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Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-19-2009

QUOTEAmar Singh hints at supporting UPA
pioneer.com
Pioneer News Service | New Delhi

In a bid to remain politically relevant after registering a less than expected performance in Uttar Pradesh, the Samajwadi Party said it would consider joining the Manmohan Singh Government if given an invite.

"If we are called, we would consider it seriously," SP general secretary Amar Singh told reporters on Saturday, after the Congress made a dramatic comeback in the State that sends maximum number of MPs -- 80 -- to the Parliament. He said there had been no formal request from the Prime Minister on the issue. "If the Congress leadership makes the first move, then we will decide on it." He said that the SP parliamentary board will meet on Sunday to discuss the situation.

While SP has got 21 seats in the State, the other fourth front partner RJD won three seats in Bihar. The third ally LJP could not open its account with its chief Ramvilas Paswan too losing from his stronghold Hazipur in Bihar.

Despite the setback, Singh said his party's association with the fourth front will continue and the front would meet in Delhi on Sunday

Ambani had already made deal. Why this drama by gate crasher?

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - ramana - 05-19-2009

QUOTE(sroy @ May 18 2009, 05:52 PM)Assuming worst scenario....confirmed rigging.

What is the way forward then?
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Need to press the opposition all parties to insist on paper record like in US for next round atleast.

Mudy, Amar Singh is doing that or else Mayawati will support the UPA and get ahead. Mayawati says will give outside support. So he is syaing will give open support.
Even with 21 MPs he is in trauma. DMK with less seats is demanding 7 cabinet berths!

Mamta Banerjee is saying portfolios not a problem as she wants to concentrate on State politics.

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - ramana - 05-19-2009

Is there no introspection from TDP, PRP, TRS, AIADMK etc on their poll performance?

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-19-2009

QUOTE(ramana @ May 18 2009, 10:25 PM)Dhu, My dad used to say you can show your anger only against those who are weaker than yourself or tolerate you.

GS can you explain more what you mean by
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEI am sure that with the return of the orphaned OBC castes to hindu causes
there are plenty of local hindu issues


Is this a plus or negative?

I think the madlaputras demise is good but at same time their disenchantment with Congress has to be made pro-BJP. How?
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On reflection, I think this election is wonderful for hindus
Even if BJP had won, we still would have been left with Commies in West bengal,
muslim vote bankers in SP, BSP, LJP, RJD, and Commies and TDP and PRP etc

Due to Indian commies being defeated, the Nepal maoists have been isolated
With the commies defeated, the Indian economy can be liberalised
Improvement in Indian economy is good for hindus

What has happened is that the talk of Namo being the next BJP PM
has wonderfully concentrated muslim minds and they voted enbloc for congress
since the contest for PM is between Rahul and Namo not Lalu / Mulayam vs Namo

Even if Rahul screws the muslims they have no choice but to vote congress

This has left the secular parties nude
What will the Yadavs, the Paswans, the Pawarites, the Dalits and the Commies do without their muslim vote bank
They will become orphans

Whereas for some time, we will be back to old congress times
with renegade upper castes using muslims as vote bank

Mayawati may survive for a while with her dedicated Dalit vote bank of 20%
and that is OK,
at the ground level, It is dalits in urban UP who stand up to muslim rioters
Mayawati has the guts to openly blame muslims for her defeat

The orphaned Yadavs in Bihar cannot join Nitesh, since they hate Kurmis
In UP, the orphaned Yadavs and upper OBCs are homeless
The congress run by renegade upper castes hates them

Whereas the BJP is a pan-hindu organisation and has some representation at every caste level and is open to new members of all castes

In the congress, the orphaned castes have no home
since the renegade upper castes despise them
and the First Family gets most of the spoils of office

Look at the renegade upper castes who run the english media,
At a personal level they despise regular hindus, they also despise
those without english background, namely OBC, Dalits etc

Due to sanskritisation, I bet a lot of upper and lower OBC will join BJP

Nitish has a vote bank of 24% of this only 3% is pasmanda muslim
I think Nitish is actually smart, he is concentrating on non-Ashraf muslims
Pasmanda muslims
and as such is not doing anti-national vote banking like Lalu
This mild muslim vote banking of Nitish also has some good effects
It is creating a caste conflict within muslim society and creating takleef among
Ashraf muslims ( the pan-islamists )

Even if Nitish leaves BJP, he is committed to good governance
and that is good for hindu society

Another thing that has happened is that due to widespread talk of Namo being next PM, the IM etc have been reigned in by their local mullahs
for fear of hindu consolidation
The local mullahs want to feed at the congress trough
and dont want NaMo as PM

I also see the DMK being cut to size by the congress
When MK dies, the congress will hire Dayanidi maran and project him as
congress CM from TN

On the electoral level, the congress is the easiest opponent for the BJP
The congress does not have a dedicated Yadav vote bank like Lalu,
The congressmen are mild hindus instead of being anti-hindus like the commies

The congressman is only interested in corruption and is not an ideological enemy
like the left

Given good spadework as in karnataka, with the congress as the main enemy everywhere, sooner or later the congress can be defeated as in karnataka
In Rajasthan, Haryana, Punjab, etc , the Congress can be defeated with good tactics

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-19-2009

QUOTE(ramana @ May 19 2009, 03:17 AM)Is there no introspection from TDP, PRP, TRS, AIADMK etc on their poll performance?
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All these are 1 man shows
which follower will tell them that the emperor has no clothes

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-19-2009

BJP held onto vote share in Orissa

TOI

Congress loss is Naveen's gain in Orissa
19 May 2009, 0224 hrs IST, TNN
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When Naveen Patnaik decided on the eve of the Lok Sabha and state assembly polls to break off his ties with the BJP and go it practically alone
in the state â barring seat sharing arrangements with relatively minor players like the Left and NCP â he was taking a huge gamble. To understand the extent of it, consider the vote shares from the 2004 polls.

In the LS polls that year, the BJD won 30% of the vote, the Congress 40.4%. In other words, the Congress
had a lead of over 10% in vote share. The BJPâs 19.3% vote share more than helped to cover that gap. But with the BJP gone, wouldnât the BJD be a sitting duck for Congress? Most betting men might have though so, but Patnaik has proved his gamblerâs instincts are more finely honed.

What has actually happened is that the BJPâs vote share has dropped from 19.3% to 16.9%. But even if all of this 2.4% change had shifted to BJD, the party would have come nowhere close to matching the Congress 2004 vote tally.

In fact, the BJD has managed to raise it own vote share by an impressive 7.2% to reach 37.2%. That still appears like too little to overtake the Congress, but it was more than what the Congress won this time round. The partyâs vote share dropped to 32.7% â a drop that almost exactly mirrored the rise in BJDâs share.

Whether Patnaik or his advisors actually foresaw this happy combination of events â an increase in their own quota of votes and a corresponding drop in the main opposition partyâs share â we do not know, but the result has been dramatic. Far from losing seats held earlier, the BJD has added to its tally and wiped out the BJP from the Lok Sabha seats in Orissa.

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - dhu - 05-19-2009

I don't think Yadavs and (Mayawati's) "Dalits" can both be accommodated within BJP. Is this correct and is there a solution?

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-19-2009

QUOTE(dhu @ May 19 2009, 11:07 AM)I don't think Yadavs and (Mayawati's) "Dalits" can both be accommodated within BJP.Â Is this correct and is there a solution?
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In late 70s, I have seen riots between Yadavs and Dalits in UP. They join hands when they have to fight Muslims.

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-20-2009

Cong has Raj, superstars to thank for extra seats
Raj Thackeray, Chiranjeevi, and Vijayakanth. They helped the victorious alliance win nearly 50 more seats in Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, and Tamil Nadu than anyone would have expected, as a result of which the UPA ended up with 262 seats, against the 222 it won in 2004.

QUOTEThe Andhra Pradesh results are an irony of these elections. The Congress registered a drop of 3.84% in vote share but an increase of four seats, while the TDP's vote share plummeted 14.92% and it won one more seat. If the vote share change of the two main parties is added, it is obvious where Chiranjeevi's 17% vote share came from and which party he hit.


QUOTEFor the first time in 23 years, the Tamil Nadu verdict was split, with the DMK-Congress combine picking up 26 seats and the AIADMK-led alliance having to settle for 13.

Vijayakanth's DMDK helped the Congress-DMK combine win in 14 constituencies, including P Chidambaram's hotly contested Sivaganga. In seven others, Jayalalithaa's AIADMK alliance was precariously poised till the very end. Ultimately, it won those seats, but by narrow margins. The final tally for the UPA was 26, 18 to the DMK and eight to the Congress, in a state where the ruling alliance feared a wipe-out.


QUOTEThe third game-changer was Raj. His Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS) did exactly what it was expected to do. It cut into Shiv Sena-BJP votes and helped the Congress-NCP alliance to victory in 10 constituencies. Considering that the MNS contested only 12 seats, its delivery for the Congress-NCP was almost 100%. The UPA registered a spectacular second successive sweep in Mumbai and won Pune and Thane thanks to Raj.

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-20-2009

QUOTE(dhu @ May 19 2009, 11:07 AM)I don't think Yadavs and (Mayawati's) "Dalits" can both be accommodated within BJP.Â Is this correct and is there a solution?
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The BJP has plenty of Dalit and Yadav cadre

The problem is that Mulayam, Lalu , Paswan and Mayawati mesmerised the common Dalit / Yadav voter with the dream of total power
using formula My Caste + Muslim = Total Power

Now that the Muslim has gone back to Congress,
there is no more dream of total power

and BJP yadavs and BJP dalits can be promoted as leaders

In addition, Mayawati has given most perks to Chamars, her caste of Dalits
Other castes of Dalits like Valmikis, Khatiks, Pasi, etc can be targeted by BJP

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-20-2009

Muslim had joined hands with Congress because Congress ignored Muslim terrorist, infact used Indian Embassy to rescue one Muslim from Australia. Moron Singh cried for Muslim terrorist. Afzal is enjoying life in big house, very soon Kasab will be sent back to Pakistan.
No response is good response. Look no response to 26/11 gave Congress all Mumbai seats.
More Indian killed by Muslim terrorist will help Congress to gain power. More dead Mumbai citizen means, more control of Congress in Metro.

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - dhu - 05-20-2009

Terrorist strikes will come whenever UPA lands into scandal, eg Money for votes scandal, misuse of ATS scandal

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - dhu - 05-21-2009

LINK

QUOTEOne of the few good parts about this extra-ordinary elections has been the loss of the leftists in West Bengal. But, has the country traded one evil for another? Will lives of people of West Bengal really improve? Mamata Banerjee has fought on a platform which is basically anti-development. In their opinion, industrial development of a major state of India is less important than orderly displacement of a few farmers. Therefore, while most left policies are regressive, Mamata has won this election on an even worse policy platform.Secondly, we believe that the Congress/Trinamul performance is mainly due to a religious factor, which has long-term security implications. Singur issue became bigger mainly because most affected farmers were Muslims. If you look at the map of voting pattern of West Bengal (simply click on West Bengal area on India's map to see details of voting pattern in West Bengal), you will notice that all the seats won by UPA are contiguous to Bangladesh's borders. There are the areas where illegal Muslim immigration from Bangladesh has a deep-rooted impact. These are the voters that deserted the leftists this time, as some of their co-religionists, even if upto 200 kms away, were being asked to vacate their land for a compensation! Muslims voted en-masse for the UPA, and that is the real reason leftists lost in W. Bengal. Is this a good development? In our opinion - NO.

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-21-2009

QUOTE(dhu @ May 21 2009, 07:48 AM)LINK

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEOne of the few good parts about this extra-ordinary elections has been the loss of the leftists in West Bengal. But, has the country traded one evil for another? Will lives of people of West Bengal really improve? Mamata Banerjee has fought on a platform which is basically anti-development. In their opinion, industrial development of a major state of India is less important than orderly displacement of a few farmers. Therefore, while most left policies are regressive, Mamata has won this election on an even worse policy platform.Secondly, we believe that the Congress/Trinamul performance is mainly due to a religious factor, which has long-term security implications. Singur issue became bigger mainly because most affected farmers were Muslims. If you look at the map of voting pattern of West Bengal (simply click on West Bengal area on India's map to see details of voting pattern in West Bengal), you will notice that all the seats won by UPA are contiguous to Bangladesh's borders. There are the areas where illegal Muslim immigration from Bangladesh has a deep-rooted impact. These are the voters that deserted the leftists this time, as some of their co-religionists, even if upto 200 kms away, were being asked to vacate their land for a compensation! Muslims voted en-masse for the UPA, and that is the real reason leftists lost in W. Bengal. Is this a good development? In our opinion - NO.
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The marxist had a cadre at every corner collecting hafta from the public
With the removal of this parasite class, even without any industrialisation, WB will prosper

Also the issue is forced land acquisition

Even without Mamata, no sane industrialist will come to bengal and deal with labor unions when he can go to Gujurat

Also with the demise of the marxists, at worst WB will become Assam like and BJP can grow there

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - dhu - 05-21-2009

QUOTEThere are many articles appearing in newspapers today, crediting Congress victory to reasons such as:

Â·Â votersâ yearning for stability,
Â· voterâs preference for progress (as Leftists lost heavily),
Â·Â Charisma of Gandhi family,
Â·Â Rural prosperity and pro-poor policy
Â·Â Voter's rejection of BJP's communalism
Â·Â Pan-Indian national outlook by voters.

Our detailed analysis suggests otherwise. This was clearly an election, which was a collection of individual state results. Each state voted based on local issues. Admittedly, there was some undercurrent of support to Congress due to pro-poor policies. But, mainly Congress won in many states on parochial issues such as Muslim commualism, casteism etc. Let us take each major state:

1.Â Uttar Pradesh â Congress did not perform better due to Rahul Gandhiâs charisma. As per exit polls, 6% Muslim voters switched from SP to Congress, in seats where Congress was more likely to win, instead of blindly voting for SP. Of course, farm loan waiver was a big issue too.

2.Â West Bengal â Congress/Trinamul has won all the seats on the Bangladesh border. This clearly suggests that Muslims deserted Leftists due to Singur/Nano controversy which primarily impacted local Muslims! So this is a pro-minority voting by illegal immigrants against development!

3.Â Bihar â In the neighbouring state, good performance by JD(U) was rewarded by voters.

4.Â Maharashtra â UPA won 29 seats in this state, mainly because of Raj Thackareyâs MNS, which won enough votes in 8-10 seats, to cause losses to BJP/SS. Without the UPA-sponsored MNS campaign, NDA would have won 29 seats.

5. Orissa â a vote for good governance by Biju Patnaik.

6.Â Punjab â even stevens considering anti-incumbency against Akalis.

7.Â Gujarat, MP, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, HP â BJP performed very well. They may not have swept elections, but won a decent majority in each state.

8.Â Rajasthan, Delhi, Haryana, Uttarakhand, Assam â These are the only states that Congress can claim to have won due to good performance. Of these, Rajasthan is a state that has traditionally flip-flopped every 5 years for Congress and against its opponents (old Janata party and now BJP). BJP swept 2004, Congress is merely returning the favour this year.

9.Â karnataka â BJP turned in great performance.

10.Â Andhra Pradesh â If Chiranjivi factor had not been present, TDP/TRS would have unseated Congress. Another spoiler like Thackarey.

11.Â Tamil Nadu â Sri Lanka issue was the main driver why DMK managed to win, in a traditionally flip-flop state. Jayalalitha tried her best, but, Tamil sub-nationalism is a strong undercurrent.

12. Kerala â This is a state that has flip-flopped each and every election since 70s, and this one is just continuation of the trend. Congress did not have to do much to win.

We, therefore, believe that Congress has managed this election better, with the horse for each course. BJP, on the other hand, did not get right allies and could not neutralise spoilers. There is no strong national mandate in favor of Congress on economic, social or securityÂ issues.

http://www.bharatright.com/election_analysis.html

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Husky - 05-21-2009

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Rajeev 2004 blog still on the EVM fraud issue.

1. The blue bit is interesting.
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/win...-made-easy.html
QUOTEWinning elections made easy
may 18th, 2009

hi gopi, it doesn't depend on local EC employees, the trojan horse software can be loaded once and for all at a central location. then the triggering of the trojan horse can either be done or not done, depending on local kkkangress needs. the local guys just have to enter a key sequence that is known to the kkkangress insiders.

this satinath fellow was the guy readying a PIL in the supreme court in 2004, and he has written other papers about it.Â he assumed the NDA would do EVM fraud. of course, when the kkkangress won in 2004, satinath dropped his case. isn't that interesting? he claims to be protecting democracy, but it appears he is only protecting the kkkangress.
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Rajeev,
You alluded to this in your Rediff column. May be, selective tempering but I doubt it is wholesale as many employees will be non-Congress supporters and may detect such dirty tricks.

Gopi
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Here are two articles of interest:
1) Winning elections made easy
Satinath Choudhary
"Producing doctored EVMs is child's play......"

2) Sena alleges EVM malfunction in South Mumbai

Rawale wondered how he got only 5 votes from an area that is a Shiv Sena stronghold.

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1) Winning elections made easy
Satinath Choudhary
http://www.indianexpress.com/oldStory/45296/

2) Sena alleges EVM malfunction in South Mumbai

http://election.rediff.com/report/2009/may...-malfuntion.htm

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Posted by nizhal yoddha at 5/18/2009 09:23:00 PM 0 commentsMeanwhile, in Maharashtra, christoislamaniacs have vandalised a Hindu Temple to Shiva:
http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/6992.html
QUOTEAncient Shiva Temple destroyed at Pune!
May 19, 2009With pictures.

Now where have I seen this pattern before? Now let me think. Oh yes, Here and, more recently, Here, Here and Here. And that's just an example of the handiwork of one variant of the mental disease.

2. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/see...as-well-as.html
QUOTEWednesday, May 20, 2009
see google trends on EVMs, as well as the stats/index on the page with the indiresan report on EVMs
may 20th, 2009

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6794194/Expert-C...e-Report-on-EVM

and

http://www.google.com/trends?q=electronic+...eo=all&date=all

interesting. a lot of people are apparently paying attention to the EVMs because the possible fraud looks so feasible.
Posted by nizhal yoddha at 5/20/2009 11:53:00 PM 0 comments 

3. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/geo...-seats-won.html
QUOTEMonday, May 18, 2009
Geographical distribution of seats won by different parties
may 18th, 2009

the american electionwatch types had very comprehensive web-based analyses of election trends etc. we need to get that to track how things change, and that could be circumstantial evidence for electoral fraud.
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From: A P
a concise but comprehensive compilation

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:50 PM
Subject: Geographical distribution of seats won by different parties

See the very interesting geographical distribution of seats won by different parties in various states at the following link:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/pollres...7.cms?stateid=2

Posted by nizhal yoddha at 5/18/2009 11:27:00 PM

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Â Â They used Green to represent Congress, how pious!

Â Â 5/19/2009 8:15 AM

4. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/did...dnt-win-up.html
QUOTEdid BJP lose because it didn't win UP?
may 18th, 2009

i don't think so. i think UP is no longer so relevant because there are so many power brokers there: mayavati, mulayam singh, paswan. they end up neutralizing each other.

the key now are the big states of andhra and tamil nadu.

it appears that if you can win (or defraud your way in) in andhra and tamil nadu, you don't need UP.

in any case, the BJP's losses in UP are collateral damage in the EVM fraud targeting mayavati.

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http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...e-roadmap-delhi
Posted by nizhal yoddha at 5/18/2009 11:25:00 PM 4 comments 

5. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/lin...-evm-fraud.html
QUOTETuesday, May 19, 2009
linux journal (2004) on EVM fraud
may 19th, 2009

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7561

Posted by nizhal yoddha at 5/19/2009 10:44:00 AM

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Non Carborundum said...

Â Â From all this there is no doubt that EVM fraud is possible. Why there was no further discussion or investigative action on this is suspicious. And it is not just a matter of whether or not such fraud occurred in this election, but that it can.

Â Â Rajeev is right when he says embedded systems cannot be trusted fully and that is the exact reason why electromechanical relays are used in control rooms of power stations, refineries etc even to this day even though their logic can be replicated at a fraction of the cost with embedded systems. Yet, our election commission is comfortable with leaving the fate of the nation in the hands of possibly, some Chinese hacker.

Â Â Also, the "Black Box" state of the EVM is shocking even to me and I don't work in IT. At any rate, many plausible theories on generation of trigger codes through unique sequences of voters, number of people that need to be in on the scam etc can be conjectured.

Â Â Can EVMs be constructed without using embedded circuits but only say, logic gates and relays? If so, the logic can be easily audited. I also wonder if there were any technical discussions etc held on this matter, and what sort of minutes were recorded and whether someone did oppose the adoption of EVMs. Maybe the right people can get this information out using RTI.

Â Â I think one must forward links to such articles to as many people as possible. Maybe this would trigger an investigation by CBI (Congress Bureau of Investigation).
Â Â 5/19/2009 11:53 AM

Sudhir said...

Â Â Rajeev,

Â Â From past couple of days you have written many posts relating to EVM frauds. In this regard, I would like to know as to what makes you think this way?

Â Â If we look at each of the states where the Cong won handsomely there are specific reasons for their victory.
Â Â 5/19/2009 12:25 PM

Non Carborundum said...

Â Â Prof. Indiresan Commitee Report on Electronic Voting Machines provided by the Election Commission of India through RTI.

Â Â http://www.scribd.com/doc/6794194/Expert-C...e-Report-on-EVM

Â Â Blog from where I got this link

Â Â http://theoverlord.wordpress.com/2009/05/1...oting-machines/

Â Â Seems there is a control unit and a ballot unit. What if there is a small transmitter / receiver in the microchip of the control unit that activates some code after being triggered by a unique signal? Or maybe the transmitter / receiver is embedded in the cable that connects the control unit and the ballot unit. Maybe the right unlocking signal can be sent through signal convolution in all the mobile networks in the country. It would require the collusion of no more than a handful of operators.

Â Â Quite far fetched but not impossible at all. I just do not want to believe that most voters are idiots, in which case they collectively deserve this government and the fate that awaits the country.
Â Â 5/19/2009 2:05 PM

blogger said...

Â Â Rajeev and others, please check this out:

Â Â The room for suspicion is in Vaikoâs constituency. How is it that while counting, the votes increased by 23,000 more than the polled votes? There is a register of polled votes. When it is counted, it is much more than that. It means there was rigging also. Those who rigged must have gone overboard in Vaikoâs constituency!
Â Â http://election.rediff.com/interview/2009/...ection-2009.htm
Â Â 5/19/2009 8:37 PM

nizhal yoddha said...

Â Â sudhir, there is always post-facto rationalization. if the kkkangress had been trounced, the 'analysts' would have come up with equally plausible-sounding explanations for it. these guys are looking at the micro picture and diving patterns where there are none (just like technical analysts in the stock market do). the big picture is: how could all of the kkkangress' enemies suddenly be hit simultaneously? why do you have to have complex explanations which contradict each other?

Â Â there is a similar case from astronomy. the godmen of the vatican came up with elaborate epicycle theories to explain the movement of the celestial bodies. this included cycles within cycles, incredibly complex and bizarre. all this was to maintain that the earth was the center of the universe.

Â Â at a stroke, galileo was able to demolish all these complexities. the simple explanation that the sun was the center of the solar system and the earth went around it negated the need for any complicated theory.

Â Â similarly, if you accept that fraud happened, there is no need to ratiocinate to such lengths.

Â Â you also said i am judging the kkkangress too early. what, after 60 years of their rule, especially the 5 years of utter misrule we just saw? what, if anything, will be different this time? answer: yes, they will accelerate the christist-ization of india, advance the nehruvian stalinist agenda, give up kashmir to pakistan, oppress hindus.
Â Â 5/19/2009 10:22 PM

nizhal yoddha said...

Â Â non carborundum, the trasmit/receive angle is a red herring. all machines can come from the factory with the trojan program embedded in it. it is activated selectively in some polling booths, not by the EC officials (although they could, too), but by a local polling agent from the kkkangress. he is told to press a known sequence of keys which activates the sleeping trojan. of course, only very trusted agents of the kkkangress will do this (and it is possible to have a large number of fanatics who will not spill the beans -- just ask v prabhakaran, formerly of sri lanka).
Â Â 5/20/2009 5:41 AM

Non Carborundum said...

Â Â I guess it is a red herring. Many years back I saw on TV, a news presentation on Intel motherboards that were sent to Iraq that had these small transmitters embedded for spying purposes. Anyway, the fact that so much speculation is possible on the method of subversion is scary enough. If there's a way there's a will.
Â Â 5/20/2009 10:05 AM

S said...

Â Â non carborundum, yes, it is entirely possible to make alternative chips that have a radio in them, so that they can be activated via the cellular network. it would be a little tricky to swap these in for the original, un-networked chips, though.

Â Â do you have details of the iraq story? i had heard it was HP printers that were bought by anti-aircraft batteries in iraq, and these had GPS capability embedded in them. they were turned on remotely by passing satellites, and thereafter dutifully reported their locations to the satellite, enabling US aircraft to pinpoint the anti-aircraft guns.
Â Â 5/20/2009 11:46 PM

nizhal yoddha said...

Â Â sorry, 's' is me, i was logged into another account at the time.

Â Â nizhal yoddha
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6. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/rol...-elections.html
QUOTEWednesday, May 20, 2009
Role of Bangladeshis in WB elections, 2009
may 19th, 2009

i don't know much about what happened in bengal. my personal belief is that EVM fraud hurt the communists there.

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From: Bhavananda

Hello,

Here's my take on the role of Bangladeshis in this years elections, and the Red-Green divide is becoming more evident.

http://bhavananda.blog.co.in/2009/05/19/ba...votes-decisive/

Its pertinent that pro-Hindu groups keeps this in mind while making future strategies, in case we have to choose between the devil and the deep sea.
Please feel free to let others know about this trend in your blogs, reports, etc.
Pranam.
Bhavananda.

Posted by nizhal yoddha at 5/20/2009 05:29:00 AM

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-21-2009

Will soon close this thread and with some portions of this thread will start a new one
"Reasons and Excuses for BJP's Loss"

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - ramana - 05-21-2009

Couple of news stories from Hindu, 21 May 2009

How they voted

Looks like INC wins in Maharasthra were away fromthe core regions and more like border regions of Andhra Pradesh. Is that an effect of former Nizam's area underdevelopment?

and

Behind the defeat : All noise and negativity

Looks like even the mainstream media is worried about how it all fell apart. Its more a post mortem than glee.

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-22-2009

post away

Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - dhu - 05-22-2009

QUOTEWhat he means to say is that groups which were prepared to respond as Hindus felt so betrayed by the BJP that resorted to default positions based on caste or other factors.
Post Babri demolition there was nationwide Hindu upsurge and caste factor had vanished even in UP. But the heat generated by this upsurge frightened the sangh parivar when it should have been inspired. Kalyan Singh was a Hindu leader accepted by Rajputs as well as Dalits. Yet BJP projected him as an OBC leader. Mulayam won the elections. BJP's dog days began. But for this crooked action Mulayam and Mayawati would have vanished into oblivion long back. Hindus disintegrated into their sub identities like Yadavs Lodhs Ahirs and Dalits 

According to the above, it would be unqise to project Modi as OBC leader. Better to project as non-brahmin and non-elite, and leave it intentionally vague. The following is what BJP has to counter in UP:

QUOTEBDMâs return changed Cong fortune in UP

Preetam Srivastava | Lucknow

Brahmins, Dalits and Muslims (BDM) â the traditional vote bank of the Congress party, returning to it at the hustings, has raised the heckles of the regional parties â the Bahujan Samaj Party and Samajwadi Party.

Soon after the poll results, the honchos of the two regional majors (read Mayawati and Mulayam Singh) were overzealous in extending the ânot-neededâ support to the Congress in the name of secularism.

But they forgot it was the same Congress from which they had desisted from forging a pre-poll alliance presuming it to be âdeadwoodâ.

But time is a great healer. And the Congress emerged as a phoenix from its political debris in the countryâs most volatile state sending alarm bells ringing for the two regional heavyweights.

No wonder, the Congress bagged seats in âBDMâ dominated regions causing setbacks to the BSP and SP in their respective pocket burroughs.

The poll results, which reflected a clear paradigm shift, smeared egg on the BSPâs face as its much-touted social engineering formula flopped.

The return of the BDM voters to the grand old party increased its vote share from 8.44 per cent in the last Assembly polls to about 20 per cent in the recent Lok Sabha polls.

In 90 per cent seats that the Congress won, the party candidate had little support from his own caste which again points towards a shift in the voters psyche of rising above caste and religion lines for issue-based politics.

Probably, the biggest setback for the BSP was the victory of bureaucrat-turned politician and Congress candidate PL Puniya from Barabanki.

The seat had 5.31 lakh upper caste voters which was dominated by 1.65 lakhs Brahmin.

Besides, there were 5.40 lakh Backward class voters, 5.5 lakh Dalits and 4.20 lakhs Muslim voters.

Not only the Dalits and Muslims voted decisively for Punia but even a sizeable upper caste votes also went his way.

On the reserved seat of Bahraich, Congress candidate Kamal Kishore was not only supported by a large chunk of five lakh Dalit voters but also the two lakh strong Brahmin voters and three lakh Muslim voters.

In Faizabad, Congress candidate Nirmal Khatri was able to garner the five lakh upper caste voter, 2.5 lakh Backward class votes, 3.6 lakh Dalit and 2.10 lakh Muslims votes.

Similarly, in Unnao, first timer Annu Tandon managed to garner the support of the majority of the Dalits, Brahmins, Backward class and Muslim voters to win by a record margin of over three lakh votes.

In Sultanpur and Pratapgarh, Dr Sanjay Singh and Rani Ratna Singh â both Thakurs, got able support from Brahmins, Dalits and Muslims which comprise 60 per cent of the total votes.

Similar was the scene in Kanpur and Akbarpur segments. The victorious candidates Shree Prakash Jaiswal (a vaishya) and Raja Rampal (gadariya) won the polls negating the caste combination.

In Shrawasti, Dumriyaganj, Maharajganj and Kushninagar, Brahmins, Dalits and Muslims accounted for more than 50 per cent votes but they preferred Congressâ Vinay Pandey in Shrawasti (Brahmin) Jagdambika Pal and Harshwardhan Singh (both Thakurs) and RPN Singh (Kurmi) from Dumariyaganj, Maharajganj and Kushinagar seats respectively.

In Moradabad and Bareilly too, Mohammed Azharudin (Muslim) and Praveen Aron (vaishya) sailed through.