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Jan Lokpal movement - simplyrohit21 - 01-07-2012 [url="http://www.timesofassam.com/headlines/anna-hazare-and-jan-lokpal-bill-drama-ends/"]Anna Hazare and Jan Lokpal Bill ââ¬â Drama Ends[/url] Quote:Unfortunately, [color="#0000FF"]the youth who had joined in masses to stand against corruption did not see through any of these facts just as they did not question while buying Anna Caps worth a few bucks (21st century version of Gandhi caps) for hundreds of rupees just to stand with the glamour.[/color] Nor did anyone demand to keep Corporates and NGOs into the ambit of Lokpal. Extremely important point there. Petty sentimentalism must end; not just in case of this 'movement' but also for all those inane and naive 'bhai-bhai', 'all religions are same', 'peace-peace', 'love-love' non-sense. Jan Lokpal movement - Guest - 01-07-2012 Anna completed its cycle. Now next idiot will be propped up. But citizens are fed up with corrupt Congress and Babus, fire is still there. Indians need trigger for revolution and kick out elites and corrupt babus. What will be the trigger, who knows. In Tunisia it was unemployed youth killed by corrupt police ! Lets see. Indian History is full of uprising after some period, next is over due. Jan Lokpal movement - ravish - 01-09-2012 To have a revolution against corruption in India will certainly bring in improvement in the public life of this nation. However, one has to see the ground realities as it exists in India today. Firstly, let us take the political machinery of the nation. Over the years, the two important national level parties have lost their influence and power in certain pockets of the country. They have been replaced by the regional parties who have considerable influence in their respective areas. When the general election to the Parliament is announced, naturally these regional parties play a major role .The national level parties go out of the way to seek support of these regional centres of power in order to gain the maximum number of seats in parliament. Ideology does not play any major role in this exercise. The second most important factor relates to the caste and communal line up of the voters. The latest example is the induction of Shri Ajit Singh as a Union Minister and the induction of ex-BSP Ministers sacked by the UP Chief Minister in the BJP. Not long ago the Communists are in alliance with the Congress in running the Central Government. When on the nuclear issue, the first UPA Government was about to lose its majority in Parliament, many other parties came running from the opposition camp to save the Government. No one irrespective of his party affiliation or ideological affiliation have the courage to face the electorate till they are compelled to do so due to the constitutional requirements. In the process of ensuring electoral success for each formation of political parties, their members take the help and assistance of all such individuals who have some following in their respective areas of operation either due to caste factor, communal factor or money factor. In Indian politics of today no political leader is untouchable for any political party. Pending criminal cases, ranging from attempted murder to rape are not any longer a deciding factor in the selection of candidates by the political parties. The third important factor is the wide variation in the thinking of the voters across the nation. Each region has its own problems, social compulsions and other related factors which play in the mind of the voters while casing their votes. Most of them are happy to see that their limited objective of getting the man of their own choice gets fulfilled by whatever means it may be. Corruption and money power plays a very important role in the whole electoral process. The youths of the country who participate in the election campaign of various political parties mostly do so not due to ideological considerations but more due to materialistic gains and other benefits. It should be noted that there is hardly any difference in the internal power dynamics and running of the party of the different political parties. Both the Congress and the BJP act along the same lines while conducting the affairs of their party. Both tolerate corrupt and tinted politicians due to political necessicity. In this prevailing situation to think of some Tunasian type revolt is nothing but wishful thinking, which is nothing unusual for this forum. It may be recalled that during the last general election , the predictions made by political experts of this forum ultimately proved to be wide off the mark. Jan Lokpal movement - Capt Manoj Singh - 02-19-2012 [url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/Hazare-says-he-is-fit-and-ready-to-resume-fight/articleshow/11943772.cms"]None to take the fight against corruption forward?[/url] Jan Lokpal movement - simplyrohit21 - 03-20-2012 A very strange event has happened today viz Anna went to meet Baba Ramdev. I find this particularly curious as this is the same man who once sent a list of some 10 odd conditions to BR when he asked to fast with Anna. Also worth noting is that way back in Feb (or Jan IIRC) last year, there was a huge rally in Delhi at Ram Leela Maidan where both of them were together; later on "Team Anna" started its own movement (mostly under the aegis of NGOs funded by you know who). Later on when the Mumbai fast went kaput, indications were clear that this "Team Anna" was going to invite BR again. I have a feeling that they only wish to capitulate on the popularity of BR and capture some numbers from his movement to theirs. I would love to hear other members views. Jan Lokpal movement - Capt M Kumar - 03-23-2012 Well, for a change, this time around, Ramdev has somersaulted and said that he won't be joining Anna's ?fast. Source; Zee tv news of this morning Jan Lokpal movement - simplyrohit21 - 03-23-2012 [quote name='Capt M Kumar' date='23 March 2012 - 06:55 AM' timestamp='1332465423' post='114634'] Well, for a change, this time around, Ramdev has somersaulted and said that he won't be joining Anna's ?fast. Source; Zee tv news of this morning [/quote] Nice if it is so; I remember watching BR's youtube videos in which he is revealing to a gathering of people about the funding of Anna's "movement" and I was wondering, ever since the above developments, as to how could he support/be on the same platform, when he himself is fully aware of this mlechchha sponsored Janlokpal "movement" of "Team Anna". Hope he becomes more vocal about the dubiousness of this new useful fool. Jan Lokpal movement - Guest - 03-26-2012 [quote name='Amatya Rakshas' date='23 March 2012 - 07:57 AM' timestamp='1332469143' post='114635'] Nice if it is so; I remember watching BR's youtube videos in which he is revealing to a gathering of people about the funding of Anna's "movement" and I was wondering, ever since the above developments, as to how could he support/be on the same platform, when he himself is fully aware of this mlechchha sponsored Janlokpal "movement" of "Team Anna". Hope he becomes more vocal about the dubiousness of this new useful fool. [/quote] Anna is suspicious from very beginning. only purpose was to destroy Baba Ramdev and his movement. To some extent he was able to do so. People around Anna are looking for big pay day and glory from international club (UN, EU etc). Jan Lokpal movement - simplyrohit21 - 03-30-2012 [quote name='Mudy' date='26 March 2012 - 01:38 AM' timestamp='1332705611' post='114639'] Anna is suspicious from very beginning. only purpose was to destroy Baba Ramdev and his movement. To some extent he was able to do so. People around Anna are looking for big pay day and glory from international club (UN, EU etc). [/quote] I am afraid that their take over is now nearing completion. They've --IMO-- successfully hijacked the movement and taken over public imagination across the country. History repeating itself. (Aurobindo, Tilak and many others were working in the true spirit of Bharat; enter Gandhi and then starts the hijacking.) PS: Surprisingly, his recent one day token fast didn't get the kind of coverage from english electronic media the way last one got; not even from Times Now, which is heavily funded by US based groups and thus sympathetic to the cause of Ford/Rockefeller foundation. Other reason could be that it has served its purpose and is no longer required, so taking cue from the govt. these channels are no more interested (Hindi channels did air the event entire day). At this point, it appears to me that this is a very complex mesh of varying anti-India forces. What do the other members think? Jan Lokpal movement - ashish_puntambekar - 05-20-2012 Sirs, On the link below is an 8 page Economic & Strategic Impact Assessment of the Jan Lokpal Bill... in terms of what it means for India ... in Economic Parlance. http://www.slideshare.net/Ashish.Puntambekar/rough-economic-analysis-of-the-jan-lokpal-bill Very briefly, the bill will bring about a very transparent investment regime that will catalyze the following impacts : 1. Help to nearly Triple Indian GDP from US $ 1.8 Trillion currently ... to US $ 4.5 Trillion by 2025 2. Triple FDI inflows from US $ 25.83 Billion ( 2009 - 10 ) ... to US $ 75 Billion by 2016 3. Create 60 Million New Jobs by 2025 ... Details in Annexure 1 of attached PDF File The truth is that the Argument in favour of the Jan Lokpal Bill is 90 % Economic and ... that debate has not even started ( in Parliament , In Industry, in the Media etc ). [color="#FF0000"]If Parliament did not discuss the Economic Impact of the Bill , what did Parliament talk about ?[/color] There is a need to move beyond the Clauses of the bill and the other issues that vested interests are bringing up to scuttle the movement and look at the Hard Numbers ( Described above ) instead. While there may be different views on the Investment Multiplier impacts that I have considered in my analysis ( Annexure 1 ) , the fact is that the scale of Impact will still be huge. As the economy expands into a US $ 4.5 Trillion economy, Government Employee salaries will also rise very considerably within the Central and State Governments.This will reduce the incentive for corruption. Those against the bill are saying that the Lokpal Institution will need 55,000 Employees ... what they are not telling us is that the Lokpal bill will also create an Investment environment that will generate 60,000,000 New Jobs. The impact is so huge that we need a national debate on the Economic impact of this bill to get a better grip on the numbers. A Team of senior Economists can be trusted with this task. On the cautious side, certain clauses within the Jan Lokpal Version ( i.e Inclusion of the Prime Minister and Higher Judiciary) however need to be removedto safeguard our democracy. Other than these 2 - 3 clauses, this bill is just what the economy needs. From a Strategic Viewpoint it is necessary to Focus on just the Economic Impact of the Jan Lokpal Bill.This is, as I have said earlier , 90 % of the Argument in its favour. Today GDP Growth rate has fallen drastically to 6.1 % ( In the 3rd Quarter of 2011 - 12 ) and the Major Credit Rating agencies have downgraded India as an investment destination ... primarily due to lack of transparencyand Corruption in all Govt.Deals and Licenses.The Rupee is also falling. Everyone in this country apparently has been looking at the Clauses ... and stuff like that. Absolutely NO ONE has Looked at the Strategic Big Picture Impact of the Bill. There is a need to do this. Sincerely, Ashish Puntambekar Project Designer The Indian Education Megaproject ... An Alternative to the RTE ... Free Education for 126 Million Children ... Without Budgetary Support http://www.nataraja.org.in/masseducationproject.htm & The Mumbai Megaproject http://www.nataraja.org.in/site_includes/documents/Mumbai_Megaproject_Presentation_24_September_2011.pdf Noteable Responses : 1. Mr. Bharat Karnad of the centre of Policy Research ( New Delhi ) had included a reference to my Analysis in his Article in the Indian Express. The article is on the Indian Express website and available on the link below : http://expressbuzz.com/search/people%E2%80%99s-visceral-antipathy/307600.html Paragraphs 6 & 7 contain the reference. 2. Professor Bibek Debroy has posted his response on the Economic Impact of the Lokpal Bill on the Economic Times Website : http://blogs.economictimes.indiatimes.com/policypuzzles/entry/economic-benefits-of-lokpal Jan Lokpal movement - Husky - 05-22-2012 Not on Anna or Jan Lokpal. But on something Ramdev said (because his name cropped up in this thread most often in recent times). 1. haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=15938&SKIN=B Quote:A most dangerous move By Baba Ramdev towards Muslim appeasement This appeasement of the enemy ideologies seems to be a repeated pattern of Hindus going into politics... Are there ANY exceptions at all? I mean, is there ANYONE who puts their foot down and avoids wooing christoislamics (or christoislamism), and only focuses on Hindus? Or is treachery to be the lot in Hindus' lives? 2. And Ramdev's amendment follows, which doesn't seem to make his position any more sensible (nor does it explain his choice of words in the above, which must have been conscious wording to some degree at least): haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=15939&SKIN=B Quote:Human justice and national interest is my top priority - Baba Ramdev Feeding the canker is so obviously a very good idea. atire: What's really sad - and unfair, and angering - is none of these people will ever be around to take responsibility for their utterly irresponsible remarks and for the weight such things carry owing to their influence and which could hence be brought down to bear on Hindus' future. They may never know how, decades or a century or perhaps several centuries hence, their ill-advised and dangerous meddling in favour of inimical ideologies sharply contributed to the demise of Hindus' heathenism. Their actions marking milestones in the lead up to The Fall of genuine Hindu religion (not counting new-ageisms that may spring up by that name in future). You know, the way Licinius - who once helped his co-emperor Constantine in beginning the Wipe-out of Hellenismos - didn't know the extent which his betrayal had brought to Hellenismos. Most convenient then, that a human lifespan does not often exceed a centenary. And most convenient not to know the guilt one personally bears in making victims out of future generations. One need never learn how much one is to blame for the loss of everything worthy and good. But, back to his "argument": So, one must utterly indiscriminately prop up the case for "The Poor"? OK, but then (Indiscrimate being the word): - Let's not forget the Poor among the illegally infiltrated Bangladeshi and TSP muslims. They're massively poor (they're also massively plotting jihad. But that is of no concern as per Ramdev's sole criteria for consideration.) - Or the poor among the jihadi Lashkar-e-Toiba (or whatever) operating in Kashmir and other jihadi outfits in the country and the poor among the christoterrorist outfits like NLFT/etc. - And what about the number of poor among any actual criminals justly serving time in Indian prisons??? And why stop at India? Since Tolerance For Intolerance is the slogan - we care not Who these people are brainwashed to kill or oust, and how many more they will massacre when they are empowered through further money into multiplying and doing propaganda and enlisting for soldiery in the jihad-crusade - then, what about the poor unemployed among the neo-nazis in the west? Or let's just go back in time, and plead for the Poor Nazis (Germany's economical slump after WWI was one of the factors congenial to nazism in Germany.) Poverty is the only criteria after all, not whether any of the poor are ideologically safe to society... I.e. whether a parasite deserves to be fed along with the host... Come to think of it, there were many poor European christo conquistadors and dirt-poor christo soldiers who conquered the New World for That Excuse For Evil: The Non-existent Jeebus. (Europe's greed for expansion and to raise itself from poverty is what made it look for gold and seek opportunism in the New World.) In contrast, the native Americans were by all accounts prosperous - more than enough to share their food repeatedly with the hostile invasion force and then get "rewarded" for their unthinking and regrettable generosity by being genocided. The native Americans fed and supported their christo-enemy into sufficient strength to destroy their heathen benefactors. Rather like what Ramdev stands poised to do. While native Americans didn't know better - not having a knowledge of christo history to hand, the way the Ramdevs and Hindus can know their enemy ideologies today - for Hindus to do the same now is to once more emphasise one of the famous lines from the SW spoof Spaceballs: [color="#0000FF"]"And now you know why Evil always wins: because Good is dumb."[/color] (If a line is true, it doesn't hurt repeating it) Sensible people - you know, the kind that's less likely to extinct - would be good/kind only to those who are good to you, or at least have done none harm (compare with christoislamism which has in some manner destroyed *every* population it has come into contact with). You owe enemies no courtesy and no consideration. And deadly parasites you particularly owe Nothing. Assuming Ramdev actually made such statements, then whatever his motivations are - despite flowery words and rosy notions - if his followers continue to support this, they *will* be signing their own death warrants. One of the comments taken from the first HK link of this post: Quote:GSK Menon Jan Lokpal movement - simplyrohit21 - 07-31-2012 [url="http://www.firstpost.com/politics/modi-not-only-communal-but-also-corrupt-kejriwal-396185.html"]Modi not only communal but also corrupt: Kejriwal[/url] So there it is; true colors are out finally. Quote:Q: Baba Ramdev has been closely associated with the movement. Yesterday he was seen sharing a stage with Narendra Modi, were he even praised Modi. Many of the members of the movement are critical of Baba Ramdev on this. What do you have to say on this? Jan Lokpal movement - Capt Manoj Singh - 08-01-2012 [quote name='Amatya Rakshas' date='30 July 2012 - 11:52 PM' timestamp='1343688273' post='115257'] [url="http://www.firstpost.com/politics/modi-not-only-communal-but-also-corrupt-kejriwal-396185.html"]Modi not only communal but also corrupt: Kejriwal[/url] So there it is; true colors are out finally. [/quote] True Colours - Listen to this and then decide!![url="http://youtu.be/63h1G6E9wCM"]Conspiracy[/url] Jan Lokpal movement - Capt Manoj Singh - 08-02-2012 Anna ji and Arvind ji have raised few questions. They have called for the people to answer these questions. Please answer these. You can email to indiaagainstcorruption.2010@gmail.com 1. How to select candidates from people? How to ensure their credentials? 2. How to contest elections without spending money (unlike all political parties do). 3. How to enlighten voters to vote on issues and not any other indicator (caste, booze or money). Jan Lokpal movement - simplyrohit21 - 08-29-2013 Namaste to all members. It's been long time <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />/>/> Lately I've been observing the 'invitation' and visit of Anna Hazare to US and naturally curious about his activities, given that he wants to bring change in India but curiously visits USA. Some questions I posted elsewhere in response to which I got a forwarded email(!) instead of a pointed, nuanced response. I am posting that here hoping the learned members, especially those from USA will be able to give specific answers. Quote:"Hazare, who will leave for the US on 15 August, said he will be visiting Columbia University, Wharton University, New York, Washington, South Carolina, Atlanta, Chicago, Petersburgh and attend a meeting with the governor of Delaware during the course of the trip." dhanyawad. PS: A body called FIA (Federation of Indian Associations) seems to be involved in it, and some shabbily written posts on the net suggest, that the individuals in charge there are involved in financial mismanagement. At any rate, the India Day Parade, which you share dais with pop-cultural "icons", doesn't seem to be a serious business to me; more like phony tamasha/mela gathering IMHO. Please correct me If I'm wrong. Of course all this is happening with US/Xtian lobbies, but I wanted specific names if possible. Jan Lokpal movement - Capt Manoj Singh - 05-30-2014 [url="http://punsnroses.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/come-india-lets-all-hate-arvind-kejriwal/"]Worth a read even if you do not agree with the author[/url] |