Quote:Introduction to the Baha'i Faith for the Followers of Krishna



The 'Song of God' or Bhagavad-Gita was first given to Arjuna around 1246 B.C. by Krishna. It is considered the 'gospels' of Hinduism. The essence of the teachings of Krishna is this: that we should detach from materialism in order to evolve spiritually. In the Baha'i Faith, we have a similar teaching that we should detach from all save God.



The full teaching to the Indian people are called the Vedas. They constitute six times the bulk of the Bible and recount similar stories and figures; such as the coming of Adam, the flood of Noah, and the missions of Shem and Abraham.



(Amazing how Bahai have become the experts on the Vedas. The proof that they have no idea what they're spewing is in how they have imagined Adam, Noah and Shem/Abraham into the Vedam - and convenient ignorance about how deluge stories are present in most ancient heathen religions, which is where they were copied into the missionary religions.

Bahai is right up there with how oryanists like to read themselves - Europeans "Oryans" - into the Vedas.)



For example, one of the oldest figures in the Vedas was Manu. He was the "progeniter of humanity." His followers were known as the Manus. "According to the Vedas, the Manus represent the earliest Divine Lawgivers, who established sacrificial acts and religious ceremonies." (Encyclopedia of Eastern Philosophy and Religions, pg. 220) An enlightening parallel when compared with the book of Genesis which recounts Adam as the first divine lawgiver. It was Adam who taught his descendants their rituals of sacrifice. This is but one of the numerous parallels that occur throughout the texts of all the world's religions.



(Huh. Not sure what the World's Stupidest Invented (AKA Missionary) Religion is any more. Each one is more delusional than the one before. It's like they're competing for "the most mentally-regressing" prize. This one is pure drivel.)



There is a relationship between the Vedas to the Holy Bible. In part, this is due to the lineage of Krishna and the Indian people which can be traced back to Adam. Krishna is a descendent of Adam (Manu) through Abraham's third wife Keturah. Moses and the Israelites share a lineage tracing back to Adam through Abraham's first wife Sarah. More importantly, the religions of the Hindus and of the Jews and Christians all originate from the same, Omniscient Creator of the universe. All dissimilarities are due to the tamperings of the clergy classes.



(Since the Vedas have zip-all in common with the Abrahamic religions, the entire Vedam must therefore be dubbed one big dissimilarity. So Bahai should explain the *entire* vedam away as "the tampering of clergy classes", and leave the Vedas and Hindus out of their insane and late mythmaking.)



The Hindu texts speak of teachers or prophets that are sent from Brahma (the One True Invisible God). They call them Avatars which means, "an incarnation of divine consciousness on Earth." These teachers have this title because they recieve the "Logos" which is "thought of God." Baha'is refer to these great Avatars as "Manifestations" because they manifest the attributes of God to mankind. They come progressively and teach humanity spiritual truths and reveal laws for an ever advancing civilization. The Vedas speak of 10 Avatars that are to come in this cycle of humanity known as the Adamic cycle which was started with the coming of Adam 6000 years ago.



(Avataras are not "prophets", which is a feature of ME and W-Asian religion. Avataras are full manifestations of the Hindu - note not Bahai or any other - Gods.



And of course, other self-delusional Bahai lies in the above para need correction too, like: 1. the Hindu God Brahma is not invisible nor the sole Hindu God: he is for example part of a trinity of male Gods and is further married to female Goddesses. That's as per *Hindu* texts, hence totally contrary to Bahai make-believe about what said Hindu texts have to say. 2. Plus the Vedas don't speak of 10 avataras, but other Hindu texts do speak of the 10 avataras. 3. And they're not of any random invisible=invented monogawd's avataras either: the Hindu texts - i.e. the only legitimate texts to speak of 10 avataras or of any avataras for that matter - speak of the particular Hindu God *Vishnu's* 10 avataras.)



These Avatars, chronologically, were Adam, Moses, Krishna, Zoroaster, Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, the Bab and Baha'u'llah. Baha'u'llah was the 9th Avatar (aka - the "reincarnation of Krishna). Baha'u'llah revealed the "New" Song of God for this day. His is the message desperately needed for a demoralized society. The 10th Avatar is called Kalki Avatar; he appears at the end of this cycle or age (now) with his sword drawn for the final destruction of the wicked. What you will find here is Proof that Baha'u'llah truly is the one sent from Brahma. His proof is given from The Holy Bible because we live in a predominately Christian society. If you would like to read the proof for the Kalki Avatar, please download Over the Wall from our homepage.



(All missionary religions that poach on one of the Dashaavataram, always poach on Kalki to close as the 10th. This is because Hindus' religion made the 10 famous and always held up Kalki as a future avataaram, which was well-known. Can see several Buddhisms use Hindus' Kalki in a manner similar to the Bahai, while declaring it all a Buddhism and peddling it about as Buddhism.



Plus need to negate further deranged Bahai lying: 1. The 10 avataras as per Hindu texts - which are again the only texts that can legitimately speak of avataras at all, all else are late and bad copies=invented religion - are nothing to do with Zoroastrianism let alone anything Abrahamic. 2. Again: Hindu texts/religion had never heard of anything Abrahamic. 3. The 10 avataras of Vishnu are - as anyone except adherents of invented=fake=lying religions would know: The Fish Matsya, the Tortoise Koorma, the Boar Varaha, the Man-Lion Narasimha, Vamana, Parashurama, Rama, Balarama, Krishna, Kalki. This is the predominant southern Hindu tradition, including of Shri Vaishnavas and Madhvas, Shankara Mathas and southern Shaivas incl. Shaktas. The northern Hindu tradition puts Balarama with Krishna - or makes Krishna a special case - and introduces Buddha between Krishna and Kalki. So either way, most of the invented Bahai list of alleged 10 avataras is just Bahai lying/drivel. 4. Also, the Hindu texts don't only speak of Vishnu's 10 avataras, but of his 24 avataras too - none of which includes anything from alien and late/invented religions eiter, but only includes further Indian-onlee avataras. In other words: Bahai can only make converts among idiots.)

Quote:Monday, August 11, 2014

Fwd: Are Iraq's Vanishing Pagan Yezidis the Hindus' Last Dharmic Cousins in the Middle-East ?

Quote:Further, Zoroastrians denied any original association between Zoroastrianism and Yezidism

Quote:THE YEZIDIS OF KURDISTAN - ARE THEY REALLY ZOROASTRIANS ???

by Noshir H. Dadrawala



Fellow Mazdayasni Zarathushtris,



The Gatha-alone cult in the West, in one of it's worst excesses, has thrown open the doors of our sacred religion to any Tom, Dick and Harry that wants to waltz in, on the payment of a "tax-deductible donation". We now have moneyed non-Zoroastrians, such as Muslims, Hindus, Christians and Jews going to the Gatha-alone cult to "try out" what passes for the ancient religion of Zarathushtra, before "moving on" to other New Age religions in the West.



"Try before you buy" seems to be the catch-all Western phrase at work here, but the Westerners dont seem to understand that such material attitudes cannot be applied to spirituality and the sacred religions of the East. Religions cannot be "tried out" then "discarded" as if they were ice cream cones - take the example of a lady we all know, who was born in a different religion, then "became" a Christian, and now her Muslim mentor wants to make her a "born-again Zoroastrian", and takes her to the "come one, come all" fire prayer halls in the West. This is the Gatha-alone cult in action, and TO US STAUNCH ZARATHUSHTRIS WHO BELIEVE THAT RELIGION IS SOMETHING SERIOUS AND NOT TO BE "CHANGED" EVER IN OUR LIVES, ALL THIS SEEMS VERY SICK.



(I agree with their criticism. But to be pedantic: the "Hindus" these Parsis speak of above are obviously new-age Hindus. New age 'Hindus' like to dabble almost as bad as aliens, and worse still: they invite alien dabbling and "conversion" into Hindus' ethnic religion.

Would apologise to Parsis for the new age "Hindus" terrorising their religion, except Hindoos are already terrorised by the same new ageists who keep inviting alien terrorists to parasite on Hindoos' ancestral heathenism, thereby making Hindoos' and Hindu religion equally victims of the same menace that the above Parsis mentioned.

Some of these new age "Hindus" further try to invite alien terrorists to dabble in Taoism. :Grrr: No I'm not kidding. Of course, if it were up to me, no one would hear from such "Hindus" ever again...)



We must remember that this Gatha-alone cult is peopled mainly by ex-Muslims and other non-Zoroastrians, who of course fail to understand the pride and faith we born Zoroastrians feel in our religion, and the abhorrence we feel for the unhappy practise of conversion, which several Parsi scholar-dasturjis have confirmed was NEVER practised by our great and proud ancestors.



The fact is : today, the outsiders are selling our religion in exchange for cold CASH. This crass commercialization of our religion in North America is disgusting and needs to be opposed, our religion is NOT something that can be bought if one has enough money. Our Mazdayasni Zarathushtri Religion is our sacred BIRTHRIGHT and we will not see it CHEAPENED and SOLD in this manner.



Here is an article from the famous Parsi writer Noshir Dadrawala on the "Yezidis" of Kurdistan, these people have been proclaimed by the Gatha-alone cult to be "hidden Zoroastrians". Noshir examines this assumption, studies the beliefs of the Yezidis including their incredible reverance of Satan, and shows us once and for all HOW THE GATHA-ALONE CULT IN NORTH AMERICA IS MISLEADING THE ZOROASTRIAN COMMUNITY, AND MISLEADING THE WHOLE WORLD when it speaks and commits untruths in the name of our great religion.



Kudos to Noshir Dadrawala, and to scholars like Dr. Pallan Ichaporia in the West, who have frequently exposed the wrong teachings and actions of the ex-Muslim Gatha-alone Cult in the West.



A Note of warning: This article describes the religious ideas of the Yezidis, these ideas are non-Zoroastrian, and are only described here to show that their religion is not Zoroastrian.





<The main article then starts. See at link.

Interesting is that Yezidism is pointed out by Encyclopaedia Britannica as also having incorporated influences from Manichaeanism. Which could explain some of the "Hindu" imports into Yezidism.>



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Quote:Christine Allison (is the) Ibrahim Ahmed Professor of Kurdish Studies at University of Exeter

Quote:CAIS was established in 1998 by Shapour Suren-Pahlav and Oric Basirov (Department of Art and Archaeology), under the name of "Ancient Iranian Civilisation at the School of Oriental and African Studies" (AIC at SOAS) and later changed to "The Circle of Ancient Iranian Studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies" (CAIS at SOAS) of the University of London, to act as a forum for the exchange of information about the art, archaeology, culture and civilisation of Iranian peoples. CAIS no longer has any affiliation with SOAS.

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Like all religions, Yazidism can’t be explained in a sentence, but it has two key characteristics that can help us understand it. Firstly, there is a belief that divine beings (the “Seven Angels”) can reincarnate themselves in human form, most recently in the ancestors of their leading religious clans.



These people are called by the Arabic word “khas”. Saints and prophets from other religions – among them Jesus from the Christian faith and, Hasan al-Basri, the companion of Mohammed – have been claimed as “khas”. And since God is a remote figure, it is the chief of the Holy Beings, the Peacock Angel, who rules the world.



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Seventy-two persecutions

Yazidism, as we know it today, began in the 12th century, when the Muslim sheikh ‘Adi bin Musafir settled in the Kurdich hills north of Mosul, where he was acclaimed as a “khas by locals who followed an older religion from Iran, the origins of which are still debated.

Quote:Thursday, 17 March 2011

"Yazidism/Yezidism", origin of the Yezidis



Yazidism is also known as Sharfadin

(from Sharaf ad-Din ibn al-Hasan, sixth leader of the Adawiyya Sufi order).





The first leader, Sheikh Adi Ibn Musafir Al-Hakkari was born in the 1070’s.

He grew up in the village of Bait Far in the Bekka valley.

It is likely he was ethnically an Arab, but that is only going from the fact that he and his family had Islamic Arab names.

As a young man he went to study in Baghdad and later Mosul.

He became a Sufi and moved to the Sinjara mountains for spiritual contemplation and the creation of his Sufi order, called the Adawiyya.

He died here in 1162. His tomb, Lalesh, is now the center of Yazadi worship.

There were seven leaders of this Sufi order.





From the 1070’s – 1220’s the Middle East came under the rule of the Seljuk Turks.

Though ostensibly Sunni Muslims, they actually had a heterodox idea of Islam.

In the art of that era can be seen Buddhist mandalas, dragons, peacocks and lions. Even the sun had a place in the art of that time. The father of Alp Arslan, the first Seljuk Sultan, was Jewish by religion, his name was Mikhael. They had originally lived in the Khazar Khanate. Even in the Seljuk army there must have been many Nestorian Christian Turks from the Ferghana region.



Seeing the people and history behind the establishment of the Adawiyya order helps to understand why it was so heterodox, how it could have come to exist and why the descendants of this order, the Yazadi, have this heterodox religion today.





Sheik Adi claimed descent from the Ummayad Caliph Marwan (623-85 AD).

The order had the calamity, as the world did, to suffer from Mongol attacks.



[... timeline of Mongol attacks]



Even after the loss of their spiritual leader it seems the Adawiyya followers remained in the Sinjara region. They were a heterogeneous society, already comprising of Islamic Arab influences, Kurdish influences and as we will read further on, Aramaic Christian influences…



There are five castes in their society; Pir (clergy), Sheikh, Kawal, Murabi, and Murid (layity).

The “Mir” (Emirs) is the secular leader of the Yazadis, he claims descent from the Ummayad Caliphs. The “Sheik” is the religious leader.

Also there are three classes of within the Pir: Kochaks, Fakirs, and Farashes.

None of them are permitted to intermarry.



Marriage to outsiders has been shown to be punishable by death.



Although we assume the caste system is something from India, it was also strictly followed in pre-Islamic Iran.



(Uh *Yeah*. And also, didn't an old Zoroastrian website already admit that? Though the pre-Zoroastrian case may have looked more like the Indian varna setup than even the Zoroastrian one.)



All Yazadi are given spiritual guidance by the Sheikh and Pir families. More esoterically they are also given a “brother” or a “sister of the after-world”.

This is similar to Manichean ideology. Mani's teachings are revealed to him through his spiritual companion and celestial twin (his syzygos).



Yazidis, like the Buddhists and Druze, believe in reincarnation.

(1. And like the Manichaeans.

2. So Druze adopted it too, hmmm? IIRC Druze are a type of muslim - spin-off of Shia, was it? - considered heretical by other muslims.)



The name Yazadi is said to derive from the Ummayad Caliph Yazid.

They say that a “Sultan Ezdi” preceded the Caliph, who was a reincarnation of “Ezki”.

The only historical person who bore a name such as “Ezdi” before the era of the Caliphs was the Persian Shah, Yazdigerd III. He was the last Zoroastrian king of Persia.

Also the year Yazdigerd was crowned, 632 AD, marks the base year of the modern Zoroastrian calendar.

(I only knew of "Yazdgerd" : a place in Iran and thought it might be related to Yezidis.)





Yazdi meant Godly in middle Persian.

Even today the Parsees of India, who are Zoroastrian by religion, call themselves “Yazdi”.





Yazadis, like Zoroastrians are both forbidden from desecrating fire even to speak rudely in front of it. Extinguishing fire by water is not allowed in any circumstance as this destroys two elements, water and fire, at the same time.

Sun worship is ancient, even in Iraq where the center of Yazidism is located.

The ancient temple of Hatra, south-east from Mosul, was dedicated to Shamash god of the Sun.





They main Yazadi tribe in north Iraq is called “Dasani”. There was once a Christian diocese called Dasaniyat in that area.

It is supposed that this name is a legacy of the Nestorian Christians who joined the Adawiyya Sufi order, either escaping persecution from the Sunni Muslims or joining by free choice.

The Bishop of Arbel (Erbil) lamented the loss of his flock to Sheik Adi:

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In the Sinjara region many Yazadi villages still have Syraic Christian names.

Baptism and the Eucharist, both Christian practices, are part of the Yazadi religion.

Being baptized with water, when children, the priest holding their head.

Children can also be circumcised, though it is not mandatory.

Also in the Sinjara area, when a Yazadi man and woman marry, they will go to a Nestorian Christian church and partake in the Eucharist, drinking from the cup of wine which they call “Isa” (Jesus).

A newly married Bride is expected to visit all temples and churches on her way to the Grooms home, but not a mosque.





The Yazadi also share similar beliefs as the pre-Islamic Arabs had, such as the reverence of stones, wells, springs and trees.

These are also Mithraic beliefs.

Sacred trees have ribbons of cloth tied to their branches in offer of prayer.

It was believed if someone untied these, the person would be cursed.

Also the site of Lalesh seems to be based on Mecca.

(The “Haj” to the Kabba was already a part the tradition of Mecca before Islam.)

At Lalesh there is a spring called “Zamzam” and the pilgrims must walk up the nearby mountain as part of theis Haj, just as in Mecca pilgrims must walk up mount Arafat.



The Yazadi have five daily prayers; dawn, sunrise, noon, afternoon and sunset. Yet most pray only at sunrise and sunset.



There was an Armenian sect in the time of the first crusade, 1099 AD, called the “Arevordik”.

They worshipped the Sun.



Just as the number 5 is special to them, so is the number seven. There are seven Angels (Izrafael, Jibrael, Michael, Nordael, Dardael, Shamnael, and Azazael), in the Sinjara area there are seven temples with eternal flames. Above the tomb of Sheikh Adi at Lalesh is engraved a seven branced candelabra. The number seven was revered by the Sabeans who are mentioned in the Koran as “people of the book”.



The first Wednesday of April marks their new year. Of note is the custom of painting eggs.



There is also the great seven day festival (23 September-1 October) for Sheik Adi called “Cejna Cemaya” or Feast of the Assembly, in which the seven Angels are believed to visit Lalesh. A bull is also sacrificed, which seems to hark back to Mithra/Mir, the pagan Iranian god of the Sun. The festival of Mithras was celebrated on September 21 in pre-Islamic Iran.

(Lots of Mithraism and Iranian religion is also in christianism. Christianism is a syncretic spin-off of Judaism.)



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Quote:A young Hindu woman, a teacher in a Madrasa in Meerut, U.P was abducted, gangraped and forcibly converted to Islam, forcibly had her Fallopian tubes removed - forcibly sterilized by the Indian Taliban - she can never be a mother.

She states that there are over 40 young Hindu women held captive and being subjected to all kinds of bestiality in that Madrasa - possibly being held for trafficking as sexual slaves to Arab countries or sold off to brothels run by Jihadis around the country.



http :// m.rediff.com/news/report/tension-grips-meerut-after-woman-gang-raped-forced-to-convert/20140804.htm



Watch the victim narrate her story

https :// m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=J8A259ia9ow

Quote:In response, an individual call to protest was given by Arnab Chakravarty, a research scholar in SIS, under the banner of “United Hindus” on 13 October. This protest saw a 400-strong crowd. It saw the participation of students from all castes and regions be it Northeast, South India, North, East or West India. A large number of Left supporters especially girls joined it. The Left parties began to realize that by targeting Durga they had scored a self-goal. After all, the worship of Goddess is among the most ancient and sacred traditions of India. And even according to Aryan-Dravidian construct, worship of Shiva and Shakti is considered to be the indigenous tradition having its roots in tribal shamanic traditions.

Quote:The address नीललोहित can be interpreted in two ways- black in neck and red in rest of the body, or, Ardhanariswara with Devi’s part in black and Easwara’s part in red.

Quote:Madurapati, the guardian-deity of Madurai, has matted hair and a crescent moon resting in it, she has black-lily-like collyrium-painted eyes and a radiant face; her molar teeth stick out of her coral-like, red lips; her pearly teeth are bright like moonlight; the left side of her body is dark-blue, while the right is golden yellow; her left hand bears a golden lotus while the right wields a lustrous lovely axe; her right leg sports the warrior's ankle-ring while the left wears the peerless jingling anklet.1



Being the protector of the line of the Pandian, the lord of the cool Korkai and Kanyakumari ports, the ruler of Podiyil hills, whose northern boundary is the golden Himalayas, she appeared[...]

Quote:1 aruNa mf(%{A4} [RV. v , 63 , 6 , &c.] or %{I4} [RV. x , 61 , 4 , & , (nom. pl. %{aruNa4yas}) 95 , 6]) n. ( %{R} Un2.) , reddish-brown , tawny , red , ruddy (the colour of the morning opposed to the darkness of night) RV. &c. ; [...] m. red colour BhP. ; the dawn (personified as the charioteer of the sun) Mn. x , 33 , &c. ; the sun S3a1k. ;

[... lots of other meanings and personal names]

N. of a river MBh. iii , 7022 and ix , 2429 seq. , (%{I4s}) f. red cow (in the Vedic myths) RV. and SV. ; the dawn RV. ; (%{a4m}) n. red colour RV. x , 168 , 1 , gold AV. xiii , 4 , 51 ; a ruby BhP.

Quote:7. "You stand on the black head of the wild buffalo [=mahishasura; Vishnu-Durga moortis in TN show her standing on it], clothing yourself in elephant-hide and tiger-skin; [=exact description of Shiva's garments from dhyanam to Yajur Veda's Rudram and from Puranas. Amman dwells in half of Shiva's body, plus also dresses like she's the female version of him;]; worshipped by the celestials and beyond the reach of even the scriptures, [=being DurgA, hard to reach, repeated in may stotras that by bhakti she will be reached], you stand steady as the sprout of supreme wisdom! [= direct reference to upaniShads. DurgA IS umA who IS brahmavidya.]



8. "Wielding a sword in your hand, which wears bangles carved with lines, you killed the mighty buffalo and bestrode the stag with black, coiled horns. [=one of her vaahanas, also in old TN Hindu imagery] You are the effulgent light, ensconced in the lotus-hearts of Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma and scattering rays of light far and wide! [=repeating Pauranic texts and stotras. Plus the explicit reference to trimoorti makes Amman=parabrahman. And devaatmashakti from Vedam.]



9. "Holding the conch and the discuss in your lotus-hands, [=Vishnu-Durga, Vishnu-Maya from Puranas; ancient imagery of whom is present all over Hindu TN] you straddle the ferocious lion-like bull with blood-shot eyes. ["Lion-like bull": maybe like how Amman is ardhanaaree, her vaahanam is half-and-half with that of her husband too here? In images of Ardhanaarishwara this is shown as a simham or puli/vyaaghra on Amman's side and the vrishabham on Shiva's side.]

Assuming female form and adored 1w* [OCR error; "by"/"of"?] the scriptures, [=Vedas=Hindoo scriptures onlee; famous epithet of all Ammans], you occupy the occupy the left-half of the forehead-eyed Lord who bears the Ganga on his matted hair! [<- Repeats Vedas/upanishads. Amman is in vaamabhaagam of Shivan, this is IIRC said in the Rudrahridayopanishad. Mohini Amman is also said to be in Vaamabhagam of Shiva, and Vishnu in trimoorti forms of Shiva is said to be on the vaamabhagam and Brahma on the other side. Both Vishnu and Shiva's Shakti are nIlam in colour. Also, Mohini is on the vaamabhaagam of Shiva because both Mohini and DurgA are actually the same: Vishnu's Shakti=Vishnu's Prakriti=Vishnu- Maya/Mohini=Vishnu-DurgA=DurgA. These are all direct references to upanishads and puranas. Also SL IIRC says that Vishnu's form as Mohini was able to win Shiva only because it looked exactly like Lalitha, because Lalitha had granted this as a boon to Vishnu (since Ayyappa needed to be born to save the Hindoo cosmos). And also, Shaastaa/Dharmashaastaa is said to be Lalitaa's son. That's because he is Mohini's son. Because Mohini=Vishnu-Durga=Durga.]



19. "Please accept this blood mixed with flesh offered to you to the sound of the drum, the tabor and the horn by the huntsmen--who resemble the tiger which attacks at midnight--in fulfilment of the vow they had made touching the feet of yours, the virgin goddess!



[Durga is Kanyakumari. The Kanyakumari manifestation is eternally engaged but not yet married, since she needed to destroy an asura as a Kanya. In Tiruvilaiyadil or some other ancient Hindu tradition - which was filmed long ago - the Gods and Rishis finally reunite Kanyakumari and Shiva in the beyond and they are married.



Also, Adi Shankara in his Shivananda Lahari plays on the double-meaning of "Durga" in a verse, and the second (and romantic) meaning speaks of the divine romantic union of Uma-Shiva. I.e. that she is also not a virgin. I'd parrot it, but I have a tendency to spoil anything that is either funny or romantic in my re-telling.



Also the above and previous verse shows that Hindoos offering non-vegetarian foods to certain Gods is acceptable and traditional. That said I'm still a vegetarian and would only ever offer vegetarian fare.]



20. "O Sankara's spouse! One who pervades the skies! The blue-hued one! The Goddess who wears the red-eyed serpent and the crescent on her matted tresses! Please enjoy this offering of food by the huntsmen [...]



21. "Despite having consumed nectar, the celestials cannot escape death; but you remain immortal even after consuming poison1** that none else can imbibe. Please accept this offering made by the merciless huntsmen [...]



22. "You crawled through the pair of arjuna trees and felled them; you kicked to pieces the revolving wheel sent by your deceitful uncle Kamsa. Please accept this offering from the huntsmen [...]

Quote:"Sai Baba Took the Name of 'Allah'. He Said no to Ganga Snaan" By Prabhu Chawla

Published: 07th July 2014 07:27 PM

Last Updated: 07th July 2014 07:27 PM



Swami Shree Swaroopanand Saraswati talks to the New Indian Express Editorial Director Prabhu Chawla on his objections to the worship of Sai Baba, the Ram Temple, the scrapping of Article 370, and the promises made by PM Narendra Modi on Sachchi Baat on News X.



PC: Why did you raise the question on the worship of Sai Baba?



SS: We have been raising the issue for long. But the media wasn’t giving it attention. This time they have given it attention. We really have been saying this (for long).



PC: When did you last raise the issue?



SS: We had raised it during my visit to Mumbai.



PC: Did you say that people should stop worshipping Sai Baba?



SS: We believe in what AdiShankaracharyahad said – he had said that Shiva, Shakti, Vishnu, Ganesh, and Surya should be worshipped in the temples. They all are one in Brahma Roop.



PC: What about the 24 avatars?



SS: There are 24 avatars of Vishnu. For Shatki there are 10 MahaVidya and NauDurgas. The same way there are many avatars of Ganesh and Shiv.



PC: There are 33 crore deities in the Sanatan Dharma. Aren’t people free to worship the deity they want to?



SS: There are yantra,mantra and the method of worship related to the deities. The reward or fruit of Karma comes from the Lord. Sri Krishna has said in the Geeta that “I am the one who gives the worshippers of other Gods the fruit of their worship and devotion.”



PC: But you raised the question….



SS: Krishna in BhagvatGeeta says, “I am the ‘Avinashi’. Main sab praniyonkaishwarhun.Tab bhi main apniSachchinandRachnaprakritikabinatyagkiye hue apniyogmaya se avatarletahun.”



PC: Were Ram and Krishna not born? Is being born of Ram from Kaushalya mere imagination?



SS: It’s written in the Ramayana, ‘BhayPrakatKripala, DeenDayala…”Tulsidasji says in Ramayana, “Ram prakat hue, he wasn’t born out of Kaushalya.” Coming to Krishna, he was the Lord.He took an avatar out of his own wish.



PC: Has your raising the issue on Sai Baba’s worship divided the Hindus?



SS: We are not dividing the Hindus. People of the Hindu society who consider themselves part of the SanatanDharm were drifting. They were worshipping a man who was, by birth and deeds, a Muslim.



PC: Where is it written?



SS: It is written in their granths (holy books). I can show it to you.



PC: Is it written in the granthsthat he was born in a Muslim family?



SS: Yes. His devotees say it in his aarati.



PC:His devotees worship him. He never asked anyone to worship him. People considerShankaracharya God. You never asked people to address you as God.



SS:I would never ask devotees to establish my statue at a temple. Why are people doing what he hasn’t asked them to? A Sikh man told me yesterday, that Guru Nanak has saidthat he serves the Lord and that, he is here to see the world,people who address him as the “Lord” will be consigned to hell. There is a difference between God and Guru. A Guru is the one who guides us towards the devotion to the Lord,the one who makes us relate with the Lord. He is not the guru if he starts addressing himself as the “Lord”. In the SanatanDharm, we believe that the Saints and the Mahatamasshow us the path towards the Lord, and they direct us towards the worship of Lord. People are worshipping a person who never took the name of anyone but “Allah”, the one who said no to Ganga Snaan. People have made a God out him.



PC: You accepted Gautam Buddha as Lord.



SS: No. They don’t consider themselves part of the Sanatan Dharma.



PC: What about the Jains?



SS: Jains have 24 Teerthankars. They can’t consider Sai Baba the 25Teerthankar.



PC: Sikhs worship their Gurus.



SS: Yes. They do. We have no issues with that. I am referring to people of my religion. In our religion, it is said that you would be accepted by the Lord whom you remember in your last moments. Hence, be devoted to Krishna, to Ram.



(Swami Swaroopanand clearly distinguishes between the other Indic religions and Hindus' religion aka the Sanatana Dharma. Actually, there's a lot more that can be inferred about his views from the above statements as well.

Interviewer: "You accepted Gautam Buddha as Lord." Swami: "No." Classic.)



PC: You have issues with the size of Sai Baba’s statue as well.



SS: We are being duped. Sri Krishna showed Arjun his viraatroop. They are showing Sai Baba’s viraatroop and not Sri Krishna’s.



PC: Do you want to say that there should be no other idol in a Sai Baba temple?



SS: There is no need for it.



PC: But there are temples dedicated to certain deities where the idols of other deities are much smaller in size.



SS: It doesn’t matter in that case. We are talking about the statues and idols of a person claiming to be God. He is showing our deities smaller in size. He shows Lord Ganeshaseated in his feet.



PC: But does he show Lord Ram in his feet?



SS: Such images are objectionable.



PC: Do you feel that the worship of Sai Baba should stop?



SS: Yes. The people from Puri and the society are supporting us.



PC: Will you convince the people of the Sanatan Dharma on this issue?



SS: Yes. I am doing that.



PC: Has the Ram Temple issue taken a back seat?



SS: The issue and path of Ram Temple will be pursued once the building of new Sai Baba temples is stopped.



PC: But you played a role in the laying of the Ram Mandirfoundation.Buta Singh was present. The matter became controversial later. The building of the Temple hasn’t begun.



SS: The matter was in the High Court. We disputed on the subject for 45 days in the court. Our advocate proved it that Mughal emperor Babar never came to the land, thatit has been Ram Janmabhumi since the beginning.



PC: Your critics say that you reflect the views of the Congress.



SS:You are calling me a Congressman. I will answer this. When TR Balu was in the Congress, former PM Manmohan Singh had said that Ram Setu is a symbol of the victory over the Aryas. We objected to it. The matter reached the court. We said that the Setu shouldn’t be broken. The central government gave the affidavit that there is no historical evidence to establish the fact that the Setu was built by Ram.



PC: They made changes to it.



SS:That was because I objected to it. Had I been a Congressman, I wouldn’t object to it.



PC: You criticisedUma Bhartiji. You said that she is a Sai Baba devotee.



SS: She said that it’s a personal matter. It was said that there is devotion towards the parents. How can we stop that? We had said that we can’t let it be established as the parental faith and devotion of the other people. They are establishing those statues instead of the deities’ in the temples. We said that there are people who haven’t gone to worship Sai Baba. Why does one need Sai Baba if the Ganga, their Krishna, Ram and deities accept them? We don’t need them. They need us.



PC: What about the Sai Baba of Puttaparthi?



SS: The guru of Uma Bharti, he gave me a telephone call. He said that he agrees with me completely. Her guru agrees with me.



PC: Has he supported your views on Sai Baba or your views on Uma Bharti?



SS:He has supported my views on Sai Baba.



PC: Will everyone protest on this issue?



SS: Yes. The core issue is that if we are occupied with the devotion towards Sai Baba and his temples, how will people have the devotion for the Ram Temple?



PC: What is your agenda?



SS: Our agenda is to increase and strengthen people’s faith and devotion in the deities of the (Sanatan Dharma). People who are talking about Sai Babaare actually not devoted to him. They are occupied with their ambitions.



PC: Is it a conspiracy against the Hindu religion?



SS: Yes.



PC: You also made statements on the impact ofWesternisation on our society.



SS: Our sisters and mothers are being ill-treated. They are being raped despite the tough laws. Alcoholism and drugs are the core issues. The youth is falling into the trap of alcoholism and drugs. They are not in their senses. They don’t realise what they are doing. In Kottayam in Kerala, a man allegedly assaulted his mother in the state of intoxication. People should get alcohol and drug rehabilitation. The supply of drugs from abroad should stop. The sale of alcohol should stop.Drugs are being sold outside schools. That should stop. In China, there was a movement against drugs. The dictatorialcommunist rule in China stopped the use of drugs. There should a movement against drugs and alcoholism in India. China curbed the use of drugs. China encouraged the long hours of hard work among people. People in our country don’t want to work hard. The country will develop only through hard work and by stopping the use of drugs and alcohol.



PC: Did the Hindus of the country consolidate their vote for Modi?



SS: We had said before the polls that we want a “Majboot” (strong) and not “Majboor” (weak) government. We have got a strong government.



PC: Will he fulfil all the promises made?



SS: He must.



PC: What do you think?



SS: It’s a test. If he scraps Article 370, if herenews the free flow of a clean Ganga, if he builds the Ram Temple, people will appreciate him.



PC: Until when will you wait?



SS: We will see. I will open my mouth when I need to. But let me tell you, I am not a Modi critic.



PC: What are your expectations from Modi?



SS: People have trusted him.



PC: Should he make a Hindu Rashtra?



SS: I am not talking about that. He must fulfil his promises. Article 370 should be scrapped. The Kahmiris will benefit from it. They will be accepted in India. Otherwise, they will be limited to …



PC: But the RSS talks about making a Hindu Rashtra. Do you agree with them?



SS: We want a Ram Rajya. We don’t want HinduRashtra. We are people of principles.



PC: Thanks for coming to our studio.



SS: Thanks.

Quote:SS: There are 24 avatars of Vishnu. For Shatki there are 10 MahaVidya and NauDurgas. The same way there are many avatars of Ganesh and Shiv.

Quote:PC: There are 33 crore deities in the Sanatan Dharma. Aren’t people free to worship the deity they want to?

Quote:"Sai Baba Took the Name of 'Allah'. He Said no to Ganga Snaan" By Prabhu Chawla

Published: 07th July 2014 07:27 PM



Swami Shree Swaroopanand Saraswati talks to the New Indian Express Editorial Director Prabhu Chawla on his objections to the worship of Sai Baba, the Ram Temple, the scrapping of Article 370, and the promises made by PM Narendra Modi on Sachchi Baat on News X.

Quote:A Hindu Nationalist Perspective

Saturday, December 27, 2014



Quick notes: Evangelical startups, Super-intellect...

•Mohandas Pai on hyper-growth evangelism: "I have noticed over 30% of taxi drivers have converted over the last 5 years. Some 9-12% of undivided AP has been converted".

(They do all this silently, unlike the VHP folks who make loud noises after converting 20 people.)

Quote:1928:8,000 Convert to Hinduism : IN OUR PAGES:100, 75 AND 50 YEARS AGO



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LONDON: More than 8,000 Christians and Moslems have been gathered into the Hindu fold within the past week following the conversion of the former Miss Nancy Ann Miller, according to dispatches from Bombay. The largest number of conversions was made in the Portuguese quarter where 4,000 embraced Hinduism, while in Khandesh an initiation of 700 fishermen took place under the auspices of the Shankarachaya who converted the American girl. A number of new Hindu missions are being organized.

Quote:The idol is that which is at the center of your mind’s attention. The most powerful idols are not physical. The concepts the mind clings to are the most powerful idols. Think you are “secular”, “atheistic”? For you money may be most important, that is what you obsess over. You can make an image of Kubera, the god of wealth, and worship it, it is the same thing. Kubera is already in your mind and he is the object of your worship. Or it may be sex instead. Then you worship Kama deva, the god of sensory pleasure. It is just a way to name it.

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Article Title: PK is slow poison

Author: IndiaFacts Staff

Description: A telling article on PK.



The situation is similar with the global Christian ummah. They have waged wars on humanity for nearly 2000 years despite their Messiah, a messenger of pure love, giving up his life on a cross even while forgiving the perpetrators of this heinous crime.

Quote:On the other hand, Juluri explores new trails of anti-Western criticism, and these are rather sensible Thus, he finds that the Western mind easily projects violent scenarios and explanations on natural processes, e.g. in evolution theory. But Hindu experience is that life is only to a very limited extent a struggle, and mostly a matter of cooperation and harmony.

Quote:Jishnu • 9 days ago



When Vamsee is happy talking of "what is said about Hinduism" and not "what is being done to Hindu society" he better limits his talk to it instead of pronouncing judgments about things he does not know. To call one self moderate one needs an extreme, so "Hindutva" becomes that extreme. Vamsee probably does not know the difference between writing articles and defending his people when their lives are endangered, as it happened for centuries in this land and is continuing to happen in Bengal, Kerala, Kashmir. If he thinks defense on ground is extreme, he is no different from the left-lib anti-Hindu folk he claims are denigrating Hinduism.



(Emperor Julian was a great defender of his heathens. Not just of his heathendom: he would not let heathens defending Hellenismos from christomania be thrown under the bus, but bore it foremost in his mind to protect them, because they demonstrated in action their love for what he loved as well as they did: the Great Gods of Hellenismos=Hellenismos. But then, Julian was a true heathen. Not a poseur nor de-heathenised, unlike so many "Hindu" "thinkers"/"nationalist" vocalists.)



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I feel he just comes across as confused. I know that feeling... When you know injustice is being meted out to your kin, you feel you should speak out, but don't want to come across as extreme. That's a fear many moderates face. But what was striking was, he was all over the place. From Sai baba to Doniger, from academics to rituals. Yet, besides his views on Sai Baba, he said nothing concrete. He didn't take a stand on any issue. Just rambled on from here to there. The questions asked seemed more well framed than his answers did imo.



(Second that. And the only useful and clear things Vamsee Juluri said had already been stated by a great many everyday Hindus. Plus the JP take on evolution was not an original description by Juluri, and not unique to Hindu religion.)



He came across as a an ultracrepidarian. Well, to be fair, I often come across as one too. But I'm not writing a book. He did. I wonder now how the book is.

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But thats the beauty of left-lib intellectual rowdyism. If you take any stand on anything you are a hardliner, fundamentalist. If you do not, you are harmless for them regardless of what views you hold. Many play into it without even seeing that they are.

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Arohtak Jishnu • 9 days ago



Pure supremacist Rowdyism. I agree. Well said.

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Jitu Jishnu • 9 days ago



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Quote:daibon Ten shf • a month ago



Gandhi is real. JEsus is fiction.. a Mythology not unlike Mohammad and Gabriel or even Rama.

Quote:daibon Ten Aravind Ganesh V • a month ago



This whole anti Gay thing is an Abrhamic religious thing. Hindus and Hinduism really has no issues with gays... There are transsexual and Bisexual Gods and iconography in Hinduism which was why it was denigrated by evangelicals as an evil religion.

Quote:I have caught whimpers of complaint from internet "Hindu" activists rejecting late christo-conditioned Europe's presumption in claiming Greek philosophy stripped of its Gods by its illegally attempting to divorce the two: christoconditioned Euros were trying to separate Philosophy from the Heathenism of the GrecoRomans, since - again - the latter could not be digested by the unheathen mind that dared to covet the former. (Later on, christianism would try to ingest Philosophy as a christianism.) There are many christoconditioned in the west now who praise Philosophy as their great ancestral tradition, even as they, often in the same breath, dismiss or even deride the very Olympic Gods who brought forth this divine wisdom - which is of Them, and inextricably linked to Them - into (Hellenistic) mankind's ken.

Yet not a murmur from any Hindus when the Hindoo Gods are treated like nothings while the teachings passed on by Rishis - intimately associated with the Gods - are coveted and are delinked from the Gods and the religion pertaining to them.



I never learnt from christoconditioned western books that "Plato was a worshipper of the images of the Gods" (which books instead preferred to pretend he was a 'secular' Greek philosopher). To learn that detail, I had to hear it from Emperor Julian, whose recorded statement first revealed this little - yet non-trivial - fact about Plato to my limited knowledge. I see the same happening increasingly with Hindoos' ancestral heathenism.

Quote: Ram was imam; Ayodhya our place of pilgrimage, claim Muslim women in Modi’s constituency

News18 | Mon Mar 30, 2015 | 09:36 IST



Varanasi Uttar Pradesh

Claiming that Lord Ram was their imam and Ayodhya was their place of pilgrimage, several Muslim women in Varanasi congregated to offer prayers to to his idol on Saturday, the occasion of Ramnavmi.



"Ayodhya hai hamari jiyaratgah ka naam, rahte hain jahan Imam-e-Hind Shri Ram (Ayodhya is the name of our pilgrimage, where our Imam Shri Ram lives)," they recited while praising Lord Ram during Ramnavmi celebrations.



The women, associated with the Vishal Bharat Sansthan (VBS), have been celebrating Ramnavmi for years to give a strong message of communal harmony.



According to a report in Times of India, taking the 'thaal' of aarti, these women sang in praise of Lord Ram at Varunanagaram Colony, Hukulganj. They also wrote 'Ram naam' in Urdu on pieces of paper and deposited in 'Rurdu Ram Naam Bank'.



Nazneen Ansari, who has scripted 'Shri Ram Aarti' and 'Shri Ram Prarthana', said: "Lord Ram is the ancestor of all of us. Everyone should take part in his aarti, breaking the barriers of caste, creed and faith."



Being a Muslim, Nazneen has no hesitation singing in praise of Hindu deity and she believes that the name of Rama is enough to end all adversities. "That's why a bank of 'Ram naam' in Urdu has also been created by these women at the VBS. Anyone can deposit Ram naam scripted paper in this bank," VBS founder Rajiv Srivastava said.



"Ram humare purvaj hain aur duniya ke liye adarsh hain. Humein is baat ka fakhr hai ki hum Ram ki santan hain. Ram nam hi nafrat mita sakta hai (Ram is our ancestor and ideal for the world. We are proud of it. It is the only name which can eliminate hatred)," said Nazneen, who has also translated Hanuman Chalisa into Urdu.



She is working on the translation of Ramcharitmanas after scripting 'Durga Chalisa' in Urdu.

(Rama, Hanumaan, Durga. Offering prayers to Rama idol. Demanding Ayodhya Sri Rama temple be reconstructed. Polytheistic idolator. Welcome home heathen and dear sister.)



Nazneen also presented a 'Ram-naami dupatta' to former central information commissioner O P Kejriwal, who was present on the occasion. Other members like Najma Parveen, Mohammed Azharuddin, Razia Begum, Shams-un-Nisa, Hajra Begum and Bilqis Begum also took part in Ramnavmi celebrations.

(VHP/RSS should just invite these people to return home completely. They're not muslim in any sense anymore. Their mentality is that of "polytheistic idolators". Can't be more heathen in one's thinking than that.)



They believe that the message from Kashi will be instrumental in bringing peace and communal harmony in other parts of the country and advocate for construction of Ram Mandir at Ayodhya. Nazneen and her fellow members had also sent a petition to Prime Minister Narendra Modi, urging construction of Ram Mandir at Ayodhya.



They believe that Ayodhya belongs to Lord Ram and if Muslims want respect from Hindus, they should come forward to build the temple at his birthplace.

Quote:In itself, Hinduism contains the seeds of every kind of philosophy, and is comfortable with all streams of thought, and not necessarily to do with the worship of “Gods”. In Hinduism, we find all kinds of atheistic and materialistic philosophies, the most well known being the Lokayata philosophy of Charvaka, who believed that there is only one life, that there is no such thing as an afterlife, or heaven or hell, or rebirth, and that our only purpose in life should be to maximize our pleasures and minimize our pains.



The very basic texts of Hinduism contain the seeds and roots of agnostic philosophies, from the Rigvedic Nasadiya Sukta (X.129. 6-7, which says: “Who verily knows and who can here declare it, whence it was born and whence comes this creation? The Gods are later than this world’s production. Who knows then whence it first came into being? He, the first origin of this creation, whether he formed it all or did not form it? He whose eye controls this world in highest heaven, he verily knows it, or perhaps he knows not.”) to the Upanishadic speculations which reject everything, after deep discussion, with the phrase “neti, neti”: “not this, not this”, i.e., “no, this is still not the ultimate truth”. And then of course, there is every kind of deistic, henotheistic, pantheistic, polytheistic, and every other kind of -theistic philosophy, including even (but not exclusively) monotheistic philosophy (minus the hatred of “other” false religions and false Gods, and the concepts of permanent Heaven for believers and Hell for non-believers, characteristic of Abrahamic monotheism).

• valmikiramayan.net/utf8/ayodhya/sarga108/ayodhya_108_frame.htm, where Jabali tries unVaidika arguments out on Rama as a last-ditch effort, after Bharata's arguments failed to get Rama to forsake his word in favour of returning home to rule as king;
  
  
• valmikiramayan.net/utf8/ayodhya/sarga109/ayodhya_109_frame.htm, where Rama becomes seriously displeased with Jabali's attempts and essentially says 'never try to get at me that way' and denounces Jabali for his arguments;
  
  
• still at valmikiramayan.net/utf8/ayodhya/sarga109/ayodhya_109_frame.htm, you can at the end see Jabali admit that these were not really his own arguments, that they were merely employed opportunistically for the sake of expediency/for the exigency of getting Rama to return by whatever means or arguments would work. The brahmana Jabali is an adviser/royal minister type person and ministers when desperate for a greater good could apparently try to argue anything to get the job done - going by what Jabali attempted. (But surprised he didn't just try to kidnap Rama. About as much chance of that succeeding...)
  
  

Quote:The result is that today the most popular Hindu deities in every single part of India are originally tribal Gods: whether Ayyappa of Kerala, Murugan of Tamilnadu

Quote:Jakarta : Nov 20th Ayyappan annual pooja celebrated by Jakarta Friends group in Indonesia. Ayyappan Pooja has been conducted for three days 14th Nov 2010, 16th Nov 2010 and 17th Nov 2010. 14th nov 2010 it started with Ganapath Homam followed by mrityunjaya homam and abishagam and alangaram to Sri Ganapathy, Siva and Sri Ayyappan. 16th Nov 2010 started with Vilaku Pooja based on Lalitha sahasranamam and Devi Bhagavadam parayanam. 17th started with Sastha Homam, followed by maha abishagam to Ayyappan , 18 step pooja and bajans. The event was fully filled with Bakthi and entire city and hearts of the Indians were filled with divine bakthi.

Quote:Vishvam in Sanskrit means World-Universe. It has six parts beginning from the sitting part of the human body to head at the top. So some parts of the world – in this context India, are attributed to these six parts viz. Mooladhara, Swathishtana, Manipooraga, Anagadha, Vishuddhi, Aagna, Sahasrara or Bhrammarandra. Every human body too has this aspect and those enlightened in the philosophy undertake some necessary spiritual exercises to take the power (Kundalini) to the head from the sitting part. Great and holy places and shrines represent these Chakras. This is an elaborate philosoly which only great scholars can handle and explain.



For Lord Aiyappa Mooladhara are His legs, Swathishtana the waist, Manipooraga the belly, Anagatham the private part, Vishuddhi the mind, Aagna the back neck and Brahmmarandra the head. For Shiva Kshetras, Mooladhara is Tiruvarur, Swathishtana is Tiruvanaikaval, Manipooraga is Tiruvannamalai, Anagatham is Chidambaram, Vishuddhi is Kalahasthi. Aagna is Varanasi-Kasi and Brahmmarandram is Kailash.

(^Hmmm, that list has a large overlap with Tamizh Hindoos' panchabhoota kshetras of Shiva temples...)



Similarly, for Lord Aiyappa, Mooladhara is the Sori Muthian temple in Papanasam, Swathishtana is Achankoil, Manipooragam is Ariyangavu, Anagatha is Kulathupuzha, Vishuddi is Pandalam, Aagna is Sabarimala and the Brahmmarandra (Sahasrara as per the page) is Kanthamalai**. The first temple for Aiyappan is the Sorimuthian temple in Papanasam according to this theory.



(** Ayyappa's Kanthamalai - at the sahasrara - is a physical sacred site that is a gateway to the Beyond: apparently there's no physical temple there, though the site is part of the worship to Ayyappa. The others listed are physical Hindoo temples to the Vedic God Ayyappa/Dharmashaastaa. Sorimuthian at least is in Tamilnadu, most or all of the others are in modern Kerala as far as I can work out, but in places which were once considered part of a larger culturally-Tamil region, which is why these sites are not just part of Kerala Hindoos' Ayyappa yatras but remain part of Tamil Hindoos' Ayyappa yatras too.)



Dharma Sastha graces here in the name of Sorimuthu Aiyanar. This was alo in the midst of dark jungles in the Pothigai hills housing wild animals. River Tambiraparani flows close by. On the Aadi new moon day in July-August, huge number of devotes gather here to perform Tarpan to their ancestors and worship Lord Aiyappa for relief from sins.

Quote:This 60 second breathing exercise could help you sleep and reduce anxiety



Focusing on your breath can also distract you from stressful thoughts

Sophie McIntyre



Saturday 02 May 2015

Tense at work or struggling to drift off at night? Then maybe Dr Weil’s 4-7-8 breathing technique could help.



Harvard trained Dr Andrew Weil advocates practising the ‘relaxing breath’ twice a day in order to reduce tension or help you sleep.

(He's already named the practise, as if he invented it.)



The technique is a ‘natural tranquiliser for the nervous system’; it mimics aspects of yoga and meditation and helps the body unwind.

(Note use of the milder word "mimic" in place of theft.)



According to Dr Weil's YouTube channel: 'The 4-7-8 Breathing Exercise is utterly simple, takes almost no time, requires no equipment and can be done anywhere.'



Sitting up with your back straight, Dr Weil suggests you do the following twice a day, for six to eight weeks until you have mastered the technique.



1) Exhale completely through your mouth, making a whoosh sound.



2) Close your mouth and inhale quietly through your nose to a mental count of four.



3) Hold your breath for a count of seven.



4) Exhale completely through your mouth, making a whoosh sound to a count of eight.



5) This is one breath. Now inhale again and repeat the cycle three more times for a total of four breaths.



'Note that you always inhale quietly through your nose and exhale audibly through your mouth. The tip of your tongue stays in position the whole time,' Weil stresses.

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'Exhalation takes twice as long as inhalation. The absolute time you spend on each phase is not important; the ratio of 4:7:8 is important,' he continues.



The most important part of the process is holding your breath for eight seconds.



Keeping the breath in allows oxygen to fill your lungs and then circulate effectively around the body.



This extra oxygen can have a relaxing effect.



Focusing on your breath can also distract you from stressful thoughts and allow you to calmly focus.



There are similarities to the practices of mindfulness and yoga which both use breathing techniques to focus the mind.

("Practices of mindfulness" is the relabelled rebranded phrase for Hindoos' dhyana yoga aka meditation.

Notice how the christowest is careful to speak of mere "similarities" instead of outright plagiarism. That's what they do in early stages, since the theft from yoga is too obvious. Tomorrow they will no longer mention yoga - same as how they've stopped introducing pilates as a yoga spin/rip-off and how they've stopped acknowledging Hindoo meditation techniques and speak of "practices of mindfulness" as if it were some knowledge universally known to mankind let alone the christowest or independently derived by the modern west.)



Dr Weil is an author as well as a trained physician and lives in Tucson, Arizona.

• Long ago, somewhere on IF, I linked to a German indology site acquiring IIRC Ayurveda and other Hindoo manuals (on chemistry and classifying materials etc, and general Hindoo religious texts) and using the acquisition for data mining these texts for various herbs and what Ayurveda prescribed them as remedies for/what their properties were. Even as the international christomedia - not just the local one - is harnessed to malign Ramdev, Ayurveda and Hindoo heathenism, the west steals the same. It's what the christowest always does. Hindoos need to be aware that the more the west screech at anything Hindoo or heathen, and tries to discourage it in India/among Hindoos, the more you can be sure that the west covets it for itself. With the death of heathenism in the west - murdered by what remains in the modern west (which is christianism and christo-conditioned post-christianism) - the west is now only a thief and murderer. [Western heathens are still too few in numbers to change this.]
  
  
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Quote: Raj Singh • 3 days ago



I just wanted to offer a defence of Malhotra against some of the criticisms below that he is an activist and that he has unfairly targeted a well-wishing and reputable Hindu scholar like Prof Rambachan, what somebody earlier described as "friendly fire"



I don't know Rambachan personally and hence I have nothing personal against him. To me it does not appear that Malhotra also has a personal objection against Rambachan, his objection is against the activity that Rambachan is involved in, whether intentionally or non-intentionally, he is acting as an instrument in eroding the cultural distinctiveness of India. The more fierce articulation of this, he is acting like a Western sepoy in this war of civilizations.



To many the whole notion that there is some war going on between Western civilization and Indian civilization is ridiculous. What kind of war is this where there is no invasions, no bullets fired, no economic sanctions. In fact we find the opposite conception in the popular psyche, India and West are natural allies, friends, civilizational siblings. The West is putting a lot of direct investment in India's economy and fueling industry and creating jobs for Indians. How the heck then is this a war, surely this is some nationalist hyperparanoia?



The war is a cultural war. It has been going on since the establishment of the East India company. Slowly, but surely India's distinct culture has been eroded by eroding what makes India's culture distinct(See Malhotra's Being Different) by reinterpreting it, repackaging it and rebranding it as something Western.



There are three distinct areas I can identify in which India's cultural knowledge systems have been reinterpreted, repackaged and rebranded



1. Yoga

2. Ayurveda

3. Advaita



1. Yoga has been reinterpreted and repackaged as exercise. In the popular psyche it is no longer a psycho-spiritual discipline to still the mind and unlock our dormant potentials and transform our consciousness, but it seen as an exercise industry. Yoga has become synonymous with stretching, Yoga mats, weight loss. In fact so pervasive is this connotation, that we distinguish Yoga from meditation, as if they are two different things. In the Western popular psyche meditation is associated with Buddhism.



In Western science it has been rebranded in Modern Psychology. It is not known to most people who have not studied the history of Psychology, that most psychotherapy is directed derived from Yoga and Buddhism.



2. Ayurveda has been reinterpreted and repacked as organic food and cosmetics, sustainable living.



In Western science it has been rebranded in Allopathic medicine as Nanomedicine(rasashastra) reconstructive surgery(shalya tantra) body types(dosas) and clinical trials(dravyaguna vigyan)



3. Advaita has been interpreted and repackaged as religous scholaticism, no different in character to Christian scholasticism or Islamic scholasticism.



In Western science it has been rebranded as interpretations of quantum mechanics. Holographic interpretation, observer-collapse-measurement interpretation, thermodynamic interpretation, quantum field interpretation. Again this reveleation is sure to shock, but again those who know the history of quantum physics will know that all the pioneers of quantun physics were deeply involved in the study of Advaita and used Advaita concepts to explain quantum physics. Schrodinger's wave mechanics is attested by his biographer to be a direct result of his reading of Advaita:



The unity and continuity of Vedanta are reflected in the unity and continuity of wave mechanics. In 1925, the world view of physics was a model of a great machine composed of separable interacting material particles. During the next few years, Schrodinger and Heisenberg and their followers created a universe based on super imposed inseparable waves of probability amplitudes. This new view would be entirely consistent with the Vedantic concept of All in One.



Walter J. Moore in Schrödinger: Life and Thought (1989) ISBN 0521437679



It is obvious that Schrödinger changed his mind about a wave aspect to electrons between 1923 and 1926. There is some controversy about how Schrödinger actually arrived at Wave Mechanics, but in the Fall of 1925, presumably as he was building his theory, he wrote an essay, Seek for the Road, which may provide some clues. (Reference: My View of the World, (Cambridge, 1964).



You may recall the Schrödinger's Cat paradox, which was first published in its "scientific form" in 1935 in Zeitschrift der Physick. However in his 1925 essay he recounts an ancient Sankhya Hindu paradox that, jazzed up with some technology, became the cat paradox. In that original form the paradox was cast in the form of two people, one looking at a garden, the other in a dark room. The modern equivalent would be one person looking in the box to see if the cat is alive or dead, while a second person waits out in the hall. As we discussed, in this modern form the state "collapses" for the first person while it does not collapse for the second person.



In 1925 Schrõdinger resolved that paradox the way the Vedantists did: he asserted that all consciousness is one. As he wrote:



"But it is quite easy to express the solution in words, thus: the plurality [of viewpoints] that we perceive is only "an appearance; it is not real. Vedantic philosophy, in which this is a fundamental dogma, has sought to clarify it by a number of analogies, one of the most attractive being the many-faceted crystal which, while showing hundreds of little pictures of what is in reality a single existent object, does not really multiply the object."



The plurality that we perceive is only an appearance; it is not real. Vedantic philosophy... has sought to clarify it by a number of analogies, one of the most attractive being the many-faceted crystal which, while showing hundreds of little pictures of what is in reality a single existent object, does not really multiply that object...



"The Mystic Vision" as translated in Quantum Questions: Mystical Writings of the World's Great Physicists (1984) edited by Ken Wilber



In itself, the insight is not new. The earliest records, to my knowledge, date back some 2500 years or more... the recognition ATMAN = BRAHMAN (the personal self equals the omnipresent, all-comprehending eternal self) was in Indian thought considered, far from being blasphemous, to represent the quintessence of deepest insight into the happenings of the world. The striving of all the scholars of Vedanta was after having learnt to pronounce with their lips, really assimilate in their minds this grandest of all thoughts.



David Bohm: Holographic interpretation:



Deep down the consciousness of mankind is one. This is a virtual certainty because even in the vacuum matter is one; and if we don't see this, it's because we are blinding ourselves to it.



Statement of 1986, as quoted in Towards a Theory of Transpersonal Decision-Making in Human-Systems (2007) by Joseph Riggio, p. 66



Consciousness is much more of the implicate order than is matter . . . Yet at a deeper level [matter and consciousness] are actually inseparable and interwoven , just as in the computer game the player and the screen are united by participation.



Statement of 1987, as quoted in Towards a Theory of Transpersonal Decision-Making in Human-Systems (2007) by Joseph Riggio, p. 66



There are several dozen other pioneers of quantum physics who freely drew from Advaita.



It is interesting to note that while in the popular Western culture Yoga is an exercise program; Ayurveda organic food and cosmetics, and Advaita religious scholasticism, in the Western scientific world Yoga is treated as Psychology, Ayurveda as Medicine and Advaita as Physics, and theories from them are taken and rebranded as Western scientific concepts and techniques e.g. Yoga techniques like Yoga Nidra is rebranded "progressive relaxation" Yogic mind-control techniques of pratipaksha bhavana is rebranded as "Cognitive Behavioural therapy" Buddhist four noble truths is rebranded as "Existentialist therapy" Prakriti/Maya/Akasha is rebranded "quantum field"



When we hear this our first reaction is to dismiss them because of the popular connotations we have associated with Yoga, Ayurveda and Advaita, it simply sounds absurd that Advaita could be compared to quantum physics or Yoga to Psychology or Ayurveda to Allopathy. On the other hand, when the Indic derived concept is rebranded as Western science then suddenly it becomes acceptable, credible and reputable e.g. Maya sounds like mysticism or religion, but when it becomes the "quantum" it becomes physics. People who would otherwise stay away from Yoga seeing it as some mystical and Eastern woo, would happily undergo CBT, psychodynamic, humanistic and mindfulness therapy.



Now ask yourself if you take absolutely everything from India, reinterpret it and repackage it and rebrand it as Western, then what distinctiveness is left of Indian culture? This is what Malhotra refers to as "cultural genocide" I hope you can see there is merit in his so-called activism. He is empirically documenting what many of us Indians already known and feel. "The West stole all our knowledge and then used it to further their science"



This is a kind of civilizational war, that many of us don't actually know is happening. So Malhotra should be commended for being one of the very few Hindu scholars in the world to actually fight back using the critical analysis techniques of Western academia itself. I hope he exposes them some more.

Quote:Raj Singh [replies to] VeVePe • 3 days ago



For sure it is a deviation from our Dharmic tradition.

If you read my latest post I show that in fact the true import of our Dharmic systems is being understood and applied in Western science, but when Dharmic systems are juxtaposed into Western science, they are rebranded and the Dharmic connections erased. It is like committing plagiarism, when one plagiarises they rebrand somebody else's ideas as their own and then erase the connections to the original source.



The West extracts all the essence or juice from the Dharmic systems to use for its own purposes, and then leaves the carcass behind for the Indians e.g. They derive all the psychological science from Yoga to develop new therapies, and then leave behind exercise for the Indians. In the same way they derive from Advaita theoretical physics, and leave behind for the Indians scholasticism.



Malhotra discusses this as a part of the steps in the process in his U-turn theory. The first step is some Westerner will go to India and learn one of India's traditional knowledge systems. The second step is they will bring it back to the West and then rebrand it, remove the links to the original source, and may even go further and denigrate the original source as primitive, to make it look like the West merely took basic ideas or inspirations and turned them into something advanced and scientific.



But at the same time you cannot blame the Western scientists for taking traditional Indian systems of knowledge and creating new technologies and new fields of science out of them, because we need them to progress. The tragedy in this affair is, it should be Modern Indians who should be doing this and not the West.



Sadly, as I said earlier Indians think of their Yoga as exercise and not Psychology; their Ayurveda as nothing more than herbal complimentary medicine and not as a fully fledged scientific medical system on par with Allopathy and their Advaita as scholasticism and not as theoretical physics.



There is another area I have not mentioned; Indians think of their Sanskrit language as a religious Aryan supremacist language, while the West see it as Natural language programming for AI systems.



(Actually, not quite. Few Indians see it as the former. But some Indians see it as the latter too, not just the west and the west is later in the game than Hindoos have been. But a certain segment of the west most definitely sees Skt as the pinnacle of *their* development in linguistic communication. And humans are defined - distinguished - by language, w.r.t. other species are they not? And with this claim on Skt by the west, they are essentially declaring they are the pinnacle of humanity for having come up with the language they covet the most and which they pompously feel must be theirs and "therefore" is theirs.

In any case, neither of Raj Singh's descriptions is how traditional Hindoos view Skt, although such features as the fact that it is a highly inflected language - conveying meaning with less chance of ambiguity - make it certainly more appropriate for scientific uses and rationalising thought than English, something for which Skt is naturally appreciated by its natural=native speakers. To the native traditional heathens, it is not just a living language, it is the language that allows them to think and reach the sorts of conclusions - besides attaining to the sorts of accomplishments - as their heathen ancestors. And it is very much the language of Hindoos' heathen religious terminology - samadhi etc are a Hindoo experience and concept and only the Hindoos' speech have words for it. No different from how Taoist concepts have no equivalent in tongues foreign to them. Taoists even borrow the word Mantra from Hindoos because English has no equivalent by far. Which, btw, is more proof that Taoists consider Hindoo heathenism closer to their religion than most other stuff out there.)



It is almost as if Indians are being fooled by the West into thinking the gems they have are worthless. It is like fooling somebody into giving away their gold by convincing them it is worthless.



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VeVePe Raj Singh • 2 days ago



>>"It is almost as if Indians are being fooled by the West into thinking the gems they have are worthless. It is like fooling somebody into giving away their gold by convincing them it is worthless."

(Methinks everyone has said that at least once by now - practically the same words too, IIRC - after having noticed the problem. We're all just repeating each others' experiences.)



Very nice, I think there is a Panchatantra fable that illustrates this point :-)

Quote:Jishnu 5 months ago



The real problem about perception of ritual is not just that people think of it as superstition or "preliminary" but that ritual is not associated with the main mukti mArga, namely karma yoga. Path of ritual, performance of karma is karma yoga. That such a fundamental association is not made is a problem in both teaching and learning. The overemphasis on "experiential" nature of sAdhana at the expense of meticulousness, has brought down the overall standard of practice and learning.

Quote:"Etaani ha vaa amritasya naamadheyaani, etair-havaa amrito bhavati" "These are the names of the immortal Almighty [=Ishwara, i.e. Rudra]. By chanting and listening to these names, man** achieves immortality" the Veda has proclaimed while describing about the chapter "Rudraadhyaaya". "The same can be said about Vishnu Sahasranaama" - Sri Shankaracharya has stated.



** And other kinds. E.g. a famous sarpam in TN caught on camera doing bilva pooja on a temple's Shiva Lingam, and which animal obviously recited the Sri Rudram inwardly as dhyana yoga.]

Quote:Jishnu 5 months ago



The real problem about perception of ritual is not just that people think of it as superstition or "preliminary" but that ritual is not associated with the main mukti mArga, namely karma yoga. Path of ritual, performance of karma is karma yoga. That such a fundamental association is not made is a problem in both teaching and learning. The overemphasis on "experiential" nature of sAdhana at the expense of meticulousness, has brought down the overall standard of practice and learning.