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Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 09-19-2008
'<b>India has right to test, US has right to respond'</b>
One week left before US Congress go for long vacation. I don't think bill will come during this session. Congress is too busy with financial mess.
Now lets hope for GE and bye bye to Shame of India, Queen and SoniaDas and all his liquidation plan of India's security.
Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 09-23-2008
<b>It's official: Shame of India, PM won't ink N-deal with Bush</b>
Something always good comes out of bad situation.
Now Indians should push for election ASAP. Kick out these morons out of power.
Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 09-24-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>2.5 lakh hi-tech jobs on anvil in US post-deal </b>
Pioneer.com
S Rajagopalan | Washington
Amid the uncertainty over timely passage of the India-US civil nuclear deal, the US Chamber of Commerce has made a strong pitch for its quick approval by writing to all lawmakers on the deal's extraordinary business and employment potential for America:<b> A potential of $150 billion of new investment and 2,50,000 high-tech American jobs</b>.Â
"With India's 34-year nuclear isolation now history, the opportunity for US companies today is tremendous, with a potential $150 billion of new investment. If US companies are allowed to compete, a modest share of that business could support 2,50,000 high-tech American jobs," Chamber Chairman R Bruce Josten said in a letter to all Senators and Representatives.
In the Chamber's estimation, US companies could greatly benefit from India's expected 30,000 to 60,000 MW of new nuclear generating capacity by 2030.
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Well , now after 2 election, story may be very different. Two more days to go before Congress will go for slumber party.
Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 09-24-2008
<b>N-deal: India finds 'change in language' unacceptable</b>
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Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 09-24-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->N-deal: India finds 'change in language' unacceptable<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 09-24-2008
<b>Why India is upset with George W Bush & Co</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A part of the bill, which the Committee titled the 'United States-India Nuclear Cooperation Approval and Nonproliferation Enhancement Act,' that India found unpalatable were in particular that it had to be in strict conformity with the Hyde Act, and also that in the event India tests, the US would not simply 'discourage' other Nuclear Supplier Group members to deny India nuclear equipment, materials and technology to India but work to 'prevent' such transfers.
Also, that the commitments regarding fuel supplies are indeed political and not legally binding.
In Section 101, titled Approval of Agreement, and sub-section (b) with regard to Applicability of Atomic Energy Act of 1954, Hyde Act, and other provisions of Law, the legislation approved by the Committee said, "The Agreement shall be subject to the provisions of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, the Henry J Hyde United States-India Peaceful Atomic Energy Cooperation Act of 2006, and any other applicable United States law."
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Should I read this, Shame of India is saying Bush punked him.
Fool always get fooled. Fool is written all over Moron Singh. Now Bush gave him excellent certificate.
Babus of India should be ashamed of themselves. slap on MEA fools.
Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 09-24-2008
<b>One more twist to row dogging Indo-US nuclear deal</b>
Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 09-24-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Sep 24 2008, 09:56 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Sep 24 2008, 09:56 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->N-deal: India finds 'change in language' unacceptable<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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What?!?! You don't trust our Honorable Man Mohan Singh's words to the nation? OMG!!
Tsk Tsk..... Sonia matha and honorable prime minister have not yet called quits from working tirelessly towards hoodwinking the nation and delivering it to the west, vatican, etc etc... Well, at least the game is almost over, and nothing will be left to speculate over intentions of any leaders of India and implications/consequences to deal with later on.
Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 09-25-2008
kram,
Check Mrs Moron Singh picture with Barracuda of Alaska [15 onwards]
http://news.aol.com/article/mccain-to-halt...1757x1200621705
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Nuclear Thread - 4 - ramana - 09-26-2008
He gives masonic signals when he is abroad. There is one of him in Moscow with Putin by his isde. His is not a handshake.
Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 09-28-2008
<b>US House of Representatives approves nuclear pact with India</b>
Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 09-28-2008
http://svaradarajan.blogspot.com/
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Senate is likely to approve an identically worded Bill on Monday, President Bush will then sign it into law, and Dr. Rice is slated to travel to Delhi on October 3 to get the 123 Agreement signed by the Indians.
So what should India do?
1. Simply roll over and sign
2. Sign it with a strong reiteration of its national understanding, repudiating the riders that have been inserted by President Bush and Congress?
3. Tell Condi, thanks but no thanks.
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Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 09-29-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>A bruised, mangled deal </b>
The Pioneer Edit Desk
This is definitely not what the PM promised
It is now immaterial how soon the US Congress gives its approval to the India-US civil nuclear cooperation agreement so that it can be formally signed by the two countries. The 123 Agreement has hit a roadblock in the Senate where a lawmaker has 'anonymously' put a hold on it to prevent any attempt to push it through by unanimous consent without debate and vote. US congressional proceedings allows such interventionism, just as it allows the introduction of new restrictive clauses by way of separate though related legislation. The Senate Committee on Foreign Relations has done precisely this by attaching two new clauses, via a separate legislation, to make the discontinuation of American nuclear fuel and reactor supplies, as well as the return of material already supplied to India, legally binding in the event of New Delhi deciding to conduct fresh nuclear tests. The House will adopt a similar law, thus removing any scope of the US Administration taking a political call if India were to test. Those in the Government who have stunningly reduced foreign policy and strategic affairs to a single point agenda of signing the 123 Agreement irrespective of the cost to India have, predictably, waved away the new imposition by taking recourse to past utterances about how India retains the right to test and the US retains the right to respond. This is not bull-headed obduracy but outright foolishness which will convince only the naïve and the ill-informed. The rider mentioned in President George W Bush's letter to the US Congress while seeking its approval for the 123 Agreement will now stand erased from the realm of presidential discretionary powers and shall be written into American law. India will be forced to comply with additional Washington-imposed restrictions simply because the Prime Minister is smitten by Mr Bush and overawed by American power play; his folly shall become the nation's burden.
Meanwhile, <b>Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has added a further twist to the much-touted deal by promising the House of Representatives that the US will persuade the 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group at its meeting in November "to prohibit the export of enrichment and reprocessing equipment and technology to states that are not members of the Non-Proliferation Treaty" -- a rather long-winded description that applies to India in this specific context. Once that happens, the fiction that has been peddled by the Prime Minister and his aides all along -- that India can secure from other suppliers what will be denied to it by the US -- shall stand exposed.</b> It will also highlight the fact that after pandering to every American demand and straitjacketing India's strategic nuclear programme, the Prime Minister has managed to secure nothing more than a severely bruised and mangled agreement which will ensure one-way benefits for the US nuclear power industry. The end product bears no resemblance to what the Prime Minister promised the nation or a section of the media publicised so unabashedly. What makes the American deal particularly rotten is the impact it will have on other bilateral agreements which India proposes to sign, for instance with France and Russia, for nuclear fuel and reactor supplies. These agreements cannot be dramatically different from what has been agreed to with the US simply because they will be governed by NSG guidelines which, in turn, are fashioned after American policy. The tragic short-selling of India's interests which began in July 2005 will come to haunt us not long after the <b>Prime Minister and the man whom he so "deeply loves" demit office.</b>Â
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Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 09-30-2008
<b>The French Connection: India's nuclear isolation ends</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The officials on both sides noted that both the countries share common concerns and objectives in the field of non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and their means of delivery including in view of possible linkages to terrorism.
Under the social security agreement to be signed between India and France, workers on short term contract up to five years, do not have to make any social security contribution provided they continue to make social security payments in India and France respectively.
For Indians working in France, these benefits shall be available even when the Indian company sends its employees to the French Republic from a third country.
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Nuclear Thread - 4 - shamu - 09-30-2008
I would still prefer major deals with Russia than with France. France, despite its show of independence, is part of western block. There is no guarantee that France will not sit with that block tightly some time later.
Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 10-01-2008
Russia is showing middle finger to Shame of India. Currently Shame of India is serving his paying master in US.
France started Narora Nuclear plant, but ditched India in middle from US pressure. India had trapped themselves in same ditch.
<b> FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU! FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME </b>
Fools will remain fool.
Nuclear Thread - 4 - Naresh - 10-01-2008
<b>Mudy Ji :</b>
Your comments please - especially wrt the bolded portions.
Many thanks in advance.
<b>US Senate begins debate on nuke deal ahead of vote</b>
<i>1 Oct 2008, 2009 hrs IST,PTI</i>
WASHINGTON: The US Senate on Wednesday opened a debate on the Indo-US nuclear deal before taking up for vote a legislation on the initiative, four da
ys after the House of Representatives gave its nod to the landmark agreement.
In his opening remarks, Christopher Dodd, the Acting Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, urged his colleagues to approve the HR 7081 Bill on the civil nuclear cooperation between India and the US.
Ahead of the Senate taking up the issue, Democratic Senators Byron Dorgan and Jeff Bingaman introduced two amendments to ensure that the US nuclear exports to India do not help boost New Delhi's nuclear weapons programme.
Already approved by the House of Representatives, the Bill has a paragraph that the US can cease nuclear cooperation with India if New Delhi conducts a test.
<b>The amendment proposed by Dorgan says that "notwithstanding any other provision of law, the US may not export, transfer or re-transfer any nuclear technology, material, equipment or facility under the Agreement if the Government of India detonates a nuclear explosive device after the date of the enactment of this Act."
Bingaman has proposed that if India detonates a nuclear weapon after the date of the enactment of the Act, the US President has to certify to Congress that no American technology, material, equipment or facility supplied to India under the Agreement assisted New Delhi's test.</b>
At least 60 lawmakers in the 100-member Senate have to give their approval to the bill for it to be cleared in the chamber. The House of Representatives on Saturday approved the legislation with a two-thirds majority.
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Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 10-01-2008
Nareshji,
Since beginning I am saying this bill is to neuter India, but if you have impotent Indian leadership, does it matter whether US perform surgery to neuter them.
This bill will create lot of Job in US and poor Indians will pay bills, but in case some leader in future with guts tries to improve security and tried to bring back nukes from shelf, poor Indians who had invested in that decoration piece which will take decades to become critical may never complete.
Just read history of Narora Plant that will give fair idea how this will work. At this stage leadership and Babus made money to serve them not India's interest.
Over one billion population can't produce a leader.
China and Pakistan can just march in and impotent leaders of India will spread their blue Pagri on streets to welcome marching forces.
Nuclear Thread - 4 - Guest - 10-02-2008
Indo-US Nuclear Deal Demystified
- U Narayana Das
Nuclear Thread - 4 - ravish - 10-02-2008
Virenji,
Thanks for posting this very informative article. It is pity that despite the wise words of caution from Mudiji, the Indians masses have failed to act. There is neither a street demonstration nor a revolution for installing a new and more sensible regime devoid of incompetent fellows and foreigners.
I have one question. It is today a known fact that India has nuclear weapons. In case these are put to use there will be devastation. India has presently declared a moratorium , So why should there be any future need to test a nuclear device, since the ones we have in our possession to cause sufficient devastation of our opponent. The only item that can and needs to be continuously upgraded are the delivery systems. Development of more modern weapon delivery system does not fall under the category of developing a nuclear weapon. Therefore, the question of conducting another nuclear test does not arise. Even today, the A bomb of the same design that was used against Japan in 1946 can still be used with the same devastating effect. So what is the need to test more nuclear devices. Hence , the whole question of India-US Nuclear deal appears to have been hijacked by a few political functionaries.