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Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Bodhi - 05-16-2009
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What about the blasts in Assam...?
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Was everything clean in elections or was there any high tech conspiracy - thanks to Navin Chawla?
Silver lining:
- resounding rout of commies... total tally of Left looking between 25-30 for the first time in about 3 decades. Bengal celebrates.
- Paswan has been wiped out. no seat for LJP. Lalu reduced to just 4.
- Jehadi Ansari of BSP - defeated from Gazipur.
- TR Balu defeated, so also chidambaram.
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Now where does the BJP go from here? From what I hear on TV discussions - to further secularization. Good for them: vinAshakAle...etc.
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UP is a surprise! Congress won more than 20 seats? Including Vajpayee's Lucknow!
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - ravish - 05-16-2009
The dreamers and wishful thinkers in this forum may continue chasing the fantasy. Calling names through the keyboard did not influence the voters who were enlightened enough to exercise their right in what they thought to be best for this nation. One should gracefully accept the verdict of the people as has been done by the BJP. The reduction of influence of the regional parties and the marginalisation of the Communists will certainly accelerate the speed of economic growth and reforms.
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-16-2009
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Now where does the BJP go from here? From what I hear on TV discussions - to further secularization. Good for them: vinAshakAle...etc.
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May not be a bad deal. More than BJP, I would like to explore how we can create/nurture/grow Hindu vote bank. Hindus cannot depend on one party and should be able to steer any party. To that end, what can Hindus do?
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Bodhi - 05-16-2009
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How exactly?
New UPA govt would come back on support from the following big brothers:
- Mamata in WB
- Dravidists in TN
- half-paralyzed taskara in MH
- Mulayam/Amar Singh - UP
- Abdullahs in J&K
plus some yet unknown regional party
Each of the above being larger partners of Congress in the respective state.
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some things to come:
Rama Setu - SSCP to be probably revived with renewed vigour
Afzal Garoo - to turn from reading to writing urdu novels, might even win some sahitya academy award
Effectively abandon strategic nuclear program
Statehood for telangana down the drain
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - dhu - 05-16-2009
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What about the blasts in Assam...?
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Assam is always low-profile.
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-16-2009
Indians will get what they deserve, if they wish for appointed Prime Minister , they will get.
Here goes Indian nukes on drain. Now Moron will hand over India assets.
BJP was unable to tag with BJD. Raje performance was a factor. They should prepare more young leaders for next 3 years. Advani in place of dreaming for Indian Prime Ministership, he should think how to expand part in south and aligned with local leaders and make party of BJP.
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-16-2009
Lot of EVM winners <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> Maneka Gandhi wins by 7,681 votes in Aonla.
Arjun Munda wins Jamshedpur Lok Sabha seat in Jharkhand.
Gujarat leads: Congress 10; BJP 16.
<b>May 16, 2009, 17:17: Home Minister P Chidambaram wins by 3,354 votes in Sivaganga.
May 16, 2009, 16:10: Sivaganga: Recounting over, Chidambaram loses.</b>
Lalji Tandon defeats Rita Bahuguna Joshi in Lucknow.
Pranab Mukherjee wins Jangipur.
A prime accused in the Kandhamal communal riots, Manoj Kumar Pradhan, was among the two saffron candidates declared winner in two of the three Assembly segments in communally sensitive Kandhamal district.
<b>Lok Sabha Speaker Somnath Chatterjee asks Prakash Karat to quit as CPI(M) general secretary.</b>
Nafisa Ali loses in Lucknow
Hans Raj Hans loses in Jalandhar
Vinod Khanna loses
Chidambaram wins Shivaganga.
Shibu Soren wins.
BJP's Murli Manohar Joshi wins Varanasi.
Manvendra Choudhary wins Barmer LS seat
Rajasthan: Congress wins 13, BJP 2 seat.
<b>Varun Gandhi wins</b>
<b>Lalu loses in Pataliputra</b>
<b>Mani Shankar Aiyar loses.</b>
May 16, 2009, 15:34: T R Baalu wins in Sriperumbudur
<b>Jaya Prada wins in Rampur by 30,000 votes.</b>
<b>That: Azharuddin wins in Moradabad. </b>
<b>Vaiko loses.</b>
<b>Renuka Chowdhury loses</b>
<b>BJP president Rajnath Singh wins.</b>
Akhilesh Yadav of SP wins Kannauj seat
<b>Shatrughan Sinha wins in Patna Sahib</b>
<b>Jaswant SIngh leads in Darjeeling</b>
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-16-2009
Hindus get what they voted for
More conversions, more naxalism, more jehadism
reservations for muslims in army and so on
The consumerism of the youth is making them half-xtian
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-16-2009
Muslim votes consolidated towards Congress.
They ditched BSP, I hope Mayawati will get her lesson.
In Delhi, Muslim candidates withdrawn at last moment to help Congress. I think Muslim appeasement will continue.
Babus are happy with last moment dole and can continue with corrupt practice.
Terrorism is not a factor for Indians, till their own family members are victims.
It is not a clear mandate for any party. It will be Italian spaghetti at the best.
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-16-2009
<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+May 16 2009, 08:16 PM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ May 16 2009, 08:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hindus get what they voted for
More conversions, more naxalism, more jehadism
reservations for muslims in army and so on
The consumerism of the youth is making them half-xtian
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People had no understanding what is going on in country or in city, they are so busy with themselves or work, It is a sad state.
Average Indians are very religious at home.
Lack of bigger picture is main problem.
Muslims had leaders sitting in Mosque and Universities who help them to make strategic decisions.
Hindus are divided house and think as individual and lacks strategic thinking.
Hindus who are in universities or media are dominated by Chatterjees, Roys, Baneerjees etc.
Defeat of communism is important.
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-16-2009
Balu lost, it means Ram Setu was a factor or Moron Singh will come up with something else.
What happened to Ramadoss? I hope he lost
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-16-2009
Folks, the Congress victory should not have been a shock or a surprise to anyone. They control the media, the have powerful business interests both within India and without and that translates into a vice like grip on the Indian people and the reins of power.
They successfully sidestepped the issue of poor security and protrayed themselves as a youthful vigorous party (Rahul, Sachin, et al) headed by seasoned statesmen (Manmohan). The BJP charge that Manmohan was weak was laughable especially since the media was able to convince the people that the BJP/NDA was responsible for the humiliating Kandahar episode.
The BJP still hasnt figured out how important media is and they are still in many respects naive. In many ways this could be likened to the back to back Bush victories and hopefully the BJP/NDA will learn from the ass whooping they got this time to better position themselves in 2014. One thing is for sure, they need better penetration in the southern states.
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - dhu - 05-16-2009
The question is what will be the effects of decade+ long sepoy dynasty, which has given entry to extremely inimical foreigner interests. India is in process of decolonization, it is not consolidated and outward projecting power like US, which can afford idle experimentation with bush, obama, etc.
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Husky - 05-16-2009
<!--QuoteBegin-dhu+May 16 2009, 09:10 PM-->QUOTE(dhu @ May 16 2009, 09:10 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The question is what will be the effects of decade+ long sepoy dynasty, which has given entry to extremely inimical foreigner interests.</b>Â India is in process of decolonization, it is not consolidated and outward projecting power like US, which can afford idle experimentation with bush, obama, etc.
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Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Capt M Kumar - 05-16-2009
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e.g. MMS promised to mend Economic recession in 1st 100 days; he should be made to do so right from today rather than sitting on laurels of winning an election.
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - Guest - 05-17-2009
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+May 16 2009, 11:05 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ May 16 2009, 11:05 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-dhu+May 16 2009, 09:10 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dhu @ May 16 2009, 09:10 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The question is what will be the effects of decade+ long sepoy dynasty, which has given entry to extremely inimical foreigner interests.</b>Â India is in process of decolonization, it is not consolidated and outward projecting power like US, which can afford idle experimentation with bush, obama, etc.
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Well for starters, I see the Sethusamudram project moving ahead full steam. We can expect the peace dialogue (which was halted in the wake of the Mumbai attack) to restart again. Trust the UPA and the PM to make some excuse as to why this should happen.
I read somewhere how we were very close to a deal in Kashmir. I think we can see added pressure from outsiders to provide concessions on the J&K issue. Whether or these concessions occur, depend on what checks and balances we have in the army and civil services.
Interesting times ahead...thats for sure.
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - acharya - 05-17-2009
<!--QuoteBegin-ravish+May 16 2009, 12:31 AM-->QUOTE(ravish @ May 16 2009, 12:31 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The dreamers and wishful thinkers in this forum may continue chasing the fantasy. Calling names through the keyboard did not influence the voters who were enlightened enough to exercise their right in what they thought to be best for this nation. One should gracefully accept the verdict of the people as has been done by the BJP. The reduction of influence of the regional parties and the marginalisation of the Communists will certainly accelerate the speed of economic growth and reforms.
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After 60 years
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-17-2009
At least 50 seats were lost by infighting
Many of these saboteurs were BJP MLAs
If the so-called hindutva politicians can do treachery over petty
ambition, despite being aware of the Jihadi and islamist risk
There is need to punish the saboteurs and expel them
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-17-2009
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Mayawati blames muslims
angered by the blow to her prime ministerial aspirations, Bahujan Samaj Party president and Uttar Pradesh [Images] Chief Minister Mayawati [Images] on Saturday sought to blame her party's dismal showing in the Lok Sabha election on non-cooperation by Muslims and the "conspiracy" by different parties.
"Very few Muslims voted for my party this time," she told a hurriedly convened press conference at her home in Lucknow [Images]. "We got the support of the Muslim community only in constituencies where we fielded Muslim candidates," she added.
Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss - G.Subramaniam - 05-17-2009
Again myth of muslim vote bank
Muslims are less than 10% in Delhi, Uttaranchal, Orissa, MP, Gujurat,
Rajasthan, Haryana
Yet NDA lost 90 seats here
Where in North east bihar, 35% muslim, Philibit, 30% muslim
BJP wins