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Attack in Mumbai -2 - Guest - 12-04-2008

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>India to answer Mumbai attacks with talk not troops</b>
By Simon Denyer
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - <b>India will not respond to attacks in Mumbai by sending troops to the border with Pakistan, but will instead mobilise global pressure for its neighbour to act decisively against Islamist militants, analysts say.

The military strategy was tried in 2001 and 2002 after an attack on India's parliament, but achieved little.</b>

The crucial difference this time is that India is dealing with a civilian, democratically elected government in Islamabad -- a reasonably friendly government which does not have full control over a much more hostile, hawkish military establishment.

Military confrontation, however tempting as Indian elections loom ever closer, would only empower the hawks across the border.

<b>"It is simply not on the table," Siddharth Varadarajan, strategic affairs editor of the Hindu newspaper said.</b>

"If India were to take any of the military measures some armchair analysts want, that would almost certainly play into the hands of the military establishment in Pakistan."

It would also have played into the hands of the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan, by forcing Pakistan to withdraw troops from its tribal areas and western border.

It has even been suggested this was one possible motive behind the attacks. If so, that is not a trap India will fall into, analysts say. 

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Immediately after the attacks, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh demanded the head of the ISI visit India to share information. Pakistan snubbed him by promising to send a lower-ranking official -- an embarrassment, proclaimed the media.

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Guest - 12-04-2008

I have got a good response to the reply posted (neglecting the fact that whether
its positive or negative).But before we go head with any discussions further we
are supposed to know one thing that we are here for exchange of ideas through a
healthy debate and quotes by Mr.Pandyan like "Maybe you should watch some news before coming and vomiting your puke all over here" are really disturbing. He may be trying to make a point but the language should be taken care of. It clearly shows once attitude and personality. If ever there is difference of opinion ,we are supposed to mark it but with dignity.

Coming to the points made by Mr. husky I have read your entire reply and it was
quite informative. One thing i did not understand was how u linked the events.

{ the Hindus who were murdered by the islamics in Kashmir were merely "Kashmiris"

genocided by "other Kashmiris". Because vinod finds it unsecular to give recognition to the truth of how it was not mere 'random inexplicable' genocide,
but rather *religiously motivated* (and therefore targeted) genocide.}

and also two other paras u just told about koreans and bangladeshi's belongs to
religious intolerance.

both the christian nazis who genocided the Jews during (and for 1.7 millennia
prior to) the nazi Holocaust, as well as the Jewish victims of this
christoterorrism, were all merely "German/European citizens". Vinod wants the
future to have no idea as to why 6 million "Europeans" were killed by many "other
Europeans" around WWII.
While one mentioned above has nothing to do with religion. Hitler accused Britain and United states both Christian majority countries of supporting Jews. So this is no Christians Vs Jews concept.

He felt that ethnic Germans in Austria and Czechoslovakia are oppressed by Jews as he was also a German from a village in Austria and he developed a hatred towards them and in his speech he says "Its time to see the free German spirit above all". Dividing themselves as German, Polish ,French , English and so on europeans plunged Europe into war and it took the world along with it.

clearly all events mentioned by Mr.Husky are clear evidence of what catastrophes can happen when religious intolerance or regional intolerance take precendence. When we are discussing here of one such catastrophe that was caused by religious intolerance and if we want to irradicate it then we need to counter it with religious unity because its the only solution.

Instead here we are again and again talking of religion and blaming religions and indirectly supporting religious intolerance and that was all I wanted to tell in my previous post.

A simple example. Britishers when they wanted to conquer India they supported one princely king and made him invade another kingdom and once it is
done they would occupy his kingdom also. Their support to the king was just a
facade to achieve their goal of conquering India.

In the same way terrorists take the name of religion and show that they
are sympathetic to one religion and fighting for it while declaring a war on
another religion. It's just a facade to conceal their goal of destabilizing
governments and nations and establish their barbaric rule.

As per the statement made by Mr. pandyan on dec 2.

"If religion doesn't play a role in this, why did they selectively target and
kill Hindus and Jews? Why was a Turkish Muslim family let off?" he might mean that Islamic terrorists will not kill Islam followers.

In that case if ever terrorists are really Islamic friendly under the rule of Taliban Islamic state of Afghanistan must have seen at least proper law and
order if not economic development but u can see thousand of Islamic women gang raped and several afghans all Muslims brutally murdered.

As Mr. Husky said I really agree that terrorists say that they are doing
for Allah (using the name of god in vain) but they really are doing for themselves.

I once again say its high time we leave religious fanatism and have a more broader and humanitarian out look which i feel is really necessary to counter terrorism along with arms ,army and ammunition.

And to Lsrini and bodhi nice to hear that we have similar thoughts regarding this topic and Mr.Bodhi in my next reply i would post my ideas of what i think can eliminate the roots of terrorism.

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Guest - 12-04-2008

<b>Remove politicians' security. Now</b>!

Burning candles won't solve problem
Plus every mosque should be monitored.
Kick out Bangladeshi and Pakis from India.

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Guest - 12-04-2008

<b>Kolkata on terror alert</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Kolkata's security agencies are in a tizzy over reports of a possible terrorist strike in the city, especially after four mobile SIM cards used by the terrorists, who struck Mumbai, were said to have been <b>acquired in West Bengal</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What a surprise? Commies are involed or Muslim protected by Commies are involved?

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Bodhi - 12-04-2008

<!--QuoteBegin-vinodreddy gade+Dec 4 2008, 11:11 AM-->QUOTE(vinodreddy gade @ Dec 4 2008, 11:11 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->And to Lsrini and bodhi nice to hear that we have similar thoughts regarding this topic and Mr.Bodhi in my next reply i would post my ideas of what i think can eliminate the roots of terrorism.

no no, I am much less educated in this line than you appear to be, so we might not have similar thought.

but thanks for this whiff of fresh air! Inter-Religious Unity, Human to Human Brotherhood, and Curbing this Hateful Fundamentalism among Hindus -- are'nt these all we need to defeat the divisive aims of this terrorism(without-any-religion)?

Can't wait to hear more of your original ideas. More... More.

And unlike you, here is this person Mudy, using such hateful language as "Kick out Bangladeshi and Pakis from India". So bad, so cruel, so hateful to say the least!

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Husky - 12-04-2008

<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Requesting IF Admin to:</span>
1. move posts 134-136, 138, 139, 202, 205 <i>and this post</i>
2. AND <b>move every other post</b> vinodreddy gade makes <i>both now and in the future</i>
to its very own separate thread. Can call the new thread "vinodreddy gade monologues", so that we all know where we may find his opinions in case we ever want to expose ourselves again to more ill-timed and poor-quality comedy. I think such a solution is very in line with "freedom of speech" while still preserving our <i>freedom to be spared the never-ending psecular claptrap</i>.

There should be some charge applicable to those who always tire other people with their incessant insipid talk, which these uninvited then imagine is 'clever' or 'reasonable' or a 'true discussion of the different points of view on a topic'. Insipidity does not qualify as a point of view. It only attains the level of being eligible to be Permanently Ignored.
The psecular uninvited never read everything on this forum and its archives and at its links until they know what others here learn by reading (like I did). They just want their unoriginal and uninformed opinions (or opinions unaffected by facts) to be heard and reheard as if these would constitute Eureka moments if only people here could be battered by them frequently enough. It is for the pseculars, then, that I ask Admin to consider the option of the Pseculars Monologue thread.

<b>Please Admin,</b> <i>je vous en supplit</i>. Enough with the entities that always invite themselves over to insinuate the same old psecular time-waster arguments, deluding themselves into thinking they are being original and are saying something no one else ever heard of/thought of/encountered. I've had it with their swallowing my time and distracting and interrupting many different threads. Of all the World Wide Web where their say will be put on a soap box and venerated like jeebus'-own-corpse-on-a-stauros (stake), they have to choose IF: they come all the way here to evangelically impose themselves on everyone with their unwanted oft-heard tiresome opinions. So if IF will indulge them by letting them have their own thread in some obscure corner of IF (say even the Trash Can) - it's certainly more than their dime-a-dozen views are worth - IF would have done its duty to the "Freedom of Speech" that pseculars only recall when they want to hound Hindus/Natural Traditionalists with their unsought opinions (but which they then always conveniently forget when we show how christoislamism is terrorising the world, at which point they want us to 'kindly' shut up).

<span style='color:blue'>For Vinod and his mental kindred:</span>
<!--QuoteBegin-vinodreddy gade+Dec 4 2008, 11:11 AM-->QUOTE(vinodreddy gade @ Dec 4 2008, 11:11 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->  While one mentioned above has nothing to  do with religion. Hitler accused Britain and United states  both Christian  majority countries of supporting Jews. So this is no Christians Vs Jews concept.[right][snapback]91369[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Sou desu ka? Where did this entity study history? Oh I know, at communist central.

Here -
1. the belt buckle that every nazi wore:
<img src='' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
It says in German "Gott mit uns" (meaning: gawd with us) - referring to the non-existent christian gawd. The nazi soldiers wore that, standard gear.
2. See the photos of nazi nuns and priests at The page also has scanned images of documents emanating from christian priests maintaining concentration camps of Jews. They wrote letters to the German nazi state on how things were going in their concentration camps.
It says the images are taken from: "[KS] E.Klee, Die SA Jesu Christi. Die Kirchen im Banne Hitlers (The SA of Jesus Christ: The Churches Under Hitler), Frankfurt/Main: Fischer 1989. [Link]"
3. See front cover of book "Kirche und Nationalsozialismus"/"Churches and nazism" - yes, that's the nazi symbol Hakenkreuz (Cross of hooks) flagging atop a christian church. If you can't be bothered clicking on it, here's yet another example:
4. <img src='' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
^ Cover of the German book "Greetings to gawd (=christian gawd onlee) and <the infamous nazi greeting to WWII Germany's infamous catholic nazi tyrant>! Catholic Churches and national socialism in Austria". Original title with some mangling of nazi greet "Grüß Gott und Haiyle Hittler! Katholische Kirche und Nationalsozialismus in Österreich".
See the nazi flags hanging on the spires? That was common in German churches you know. Nazi Germany was a faithfully christian country
6. See the photos of hitler and his men and the headstones (crosses) of the dead nazi German soldiers at
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One must not forget that Germany represented the most Christianized country in the world in the 1930s and 40s. Nazi Christian soldiers died as Protestants and Catholics and their grave markers testified to their religion.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Look at the many pictures there of the priests blessing their nazi sheep! So 'heart-warming'.
7. Catholic nazi Ustashe (Croatia) - mainly priests but also lay christians: so many 'moving' pictures of the genocidal catholic maniacs here
(Most links and images found via and several earlier posts at IF)

Read the book <b>"Martin Luther: Hitler's Spiritual Ancestor" by Peter F. Wiener</b>
reviewed at American Atheists:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Written during World War II as a "Win the Peace Pamphlet,"</b> this little book shocked England and America by its documentation of the close agreement in "principles" between the Catholic Adolf Hitler and the founder of the Lutheran Church. A professor of the German and French languages, the author delved into the never-translated writings of Martin Luther to show just how abominable Luther's thoughts were. Even though the author was restrained by British prudery from using gutter-English equivalents of Luther's gutter-German vocabulary, the vileness of Luther's writing is never in doubt. <b>Wiener was able to demonstrate beyond cavil that Hitler's duplicities, deceptions, anti-Semitism, and violent nature can all find parallels in Luther's life and writings.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Vinod will now write to the German Peter F Wiener who wrote this book during WWII and tell Wiener how he got history all wrong and how the psecular Vinod knows better. Vinod should tell Wiener (if the man's still alive) how he should not be religiously intolerant and should not name christianism...

I am sure Vinod must have heard of protestant reformer <b>Maarten/Martin Luther's book "Of the Jews and their lies"</b>. Vinod would also know what a great inspiration he was to all the faithful christian nazis. Including this here one:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->[Roman Catholic] Julius Streicher... published, edited, and wrote for the German newspaper Der Stürmer (nazi stormtrooper) and served as a prominent Nazi prior to and during World War II. When asked if there were any other anti-Semitic publications, other than Der Stürmer, published in Germany, Streicher replied:
        "Anti-Semitic publications have existed in Germany for centuries. A book I had, written by Dr. Martin Luther, was, for instance, confiscated. Dr. Martin Luther would very probably sit in my place in the defendants' dock today, if this book had been taken into consideration by the Prosecution. In this book The Jews and Their Lies, Dr. Martin Luther writes that the Jews are a serpent's brood and one should burn down their synagogues and destroy them..."
        -- Julius Streicher


I also suggest Vinod and his clones read every page at
on the Holocaust throughout christian history

in particular Christianity in Europe during WWII Luther's book "Of the Jews and their lies". The nazis and their churches sent copies of this traditionally christian document into all corners of their holy christian reich - a review of James Carroll's book "Constantine's Sword: The Church and the Jews", where the *christian* author explains exactly why the history of christianism = anti-semitism. Caroll notes:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->No Catholic-born Nazi-- not Goebbels, Himmler, or Bormann; not even Adolf Hitler, who died with his name still on the rolls of the Catholic Church, and for whom the Catholic primate of Germany ordered the Requiem sung after his suicide-- was ever excommunicated for being a Nazi. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It was in fact worse, see:
3. Facts (news articles, direct quotes, and the like) on how the faithful christian Vatican helped the catholic ustashe nazis of Croatia and the German christian nazis of Germany escape from justice after the war. Apparently, this famous escape is referred to as the "Vatican ratlines":
Read all four pages to A7d which are on the fascism during WWII that was but the natural expression of *christianism* in that age. Same as how medieval fascism (called crusades and pogroms against Jews) was also christian.

4. And Vinod will then learn German - in case he hasn't already - in order to read the scholarly books by <b>Karlheinz Deschner</b> (= German historian on the church) on the history of christianism. Particularly KD's books on WWII, nazism, and the wartime popes and their natural love-affair with fascism - which are apparently just as scholastically excellent as the rest of Deschner's output.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Vinod: He (hitler) felt that ethnic Germans in Austria and Czechoslovakia are oppressed by Jews as  he was also a German from a village in Austria and he developed a hatred towards  them and in his speech he says "Its time to see the free German spirit above  all". Dividing themselves as  German, Polish ,French , English and so on europeans plunged Europe into war and it took the world along with it.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Where did you study history? Tell me so I can get your school(s) banned for mal-education.
The Jewish people at the Anti-Defamation League understandably don't take it kindly when lying pseculars take 'liberties' (understatement) with history. I'm sure you will be hearing from them as soon as you give me/them your contact details. 'kay?

Besides, Europe was always divided. In its entire history it was never one.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->clearly all events mentioned by Mr.Husky are clear evidence of what catastrophes  can happen when religious intolerance or regional intolerance take  precendence. When we are discussing here of one such catastrophe that was caused by religious intolerance and if we want to irradicate it  then we need to counter it  with  religious unity because its the only solution.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Natural Traditionalists *will* eradicate ideologies of intolerance/terrorism = christoislamicommunazism.
A time will soon come when we will no longer be wasting time dialoguing with willingly confused entities who think that every religion:
a) *is* either intolerant (=communist claim) or
b) that every religion *can* be intolerant (=christoislami apologist's claim, for the purposes of arguing for equal-equalness).
We'll just leave your kind to monologue by yourself and to your hobby of rewriting history for perpetuating only your own self-delusion.

There are some ideologies (christoislamicommunazism) that <b>are</b> intolerant - intolerance and violence is <i>all</i> there is to them. The pseculars do their darnest to present other traditions in the same way, in order to make it all appear "equal-equal"; so that the pseculars can then condemn them all uniformly or can then bring Natural Traditions down to the level of christoislamism through Argumentum Ad Phoney Equivalence.

Reaction to intolerance's provocative violence *does not* constitute intolerance - though pseculars will argue that it does: that native Americans rising up to fight the christian invasion of their lands and the christian genocide of their peoples are "equally to blame" and "equally intolerant" for being forced into the unGandhian path of war. It does not take two to die by violence: throughout history, peaceful peoples have been extincted by the violence of intolerant ideologies. But the minute any of these peaceful peoples finally stand up for themselves and say "Enough is Enough, No More, We Will Defend Our Way of Life and Our Right To Exist" in response to the never-ending stream of terrorism by christoislamicommunism, pseculars (like vinod here) will crawl out of the woodwork - springing energetically into action after their highly eloquent silence and inertia during the genocides by christoislamicommunazism. And having thus "timely" emerged, they will commence with 'objectively' condemning the terrorised victimised peoples' right to self-defense. They will then follow this up with self-righteous lectures on how some imaginary, disingenuously generalised "religious intolerance" is the cause for all humanity's woes.

Again, arch-psecular Vinod's arguments - pleading for Natural Traditionalists to rigidly maintain religious tolerance in the face of the most destructive intolerance in the history of humanity - comes down to the same as arguing that the orthodox Serbians and the catholic Croatian ustashe nazis were "equally to blame" for the former being genocided by the latter:
"If only the Serbs would have realised the futility of their religious intolerance which invited upon themselves the genocide of the catholic nazi ustashe - which took place after the catholic croatians' previous genocides of the Serbs in WWI and before that - all their problems would have been solved."
"If only the rape victim would have exercised the same amount of self-control and respect for others, (s)he would not have been attacked by the rapist."
Vinod really should preach his "equal-equal" message universally, it obviously has such wide applicability.

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Husky - 12-04-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Thursday, December 04, 2008
terrorist threat to Narendra Modi. Suicide attackers have moved close to him.
dec 4th, 2008

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: निरवधि सीमा

Hello All,
Did you hear about this one? It has been ignored by the pseudo-secular media as usual. <b>There is a fidayeen terror threat to the life of Mr. Narendra Modi. The police is saying that the suicide attackers have moved close to Mr. Modi, and the state government has been asked to be on high alert.</b>

    "One of the intelligence intercepts said the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) was determined to avenge the killings of over a thousand Muslims in Gujarat in 2002 by killing 5,000 in Gujarat. <b>Similar information has now been revealed by the lone terrorist now in the custody of the Mumbai police,"</b> says an intelligence source.

For more details, go to <b></b>

I hope this is taken very seriously since it is clear now that the present Government has committed grave Criminal Negligence by ignoring actionable specific intelligence inputs from less than a month ago (twice from US itself) to over a year ago. I hope you all and great nationalist leaders like Mr. Modi, et al take due care of your safety. Because under this Romeraaj, when Roul Vinci aka Rahul Gandhi is out partying, no one is safe.


Dallas, TX<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And a comment at
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Blogger  blogger said...

    <b>FIDAYEEN TERROR THREAT: Narendra Modi is next</b> (<- link)

    "One of the intelligence intercepts said the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) was determined to avenge the killings of over a thousand Muslims in Gujarat in 2002 by killing 5,000 in Gujarat. Similar information has now been revealed by the lone terrorist now in the custody of the Mumbai police," says an intelligence source.

<b>    Another senior Maharashtra police officer said a group of LeT operatives was already in Gujarat trying to penetrate Modis inner cordon.</b>

    "After the Mumbai attacks, the threat to Modi has increased. Our perception is suicide attackers have moved close to Modi, and the state government has been asked to be on high alert," the officer said.

    This is very serious and the Government should do everything possible to protect Gujarat Chief Minister Mr. Narendra Modi, a great visionary and nationalist leader that Bharat has seen in a long while.

    12/04/2008 12:42 AM<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Guest - 12-04-2008

Forwarded elsewhere by Sandhya Ji:

http://www.vijayvaa DisplayArticle. aspx?id=268Mumbai terror probe – silence of the conspirators

Radha Rajan

4 December 2008

There is a growing feeling among a small section of political commentators and the politically well-informed that there is a sinister silence in certain quarters of the media and Indian intelligentsia about core details of the Mumbai terror attack, even as the government undertakes a major cover-up operation and goes through the motions of conducting a hard-nosed investigation into the terror plot.

Almost as if to cover-up this silence, television channels are giving us an overdose of shrill women - socialites and film personalities, Bollywood's angry young and old men who saw in these TV discussions an opportunity to flaunt the secular credentials of the rich, famous and usually blasé Mumbaikar. These normally indifferent and bored rich Mumbaikars were shaken awake into the real world as jihadi terror, for the first time, made them victims of its malevolent attention.

You did not hear them screech and throw a tantrum abusing politicians on earlier occasions when the ordinary Mumbaikar and ordinary Indian was targeted in local trains, in crowded bazaars, and in temples where you will not see Sharmila Tagore or Shobhaa De, Mahesh Bhatt or Arjun Rampal, Ratna Pathak Shah and Tom Alter, Aamir Khan or Subhashini Khan.

They are all screeching now because jihadis struck their party and pleasure dens; and while they are usually a non-caring and self-absorbed lot, undisturbed by nationalism and the passion of ordinary mortals who have not been spoilt by money and fame, this class took the opportunity to make a few shrill noises about the virtues of the politics of minority-ism; they also indulged in nauseating binges of diatribe against politicians in general. The religious minorities among the rich and the famous, and those of mixed marriages, remained conspicuously silent about the culpability of the Congress Party for the terror attack, but had no inhibitions about haranguing the BJP for lesser sins.

This group spoke about their insecurities, about their fears and anger, about politicians letting them down. But not one spoke about how this terror attack was an assault on the dignity of the nation, a violation of the sanctity of national borders, or how this was an attack on India's integrity and her self-identity. Not a word was uttered about concern for the nation, it was I, me, myself and my own all the way. While almost all of them waxed eloquent about safeguarding and protecting Christians and Muslims, no one was invited to speak for the Hindus. Barkha Dutt of course had a Muslim sitting prominently in her programme, and as usual she put her arms solicitously around the poor grieving man's shoulders. Simi Grewal's challenge that she would take people to show them localities in Mumbai, where inhabitants have raised the Pakistani flag all over, was exorcised the next day on the repeat show. The silence of the conspirators had begun.

The key to understanding how and why the terror attacks happened lies in the investigations into the Malegaon blasts and the character of Hemant Karkare, the chief of Maharashtra ATS; and it is on this issue that the silence of the media, the chatteratti, our verbose counter-terrorism experts, the Maharashtra Government and the UPA government in Delhi is most deafening. This resounding silence is a dead give-away that the really guilty have not resigned, have not been axed, and have not even been exposed. And that is why this silence is the silence of conspirators.

Hemant Karkare is dead allegedly while bravely fighting the terrorists, and so we may never know the truth. But we can connect the dots and the picture it makes causes grave disquiet. Some say he died of bullets to the chest, some say to the neck, some say bulletproof vests are useless against AK 47s and Kalashnikovs, while others say Karkare had removed his bulletproof vest and was killed when seated in his car.

Long before the Mumbai terror attack, I had expressed the view to two of my friends that the thrust of the investigations into the Malegaon blasts is not to find the accused guilty but to weaken any future BJP government's measures to deal with jihad, jihadis and religious conversion undertaken by Islam and the Church, and to question the government's motives. Whoever masterminded the investigations and was directing the ATS did not want any change in the public discourse on terror or on the issue of the basis of nationhood. The entire investigation had the following fall-out –

1) Bring disrepute to stringent laws like POTA by using a state law like the MCOCA against innocent Hindus, to demonstrate cynically and contemptuously to the RSS and the BJP that we have shown you how a law can be misused.

2) Bring disrepute to narco-analysis by forcing Hindus to discredit the method because Hindus perceived it as being used against Hindus, to arrest them allegedly on the basis of what they 'confessed' under the influence of psychotropic drugs.

3) Bring army intelligence agencies (Lt. Col. Purohit) into disrepute so that any action resulting from army intelligence against jihadis and jihad-sponsoring outfits and nations can be laid at the door of 'Hindu extremists' in the army.

4) The resultant disrepute is that the Indian Army is communalised and anti-Muslim by nature.

5) Label Hindu sadhus and sanyasis as terrorists so that any resistance from Hindu society to jihad and religious conversion may, in future, be labelled as acts of terror by "Sangh Parivar outfits". The national debate on Bangladeshi Muslims, the pan-national loyalty of all Muslims to the Ummah, and religious conversion, would thus conveniently acquire 'Hindu terror' dimensions.

6) Undermine people's faith in all institutions and organizations wielding great moral authority and influence, and this includes our police and armed forces.

To put it bluntly, the nature and direction of the Malegaon blasts investigation, which had become a witch-hunt for 'Hindu terrorists', was intended to weaken, defame and ultimately neutralise all centers of Hindu resistance to jihad and the evangelical church. The media has been reporting that Hemant Karkare died a very unhappy man. He is alleged to have expressed his deep unhappiness about 'political interference' into the Malegaon blasts investigations to two media persons of two English TV news channels. Karkare is also reported to have asked the then Maharashtra Home Minister R.R. Patil, on the very day he died, to be transferred out of the ATS. Such was his unhappiness.

We have it from one of the media persons who spoke to Karkare the day before he died that Karkare told him that over 90% of the ATS had been diverted into the Malegaon blasts probe. This witch-hunt for Hindu terrorists has all the hallmark of having been conceived in the mind of a strategist for the Congress party or it’s President, and who was probably himself/herself being manipulated by string-pullers located elsewhere. The questions and suspicions that come to our mind –

Ø The Times of India, dated 27 November 2008, page 11, reported that Hemant Karkare met the National Security Adviser (NSA) M.K. Narayanan in Delhi .

Ø When the Prime Minister refused to accept the NSA's resignation in the wake of the Mumbai terror attack, a functionary in the PMO declared that the NSA is "not expected to micro-manage national security".

Ø If that be so, why was the NSA taking such intense interest in the Malegaon blasts probe?

Ø Why did the NSA summon the ATS chief Karkare to Delhi unless it was to seek an explanation as to why the ATS failed to get custody of Sadhvi Pragya and Lt. Col. Purohit in the MCOCA court?

Ø Why was M.K. Narayanan so anxious to know why the accused Hindus will not continue to remain in ATS custody?

Ø If Karkare had seven years of experience in R&AW, almost all of them overseas appointments, why was he removed from R&AW and appointed chief of ATS?

Ø Who chose Karkare for the job and why was he chosen when he had little or no field experience in tackling terror in Mumbai?

Ø If Karkare was unhappy about political interference in the Malegaon blasts probe, why did he not resign instead of submitting to lead the ATS on a wild-goose-chase?

Ø If Karkare was heading the ATS, why did he not equip the ATS with battle-gear appropriate for fighting jihadis possessing sophisticated and contemporary arms, explosives and technology? After all, the city of Mumbai has always been the chosen target of jihadis, besides Hindu temples.

Ø Why was Shivraj Patil made Home Minister and why was he not removed until the very end when the UPA is on its way out of Delhi

Ø Who chose M.K. Narayanan as National Security Adviser when he had worked for the Ford Foundation funded American think-tank, Center for Security Analysis, just prior to his appointment?

We get the sinking feeling that the FBI and the Scotland Yard are here to "take charge" of the investigations only to make sure that their readings of all evidence will not point to Pakistan . The US and the UK need Pakistan for more reasons than one and it is my conjecture that their conclusions are going to be different from those of Indian investigating agencies. And M.K. Narayanan has been retained as NSA probably because this government wants to make sure that the FBI and Scotland Yard are unhindered in their dubious mission.

The UPA government too does not want war with Pakistan , jihad, jihadis or the evangelical church. The silence about why India permitted the non-reciprocal measure of foreign investigating agencies to come to India to "assist in the investigations" is also mystifying. While the media is going after Vilasrao Deshmukh, Achutanandan, Ram Gopal Verma and Shivraj Patil, it has kept its hands off the NSA. Who is pulling the media strings?

It remains to be seen if the BJP will deal differently with jihad and whether the BJP will probe the investigations into the Mumbai terror investigations with regard to the role of the ATS under Hemant Karkare and the NSA in allowing it to happen. It also remains to be seen if the BJP will be as relentless in its mission as those that set off the ATS on the hunt for Hindu terrorists.

Shivraj Patil was the least guilty among them all. The guiltiest will be the person who chose these people for these posts. This nation's critical voices about the freedom movement and the INC have been intimidated and threatened to silence; we will not allow the government to silence voices which are questioning the motives of those who instigated and masterminded the Malegaon blasts probe which this writer believes was the single most important reason why the UPA government, the NSA and the Maharashtra ATS looked away from jihad, jihadis and jihadi outfits at home and across the border.

Pakistan is guilty, and guilty are the jihadis, but guiltier are those who abused their power to misuse state instruments for vested interests, endangering in the process the nation's borders and the security of its citizens.

The author is Editor. www.vigilonline. com

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Husky - 12-04-2008

^ and ^^
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>'Let's learn from Israel'</b>
In this hour of crisis, just one single statement from David Ben Gurion, Founding Father and first PM of  Israel  can act magic in raising the morale of all the nationalistic Indians of this great Nation soar high. He said to Ariel Sharon, former Defence Minister and later PM of Israel just before his death which has gone on records as the greatest Jewish anecdote ever-  <b> "Let me first tell you one thing: it doesn't matter what the world says about Israel, it doesn't matter what they say about us anywhere else. The only thing that matters is that we can exist here on the land of our forefathers. And unless we show the Arabs that there is a high price to pay for murdering Jews, we won't survive."</b>

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Pandyan - 12-04-2008

I'm not so sure if this character is worth all that effort.

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Guest - 12-04-2008

<!--QuoteBegin-Pandyan+Dec 4 2008, 06:36 PM-->QUOTE(Pandyan @ Dec 4 2008, 06:36 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm not so sure if this character is worth all that effort.
I think variety is either Muslim who was banned couple of time before or EJ who also got same treatment.

Weekend I will move post to Misc kitty.

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Guest - 12-04-2008

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->He says that as the more details came out of the horrific nature of the attacks he was livid over the failure of the system he is presiding over.


PM, team formulate response to Mumbai attack<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Many experts who know Dr Singh's style of functioning claim that it's <b>not good diplomacy to alienate powerful countries like the US, UK and EU </b>when their full sympathy is with India.

In this critical time, Deepak Sandhu, principal information officer, has resigned from her job and has joined the PMO as media advisor.

She told that she will start interacting with media only next week. Being a bureaucrat throughout her career she is expected to go by the rule book
After so many attacks during his time, Diaper SIngh is still clueless. He still believes in appeasing others when his country men are dyiing, what kind of idiot is PM of India.

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Guest - 12-04-2008

<b>Ex-ISI quotes Left, wants govt to listen to Karat</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->
NEW DELHI: Hamid Gul, former chief of ISI and ideologue of fundamentalism, has said that New Delhi should listen to views of the Indian Communists parties here and stop playing a ‘lackey’ to the US.  <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Now Hamid Gul is endrosing Indian Commies. Good going.

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Guest - 12-04-2008

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>US wants four ex-ISI officials to be declared as international terrorists </b>
The US has given four names of former Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) officials, including Lt-Gen (retd) Hameed Gul, to the UN Security Council to put them on the list of international terrorists, The News reported. Hameed Gul confirmed that he was included in the list of those four or five former ISI officials whose names had been provided to the UN Secretary-General by the US Government to be included in the list of international terrorists under Resolution 1267 of the Security Council. Gul admitted that he had already met the foreign affairs secretary to discuss the issue. A Foreign Office source said the issue had already been referred to the prime minister’s office but no decision had been taken by the Government so far. Lou Fintor, the US embassy spokesman, said the embassy was unaware about the issue.

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Shambhu - 12-04-2008 the commies have a terrorist's letter of recommendation. <!--emo&:bcow--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/b_cowboy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='b_cowboy.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Guest - 12-04-2008

<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Dec 4 2008, 10:29 PM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Dec 4 2008, 10:29 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> the commies have a terrorist's letter of recommendation. <!--emo&:bcow--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/b_cowboy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='b_cowboy.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Indian Commies are worst form disease in India.

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Guest - 12-04-2008

<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Dec 4 2008, 10:50 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Dec 4 2008, 10:50 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Dec 4 2008, 10:29 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shambhu @ Dec 4 2008, 10:29 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> the commies have a terrorist's letter of recommendation. <!--emo&:bcow--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/b_cowboy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='b_cowboy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Indian Commies are worst form disease in India.

One of the worst, but there are more dangerous foes to reckon with. Anyway, communist hold outs in India have seen rapid decrease in the Hindu population share, plunder of temple wealth and unchecked terrorizing of Hindus.

My theory is that all the enemies of the Hinduism have laid a joint siege on the dharma, having failed to obliterate us individually.

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Guest - 12-04-2008

Why after attack Indian Government failed to close Airport and Railway?
They should have verified everyone as US did after 9/11.

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Pandyan - 12-04-2008

We can't have such grandiose expectations of the emerging chooperpawar. They didn't even close the street of the attacks, can't expect them to close railways or airport.

Attack in Mumbai -2 - Guest - 12-05-2008
Porbandar: Now that Porbandar is an intelligence hotspot in the wake of the Mumbai Terror strike and is inundated with investigators from various Central agencies, a sobering casualty has been the traditional evening peg or two (or more) of the Navy men here.
I was told by a security guard that he stopped a suspicious looking man near our campus on Wednesday. He was from the RAW,” a Coast Guard officer added.