother the right to breastfeed her child ? Aren’t there Human Rights organisations in Norway? [color="#0000FF"]“On demand” feeding has been blamed. “On demand” breastfeeding will never become “overfeeding”. It is those strictly time-based feeding regimens that are suspect and constitute pseudo-science. The human body has its own intelligence and the baby will cry for food when he/she is hungry. All that is natural.[/color] Real science understands it perfectly too ! The family should take these authorities to court.



from: Kumar – Posted on: Jan 26, 2012 at 08:48 IST”

Quote:In a memorandum submitted to the President, the grandparents have said that Abhigyan had already lost his mother tongue. Both the children are traumatized as Barvevarne has arranged to keep them with foster families till 18 years. They have already broken the relation between the natural parents and the children, now they are going to snap the relation between the kids, they said.

Quote:Time cover shows mum breastfeeding son, 3

Fri May 11 2012



[...]

The Time article explores the rise of attachment parenting, a set of [color="#FF0000"]controversial[/color] [color="#0000FF"]techniques made popular by US pediatrician[/color] Dr William Sears [color="#0000FF"]which includes[/color] baby-wearing, extended breastfeeding and [color="#0000FF"]co-sleeping[/color].

Quote:[...]

It seems the mum's villainy in breast feeding was that she fed the cub when it asked for the milk, rather than according to some timetable determined by the Norwegian authorities as optimum feeding times for a baby:

Quote:“As a reader, I am unable to evaluate if there was any risk at all to the children’s development, but surely I can see the risks created by the actions of the authorities. Isn’t that a bigger crime committed by the state, of denying a baby her breastfeed, and denying the mother the right to breastfeed her child ? Aren’t there Human Rights organisations in Norway? “On demand” feeding has been blamed. “On demand” breastfeeding will never become “overfeeding”. It is those strictly time-based feeding regimens that are suspect and constitute pseudo-science. The human body has its own intelligence and the baby will cry for food when he/she is hungry. All that is natural. Real science understands it perfectly too ! The family should take these authorities to court.



from: Kumar – Posted on: Jan 26, 2012 at 08:48 IST”

[...]

Perhaps the American paediatrician association will soon patent this co-sleeping "technique" under this "attachment parenting" method?



But then, until christo nations start doing something as a fad, it is all "Evil heathen practice" onlee. And once the christonations adopt it, it becomes the new rage and is explained as "beneficial" to baby and helping it to bond well, learn well, socialise well and become well-balanced in life etc etc (summarised in that positive-sounding "attachment parenting" catch-phrase above).



Indeed, it's quite possible that tomorrow parents all over Norway will be doing the same, having learnt it in a manual. Anyone betting Norwegian kids won't be ripped from their parents then and thrown into Norwegian foster care?

Quote:When you feed affects your baby's IQ

By Pamela Allardice

Friday, July 13, 2012





Babies who are fed whenever they are hungry have higher IQs than those who are fed on a schedule, a new study has found.



The research — published in the European Journal of Public Health — suggests a significant difference in the mental abilities of "demand-fed" and "schedule-fed" babies.





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Researchers studied data from a child development study of more than 10,000 children between the ages of five and 14.



On average, children who were demand-fed as babies had IQ scores four or five points higher than those who were schedule-fed.



"This difference between schedule and demand-fed children is found both in breastfed and in bottle-fed babies," explains Dr Maria Iacovou, who led the research from ISER.



"The difference in IQ levels of around four to five points is statistically highly significant. However, at this stage, we must be very cautious about claiming a causal link between feeding patterns and IQ.



"We cannot definitively say why these differences occur, and more research is needed to understand the processes involved."





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The research is the first large-scale study to investigate the long-term outcomes of schedule-fed versus demand-fed babies.



It was carried out by researchers at the Institute for Social and Economic Research at the University of Essex and at the University of Oxford.



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Quote:In a memorandum submitted to the President, the grandparents have said that Abhigyan had already lost his mother tongue. Both the children are traumatized as Barvevarne has arranged to keep them with foster families till 18 years. They have already broken the relation between the natural parents and the children, now they are going to snap the relation between the kids, they said.

Quote:Three-year-old Abhigyan and his one-year-old sister Aishwarya are in foster care in Norway after the country's Child Protection Service charged their mother, Sagarika, with “negligence and unable to bring up” the children. Barnevarne, a child care service of Norway, took custody of the children in May last year when Aishwarya was just five months old and on breast feed.

A Norwegian court has now ruled that the two children would stay in different foster homes in until the age of 18, with the parents allowed to meet them only once a year for one hour. The court has, however, said that if the couple separated, it could give the custody of the children to the father Anurup Bhattacharya who is employed as a senior geoscientist in a multinational firm since 2006.

The couple fear the worst when their visa expires next month and they would have to return to India without their children.

Quote:Asian Women, Caucasian Men

It's a growing trend in the Bay Area's new multicultural world. But these relationships can bring with them social and psychological complications.

By Joan Walsh

San Francisco Examiner

December 2, 1990



[...] Doug Nishida, president of the predominantly Asian fraternity Lambda Phi Epsilon, pulled together a group of his friends to talk about the Asian women-white men phenomenon. Our conversation flashed back and forth between sociological theories and personal angst. Of the four, only Doug has a girlfriend right now, a trend they attribute at least partly to the preference of Asian women for white men.



All four have discussed the trend with friends, with family, in Asian-American Studies classes. They believe American culture - white culture - has sought to emasculate men of color, and see the same impulse that insulted black men with the term "boy" neutering Asian men. "Look at the Rambo movies, or The Karate Kid," says Bryan Nobida, whose heritage is half-Chinese, half-Filipino. "Look at all movies and TV. Asian men are either celibate, sexless or else we're rapists, [color="#FF0000"]someone that a white man should save a woman from.[/color] The Asian never winds up with the woman."



Like many Asian men (and some women), all four believe an urge to assimilate is behind the attraction to white men among Asian women. For Japanese-Americans in particular, the bitter experience of internment during World War II led to "shame about their culture and a strong desire to assimilate," Doug says. His parents were interned, as were Dave's. Both believe that traumatic experience helps explain an outmarriage rate of over 70 percent among Japanese-American women, and it disturbs them.



"If a Japanese-American man wants to preserve his culture, his choices are becoming increasingly limited," observes Dave, who has two uncles who are bachelors. "As an Asian-American, I can't complain," he says, because he thinks all races should be free to date whomever they want. "But as a man, I get very upset. It wouldn't be as bad if white women were dating Asian men, but they aren't." Of the four - all good-looking, funny, articulate - only Doug has ever dated a white woman, which shocked me, even though I know the statistics.



"So it's pretty upsetting," Dave continues. "It's a sexual thing, it's very primal - it's like your turf is being invaded, and it makes you angry."



The others laugh at his bluntness, but they mostly agree. "It wouldn't bother me as much if Asian women were also dating black men or Latino men," Bryan says. "But it's white guys. I've heard Asian women say they only date white guys. And it's because we live in a white culture. They do it for status. It's self-contempt."



Bryan's friends agree that the preference for white men among large numbers of Asian women reflects a self-loathing born of racism. Their consensus is a little too glib - it reminded me of gripe sessions with my girlfriends, in which we trash wayward boyfriends and other feckless men for "being threatened by strong women," "not being ready for a real relationship" and other mantras of self-protection, to mute the pain of personal rejection. But I felt for these guys nonetheless.



Ana Reyes and I are sitting over soft drinks at the Blue Danube, that Caucasian island on Chinese Clement Street, trying to analyze her preference for white men over Asians. At times, she's almost as pained by it as Doug Nishida and his friends. "I'd like to at least have a balance, date some Asians, date some whites," she says. "I mean, how thoughtless can I be, just seeing whites? I know it has a lot to do with socialization - the images of masculinity in our culture are definitely not Asian."



But, reluctantly, she blames some of it on Asian men. There's the sexism problem, but most important, for Ana, is what she calls Asian "conformity." Most Asians, she believes, are striving "for a mainstream life. They're heading towards yuppiedom. They're materialistic." Just then a horn starts blaring outside the cafe. A cherry-red Mazda RX7, just off the lot, has a short-circuit and the fade-coiffed Chinese-American youth at the wheel seems embarrassed but a tiny bit proud at the attention his new car is getting. We have to laugh. "See what I mean?" she jokes.



Yet the stereotyping Ana and I indulged in can feed on itself. It also gives white men more credit than they deserve: There are plenty of white guys driving around pricey phallic objects, but nobody ever thinks it's particularly white of them. "People tend to compare all Asian men to the top one percent of white men - the most elite, the most sophisticated, the most liberal, the most educated," observes Sonoma State's Larry Shinagawa. "They aren't less sexist or whatever because they're white, but because they've had more social opportunities than Asian men, and they're not limited by stereotypes."



Shinagawa and colleague Gin Yong Pang, a doctoral candidate in Ethnic Studies at UC-Berkeley, have coined their own term, "hiergamy," to explain intermarriage patterns, including the tendency of Asian-American women to marry white men. Hiergamy, says Shinagawa, holds that in marriage, people "try to maximize their status opportunities, and their sense of wholeness, in the context of a society that's stratified by race, class and gender."



That's a mouthful, but it works like this: Given a choice between Asian men - who have some economic clout but less social status - and educated white men - who have economic clout and social status, as well as the more liberal attitudes social acceptance can bring - many Asian women would choose the latter. The concept also explains why many white men marry Asian women, Shinagawa says: "They are bright, educated and articulate women, but in the racial fantasies of white men they have always been portrayed as submissive, domestic and sexy - qualities they think white women have abandoned for feminism." White men, in other words, are trading a little public status for some private happiness, a reasonable compromise under hiergamy.



[...]

Quote:Asiaphiles: Frequently Asked Questions

From an AsianAvenue Member Site

2001





What is Asiaphilia?

Asiaphilia is the objectification and exotification of Asian culture, including Asian women and Asian men. Often this is done without the perpetrator being conscious of it. On the contrary, he may think that his "preference" for Asian women is a form of flattery and tribute to the Asian culture. But what he has done is created an "other." This "other" is something that he can admire from a distance, that he does not have to engage in full. Essentially he is taking a culture and stripping it of its inherent worth, creating a perception of that culture that serves only him, and is beneficial to only him. He takes what is trendy or convenient and leaves the rest as carnage. This is a false and damaging appreciation of another culture. Most Asiaphiles will defend themselves on that assertion by saying that they have developed interpersonal relatinships with the Asian women they are with, making that women more than a "perception," into a "reality." While this is not a complete fallacy, these relationships more often than not are built on foundations of fetishization. It is very evident from the statement of alleged Asiaphiles on AsianAvenue that they approach women based strictly on a racialized perceptions. Clear examples of this come from members like Asian_Lover who say that "Asian girls are more educated and always dress nice," or Ilikecuteasians who asserts that Asain women have that "cute little Asian accent, and that `exotic` factor." These stereotypes are hamful to our community because it paints us as objects first and humans second, not to mention that these perceptions are complete fabrications of white male fantasy.



Where does Asiaphilia come from?

Contrary to popular belief, Asiaphilia, known in academic circles as "Orientalism," is not simply about innocent preference, like a man preferring blondes to redheads. Asiaphilia is insidiously rooted in colonialism and white supremacy. White men are distinctly responsible for colonialism and white supremacy. This separates white male Asiaphilia from that of all other non-Asians who "prefer" Asians as mates. When white men manifest their desire for Asian women or culture, they are revisiting hundreds of years of oppressive behavior. This prolonged position of dominance in society has created a mentality of entitlement for white men. White men feel that they are not only entitled to the percieved loots of Asian culture, but they feel they are entitled to pick and choose from that culture, as if they were shopping for heritage. The exotification of Asia comes from Western dominance and white supremacy. Thus when white men engage in Asiaphilia, the ramifications and power dynamics are completely different (though no less harmful) than if a black man or white women engages in it. The images of the docile, exotic, mysterious, dangerous, yet strangely alluring Asia is a white male concoction. This image was created to subordinate Asia and create a separatist mentaility to Asian people. Asia was the exotic "other." This mentality justified imperialism and most other injustices against the East at the hands of the West. It is ironic that white men think in order to break that separatist mentality they should engage in the very stereotypes that created the "otherness."



[...]

Quote:U.S. Military Prostitution in Asia

By Katharine H.S. Moon

Excerpted from Sex Among Allies: Military Prostitution in U.S./Korea Relations

Columbia University Press, 1997





The U.S.-Korean history of military prostitution shares many of the characteristics and tensions present in other sites of overseas U.S. bases, especially in Asia. The economic dependence of local camptown residents on the presence of U.S. troops is not unique to South Korea. For example, Takazato Suzuyo, a political activist on Okinawa, reported that Okinawa, which served as a R&R area to U.S. troops in Vietnam, lived off U.S. dollars:

Quote:In its heyday, there were more than 1,200 "approved" bars, night clubs, and restaurants on Okinawa, and soldiers spent money freely. B-52 bombers were taking off from Kadena [US Air Force] base almost every day to bomb North Vietnam, while returning soldiers from Vietnam, with their chest pockets filled with dollar bills, sometimes spent all their money in one night.

In Olongapo and Angeles in the Philippines, where the U.S. Subic Naval Base and Clark Air Force Base were respectively located (until the withdrawal of U.S. forces in 1992), "[t]here was virtually no industry except the 'entertainment' business, with approximately 55,000 registered and unregistered prostitutes and a total of registered 2,182 R&R establishments. By 1985 the U.S. military had become the second largest employer in the Philippines, hiring over 40,000 Filipinos. . . . The sum of their salaries amounted to almost $83 million a year."



Ideologies around race and nationality have also contributed to the social inequalities and conflicts, especially affecting prostitutes, in the U.S. camptown communities in Asia. Enloe writes that "[c]lass and race distinctions inform all social relations between the U.S. military and the host community." The racism demonstrated by American soldiers toward Asians in Vietnam and Korea are well-documented. Lloyd Lewis notes that "soldiers in all branches of the armed services [in Vietnam] recount receiving the same indoctrination" that the "enemy is Oriental and inferior." The racist terms for Vietnamese -- "gook, slant, slope, dink . . . or a half a dozen local variations" -- had all been employed previously by Americans [toward Japanese in World War II and Koreans and Chinese in the Korean War] to designate yellow-skinned peoples." Max Hastings has noted in his history of the Korean War that the"Eighth Army was forced to issue a forceful order" in the summer of 1951 that soldiers cease "to take a perverse delight in frightening civilians" and attempting to "drive the Koreans off roads and into ditches." The order concluded with"We are not in this country as conquerors. We are here as friends." Hastings also includes a comment by a Marine, Selwyn Handler: "Koreans were just a bunch of gooks. Who cared about the feelings of people like that? We were very smug Americans at that time." Bruce Cumings recounts the racism among Americans, soldiers and diplomats alike, in the late 1960s:"Their racism led them to ask me, because I was living with Koreans and they rarely ventured out to 'the economy,' things like whether it was true that the Korean national dish, kimch'i, was fermented in urine."



Racist stereotypes of Asians within the American society have mixed with sexist stereotypes of Asian women to foster American participation in camptown prostitution in Asia. The main military newspaper, Stars and Stripes, encouraged soldiers to explore Korea's "nighttime action," especially the kisaeng party, the "ultimate experience":

Quote:Picture having three or four of the loveliest creatures God ever created hovering around you, singing, dancing, feeding you, washing what they feed you down with rice wine or beer, all saying at once, "You are the greatest." This is the Orient you heard about and came to find.

A U.S. Army chaplain I interviewed in April 1991 noted the following:

Quote:What the soldiers have read and heard before ever arriving in a foreign country influence prostitution a lot. For example, stories about Korean or Thai women being beautiful, subservient--they're tall tales, glamorized. . . . U.S. men would fall in lust with Korean women. They were property, things, slaves. . . . Racism, sexism -- it's all there. The men don't see the women as human beings--they're disgusting, things to be thrown away. . . . They speak of the women in the diminutive.

[color="#800080"](See, even a US Army chaplain had to admit what the christian tour of duty in Asia does.

But why does CNN's selected tourist to India leave such things out, all in order to propagate their one-sided - and quite untenable - case for "all Indians are rapists and racist rapists too boot"? The media eagerly provides the unfortunate experiences of x many tourists in India, misusing these narratives as sobstories of persecution instead, and they combine their news reports/opinion pieces with the suddenly-popular interest in rape cases in India - though no one seemed to have really cared about the many victims before - all in order to use these to stab Hindu society with as the culprit: "Hindus are rapists, because Hindus are the majority in India, and Hindu men/society is therefore patriarchal". Minus the fact that it's really christoislamics and de-heathenised seculars that are the perpetrators, while Hindu and other Dharmic men of the country are the ones that continue to try to protect the womenfolk.

Such disingenuity in local and western media and commentators emerging from the woodwork to deliver their condemnation is deliberate, of course, and proves it all to be no more than orchestrated psy-ops. It is absurd how many Indian-origin anti-Hindu wom/men want appear from absolutely nowhere to chime in about the topic everywhere and are busy pointedly blaming Hindu religion about this - which shows they have an agenda and don't really care about the victims, just like they never cared about them before - when the same people were nowhere to be seen in all the many cases of islamic gangrape of Hindu Harijan women. Those were not committed by secular Indians bearing Hindu names, but faithful, clearly identifiable jihadis doing what islamics have always done: rape infidel women. And of course none of the Hindu-baiting critics will *ever* mention the systematic rape of Hindu Vanavasi women in the northeast by christian terrorist outfits like the NLFT. The silence of the Hindu-baiters shows that they are christian.



The real case of largescale sexual exploitation and rape of women - and which is entirely racist and christian in foundation - goes on in the instances exported by the christowest into Asian and African and other "3rd world" nations. And this is never covered in depth and over a prolonged period and in the international arena. At best it may get a once-off local coverage somewhere. And no one ever blames christianism of course. Yet the line from christianism to exploitation of "Hamitic" women is as clear and straight as the line connecting islamic jihad=islam and its equally-systematic rape and kidnap of kafiri women. But the monotheisms don't want all that in the news, let alone for the data to be analysed correctly with the blame apportioned to where it deserves to be.)[/color]



[color="#0000FF"]On Okinawa, U.S. servicemen from the Kadena Air Base "can be seen in town (Naha) wearing offensive T-shirts" depicting "a woman with the letters LBSM," which means "little brown sex machine." The "brown" refers to the Filipino and Thai women who constitute the majority of military prostitutes on Okinawa. Aida Santos reveals that Olongapo sells a variation on the theme--a popular T-shirt"bearing the message 'Little Brown Fucking Machines Powered with Rice.'" She emphasizes that in the Philippines, "[r]acism and sexism are now seen as a fulcrum in the issue of national sovereignty."[/color]



[color="#800080"](The last line: Philippines as a christian nation low-down in the christian hierarchy was specifically groomed for this. Like it or not, to christianism, that's what Hamitic christians are for. It is christianism that has reduced them to people who can't even say no to the aggressor, and every demur and objection from them is weak, half-hearted and becomes merely an excuse for the aggressor to continue terrorising them. Poor Filipinos, they should dump christianism. But they're stuck on the drug. Being heathen won't stop the aggressos - who'll be all the more criminal - but your No at least will be absolute, and a heathen govt won't be betraying its own population to side with alien christoterrorists just because they are higher up in the christion hierarchy.)[/color]



The presence of U.S. military servicemen in Asia generates significant social transformations that affect both the host Asian society and the American society across the Pacific. Thanh-dam Truong has asserted that the U.S. military's use of Thailand as the major R&R base for U.S. soldiers fighting in Vietnam has spawned the now booming sex tourism industry all across the country, winning Thailand the ignoble title, "Asia's brothel." Filipinos have charged that U.S. servicemen have brought AIDS and HIV into their country. Prostitutes in Olongapo, along with the umbrella feminist organization, GABRIELA, and health organizations, pushed the Philippine government to"obtain a guarantee that all U.S. service personnel coming into the Philippines be tested for HIV." In 1988, the Philippines Immigration Commissioner required all U.S. servicemen entering the Philippines to present certificates verifying that they are AIDS-free.



[color="#0000FF"]In addition, sexual relations between American men and Asian prostitutes have created a living legacy of mixed-raced children who are rejected by both their mother's and father's societies. Maria Socorro "Cookie" Diokno, an active leader in the Philippines' anti-base movement, has referred to the children born of American servicemen and Asian women as "Amerasian 'souvenir' bab[ies]." ABC's Prime Time (May 13, 1993) depicted Amerasian children in the Philippines who had been abandoned by their soldier-fathers and were living with their impoverished mothers, scavenging for food among heaps of rubble and waste. Enloe reports that "[o]f the approximately 30,000 children born each year of Filipino mothers and American fathers, some 10,000 [were] thought to become street children, many of them working as prostitutes servicing American pedophiles." Enloe adds that a Filipino "insider" has noted that many others have been sold, with "Caucasian-looking children . . . allegedly sold for $50-200 (around P1,000-4,000), whereas the Negro-fathered ones fetch only $25-30 (around P500-600)."[/color] Johnston's Mom in Songt'an, Korea, also tried to give up her sons to adoption, after earlier having given up a daughter. But in the end, she could not bear to do it and went back to prostitution in order to keep her boys. In the film, Camp Arirang, one barwoman in Songt'an laments the need to give up her half African-American son one day; black Amerasian children are most shunned in Korean society, so most mothers try to send them to the United States for a chance at education and a future. She has already torn up all photographs of herself with her son because she knows she must let him go. In a voice cracking with emotion, she calmly says, "All I want him to know is that he was born in Korea, that his mother is Korean, and that she is dead. It will be easier for him that way."



[color="#800080"](And that's another thing no one discusses: how christianism spreads its christian hobby of paedophilia all over Asia/Africa. Yet its truly epidemic. So christian is extra silent.

What makes the blue bit 'interesting' for another reason is the AmeriKKKan/general western sudden hobby of "adopting" [abducting] Asian/African/"ethnic" kids - even those stolen by christian orphanages from heathen parents and put into christian "orphanages" for the christowest to adopt. Yet the AmeriKKKans never seem to want to adopt the kids they had sired and then dumped and left behind to rot in Asian countries. <- Which is another way to tell that western adoptions of 'coloured' babies is no more than a passing fad for them. They don't really care. They never did. But if called on it, their retort is to play the Great Benevolent Intervention: "You people are so poor you can't even look after your own kids, you should be grateful we step in to 'save' them in our magnanimity/charity. Our adopt-a-3rd-world-baby fad is NOT racist because, look, we're adopting 'coloured' babies! Which proves we've overcome our past racism." <=circular reasoning> It's actually the old racism that's continuing, but morphed into its latest form.)[/color]



[color="#0000FF"]The withdrawal of U.S. naval bases from the Philippines in 1992 also left behind a legacy of approximately 50,000 Amerasian children in the Philippines, with an estimated 10,000 of them living in Olongapo, which had housed the U.S. Subic Naval Base.[/color] The law firm of Cotchett, Illston, and Pitre of Burlingame, California, filed a class action suit against the U.S. government on behalf of Amerasian children left behind in the Philippines in March 1993. The plaintiffs would"ask the federal court to order the Navy to provide funds for the education and medical care of these children until they reach 18 years of age." The prostitute-mothers of these children and several leading Philippine civic organizations, such as GABRIELA, as well as the Council of Churches, mobilized such legal action.



Asian societies have borne the burden of the painful repercussions of militarized prostitution, but the American society has not gone untouched. Many of the prostitutes who end up divorced from their GI husbands (an estimated 80% of Korean-GI marriages end up in divorce) go back into prostitution around military camp areas in the United States. In the film The Women Outside, officials from the Mayor's Office of Midtown Enforcement in Manhattan state that some U.S. servicemen have been paid by flesh traffickers to marry women in Korea and bring them to the United States for work in massage parlors and brothels.

Quote:It should be borne in mind that these laws were enacted at a time when Rome's Christian population was still, according to the most favourable calculation, no more than 5%.

A number of laws follow in favor of the Pagans, and while prohibiting "private divination and soothsaying," and "Malevolent Magic Prohibited, but Beneficial Magic Encouraged"; also exempting Pagan Flamens, priests and magistrates from sundry restrictions and disabilities.

Quote:"Edict to the People of the Provinces Concerning the Error of Polytheism." (Ib. [Eusebius, Vita Constantine, N&PNF. Bk. II] chs. xlviii-xlix.)

Quote:Laws of Constantius [II] and Constans

"Sacrifice Prohibited.": "Let superstition cease and the folly of sacrifices be abolished. Whoever has dared in the face of the law of the divine prince, our father [Constantine] ... to make sacrifices, shall have appropriate penalty, and immediate sentence dealt to him." (Cod. Theod. xvi, 10, 2; 341.) "All Temples Closed and Sacrifices Forbidden." "but if any one commit any offense of this sort, let him fall by the avenging sword," and his property forfeited; judges neglecting to "mete out penalties for these offenses, they shall be similarly punished." (Cod. Theod. xvi, 10, 4; 846.)

"Sacrificing and Idolatry Punishable by Death." "We order that all found guilty of attending sacrifices or of worshipping idols shall suffer capital punishment." (Id. xvi, 10, 6; 356.)



Laws of Gratian and Theodosius

[...]

Quote:[color="#0000FF"]indiatoday.intoday.in/video/mumbai-tantriks-quacks-anti-superstition-law/1/310961.html

Tantriks thrive in Mumbai despite anti-superstition law[/color]

After reading the first line at the link (didn't read the rest, don't need to): Curious, how "quack" and "tantrik" are hereby becoming permanently associated in christolaws/media. Of course the christomedia will no doubt present pictures of quacks whenever speaking of the matter (but that's not whom they're after, and anyone with an iota of sense would know that).



I had earlier this month or so read news that the stOOpid-times-infinity [color="#0000FF"]BJP declared that "black magic should indeed be prohibited" ('but not other kinds', by implication or perhaps even vocalisation/explication on their part), [color="#0000FF"]but the silly nationalists don't seem to recognise that in christianism's view, all Tantra/all Hindoo heathenism IS black magic.[/color] (BJP missed the logical conclusion in that. How they managed to miss it, I don't know, when it was in print in the 4th century CE and onwards already.)[/color]

Quote:[color="#0000FF"]The Latin word superstitio, from which the common word superstition derives, actually had different meanings across centuries and has been used to define (also) Christianity and later Paganism. But what we are here to underline is that the possibility of misunderstanding has been used to deceive the Pagan under the juridical aspect in late antiquity; from what you can read below, even modern Pagans have a lesson to learn from that about how much important is to understand the meaning that a word has according to the person we are talking to.[/color]



The first meaning, in order of time, of the word superstitio is "divinatory practice": with this meaning we can find the word used in Plautus, Ennius and later Pliny. From the 1st century b.c.e. there is another meaning, a very important one for this piece of writing, that is "practice outside official religion": that meant not only a religious practice that didn't belong to official religion because of its different origin (a private practice of a particular family, or one coming from abroad), but also an excessive and unreasonable religious belief, or a practice implying an excessive and unreasonable fear of the gods. This is why Livy uses this word to define the Bacchanalia forbidden by the Senate and Pliny defines Christianity through it; Varro, Cicero, Seneca and Servius used it to call Roman practices outside official religion.



The word enters the juridical language with this meaning. When a word enters the legal language and is used to write laws, it becomes a technical term to define what is legal and what it's not; while a word used in a philosophical or literary context can be explained by the writer or by the context itself, a word used in writing a law should be clear and with one meaning only. We'll see that this wasn't true for late antiquity laws.



At first, we find the word superstitio in laws against those who lead weak-minded people to excessively fear the deity (a law by Marcus Aurelius) or who practice a religion that terrifies people. This excessive fear is what is called superstitio. So now it's clear why some authors call Christianity a superstitio.



Christian polemicists and apologists of the first centuries found themselves labeled as superstitiosi and so assimilated the meaning of superstitio as "unreasonable belief" and started to apply it on Pagans. In their writings, superstitio becomes a synonym of Paganism. Lactantius writes that religio veri dei cultus est, superstitio falsi, religion is the worship of the true god, superstition of a false one (Divinae institutions, 4.28.11). The same idea can be found in Tertullian, writing of gentilicia or romana superstitio, gentiles' or Roman superstition, and in Orosius.



During the 4th century, when Christianity took more and more importance until it became the state religion, both the meanings of superstitio coexisted: according to Pagans, it meant all excessive religious practices, while according to Christians it meant the whole paganism. In a law dated 319, the word superstitio still means divination.



[color="#0000FF"]This ambiguity at the end turned against pagans since it has been used against them. This didn't happen only under the legal aspect:[/color] even the panegyrist writing the praise of Constantine who defeated Maxentius (in the famous battle at Ponte Milvio, when the vision of the cross should have occurred, from what Eusebius wrote) uses ambiguity not to displease anyone, saying that Constantine won thanks to divina praecepta, divine teachings, and Maxentius lose because of its superstitiosa maleficia. A Pagan reader could then understand that Maxentius had lost because he had practiced superstitious or illegal magic, trusting on it for victory, while a Christian reader could understand that Maxentius had lost because he was a Pagan and so god had helped the emperor instead. Constantine could act against Pagans only in the Eastern part of the Empire, but not in the Western one, where Pagans were much more and more powerful. In an inscription from Hispellum, Umbria, Constantine forbids the temple to be used in a superstitious way: once again, a Pagan could understand that only unreasonable practices were forbidden, a Christian that all the Pagan rites were. Maybe this is the reason why Eusebius affirms that Constantine forbade sacrifices and temple worship, while we there is no law about that yet.

[color="#800080"](^ Important example to study the christian meaning. It's a code christians understand.)[/color]



[color="blue"]Obviously, an ambiguity in a legal text is far more dangerous than an ambiguity in a literary text as the praise to Constantine was, because it can be used for advantage of one party. Constans, who was a Christian, used the misunderstanding of the word in the famous law issued in 341: cesset superstitio, sacrificiorum aboleatur insania, superstition shall cease; the madness of sacrifices shall be abolished. Today it seems clear to us that the law was going to abolish sacrifices, but when it was issued, the law could be applied in two different ways: a Pagan administrator would have prevented people from doing too many, useless, sacrifices for superstitious (in modern sense of the word) reasons, a Christian one would have abolished pagan sacrifices at all. In this way, Constans could satisfy the Christian will to abolish Paganism without provoking a strong Pagan reaction he couldn't have been able to face yet, because Pagans understood the law differently from Christians even approving it because it recalled preceding laws against superstitious (unreasonable, outside the official religion, strange and made with boast) practices. In facts, regular sacrifices took place in Rome even before this law; there's another Constans law against the superstitiones, directed to Catullinus, prefect of Rome, who was pagan, and this law too could be interpreted in two manners.



After Constantius enforced his rule by defeating Magnentius, he didn't need to keep good relationship with Pagans anymore: the laws issued from 356 to 360 forbade image worship, closed temples and forbade divination. None of this law uses the word superstitio.



The word appears back again in 5th century laws, but this time it's clearly defined as sacrifice and worship of temples: Christianity has already taken over the empire and affirmed the equivalence between superstitio and everything different from Christianity. From the 5th century, the word is used also to define Judaism and heresies.[/color]

Quote:Michele R. Salzman, Superstitio in the Codex Theodosianus and the persecution of pagans, in



"Vigiliae christianae", 41(1987)

L. F. Jannsen, 'Superstitio' and the persecution of christians, in "Vigiliae christianae", 33



(1979)

Quote:THE ABOLITION OF LUPERCALIA





While in other cities pagan festivals had already been deleted and some temples destroyed, in Rome still during the 5th century c.e., the festival of Lupercalia was still celebrated, even though its religious meaning wasn't known anymore: the survival of the festival still one century later than the Theodosian edict which made Christianity become the state religion, is witnessed by Gelasius and his letters against the Lupercalia. In facts, in January 495 c.e., Gelasius forbade Christians to take part to the festival that was near to begin because in that festival demons were worshipped.



This is the period in which pagan gods are identified with demons, due to Augustin and Gelasius himself, who followed Augustin's track: in facts, most of early Christian writers used to identify the worship of the Pagan gods with the worship of statues or of men who had lived many centuries before and had been deificated because of superstition. In his letters and masses, Gelasius underlines a lot the bound between the festival of Lupercalia and feminine fertility, but the celebration of the festival during the month of February, the blood on the boys' foreheads, the laugh make us think more to a purification festival, maybe intended as a purification from every obstacle to fertility. Under the emperor August, the festival had been reinstituted, and only then the features related to feminine fertility had been emphasized; moreover, the festival became one of the many festival underlining the emperor's sovereignty. So it became part of the state religion: in this case when we say 'state religion' we don't mean the only religion in the state, but a series of practices that the citizens were expected to follow to enforce their belonging to the state. For sure, this affected both the survival of the festival and the hate Gelasius showed against it.



So Gelasius was really bothered about the Lupercalia, because they were a very ancient and long -lived festival, related both to the feminine fertility (that means sex, too) and to the awareness of being Roman citizens. Of course Gelasius rationalized, saying that the festival was a non-sense, because if its aim had been to promote fertility, then there would have been no fertility in Africa or Gaul where people didn't celebrate it. Rationalization is a common instrument in the hands of those who wrote against pagans until Middle Ages and this is true also for what concerns witchcraft: in facts, opposite to what is commonly believed, during the Dark Ages the church didn't accept the idea of a witch as a woman with magic powers used to harm people, because according to Christian theology, only god can have or give those powers, which can't be gained even through a pact with the devil. So the church put itself in a rational position towards pagan cults, which were charged of being just superstition.

(Note: the bit on witchcraft is not true. Joseph McCabe demonstrates from his survey of medieval church records concerning the inquisition and torture of witches over several centuries, that the church - or at the very least the lower rung/implementing side of the church - most definitely believed that the so-called "witches" were in league with devils/demons/non-existent christian spooks and had gained "demonic" powers as a result. It is the defunct christianheritage site that showed that the practical "achievement" of the church's genocide of about 9 million women + men - a great many of whom professed to be christian until the end - was to wipe out all those women and their families who knew how to prevent or terminate pregnancies. I.e. that the church wanted knowledge of contraception exterminated in order to explode the numbers of christians by force. <- A policy which came in handy to christianism when it was time for the church to take over the "new world" etc and populate it with christianism by genociding the natives. I.o.w. the church was building a christian army of conquest and settler populations.)



This way of thinking remained until these days in the minds of many who dealt with paganism. The main difficulty lies in look at paganism as a religion, but with a completely different meaning of 'religion'. It's true also that, as the pagan state religion spread, as we said before, the personal attention in religious practices began to diminish and this made way for a superstitious behavior. From a Pagan point of view, the statalization of Roman religion can be considered some kind of decadence, because the religio, that is the attention needed during religious practices that allows us to feel the gods around us, was no more needed in celebration. All it was needed was a formal adhesion, to prove the good will of citizens to be good citizens.

Quote:This is the period (Pope Gelasius' et al's time when Lupercalia got banned) in which pagan gods are identified with demons, due to Augustin and Gelasius himself, who followed Augustin's track: in facts, most of early Christian writers used to identify the worship of the Pagan gods with the worship of statues or of men who had lived many centuries before and had been deificated because of superstition.

Quote:Friday, May 02, 2014

UNICEF's Slumdog Campaign

With the seeming objective to improve sanitation in India, UNICEF has come out with this disgraceful Slumdog style campaign.

Making of Poo to the Loo song. Brilliant smorgasbord of toilet noises decided on by UNICEF representatives and the avant garde musicians enlisted for the project:



youtube.com/watch?v=hrUovuLAPP8



The music video:



youtube.com/watch?v=_peUxE_BKcU



Website:

poo2loo.com/



The team of orifices involved:



Maria Fernandez, Communication Specialist, UNICEF India

Shri, Music Composer

Chester Misquitta, Sound Engineer

KC Loy, Singer

Sofia Ashraf, Singer

Nilima Eriyat, Producer, Studio Eeksaurus

Nitu Chaudhry, Singer

Pradip Kashikar, Singer

Suresh Eriyat, Director

Shikha Sud, Creative Director

Sonia Bhatnagar, Executive Creative Director



Posted by non-carborundum at 5/02/2014 10:46:00 AM

Quote:Tuesday, May 13, 2014

in case you feel like pissing in public...

youtube.com/watch?v=aaEqZQXmx5M

Quote:4 comments:



non-carborundum said...

I hope you don't endorse this Rajeev. I know there's a thing or two to be said about holding it in for a while, but where will most of these people go in the middle of the day? Where are the public toilets? Most of these seem to be people from the lower middle class.



If this hipster continues his Batman syndrome then he is going to get stabbed by some joker, and rightly so.



5/14/2014 12:24 AM



VidrohiArya said...

Agree with non-carborundum... this is highly insulting to poor people..and is a cover up for inefficiency of govt... i hope this guy does get stabbed...



5/14/2014 4:06 AM



Brownian Motion said...

I am absolutely speechless with anger. If it's official, it's a complete abuse of power. Whoever it is needs to be brought to heel.



There's absolutely no place to pee in Mumbai. The few Sulabh sauchalayas stink in my experience. One of the few places to pee is at the malls of which there simply aren't enough. Stores and restaurants almost never have clean public restrooms and they only allow their customers to use the facilities anyway. What's a man (or a poor woman) to do? There's only so much planning ahead you can do. To douse public pissers with water is absolutely criminal. The only path to take is to make clean public restrooms available everywhere and then educate the public to change their habits and use them. And after that abusers can be arrested etc. not doused with water.



5/14/2014 1:37 PM



nizhal yoddha said...

this is one of my pet peeves: peeing in public, and worse, defecating in public. yes, it is a failure of the government to provide facilities, but do we have no shame as individuals? at the very least couldn't we go behind a bush or something.



while the firehosing technique is cruel and inappropriate, it is time we became less blase about public excretion. just as we should about public noise we create, talking loudly and bothering everybody else around. we need to learn some civics, act a little civilized. this is not behavior appropriate to an ancient civilization. even in dirt-poor countries elsewhere, i have never seen public defecation. why in india?



and anyway, why aren't we agitating and throwing out the useless bums who didn't give us the services, instead of happily peeing all over the place?



5/14/2014 9:41 PM

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sent from samsung galaxy note, so please excuse brevity Posted by nizhal yoddha at 5/13/2014 11:44:00 PM

Quote:"even in dirt-poor countries elsewhere, i have never seen public defecation. why in india?"

Quote:[color="#FF0000"]humanurehandbook.com/

humanurehandbook.com/downloads/Humanure_Handbook_all.pdf[/color]

Quote:PUBLISHED : Monday, 28 April, 2014, 4:03am

UPDATED : Monday, 28 April, 2014, 2:19pm

Mainland Chinese aren't the only ones peeing on streets of Hong Kong



BIO

Alex Lo is a senior writer at the South China Morning Post. He writes editorials and the daily “My Take” column on page 2. He also edits the weekly science and technology page in Sunday Morning Post





All sorts, not just Chinese mainlanders, answer call of nature in public



If you only get your news stories from local social media, you may think Hong Kong is about to be flooded in mainland urine.



These sites are filled with accounts of mainland visitors' misbehaviour, the most provocative of which must be their supposedly carefree way of answering the call of nature in public. The latest spark to an escalating toilet war stemmed from a fight in Mong Kok between a mainland couple and several locals who filmed their child relieving himself. The clips went viral on the internet, being viewed more than a million times. Even the state-owned People's Daily weighed in.



A campaign has been launched on the mainland urging parents to let their children urinate on our streets. A Hong Kong counter-campaign asks people to film and document such misbehaviour. It would be comical if it was not so tragic.



[color="#FF0000"]Are mainlanders the only ones incapable of finding or using public toilets?



In Hong Kong, I have seen that type of behaviour from any number of visually identifiable groups - local Chinese, expatriates, foreign (non-mainland) visitors, taxi drivers, teenage schoolboys, fathers and sons, and yes, fellow journalists. I have seen it at the Sevens and in the Wan Chai bar district.[/color]



Just last year, I witnessed a young man unzipping himself on Leighton Road, near my office, during the evening rush hour and releasing a long stream in front of dozens of horrified and disgusted people. I was sure his first language was neither Cantonese nor Putonghua.



[color="#0000FF"]Such behaviour can get you arrested in Hong Kong and you would not just face a fixed penalty.[/color] If someone breaks the law, he or she should pay for it. The police should make an example of those guilty of such misbehaviour, regardless of their race, ethnicity or any other identifiable physical attributes.



Yes, there is a lot of anger and frustration over the way mainland tourists have flooded into Hong Kong, overwhelmed our facilities and distorted our economy. A strong case can be, and has been, made to control the number of visitors. That is a valid concern. But try not to demonise some people with behaviour that everyone else is guilty of at one time or another.

This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as All sorts answer call of nature in public

Quote:Chinese tourists

China's Vice-Premier Wang Yang in May 2013 acknowledged that "uncivilised behaviour" by its citizens abroad was harming the country's image. He cited "talking loudly in public places, jaywalking, spitting and wilfully carving characters on items in scenic zones". Destination countries have been easing visa restrictions to attract more tourists from China, but reports have emerged of complaints about etiquette.







[color="#0000FF"]'Bring children to pee in Hong Kong': Mainlander starts campaign after public urination clash[/color]

Call for action may break mainland law; call of nature may cost HK$2,000



PUBLISHED : Friday, 25 April, 2014, 1:39pm

UPDATED : Saturday, 26 April, 2014, 7:45am

Stuart Lau stuart.lau@scmp.com





Img caption: The couple let their child relieve himself on a Mong Kok street.



[color="#0000FF"]Internet users calling on mainlanders to let their children relieve themselves in Hong Kong streets - in protest at this week's photographing of a toddler doing just that - have been warned they could end up in trouble, along with anyone who takes part in the protest.[/color]



Mainland law prohibits encouragement of such disruptions of public order even if it takes place elsewhere, a veteran lawyer with experience in both jurisdictions said yesterday.



The warning came as controversy continued to snowball over the incident in which a video of a mainland couple allowing their toddler to urinate and defecate on a busy Mong Kok street was posted online.



Solicitor Thomas So Shiu-tsung said Articles 290 and 291 of the mainland criminal code outlawed "assembling a crowd to disrupt social order" and "assembling a crowd to disrupt order of public places".



Article 7, meanwhile, allowed the state to punish citizens who commit such offences outside the mainland.



"It depends on the size of the activity," So said. "If there are only a couple of people turning up, it is unlikely that amounts to an offence."



Hong Kong's Public Cleansing and Prevention of Nuisances Regulation prohibits those in charge of a child under 12 from permitting the child, without reasonable excuse, "to obey the call of nature in any public street". Violators face a HK$2,000 fine.



Meanwhile, the controversy spread to Taiwan - possibly reflecting concerns there about an influx of mainlanders similar to those experienced in Hong Kong.



News about the suggestion of the "pee and poo" protest went viral on Taiwan media outlets.



Back across the strait, the top post on popular mainland forum Tianya.cn featured a mainlander who claimed to be working in Hong Kong.



"Are [the Hong Kong people] psycho?" one user, who went by the name Round Face Tomato Ghost Devil, quoted her Spanish friend as asking.



The comment was widely echoed by other mainlanders. "People should help people in need, not take photos and post them online," wrote one.



In the video, the mother was seen telling the crowd of onlookers: "The child was going to pee in his pants, what do you want me do?"



A scuffle then broke out and the parents tried to take the memory card from the camera of the young man filming the incident. State media had earlier criticised those who took the pictures as being as uncivilised as the toddler's parents.

[color="#800080"](The parents should sue the terrorist who took the video as this being an act of paedophilia. That will shut such people up.)[/color]





A commentary in the People's Daily overseas edition questioned whether the bystanders had acted properly, while saying there was a need for "mutual civilisation and understanding" between tourists and Hongkongers.



This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as Pee protest could land proponents in poop

Quote:****** May 5th 2014

8:58pm

Wow, as if it was fine to evacuate on streets. Despite it being common, civilised people are still not supposed to pee in the public. Before you accuse Hongkongers of being hypocrites, try to get your values right.

..



[color="#800080"](See, some Indians sound just like some Chinese. But we're all civilised here: we've all been 'civilised' by the colonial hand. Speaking of which[/color]





Brit_in_China May 4th 2014

9:02am

Saw a Hong Kong couple allow their toddler to pee on the streets in Zhongshan just yesterday. Why? Simple. Kid suddenly needed to pee and caused a hissy fit when they tried to move her. I offered them the use of the cafe toilets, but when thy tried to move the kid she was already doing the business. Too late. They were very embarrassed; but no one really cared. You know, dogs, cats, and kids run only on their DNA. When they want to go, they want to go. Try stopping your dog marking every drain pipe and tree in the city. Good luck with that.

Kids drop 'em and pee. Get over it. Nought you can do most of the time. [color="#0000FF"](British with 3 kids.)[/color]

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[color="#800080"](Well, a Brit has declared it's all okay. Therefore it's civilised now. But only if you're in China. Not if it's India. Etc.)[/color]



ldAsia May 2nd 2014

11:13pm

These low people have never been out of Hong Kong. They have a teeny tiny narrow vision of the world. If they have the money to afford to travel, then they will find out it is not uncommon to see situation like that all over the world. They have nothing better to do than picking on a little kid. You know what, these hypo probably themselves had done the same thing that they would not dare to say.

[color="#0000FF"]These lackeys only dare to insult their own people. Once they encountered the white people, they would be hiding like a rat and would not dare to say a single word.[/color]

Go find yourself a life instead of “MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING”.

(Oh some sense of perspective. At last. Barely see that in Indians.)



****** May 3rd 2014

4:36am

These things don't happen very often, he is just a 3-year-old child and there are a lot of people waiting for the toilet, what do you expect? Curiously, a few years ago David Beckham with his kids do the same thing in Hong Kong, but at that time the Hong Kong people for their understanding. For now ,these people use mobile phones to take the process of the child to pee and sent to the Internet, they judgment the people who come from the mainland are immoral, their do this behavior is moral? Seriously, just because a 3-year-old child can not wait for the toilet to pee on the street, they say the people who come from the mainland are immoral, that makes me laugh. They forgot the most basic of human love and tolerance. If civilization without love, just morbid vanity.

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[color="#800080"](Nah nah nah man. It's Beckham. If he or his kids urinate in public in your country, they expect you to consider it an honour.)[/color]



****** Apr 29th 2014

5:32pm

Los Angeles Times, March 11, 2014, by Stacey Leasca: Peeing in the pool

"One in five Americans has admitted to peeing in a public swimming pool, according to a new survey.

That’s 20% of Americans urinating where others swim. Besides being disgusting, peeing in the pool may be seriously harmful to your health. In a new study, researchers from China Agricultural University and Purdue University looked at what happened when uric acid, a byproduct of urine, and chlorine combined. The group found dangerous chemical reactions were a result of this unholy union.

The combo kicks up cyanogen chloride, a gas that can harm the central nervous system, heart and lungs if inhaled. Uric acid is linked to 24% to 68% of this byproduct in pool water, the scientists said."

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****** Apr 29th 2014

5:10pm

Then what about barring drunk Westerners fresh out of bars and night clubs from yelling, cursing, urinating, vomiting, and damaging public property?

Bananas?

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paulch12 Apr 28th 2014

4:35pm

I think the incident is blown out of proportion because of racism of a few. It happens in LAN Kwai Fong during weekends, I don't hear any complaints. We, Hongkong people, travelled abroad, sometimes are loud and uncivil, I don't hear our own uproar at their behavior.

At the moment, the whole world is seeking tourist dollars from mainlanders, Hong Kong is the only place that complains. Time to stop racism, and start looking at our own inhospitable behavior. We need to resolve these situations by providing better education and facilities for tourists of all races.

PC



****** Apr 30th 2014

12:51am

True, I have seen white people and foreigners doing the same shameful acts at times, but they aren't the ones who go right onto Weibo and then launch into some grand speech about how because they got told off for something which is potentially against the law not just in HK, but around 99% of the world, that people are "discriminating" against them.

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****** Apr 30th 2014

12:47am

Happens all the time everywhere in the world, yet I don't see them going onto Facebook, or Weibo, or the general internet, and then going on into this grand rousing speech about how because I am of a certain background, that because this happened they are apparently discriminating against me.

Cry me a river, seriously.

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ldAsia Apr 30th 2014

2:44am

It is amazingly low that a little boy peed in public can create such a big fuzz. These people probably got nothing better to do, then picking on a little kid. They are really fuzz about nothing. Go visit the world and see more - [color="#0000FF"]go visit the bars in Paris (the area near the bar entrance is stink with human pees), go visit downtown New York (Browery bumps used to be stinky with pees, even though it has been cleaned up a lot), go visit Key west in Florida (the drunk pees on the street, even though it is not broad day light), go visit London and Munich (adults pee on the street is often).[/color] It is a nature call after you have a few bottle of beer.

Keep your mind open and do REAL thing, instead of picking on a little kid.



(The blue bit is actually so true. But remember: it's civilised if western people do it. And moreover, it becomes manly if beer-swilling western men do it. No?)





johnyuan Apr 27th 2014

5:22pm

Pairs being a tourist city, it solved 'the need to go' most amicably with public toilets installed at easy to spot sidewalks. It is both civilize and practical. The Tourist Board in Hong Kong has been delinquent while pushing for ever more tourism but without consideration for both visitors and locals. Easy locatable public toilets are part of infrastructure for a sustainable tourism industry which current situation has atrociously overlooked.

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Public should learn more about these self-flushing and cleaning design for sidewalk toilets before raising objection.

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I wish there is less arguments but more practical solution in the work. Afterall, 'need to go' is a need. Just make sure it is accomodated civicly without delay when children are considered.

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BTW, My brother and I often used the men's room at Mandarin Hotel in the 60s. We were kids playing at its shopping lobby. Yes, the locals know around.

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Quote:PUBLISHED : Monday, 28 April, 2014, 4:03am

UPDATED : Monday, 28 April, 2014, 2:19pm

Mainland Chinese aren't the only ones peeing on streets of Hong Kong

Alex Lo



[color="#800080"](Little kid had to defecate and urinate in public in HK and this being the latest such incident caused a major uproar btw HK locals and mainland Chinese in HK.

Turns out it's not just mainland Chinese kids that are doing this in public in HK[/color]



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[color="#0000FF"]In Hong Kong, I have seen that type of behaviour from any number of visually identifiable groups - local Chinese, expatriates, foreign (non-mainland) visitors, taxi drivers, teenage schoolboys, fathers and sons, and yes, fellow journalists. I have seen it at the Sevens and in the Wan Chai bar district.[/color]



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Quote:One in five Americans has admitted to peeing in a public swimming pool, according to a new survey.