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India's &quot;troubling&quot; Miracle - agnivayu - 08-30-2009 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/...article1268690/ This has to be the most insane (and low quality) piece of propaganda around. Note how even this excellent piece of news which would not have occurred without the greatness of Hindu culture (which was solely responsible for arresting AIDS) is attempted to be put down. This Canadian apparently didn't get a chance to "Thaw" out completely before writing this crap. Maybe the rest of the world doesn't want to follow the degenerate culture of this author. Western Civilization is not declining, it's in a virtual free fall!, as White women are more interested in having "fun" than families. These are not my words, but of the few remaining White conservatives. India's &quot;troubling&quot; Miracle - G.Subramaniam - 08-31-2009 From above URL -- Meanwhile, the billboards and movie ads were addressing a particular population: “Don't treat Tamil Nadu as an African country … the literacy level is higher, the adaptation to change is faster and the technology absorption is higher,” Dr. S. Vijayakumar, now head of the state AIDS agency, says (with a certain smugness that often characterizes the reflections of those in the field here). However, in terms of one key bit of technology, there was indeed a crucial difference in India: Condoms had been actively promoted here since Indira Gandhi's population-control policies of the 1970s. Also, there was little of the cultural distaste and discomfort that has greeted condom campaigns in Africa – and no conservative Christian church to lead a public outcry about abstinence. There were, however, plenty of trained lab technicians and statisticians and the sort of qualified staff an AIDS program needs, the human resources that are so often lacking in Africa. -- Darker side But there are also less-pleasant truths about India's victory over HIV. Beyond literacy, condoms, blunt ads and brilliant bureaucrats, one thing more than any other has checked the spread of the virus here: the oppression of Indian women. The extreme control exerted over women's personal lives – first by their parents, then by their husbands and in-laws – means that very few ever have the opportunity to have a sexual partner other than their husbands. Where 25 per cent of men report more than one sexual partner, less than 2 per cent of women do. Married women get infected by their husbands, and sometimes pass HIV to their children, but the virus stops there: They do not have other partners to pass HIV on to. This is a marked contrast to Africa, where it is now clear that the “concurrent sexual network” – the tendency for both men and women to have overlapping partners rather than serial ones – has been the key driver of the epidemic. (Meanwhile, discrimination has played a sharply different role in the spread of HIV among men who have sex with men – it has extremely limited AIDS organizations' ability effectively to provide these men condoms and information. As a consequence, they have HIV infection rates 10 times those of the general population.) There is, in fact, a broader issue of culture at play in India's AIDS success story, the sort of squishy subject that makes AIDS researchers flinch because it lies so far outside tidy quantifiable data. But many in the field agree that Indian society remains rigidly hierarchical, still infused with the powerful role of the caste system, and people are accustomed to the strong role of government in their lives. That's a contrast to many African countries with weaker states and more egalitarian societies. And it meant that when the Indian government sternly told people to use condoms and cut back on partners, they listened. -- The author is lamenting that most married Indian women are not whores India's &quot;troubling&quot; Miracle - Bharatvarsh - 08-31-2009 The West is f*cked, mark my words, any society guided by shitty ideologies like feminism will crumble to the dust. You will see what I mean as Islam spreads in Europe. This won't be the first time an advanced civilization has fallen to barbarians, late Rome had the same problem, they even had a bachelor tax to get men to marry, same thing with late Babylonia. There is no incentive for a man to be married in the West because all the laws are tilted against you, its the same case in India like with the dowry laws except there not many people care about shitty laws made by Indian gov't designed to oppress people. They won't be having "fun" no more when Iqbal & friends take over their neighborhood. India's &quot;troubling&quot; Miracle - Bharatvarsh - 08-31-2009 Interesting comment on there: <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Robert_Smit​h1    8/30/2009 5:38:36 PM I don't get what the author is whining about. I fail to see how a cultural standard expecting women and to an extent men to be chaste counts as "oppression". I guess I just underestimated how far our western "culture" has degenerated that now having more than one sex partner is seen as a badge of honor and the cultural taboo against it as "oppression" while real oppression like excessive taxes, socialized medicine etc are deemed "progressive". And no I am not some neocon talking about "family values" because it is convenient, i am a paleo libertarian who supported Ron Paul in the last US presidential election. Oh well, it may not be the first time an advanced civilization has degenerated & crumbled, its not the first time this has happened (eg: Rome), if the West is bent on self annihilation no one can save us, needless to say attitudes like the authors are part of the problem in paving way for a Eurabia and increasing socialist tyranny. Ever notice the more a population finds promiscuity acceptable the more likely it will also find socialism acceptable, after all who wouldn't like a free lunch & having to shirk responsibility for your actions, me having to pay for some single moms brood of bastards is a direct consequence of acceptance of promiscuity in our culture. And look where the alleged African family system got them today, i don't know if the authors description of it is right but if it is just shows some of the harmful consequences of encouraging libertine behavior. At least the Indians still seem to be sane and still have some morals left, hope they keep it intact.  <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> India's &quot;troubling&quot; Miracle - agnivayu - 08-31-2009 You are right on. Infact I have noticed that where ever women are "loose", the Muslim males seem to descend there like vultures. It's really interesting to see in UK/ Europe etc, where liberal White women convert to Islam, the most non-liberal culture to ever exist. <!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Aug 31 2009, 02:40 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Aug 31 2009, 02:40 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The West is f*cked, mark my words, any society guided by shitty ideologies like feminism will crumble to the dust. You will see what I mean as Islam spreads in Europe. This won't be the first time an advanced civilization has fallen to barbarians, late Rome had the same problem, they even had a bachelor tax to get men to marry, same thing with late Babylonia. There is no incentive for a man to be married in the West because all the laws are tilted against you, its the same case in India like with the dowry laws except there not many people care about shitty laws made by Indian gov't designed to oppress people. They won't be having "fun" no more when Iqbal & friends take over their neighborhood. [right][snapback]100788[/snapback][/right] <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> India's &quot;troubling&quot; Miracle - Husky - 08-31-2009 <!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Aug 31 2009, 01:37 AM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Aug 31 2009, 01:37 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->But there are also less-pleasant truths about India's victory over HIV. Beyond literacy, condoms, blunt ads and brilliant bureaucrats, one thing more than any other has checked the spread of the virus here: the oppression of Indian women.[right][snapback]100787[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Oh yeah. For millennia the Dharmic women of the subcontinent must have been oppressed and *that* must be why most of them didn't bother to get more than one partner. In reality, it is christian society - until the recent "emancipatory" revolution in the west (which brought new chains as all revolutions do) - that has ever been oppressive and controlling of its women. The christoterrorist author is merely projecting christian guilt onto heathen society in order to transfer christianism's own crimes. The christo's logic is explained further here: <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The extreme control exerted over women's personal lives – first by their parents, then by their husbands and in-laws – means that very few ever have the opportunity to have a sexual partner other than their husbands.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It's the monotheistic tendency of the christo(conditioned) again. The writer obviously <i>can't possibly imagine</i> - hence can't possibly allow - that maybe most Dharmic women actually *prefer* having only one sexual partner. Maybe... maybe... by far most of them are just happy with their heathen husbands. (And this is <i>exactly</i> why the christo can't allow for the fact that Hindu women committed Sati voluntarily because they were so devoted to their husbands they didn't want to outlive them. And once again, lying christianism slandered about how it would be Hindu society/Hindu males who must have forced those women to commit Sati. <- See? Same old <i>christo</i>logic. It's the same formula, same equation, same answer to be derived - to stake the heathen with the christian cross - except that the values for the variables have changed: now the crime is not Sati, it's chastity. But the criminal blamed for it is the same: Dharmic tradition hence Dharmic Society.) But gasp! Such an explanation would be like ... like ... like the end of the world, man. So that couldn't <i>possibly</i> be it - that the heathen Dharmic women are generally rather contented with the monogamous state. Nah. It must be because they are always actively prevented by their evil dads, husbands, brothers, sons, male neighbours, male pets, male cows, male horses, male elephants, male Gods. And their male mothers, their male sisters, and the male part of the brain ( <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) of the women in question too. Yeah. That must be it. All these male entities conspired to keep the Dharmic women to only one partner. It was <i>a conspiracy of concerted oppression.</i> Except for a small glitch in the christologic: that in many N American Native American communities (I'm afraid to generalise to "all", but certainly all the ones I've read of), the women also tended to have only 1 sexual partner (oh you're all so telepathic, right on! It <i>is</i> the husband). Unless the women lost their husbands. And NA Native American society was not at all oppressive of its women as testimonies by christowesterns themselves have to confess, but rather "egalitarian" (i.e. egalitarian minus the connotations of doublespeak). <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Where 25 per cent of men report more than one sexual partner, less than 2 per cent of women do.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Really? So where's the hard data to support that 1/4 of Indian men have more than 1 sexual partner. Else it's all just claims. Sounds like the usual sort of christo-stats - you know, like the "99% of atheists are immoral". (Or it may be that the christoislamic males have been expressly taken into account in order to pin heathens with christoislamic statistics as well: Indian christoislamis would be skewing the figures too, what with 4 wives to many an islamic male + a harem of kaffiri women for some, and then there's a church conclave of christian priests interacting with their nuns.) <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Where 25 per cent of men report more than one sexual partner, less than 2 per cent of women do. Married women get infected by their husbands, and sometimes pass HIV to their children, but the virus stops there: They do not have other partners to pass HIV on to.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->By his non-existence jeebus! What a crime! Let's burn the women, shall we, for not infecting more people with HIV. Come on, we're all good christians here. Burn burn burn them heathen women. Burn Zem! Jeebus Volt! Hey, why aren't you moving. It's only heathens who don't burn their wimmen. What? What are you saying there are no christians here? You're all <i>still heathen</i>? How dare you. Evil bunch. Die! And roast in eternal flames! That will teach you to avoid AIDS by means of ... of... voluntary - nah - it must be self-<i>imposed</i> "chastity". Yes, that's it. You are all self-oppressed! (New psychological term for ya.) You brainwashed yourself - a mass self-delusion caused by Dharmic/heathen tradition - into being happy with your spouses. Evil heathens. Die! (etc. Rinse repeat.) G Sub wrote: <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The author is lamenting that most married Indian women are not whores<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->G Sub is way too kind in explaining the christo-author's motivations. But the christian terrorist is saying more than that. (And yes, it IS christian - note it bringing up "caste" and "Indoo men oppressing women" and doing their best to set up Africa against India on a matter where the two regions are not remotely in dispute: that AIDS needs to be tackled. This is a perfect example of the psychology behind christo-western 'social studies': even a health issue like AIDS can't be addressed objectively. All kinds of subjective nonsense - and expressed with quantities of bile in typical christian fashion - has to be brought in) Anyway, the christian terrorist is actually lamenting that it is such a great pity that the Dharmic women aren't more promiscuous <i>so that then they could have helped in spreading the AIDS virus faster</i>. Repeat: <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->(Christoterrorist Married women get infected by their husbands, and sometimes pass HIV to their children, but the virus stops there: They do not have other partners to pass HIV on to.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Note that even this statement is a swipe against Dharmic society: the christian terrorist - the Look At Me, I'm oh-so-compassionate-to-women christian - is willing to sacrifice Indian women by promoting AIDS through insisting on increased female promiscuity, all for the sake of destroying Dharmic society for jeebus christ (turning Dharmic society on itself by co-opting Hindu women to strike at the Hindu male). Such reasoning is typically christian, since EVERYTHING the heathen does is considered bad to the christoterrorists. If the heathens die too fast from AIDS, then the African heathens are to blame: "it must be the African heathens who are hyper promiscuous, since christians of course would never be - and if they were, then it must be them Africans' fault for being 'black', since christianism has of course established how black is hamitic/cursed and hence evil and promiscuous by nature". If the heathens aren't dying fast enough then the Indian heathens are to blame: "the oppressive heathenism is keeping their population - in particular the females - too chaste and is impeding christianism, I mean AIDS." Again: *everything* the heathen is does considered bad for christoterrorism. Because anything that - preserves heathenism (by adherence to heathen principles like self-regulation and making choices in life <i>consciously</i>) and - anything that preserves heathen lives (like heathen women - and men - not passing around AIDS) is seen as being against gawd. That is why the frustrated christianism causes such articles to be written. Since they won't accept jeebus, why won't they just die damn it? The christian writer sounds very constipated by the fact that heathens are still Alive and Kicking. IMO, the response is simple: Yes, still here. Nya-nya-nya-nya-nyaaah.