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Gujarat Riots - 2 - utepian - 05-22-2005
Actually on his own website, the director's statement has these opening lines:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Post-911, we live in a world where politics of hate and intolerance has gained mainstream acceptance, even grabbed centrestage. The right-wing seems to be tightening its stranglehold across Europe and USA, a nationalism being fuelled by the anti-immigrant/anti-Moslem rhetoric. The âWar on Terrorâ dominated the electoral discourse in the US presidential elections, with both candidates promising to hunt âem and kill âem better than the other. In a world where it has become legitimate to use fictitious intelligence to justify the bombing of innocents in Iraq, where it has become acceptable to launch precision bombs and rockets against non-âembeddedâ journalists, where shameless politicians divide up oil wells and farm out reconstruction contracts for their $ 36 million bonuses, where babies are killed and mutilated as acceptable âcollateral damageâ, we face a challenge greater than ever before.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nothing about India but only about US. Then with beard and all on an expired visa he is filming a building for over thirty minutes. Other than the asshole part I dont think NYPD deviated from procedure at all in this suspicious instance.
Gujarat Riots - 2 - Guest - 05-22-2005
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I later noticed that the back of the LCD screen flap on my camera was scratched and a crack developed in the display window on the back of the flap. I can not pinpoint the detective responsible for the damage, but it is more than likely that the damage was inflicted when Det Elimeyer snatched my camera.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Or Rakesh did himself to put blame on Det Elimeyer. He should have checked his camera inside Police station.
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Gujarat Riots - 2 - utepian - 05-23-2005
Blogosphere reports on Rakesh Sharma's US tour and reviews of the film.
http://communismwatch.blogspot.com/2005/05...l-solution.html
http://greatbong.blogspot.com/2005/04/mir-...offsprings.html
Gujarat Riots - 2 - Guest - 05-26-2005
<b>Amnesty pats UPA initiatives, slams Guj Govt</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Amnesty Report 2005 on state of the world's human rights, released simultaneously across the world, said the Congress-led UPA Government's initiatives, if implemented, could improve the human rights situation in the country.
"The Government is taking certain initiatives and we feel that if those were implemented it could help in improving the human rights situation in the country," <b>Deputy Director of Amnesty International, Asia Pacific Madhu Malhotra </b>said releasing the Amnesty International Report 2005 here.
"Model Communal Violence prevention Bill is a welcome step and we want the Indian Government to consult NGOs and other human rights activists on this subject," she said.
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Gujarat Riots - 2 - Guest - 06-02-2005
<b>One arrested in connection with Godhra carnage</b>
Wednesday, June 1 2005 22:14 Hrs (IST) - World Time -
Ahmedabad: One person was arrested today (Jun 1, 2005) from Godhra town of Panchmahals district for his alleged role in the train carnage case where 59 kar sevaks were killed inside the S-6 coach of the Sabarmati Express train on February 27, 2002.
The arrested person was identified as Raees Meetha and he was nabbed from Godhra town itself after getting specific information about his whereabouts, Godhra police said.
Spotlight: Godhra-Chilling stories of the victims
Meetha was initially arrested on theft charges by a team of the anti-dacoity police and was later handed over to the Special Investigation Team (SIT) as a warrant was issued against him, police added.
However, officials did not yet specify Meetha's alleged role in the train carnage incident or conspiracy.
Gujarat police has so far arrested 106 of the 131 persons accused in this case of which some are out on bail while some of the alleged 'core group' that hatched the conspiracy are still missing.
Officials, however, claim to have in their custody the alleged prime conspirator of the case, a Godhra-based cleric Maulvi Hussain Umarji.
http://news.indiainfo.com/2005/06/01/0106godhra-arrest.html
Gujarat Riots - 2 - Guest - 06-15-2005
<b>Riot lawsuit against Hindu groups</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Riot lawsuit against Hindu groupsÂ
The Gujarat riots of 2002 left at least 1,000 people dead
The families of Muslims killed in an attack during the 2002 Gujarat riots have filed lawsuits against Hindu nationalist organisations.
They are seeking almost 70 million rupees ($1.6m) in damages.
Among those groups named in the lawsuit is the Bharatiya Janata Party, which governs Gujarat.
More than 1,000 people, mostly Muslim, were killed in the Gujarat violence, although independent groups have placed the figure closer to 2,000.
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Gujarat Riots - 2 - Guest - 06-15-2005
The said "hindu nationalist groups" should file a counter lawsuit for defamation and loss of life due to godhra barbeque.
Gujarat Riots - 2 - utepian - 06-15-2005
Some people have started a petition against the Rajiv Gandhi foundation for praising Gujarat. Please see if you agree or disagree.
http://www.petitiononline.com/antimodi/petition.html
Gujarat Riots - 2 - Guest - 06-15-2005
uptepian,
Dal me kucch kala hai....
Rakesh Sharma petition that went up last week got 700+ signatures in 3 days <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='rolleyes.gif' /><!--endemo--> - creeps were smart enough to go to a place where they didn't get any comments from irate web surfers. They are back to petitiononline after their fiasco during Modi visa episode when they had to pull down the petition. And now they have some 30 odd signatures in past couple days!
Things don't add up. Either they are fools are way too smart.
Gujarat Riots - 2 - utepian - 06-15-2005
You have a good point Viren. Professional-communalists have so much clout in the print and broadcast media that internet petitions should not have any value. Yoginder Sikand the author of the petition could as well have thrown that gibbersh he calls a petition to Indian Express and TOI and lo, it would have got published unedited.
For the RGF's report, Indian dailies have maintained an astounding silence. This petition is the first voice of dissent I have seen. So obviously the numbers put forth by RGF are so strong that even editors sympathetic to professional-communalists have a hard time denying it.
Same thing with Rakesh sharma's brush with NYPD. In the past Bollywooders Aamir Khan and Kamal Hasan got wide coverage for their brush with authorities in the US. Even a little known actress from Kerala that had a brush with airlines got wide publicity. None of Rakesh Sharma's misadventures got reported. Not even on the page 3 columns.
This leads me to believe, 700 signatures for Rakesh Sharma are all spurious. I will be surprised if they even have the guts to present it to any competent authority.
Gujarat Riots - 2 - Guest - 06-15-2005
What kind fu*cking basterds are this guys, In htie hate they can't see a state progressing.
Gujarat Riots - 2 - Guest - 06-16-2005
<!--QuoteBegin-utepian+Jun 15 2005, 08:10 AM-->QUOTE(utepian @ Jun 15 2005, 08:10 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Some people have started a petition against the Rajiv Gandhi foundation for praising Gujarat. Please see if you agree or disagree.
http://www.petitiononline.com/antimodi/petition.html <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->0. Pitts I am Pitts from the pit. I know I have opposed Modiji after being paid by the great General Musharraf and goaded by my fellow christian fundoos but deep down inside I know I am just lying. If anything I am really scared of the industrious people of Gujarat and would give anything to be considered a friend of Gujaratis. (hint : Modiji please pay me for a trip to pakistan and i will do 180 degree turn and start condemning Mushy baby). This Sikand fellow seems to be my alter-ego. Hint : Please pay him too.. Â
49. Venkat Rallapalli This petition has nothing that refutes the findings of the commission. All it says is "it is a bunch of lies". Why should we believe this Sikand. Either he has a very low IQ or is just filled with hatred.Â
48. Chandra Gulati What a sick petition from a sick mind. Gujaratis have earned the #1 state award on their merit. Only a person with hate can see hate in other industrious people.Â
47. Neeraj Sudhakar Petition should be to celebrate and learn the success of Gujaratis and spread it worldwide to all developing nations. Sick pseudo-seculars should start learning maths and statitics to measure successÂ
46. Vikram Tripathi A petition in very poor taste. Â
45. Irfan Habib I don't support Y.Sikand. I am scum bag commie of whole world. I hate myself and Y.Sikand. I disapprove this message and in future I will shum my commie activity and will admit myself with Sikand in mental hospital. Please let other commies and traitor of India's to join me in mental hospital. Welcome to my future home "Mental Hospital" North pole.Â
44. Angana Chatterji I support Modi. I disapprove Sikand petiton. He can'y see happy Gujarat ciitzen even trying 3 years to rage commie revolutuin these Commie like Sikand failed. But losers like him and other commie pinkoos don't know how to rub there face with cow dung. So every weekly they come with anti-hindu petiton. Shameless commies and traitors of India. Shame on you Yogender, Check yourself in mental hospital and get a life and let live others. Mornon Idiot
43. Akhila Raman I support Modi, Dell just invested millions in Gujarat... Yoginder's lost it. Get a life loser.Â
42. Kawaljit Shoor M J Akbar says Modi's least corrupt and most efficent CM. Gujarat Govt receives UNESCO award. Sikand Ostrichs are stuck in time warp Down with FOIL and the nexus of naxal+commie+jihadis wolves in psec clothings
41. Arun Shetty You losers sorry that the Modi gravy trains not pulling any cash anymore?Â
40. Puran Modi Sikhand can't see Gujarat progress under Respected Modiji Sahab, Sikhand and his moron criminal friends are chasing wrong man. They should chase Naxalites and Maoist and people like Sikhand. Jindabad Pujnay Modiji
39. Modi Ji Ki Jai I disapprove Sikhand and his jokers commie criminal friends Hai Sikhandi Hai hai Modi ji Jindabad
38. Maqbool Shah COmmies are back to comeup with false propoganda against Modi ji, Now these joker called Sikhand came up with anti people agenda, why these are not happy with Gujarat progress, they only want to see whole country convert into West Bengal where commies run lose and killing people no Sikhandi around to chase them COmmies are back to comeup with false propoganda against Modi ji, Now these joker called Sikhand came up with anti people agenda, why these are not happy with Gujarat progress, they only want to see whole country convert into West Bengal where commies run lose and killing people no Sikhandi around to chase them
36. Rajneesh Devraj Commie lies are truer than loud numbers. That is what this petition is about. Disagree.Â
35. Narsimha Konerapalli Rajiv Gandhi Foundation's report should be used to protest the lousy administration in Bihar, West Bengal and Uttar Pradesh. It should be used to protest the complete breakdown of law and order by Jihadis in J&K. the contents of the petition are malicious. I disagree.Â
34. Sridhar Thonipetti Numbers speak louder than rhetoric of communalists. No wonder assorted communalists dislike Gujarat's progress report. I disagree with the petition.Â
33. Rajiv Rai Gujarat is number one because of its people. People filled with communal hatred see Modi and not the people of Gujarat. RGF's report is a commendation of industrious Gujaratis. My signature is to register my opposition to the contents of this petition. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Gujarat Riots - 2 - Guest - 06-16-2005
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Gujarat Riots - 2 - Guest - 06-16-2005
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Gujarat Riots - 2 - Guest - 08-04-2005
Well I am a living proof. You want more proof goto any indian living room and talk about the shenenigans of VHP trishul yatra or the fits thrown by people like Praveen Togadia.
I am a hindu nationalist, but not a killer like what happened in gujrat and being a hindu i have all the right to put the protest of taking the hindu movement in a wrong direction.
I believe that RSS should allow BJP to function independently just working as a watch dog and putting the pressure of a lobbyist, with active research and policy directions(not directives). I cannot comment on the recent advani incident. It looks good to put advani back on track after he was trying strange things. But RSS should in no way put the impression that it remote controls BJP. Get off the back of BJP and allow it to rise. Otherwise we will never see the heights being reached by the hindu movement what the congress movement reached in its haydays.
If BJP/hindu movement has to reach all the corners of india from north to south, from east to west it has to have a much broader appeal that it carries right now. It has to be based on a positive agenda of development and dedication and service and most importantly peace and communal and religious harmony.
Abhishek
Gujarat Riots - 2 - Guest - 08-04-2005
Setalvad forced me to name innocents: Zaheera
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Deposing before the Nanavati-Shah inquiry commission, Zaheera, who appeared without her advocate Atul Mistry, accused Setalvad of forcing her to name several innocent persons in the Bakery case and even forcefully taking her to Mumbai from Vadodara.
Hesitant and requesting the Commission members to repeat their questions on several occasions, Zaheera stated she was not aware that an affidavit had been submitted before the commission on her behalf.
ââKept in confinment, I was asked to name innocent persons as accused in the case,ââ she said adding she remembered signing several legal documents and even the police complaint without reading them.
<b>ââThe signature is mine but I was coaxed and taken to the Vadodara Circuit House by three persons at the behest of Setalvad, who made me sign court documents,</b>ââ said Zaheera, who is currently living in Vadodara and has started a tailoring unit, while her brother is a scrap dealer.
In her affidavit before the Commission dated May 20, 2002, Zaheera had described the entire attack by violent crowd on the Bakery and had also named seven of the accused persons, who were part of the rioters who attacked their premises on March 1, 2002.
She told the Commission she had filed three affidavits before the Supreme Court and that in the first one, dated December 31, 2004, she had admitted filing an affidavit before the Commission.
<b>Answering to senior advocate Mukul Sinhaâs questions, Zaheera said there were three persons - Mohammed Vora, Munna Malik and Arif mallik - who were keeping an eye on her and her family and were following instructions of Setalvad. </b>She said she did not remember specific dates like the period when she had met them and they had taken her to Mumbai forcefully.
Zaheera denied filing any police complaint against them for forcibly taking her to Mumbai after the Fast Track court in Vadodara had acquitted them in the Bakery carnage case.
When asked regarding the identity of the seven accused persons, named in the affidavit as well as the police statement recorded under her name, Zaheera said her statement was recorded but she was unsure what was written by the police.
Zaheera was also questioned about her links with the Vadodara-based NGO âJan Adhikar Samitiâ. She said Tushar Vyas of the Samiti has been helping her financially to fight her case in the Supreme Court after she escaped from Mumbai.
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Gujarat Riots - 2 - Bharatvarsh - 08-04-2005
"It has to be based on a positive agenda of development and dedication and service and most importantly peace and communal and religious harmony."
Only Hindus are always banging on abt communal harmony and crap, if people are horrified by what happened in Gujarat then Hindus shud also condemn all the retaliation against Muslims during partition, which means that today East Punjab wud be full of Muslims, imagine that scenario.
As for BJP, if they can't do anything pro hindu when in power because of coalition limitation they shud atleast take care not to do anti hindu things like increasing hajj subsidy.
Gujarat Riots - 2 - Guest - 08-05-2005
Gujrat Leads the Way :
Gujarat tops growth chart
SUBODH GHILDIYAL
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ THURSDAY, AUGUST 04, 2005 10:34:02 PM ]
Surf 'N' Earn -Sign innow
NEW DELHI: Bibek Debroy - who kicked up a shindy with his top rating for Gujarat in the growth charts in his report for the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation - now has company. The Planning Commission has put its seal of approval on Debroyâs controversial rating.
Gujarat remains ahead of all states in terms of growth in per capita income in 2003-2004 over 2001-2002. Also, it ranks a close second after Madhya Pradesh in growth in per capita income of states, calculated for 2003-2004 over 2002-2003.
Bihar ranks last on both counts. The figures are an eye-opener in terms of where the growth rate lies across the length and breadth of the country. Interestingly, the Centreâs figures also show that Gujarat has attracted the maximum investment in the last five years followed by Andhra Pradesh.
According to the Planning Commission, Gujarat has registered a 10.3% of compound annual growth rate, a measure of annual per cent increase in per capita income, between 2000-01 and 2003-04. Manipur follows Gujarat with a compound annual growth rate of 8.5%. However, the gulf between the first two and the rest of the country is yawning. West Bengal ranks third with 5.7% followed by Orissa with 4.9%.
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Gujarat Riots - 2 - Guest - 08-05-2005
Well I dont believe in revenge. I believe in deterrance. Like nuclear deterrance. I believe that if you want to nuke somebody you dont want the nuclear fallout to come on your land. Revenge is short term, deterrance is long term.
I strongly believe that we should fight islamo-maxist combine by our hindu values and hindu systems. I donot say that non-violence in what is required, neither do i say that dont retaliate.
But events like gujrat where an indian government abuses its power to kill indian citizens sounds unhindu to me, bhagwan Ram would never have done anything like what Mr modi has done(he had to do his rajdharma, bhagwan ram left his wife on a simple hearsay), and Mr modi went to kill his own praja. We are not brutal barbarian. Again I believe in deterrance. An environment where these fanatic muslims can be controlled and shown that gone are the days when they can think that one muslim is equivalent to 10 hindus.
For that effective deterrance strategy without state-sponsored rioting has to be developed to catch the balls of these islamic facists.
State sponsored riots do two thing.
1. It radicalises hindus. Which is very bad in long run. As i said when you nuke your adversary you do it in such a way that there is no nuclear fall out for you.
2. It removes crucial moderate support. I am of the believe that BJP lost 2004 due to the pusillanimity of not dealing the aftermath of godhra properly. It should have seized the oppurtunity and taken the issue into political overdrive. It would have brought huge gains to the hindu movement. We were pusillanimous or should i say did not have a longer perspective in mind. These commies and gandhi family would have been drowned and strict anti-terror laws could have been implemented to create an environment of deterrance to get the balls of these islamic fanatics. Further in a more human way of thinking, no individual be it a hindu or a muslim or anybody can be held responsible for his communities actions.
Instead we lost 2004. One think i will again stress . Hindu movement cannot be united on a religious platform. Anybody who is a serious reader of hinduism can make this conclusion.
Hinduism is such a vast religion with so many thoughts it is not possible to bring the so called 80% hindus in one political platform. Impossible. It will be a historical miracle. Further there are so many differing views that if one political party will try to do it, it in the process will get subdivided in varying factions. So let us fight the values that these islamists want to propogate like religious obscurantism, woman inequality, seperatism, fanaticism. And a hindu movement based on these basic values will give a more homogeneous nature to this struggle.
In this perspective only i believe that RSS not being a political organisation and mostly working for the interests of hindu society should actually just work as a watchdog and allow BJP to experiment so take the political cause which is different from cultural and religious cause. The political cause can transcend all religious lines but represent values politically which comes from indian traditions, local systems and local economic senses. Otherwise we will constrict the reach of BJP and hence become an accomplice in further perpetrating this nehru-gandhi dynasty in india.
I really dread that day when that [edited] Rahul Gandhi will become Prime Minister of India. We have to stop that thing from happening. That fool cannot become the Prime Minister of India, simple.
Abhishek
Gujarat Riots - 2 - Guest - 08-05-2005
Modi did what ? Please make fact based statements.. Has he been indicted ? Please visit Guj riots and Godhra threads.. Also keep one thing in mind - no matter who is in power, if a mob of 2000 roasts 58 women and children alive there will be a huuge retaliation - count on it - its a given - Modi or no Modi - nobody can stop it. Let the islamist goondas try it again when somebody else is in power - the retaliation will be the same, if not worse.
And whats with this 2004 was lost because of Guj nonsense ?? After Godhra Modi had won a landslide so 2 years later Delhi was lost ? Does it even make any sense ?