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"Hindu terror" Eidolon - Guest - 10-26-2008

QUOTEAppeal to overthrow proposed ban on Sanatan Sanstha

Posted by: "Bhavna Shinde"
Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:40 pm (PDT)
---------- Forwarded message ----------

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Namaskar.

There is a ban being proposed on Sanatan Sanstha by some politically driven
groups in Bhaarat (India). We appeal to you for help in overthrowing this
unjust proposal, by spreading this awareness drive and by writing to the
relevant authorities here: www.sanatan.org/en/08/index.html. At this link
you can read about the (flimsy) background of the proposed ban.

To learn more about Sanatan Sanstha, please read onâ¦

*Who we **are ***

Sanatan Sanstha is a Charitable Trust based in India. For the last 17 years,
Sanatan Sanstha is engaged in spreading the Science of Spirituality for the
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curious about Spirituality in a scientific manner and guide them to
undertake spiritual practice according to their respective religious
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bringing about communal harmony and building a healthy society to usher in a
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and materially.

* *

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From a handful of seekers (that is, volunteers practicing Spirituality for
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* *

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Sanatan Sanstha's ashrams and centers are centers for learning Spirituality
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On the background of the recent allegations about Sanatan Sanstha, a report
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* *

*A glimpse into our activities** *

Sanatan Sanstha's ashrams and centers are a source of inspiration and
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* *

*An appeal***

Such a selfless organization is being made a victim of vote-bank politics,
with a ban proposed! We will appreciate your support and participation in
our activities, and look forward to your participating in and spreading this
awareness drive.

"Sanghe shakti kalauyuge!" ("In this current era of strife, strenght lies in
unity!")

Regards,

Bhavna Shinde

www.Sanatan.org <http://www.sanatan.org/>

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - shamu - 10-26-2008

Does anybody know what is the truth behind this whole incident?

Sadhviâs BJP connection

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - Husky - 10-27-2008

Post 1 of 3
QUOTE(shamu @ Oct 26 2008, 05:14 AM)Does anybody know what is the truth behind this whole incident?
Sadhviâs BJP connection
[right][snapback]89450[/snapback][/right]I don't know. But have a read through the following:

a. http://www.dailypioneer.com/130450/What-is-Hindu-terror.html
Sunday, October 26, 2008
What is Hindu terror?
The cutting ed: Chandan Mitra

b. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/10/bew...-is-out-to.html
QUOTEBEWARE BJP........ANTI HINDU MEDIA IS OUT TO PORTRAY YOU AS COMMUNAL, ANTI DEVELOPMENT AND ANTI MINORITIES.......
oct 25th, 2008

yes, this is why there's such a fuss about 'hindu terrorists' in malegaon.

christist terrorist == mohdan terrorist == hindu terrorist is the equation they want to create.

however, there is no such thing as a hindu terrorist, just like there's no jesus or thomas, nor adam (of bridge fame). they are all figments of the imagination.(Also read the interesting comments there about the alleged rape of a nun in Orissa.)

Subsequent ones are all at Offstumped. Good to go through all of them, but here are some excerpts:

c.
The hunt for the elusive un-Hindu Terrorist (posted by Shambhu in another IF thread)
QUOTETwo stories in the Indian Express and the NDTV have caught Offstumpedâs attention courtesy fellow INI bloggers.

The stories are striking for all the wrong reasons. With neither attributable sources nor a respect for accuracy of facts, both the stories feed into insinuations and rumors that have been doing the rounds for some time now by known apologists of Jihadi Terrorism.

While the story in the Indian Express names the Hindu Jagaran Manch and gets very specific about the group being based in Indore and having links to the ABVP it neither explains what it means âby links to ABVPâ nor does it name who the Police sources for this story.

The second story in the NDTV is a disgrace to journalism or any kind of news reporting. It is careless in its reportage by referring to single instances of 1 bomb blast in each city by characterising them as âmultiple blastsâ while being stunningly thin in its details.

We will hopefully in the days to come learn more if this was a mere insinuation or an inspired story to help the Congress or if there is more substance to it .
d. Enough with the rumor mongeringQUOTEIts been 48 hours since the story of alleged anti-Muslim Terrorism attributed to some Hindu groups has been doing the rounds. It is instructive to note that all the facts in this reportage so far are based on unattributed remarks to the Anti-Terrorism cell of the Maharashtra Police.

Let us trace the how the Malegaon, Modasa blasts stories have been reported, thanks to Google we can establish a clear timeline here.

You had the apologists in CounterCurrents raise the bogey of Hindutva Terrorism on Oct 4th even before any investigations were launched.

Then comes this story on Oct 22nd which Offstumped linked to with the first claims that Cops have cracked the Malegaon Blasts.

Since then roughly 45 news stories have made the rounds from demands for a ban on Bajarang Dal in Parliament to debates on Live Television on the root causes.

We have names, we have antecedents, we have links which started with ABVP and now morphed to VHP but all this while a serious gaping hole.

Here is the problem with this manufactured outrage - There is not a single attributable remark to anyone in either the Maharashtra Police or the Maharashtra Government to actually go on record and say what has been leaked to the media.
[...]
e. Cookbook on dealing with Orwellian Media Tactics
QUOTEIt is now clear that the Communal Socialists in the media would not rest till the phrases âHindu Terrorismâ, âHindutva Terrorismâ and âHindu Terroristsâ gain enough currency to completely dilute Indiaâs War on Terror and strategic response to Terrorism that swears by Islam and Jihad.
[...]
f. After the outrage comes the denialQUOTEPardon the formatting this comes from the blackberry. The times of india now carries a story released by the PTI late friday night, after 10pm to be precise quoting the Joint Commissioner of Police, Anti-Terrorism Squad Hemant Karkare.

It is interesting to note the title of this story which says âMalegaon blast suspects had founded 2 right wing outfits;ATSâ is at odds with the text of the story, specifically the categorical clarifications of Mr. Karkare.

âThere is no specific organisation to which the three belong though we have found pamphlets of the Jai Vande Mataram Jan Kalyan Samiti which Praggnya Singh founded in 2002â³, Joint Commissioner of Police (ATS) Hemant Karkare.

âThe Joint Commissioner denied they had found any links between the trio and other right wing groupsâ.

âKarkare declined to confirm if the trio was involved in the blast in Gujarat Modasaâ.

âHe denied there was any evidence to show that they were in involved in any previous blasts including Malegaon 2006â³.

Until further data comes my way from reliable sources (unreliable sources are discussed below), the following stuff posted earlier on IF is what my own preliminary perspective is based on:

1. Christomedia
http://pseudosecularism.blogspot.com/2007/...-in-bharat.html
What is media & who owns media in Bharat
Excerpt:
QUOTE[...]
NDTV: A very popular TV news media is funded by Gospels of Charity in Spain supports Communism. Recently it has developed a soft corner towards Pakistan because Pakistan President has allowed only this channel to be aired in Pakistan. Indian CEO Prannoy Roy is co-brother of Prakash Karat, General Secretary of Communist party of India.

India Today: which used to be the only national weekly who supported BJP is now bought by NDTV!! Since then the tone has changed drastically and turned into Hindu bashing.

CNN-IBN: This is 100 percent funded by Southern Baptist Church with its branches in all over the world with HQ in US. The Church annually allocates $800 million for promotion of its channel. Its Indian head is Rajdeep Sardesai and his wife Sagarika Ghosh.

Times group list: Times Of India, Mid-Day, Nav-Bharth Times, Stardust, Femina, Vijaya Times, Vijaya Karnataka, Times now (24- hour news channel) and many more. Times Group is owned by Bennet & Coleman. "World Christian Council" does 80 percent of the Funding, and an Englishman and an Italian equally share balance 20 percent. The Italian Robertio Mindo is a close relative of Sonia Gandhi.

Star TV: It is run by an Australian, who is supported by St. Peters Pontificial Church Melbourne.

Hindustan Times: Owned by Birla Group, but hands have changed since Shobana Bhartiya took over. Presently it is working in Collobration with Times Group.
[...]

The Hindu: English daily, started over 125 years has been recently taken over by Joshua Society, Berne, Switzerland. Indian Express: Divided into two groups.

The Indian Express and new Indian Express (southern edition). Acts Ministries has major stake in the Indian Express and later is still with the Indian counterpart.
[...]
Andhra Jyothi: The Muslim party of Hyderabad known as MIM along with a Congress Minister has purchased this Telgu daily very recently.

The Statesman: It is controlled by Communist Party of India.
Kairal TV: It is controlled by Communist party of India (Marxist)

Mathrubhoomi: Leaders of Muslim League and Communist leaders have major investment.

Asian Age and Deccan Chronicle: Is owned by a Saudi Arabian Company with its chief Editor M.J. Akbar.

2. Anti-BJP media. This is tangential, but interesting:
http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/cate...nn-ibn-boycott/
31 Jul 2008
QUOTEBoycott CNN-IBN

The BJP has announced a boycott of CNN-IBN for its refusal to air the tapes pertaining to the Cash for Votes Scandal.
Next day:
QUOTERavindra August 1st, 2008 at 7:35 am

Has this news come in any of the other channels? Atleast on the website of NDTV and Times Now, the news of the BJP boycott of CNN-IBN has been completely blacked out. Of course, I would not have expected any thing to appear on CNN-IBN itself

Its almost as if the boycott of a prominent media operator by the principal opposition party of the country is a non-event!

Such is this countryâs free media!

I am beginning to think what Ot says in comment # 28 might be true!

Jiggs August 1st, 2008 at 7:58 am

NO not on any of the major networks or in the news papers, except IE:

BJP to boycott CNN-IBN

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/343069.html

They dont want one of their own to get flogged by the public, thats why no body is reporting.

http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008...oycott-cnn-ibn/
QUOTECNN-IBN Boycott - Many Sins

Its been nearly 12 hours since the BJP announced its boycott of CNN-IBN, but the channel it appears lacks the intellectual courage to even acknowledge the boycott for its news value. But then we the consumers of news were foolish to believe that CNN-IBN was about Us. We just have to look at the vision statement expressed by Rajdeep Sardesai to realize that this was never about Us the consumers but always about them the Jholawallahs or as Rajdeep puts it in typical psuedo-intellecual fashionÂ - âeditorial sovereignityâ.
[...]
Offstumped Bottomline: That CNN-IBN has always been biased is not news. That CNN-IBN does not even care for a pretense of objectivity is not news. That CNN-IBN does not even believe in performance ethics or journalistic standards is not news. What is however news is that CNN-IBN thinks it can still survive as a viable business with this suicidal stance.This is an unprecedented stance by the principal Opposition against a media house in post emegency democratic India. It is unfathomable how CNN-IBN expects to survive if it doesnt dig itself out of the hole it finds itself in.

While point 2. seems somewhat unrelated, I've included it here, since it gives some indication of how these christo media houses share an anti-BJP stance and will work together when the common objective is this important. More than the BJP, they are out to get Hindu Dharma: they want to be able to always refer to this situation to make everything "equal-equal". Whenever jihadis attack in future, they can continue to say terrorism has no religion, and then, in the same breath, that the Hindus deserved it since they bombed whatever Hindus are accused of having bombed now. Just like the christomedia outlets say that the train torching that led to Godhra and other islamoterrorist acts were 'only natural/understandable because of what happened to Babri Masjid'.

Continued in the next post

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - Husky - 10-27-2008

Post 2 of 3

3. So then, have the islamaniacs ever attacked their own or the other terrorist minority and pushed the blame onto Hindus?
Why yes, yes they have:
- For a while, the media, islamaniacs and pseculars speculated (as they do) that the Hindoos Did It in the both Samjhauta Express and Mecca Masjid cases. Then it turned out that the usual suspects did it after all:
QUOTEBusiness Standard / New Delhi August 28, 2007
...
At Jihadi level, the question is why bombs should be aimed at Muslims and Muslim-majority areas. The attacks on the Samjhauta Express and on the Mecca Masjid in Hyderabad are good examples of this.More on the Mecca Masjid attack by islamists in the Bomb Blasts 1 thread
- Similarly:
http://www.dailypioneer.com/130450/What-is-Hindu-terror.html
QUOTEWhat is Hindu terror?
The cutting ed: Chandan Mitra

This line of thought was first propagated when the Malegaon blasts took place last year killing 37 people outside a mosque. A section of the media loudly wondered why jihadi terrorists would specifically target their co-religionists and suggestively hinted at the possibility of Hindu groups coming under the investigators' scanner.
But soon the case was cracked and it was authoritatively billed as a SIMI handiwork.
- The islamic Deendar Anjuman attacks on churches were blamed on Hindus too:
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/interviews/sulekha.html - Elst
QUOTE11. Teesta Setalvad, Kamal Mitra Chenory and others testified before the U.S. Commission for International Religious Freedom accusing the Modi government and the VHP of conducting a âpogromâ against the Muslims.Â Should Indian citizens testify before commissions of inquiry set up by foreign governments?Â
-- You mean the commission which swallowed John Dayalâs long-refuted allegation of a gang-rape of four nuns in Jhabua by âHindu activistsâ, who turned out to be Christian themselves? And which still believes that Hindus committed a series of bomb attacks on churches, though the culprits have been caught and identified as members of the Pak-based Deendar Anjuman? Genuine social activists like Swami Agnivesh have refused to appear before that commission on the correct plea that India is a sovereign and democratic nation which needs no lessons from the U.S.
(Elst was mistaken about the communist agnivesh.)
Democracy has brought the BJP to power, and the enemies of democracy try to overrule the votersâ verdict by appealing to higher powers such as the U.S. The term âpogromâ applies neatly to what Muslims did to Hindus in Godhra. A retaliation, by contrast, is not normally called a pogrom, unless you want to imply that the Jews who suffered in the Russian pogroms had asked for it. But there is no doubt that Hindus have massacred Muslims in Gujarat. I for one donât need a U.S. commission to prove that to me. What remains unproven, though, and in my opinion most unlikely, is that the VHP would have organized it. The only ones with a vested interest in preventing riots are the Hindu nationalists, for they invariably get the blame. That is why in Uttar Pradesh, Congress and Samajwadi governments have seen a much higher incidence in communal violence than BJP governments. Conversely, riots are the very life-blood of secularist politics.
By accident/islamic ineptitude, the truth came out - yet the Indian christian media and international press won't print a retraction of their lies, of course:
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/arti.../Religious.html
QUOTESimilarly, a series of bomb blasts against Christian churches in South India was automatically blamed on the Hindu nationalists. In that version, the story made headlines around the world: Hindu bomb terror against Christians. Hindu organizations alleged that it was a Pakistani operation, a blame-shifting exercise which only earned them ridicule and contempt. Yet, when two of the terrorists blew themselves up by mistake, their getaway car led the police to their network, and the whole gang was arrested. It turned out to be a Muslim group, a section of the Deendar Anjuman , with headquarters in Pakistan. But this was not reported on the front-pages in India nor made the topic of flaming editorials; and in the international media, it was not reported at all. In the worldwide perception of Hindu nationalism, the false association with raping nuns and bombing churches has stuck.It has been allowed to stick on purpose.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/oct/25franc.htm - Francois Gautier mentions the predictable reaction of the 'Indian' press on finding out the islamically faithful nature of the perpetrators:
QUOTEOr take the burning of churches in Andhra Pradesh a few months ago, which was supposed to have been committed by the "fanatic" RSS. It was proved later that it was actually the handiwork of Indian Muslims, at the behest of the ISI to foment hatred between Christians and Hindus. Yet the Indian press which went berserk at the time of the burnings, mostly kept quiet when the true nature of the perpetrators was revealed.
4. Have christos ever attacked their own in order to blame Hindus? And have they ever been involved in major terrorist or even militant acts in India?
Again: Yes on all counts.

- Cases of nuns allegedly raped by Hindus and christians 'murdered by Hindus' which were shown to be either cooked up by the usual christolies or were perpetrated by christians themselves. Summarised better here:
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/arti...ascism/bjp.html
QUOTEThe Christian missionary lobby had aptly sensed the frustration of the India-watchers at seeing the âunexpectedâ success of the BJP in maintaining communal peace, hence its initiative to launch an international slander campaign alleging BJP atrocities against the Christians. More than ever, they could count on the foreign experts to amplify their propaganda. The world media consumer was told about the rape of four nuns and about the killing of a Christian girl and her little brother âby Hindu fundamentalistsâ; but not about the subsequent finding that the culprits had been Christians. Even the murder of Rev. Staines and his two sons could not definitively be attributed to Hindu activists, but even if could have been, this would make the death toll of the âpersecutionâ of Christians in India peanuts compared to the suffering of Pakistani or Indonesian Christians, not to mention Kashmiri Hindus.
- In Sri Lanka, christians were famous for destroying their own churches and then crying persecution: Attacks on Christian Churches are Self-Inflicted

- And let's not forget the fleeing foreign missionary Kenneth Haywood and his rather likely involvement in terrorist attacks in India
After all, it's not the first time that US missionaries have been found to aid/facilitate/plan terrorist attacks around the globe. They meddled regularly in S America, for instance. In fact, they do this all the time when their christo govt wants to break up or control a country, as they have declared they want to do to Bharatam. Christomissionaries frequently arm the christoterrorist militants in the NE (e.g. BBC's "Church backing Tripura rebels"), provide arms for Nigerian christian guerillas and more. All for the grand cause of promoting the WASPy-flavour of love for non-existent jeebus among heathens.

5. Communists - same question: did they ever attack a terrorist minority in order to blame it on Hindus. Yes, quite recently too. See also below.

In fact, here are examples of christoislamicommunitwits attacking
each other/themselves/Hindus and blaming Hindus for it - all in this month itself:
- Communist Christian attacks Churches - CPM leader accuse Sangh Pariwar! (Christocommunista tried to frame Hindus)
- DYFI Murders their own leader - Hartal against Sangh Pariwar!! (Islamaniacs kill their own)
- Are Kannur NDF Terrorists too the conspiracy of Sangh Parivar? (Islamaniacs killing Hindus, then blaming Hindus)

6. Cryptos and communists have also been known to hire goons to play Hindus. Eg. ASHA/AID's head Sandeep Pandey hired people to impersonate Ayodhya Sadhus and shout Rama down. And the christoislami supporter and declared communist that calls itself "swamy agnivesh" is an imposter whom the christoislamics regularly employ in his capacity as a 'Hindu' to mouth anti-Hindu tirades. Similar to how other paid non-Hindu mouths like Karan Thapar regularly condemn Hinduism even as they state they are 'secular and true Hindus'. They are not Hindus, they are just undeclared: their allegiances are elsewhere. People's allegiances ought to be judged from their actions and the entirety of their discourse, rather than from accepting their trite statements of "I am a Hindu too" (since they assume this will then buy them the right to speak on behalf of Hindus) which they conveniently time to just before they start bashing Hindus . Self-declaring Hinduness is something any person who is willing to lie can do, it does not prove nor imply Hinduness.

7. Tangential. Can we trust police for being secular or are there terrorist goons among them?
- J&K has islamofascists in the police force as per GS
- Atrocities of the communista goons in Bengal's police in Nandigram
- When the Kanchi Shankaracharya was framed and incarcerated, he was tortured by christian police in TN
- In Korea, the christo police arrested a Buddhist monk on unproven allegations.
http://www.buddhapia.com/eng/tedesco/3.html
QUOTEMay 16, 1998.
Police investigator following a tip without evidence about organized gangsters barge into a dharma hall where a special ritual is in progress, put handcuffs on a monk and take him to the police station without an arrest warrant using violent language in front of the worshippers. This case is now on trial.All while the same christos in the Korean police religiously avoided booking their christoterrorist brethren for the frequent anti-Buddhist vandalism.
So, are the (crypto) christoislamicommunistas in our police reliable? Oh, I don't know...

Continued below.

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - Husky - 10-27-2008

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My opinion, based on the stuff in the 2 posts above:

I don't trust the christomedia of India, which
- posts Margaret 'Arundhati' Roy's lies (like on the murder or persecution of some Gujarati muslim who - it turned out - was out of the region when the Godhra riots happened),
- presents the islamo-apologists' monologue for releasing mohamed afzal while neglecting to cover the side of the families of the victims: the Indian defenders of Parliament,
- argues that terrorism has no religion and will no longer even venture "terrorists from the minority community" but will scream "Hindu terrorism" now it has jumped to the drastic conclusion that this must have been an instance of Hindus who planted bombs. Yeah, proof please.

Christowar is fought in many ways. In a country as big as India, the goal is to create the perception - both in India and on the international scale - that Hindus are not the victims of christoislamiterrorism (as we are), but that we are either the aggressors (like they made us out to be with Ayodhya, Godhra, and Orissa) - or if that can't be proved - that India is a quagmire of religious interfighting and that therefore the international community should support the christians who *couldn't possibly* be the criminals/instigators. The international sympathy is then meant to extend to the other terrorist minority. Christos achieve this sympathy-win through their lies in the media.

The secondary goal is to sway the secular Hindu into contemplating that the other Hindus *might perhaps* be capable of being ideological terrorists as well. That's 'cause the media terrorists know that the 'Secular Hindu' - already feeling alienated/'individual' from the whole Hindu community - can actually be brought to consider this and be made to judge other Hindus without evidence. After all, to the psecular Hindu, its secularism is more important than any other allegiances: it will sacrifice all else for this.
The secularists can be made to judge reacting Hindus on equal footing with the terrorist instigators, as happened recently with Orissa. The secular Hindu has been conditioned not to be able to distinguish between the two different kinds of motives, and hence will unabashedly pronounce its condemnatory sentences in presumed objectivity and blind uniformity over both situations: "It's all EQUALLY bad - all must be EQUALLY to blame". Yah. Psecularists never miss an opportunity to condescend. Including when it comes to unproven allegations: "alleged crimes attributed to Hindus are AS BAD AS factually proven crimes christoislamicommunazis committed."

Islamaniacs have their own goal. As someone described in one of those links to Offstumped at the top of this post, islamaniacs want to find a definition for terrorism that excludes them but includes Hindus. They want terrorist equated to kaffir, so they can play victim, even while they perpetrate terrorist crimes.

Christian war is a war for future history (through the archive that media represents) - and a favourable future history can only be ensured by media materials in the dominant language (so the future can understand it) which will present the christian spin on everything. For example - presenting the crisis in Orissa and Karnataka as "Hindu-instigated violence" as done by CNN and as done in wackypedia by Indian christos and apparently their American Baptist owners. The following is a comment at pseudosecularism.blogspot
QUOTEAt 10/03/2008 07:28:00 PM, Blogger R.Sajan said...
I request all netizens to go to Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia. Mallu priests in collaboration with some American Baptists are indulging in anti-India and anti-Hindu propaganda on that site.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_violence_in_India
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_violence_in_Karnataka
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_violence_in_India
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_religious_freedom_in_India
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence_in_India
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orissa_communal_violence
Please go to the sites and edit away all anti-India stuff in there.
If we do not do so, all that faecal matter would remain there as history. Please, please help!!

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Hijacking history is the same mechanism that christos adopted and through which they succeeded in making their christoterrorism in ancient Greece and Rome appear either equal-equal (when forced to admit to christian terrorism against natural traditionalists, see the Da Vinci Code where the protagonist declares that the pagans and christoterrorists were both to blame) or - as it was pretended for a long time - that the Ancient GrecoRomans were the persecutors of the poor innocent cannibal sheep.
http://pseudosecularism.blogspot.com/2008/...to-besiege.html
QUOTEHistory is always written by the victors and whoever controls the writing of history books control the past. Without doubt, the most consistently powerful force in the western world over the last two thousand years has been the Roman Catholic Church and consequently history has often been what it wanted to be

â George Orwell in his novel '1984'.

The questions I asked myself:
- Do I trust the English language christo-owned and funded media when they pronounce their judgements before even getting evidence (especially when this was preceeded by the communist countercurrents site declaring 'Hindus did it' well before they could have known: before officials publicised any data - see link to Offstumped 2 posts back)? No.
- Do I think them capable of lying and willing to do so? Oh Yes. They do it with clockwork regularity.
- Do I think the terrorist ideologies would commit terrorist acts and then/just in order to blame Hindus? Yes, as they already have.
- Do I think them capable of finding cryptos or bribing actual Hindus in order to insinuate that Hindus are to blame? Yes, as they already have.
- Do I think the media, congress and christoislamics in India and outside are willing to stoop to forgery, libel and worse in order to keep BJP out of power? Yes, as they already have.
- Do I think Hindus would retaliate in *such* a manner as terrorist bomb attacks? Going by past behaviour, No. It certainly is not a Hindu thing to do, so can't blame it on Hinduism if Hindus get desperate (just like one can't blame Buddhists in Japan for historical Japanese interfighting).
I think Hindus capable of retaliating - possibly even with violence in some situations, but they are not the kind to resort to terrorist tactics. Hindus tend to be provoked by christoislamaniacs into riots; they don't do random terrorist attacks. But Islamics use this indiscriminate method because their *Koran* allows/tells them to kill kaffirs and make dar-ul-harbs into dar-ul-islams; they also do it to destabilise the kaffiri nation of Hindoostan by scare tactics.
Rioting is instant, unreasonable revenge that provoked Hindus sometimes enter into. Terrorism and militancy requires a long-term goal, planning (it's not spontaneous, you need the gear, etcetera) - things christoislamaniacs do and which Hindus don't have. And if Hindus were finally to acquire long-term goals, resorting to terrorism won't serve them at all: Bharatam is already a Hindu country. It is only when the christoBritish tyrants ruled that Hindus did mutinies/uprisings, planned attacks. It is minorities that need to resort to terrorism to blackmail a majority, not the other way around.

There is no gain for Hindus in this, but there is a gain for Those Seeking Equal-Equalism. Mere provoked Hindu rioting is not providing the Opposition enough ammo for their allegations of 'Hindoo terrorism/Hindoo fascism/Down with the BJP'. Instead, they must somehow ban the Hindu Mahasabha - what am I saying, I mean the BJP - and taint Hindu Dharma. And I note that planting situations like this one are their only means.
This entire thing looks so manufactured. Elst wrote how communists in India were predicting "Hindoo fascism, Hindoo fascism" under BJP rule, but were thwarted by reality not producing any instances (and so they jumped onto the Ayodhya situation and incited that until it exploded into a fest of communal violence surrounding the babri masjid, and played a lame game of I Told You So). Because we won't *give* them the predicted instances of "Hindoo fascism", the next best thing for christoislamicommunazism in India is to plant the situation so they can refer to it as "Hindoo fascism". These tactics are not past them at all - after all, they have done it before.

Also, just as in the Elst quote in point 4 of the previous post (and also noted by "Nizhal Yoddha" in that earlier link to Rajeev2004.blogspot), it looks like the christos and christomedia are once again trying to influence both
- the elections in India and
- international opinion about Hindu Dharma and BJP,
by precipitating events like in Orissa, selectively reporting on it and then creating allegations like these. And oh yeah, by spreading their christolies in wackypedia

So, until irrefutable evidence (the kind that could not have been tampered with or manufactured) presents itself, I will continue to presume Hindu innocence and suspect christoislamism. Since I know the christomedia is hyper-unreliable, I'll have to use my own judgement to make up my own mind. It is the logical thing to do, when taking the various factors and past instances into account. It is also the Hindu thing to do: who, if not we, will give our own Dharma (and Hindus) the benefit of the doubt? Everyone else always indulges in christoislami apologetics when the Terrorism's guilt is so obvious; why must I assume Hindus' guilt when it is not even proven? (Trial by media or by Bannerjees and Sachar committee reports do not count as proof.)

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - ravish - 10-27-2008

[Shambhuji

The recent revelation by the Maharastra Police of Hindu extremist connection in Malegaon blast and the subsequent arrest of some persons in this connection is a significant development. If the facts so far reported in the media is true than one needs to take note of the serious ramifications that it may have on the Indian society as it is understood today.
I look forward to your valued comments on this development.

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - Husky - 10-27-2008

QUOTE(Husky @ Oct 27 2008, 12:17 PM)a. http://www.dailypioneer.com/130450/What-is-Hindu-terror.html
Sunday, October 26, 2008
What is Hindu terror?
The cutting ed: Chandan Mitra[right][snapback]89511[/snapback][/right]
Posting in full here:
QUOTEWhat is Hindu terror?

The cutting ed: Chandan Mitra

The media loves bogeys. First they are created; then, promoted; and finally bashed. In the last week one such bogey was discovered. With the vocal assistance of a section of the political class, it was assiduously promoted. Parliament being in session, the hype got further fillip. And almost immediately the bashing began.

It's a bogey the media has been trying to nurture for some months now. But they had failed to make headway in the absence of any supporting evidence. This line of thought was first propagated when the Malegaon blasts took place last year killing 37 people outside a mosque. A section of the media loudly wondered why jihadi terrorists would specifically target their co-religionists and suggestively hinted at the possibility of Hindu groups coming under the investigators' scanner.

But soon the case was cracked and it was authoritatively billed as a SIMI handiwork. But the secular-fundamentalists did not give up. They waited for two crude bombs to explode in Gujarat's Modasa and once again in Malegaon. This time, the Maharashtra Police obliged. Under fire for handling Raj Thackeray's rampaging goons in Mumbai with kid gloves, the authorities decided this was the most opportune time to selectively leak some sensitive information regarding the September 29, 2008 incidents. Howsoever far-fetched and tenuous the alleged suspects' links to the extended saffron parivar, the leaked news came in handy for the media to resume the onslaught on "Hindu terror".

Before we examine the ramifications of this allegation, it is important to understand the political motivation that guides the disproportionate attention paid to two crude bomb explosions last month. For a long time, the secular-fundamentalists and their cohorts in politics and the media have been agitating against the alleged stereotyping of Muslims as terrorists. That this too is a media-generated bogey is, of course, another matter. Nobody in their right minds has ever suggested that every Muslim is a terrorist, real or potential.

Indeed, there is consensus that Muslims are almost equal victims of jihadi terror as Hindus. There is also wide agreement that the Muslim community needs to be insulated from the evil influences of their Talibanised co-religionists and their leaders need to do more to combat jihadi ideology. It is only the opportunist practitioners of crass vote-bank politics -- Lalu Prasad, Ram Vilas Paswan, Amar Singh and their ilk -- that have engaged in stoking the fires of sectional Muslim angst over incidents like the arrest of mastermind Abu Bashar and the encounter at Batla House in Jamia Nagar. The Congress has unsuccessfully tried to hunt with the hound and run with the hare, but stopped short of endorsing the repugnant demand for revoking the ban on SIMI.

In the aftermath of the perfectly legitimate Jamia Nagar raid, there has been a systematic attempt to claim that the Indian Establishment is guilty of regarding every Muslim as a terrorist. This is precisely the premise on which the bogey of Hindu terrorism has been constructed. The argument is rather simplistic: The police and public are wrong in assuming all terror incidents to be executed by Muslim groups such as SIMI; that, new "revelations" suggest that many such terror attacks are the handiwork of Hindu outfits. So, Islamist terror must be treated on the same footing as 'Hindu terror'. So, if SIMI is banned, so must be Bajrang Dal, VHP, ABVP, RSS and, eventually, BJP.

That the Government will have neither the gumption nor evidence to do so is another matter. But repeated equation of Islamic and 'Hindu' terror is expected to sow doubts in people's minds and, hopefully, puncture the BJP's battering ram against the UPA regime, namely the Government's inability or unwillingness to combat jihadi terrorism.

It is a matter of time before it is suggested by this lobby that the Sangh Parivar is, in fact, the biggest progenitor of terror in India; that they are doing so with the aim of breeding mass insecurity in order to bamboozle terrified Hindus into voting for the BJP in the forthcoming polls! Evidence of 'Hindu terror' comprises only a few instances of alleged bomb-making by members of obscure groups, such as something called the Hindu Jan Jagran Manch. But that is hardly of consequence in the process of hyping this supposed phenomenon. The media has repeated ad nauseum that two Bajrang Dal activists got blown up while making bombs in Kanpur, deliberately overlooking the fact the persons had been expelled from the Dal 12 years ago and were probably involved in a conspiracy to settle scores with their tormentors in that organisation!

Had India not been a vibrant democracy and were Hinduism an intolerant faith, we would have witnessed many violent responses to jihadi terror. Most Hindus are unable to comprehend why groups like SIMI are going about massacring innocent civilians all over the country when they have no specific demand. Terrorist violence, whatever the cause, can never be condoned but in cases of foreign intervention (such as Iraq) or in the course of separatist movements, can at least be understood. But nobody can quite comprehend what SIMI and its cohorts want of the Indian people or the State.

Reams have been written about Muslim angst following the post-Godhra riots in Gujarat. But what about Hindu anger in response to the thousands of innocent people felled by jihadi bomb blasts over the last 15 years? Don't they have families that are battling for survival, orphans who have grown up bearing bloodthirsty rage against the killers of their parents or family? Doesn't it hurt their sense of justice when political parties rush to felicitate terrorists' families or join the chorus describing the Jamia Nagar encounter as fake and the December 13 Parliament attack a conspiracy by the Intelligence Bureau?

Is the average Indian so thick-skinned as to applaud Manmohan Singh when he says the first right to the country's scarce resources belongs not to the poor irrespective of caste and creed but only to Muslims? When anti-terror laws are diluted and vociferous demands for the lifting of the ban on SIMI reverberate through sections of the political class and the liberal-secular intelligentsia, should the victims of jihadi terror be expected to cower in fright? Isn't it then a miracle that vigilante groups aren't roaming the streets of our cities seeking revenge?

Those who equate imaginary Hindu terror with jihadi violence would do well to realise this odious comparison can only agitate people further, communalise the polity beyond redemption and unleash retribution on a scale not seen before.

The fact is that individual miscreants or petty bomb peddlers do not constitute anything like Hindu terror groups; they have no sympathy, at least yet, from the community. But stoked and insulted repeatedly, the tolerant and largely passive Hindu might just start justifying the actions of fringe groups. By nature, the Hindu can never be a terrorist. Secular-fundamentalists should not provoke him to a point where he seriously contemplates the option.Last para: Chandan Mitra need not worry that Hindus will act that way, because we're not christoislamaniacs. Whereas christoislamania can only convert the country through lies, coercion and terrorism, all we need to do is tell the truth about the terrorist ideologies to make them lose the sheep they've amassed.

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - ravish - 10-27-2008

Yes Huskyji- The Hindus have finally woken up . Read on:-

Quote

THE ARREST of two more people on Sunday for their alleged involvement in the Malegaon bomb blast of September 29 has brought the activities of a couple of little known Hindu radical organisations into sharp focus: the Rashtriya Jagran Manch and Abhinav Bharat.
The Maharashtra Anti Terrorist Squad (ATS) which is probing the blast, arrested Sameer Kulkarni from Bhopal and Sangram Singh from Indore, bringing the total number of arrests to seven. Both are office bearers of Abhinav Bharat.

ATS sources admitted that they had mistakenly named the âHindu Jagran Manchâ as being under their scanner. They had actually meant the Rashtriya Jagran Manch. Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur, the president of the Manch, has already been held for her alleged involvement in the blast. "Brochures we have collected indicate she is its president,â said an ATS source.

The ATS also raided Pragya's rented residence in Jabalpur on Sunday, but admitted to have found nothing incriminating.

Very little is known about either of these organisations as yet. The Rashtriya Jagran Manch (RJM) is said to have been formed after the July 3 communal riots in Indore this year in which eight people were killed. The Abhinav Bharat was floated by five disgruntled saffron workers after their expulsion from the RSS. It started functioning in Madhya Pradesh from May 2008.

The name 'Abhinav Bharat' was inspired by the Veer Savarkar run pre-Independence Abhinav Bharat Society, sources close to the organisation said. It has held a number of meetings in recent months and launched a concerted membership drive.

The group had also been named following an attack on a Christian family in Jabalpur on August 3. Pastor Sam Oomen and his family were badly beaten up by a mob allegedly led by a vice president of Abhinav Bharati.

Police were also searching for Ramchandra Kalsangra the brother of mobile seller Shivnarayan Singh Kalsangra, who is already under arrest - but failed to find him.

p.naveen@hindustantimes.com

THE ARREST of two more people on Sunday for their alleged in- volvement in the Malegaon bomb blast of September 29 has brought the activities of a couple of little known Hindu radical organisa- tions into sharp focus: the Rashtriya Jagran Manch and Ab- hinav Bharat. The Maharashtra Anti Terror- ist Squad (ATS) which is probing the blast, arrested Sameer Kulka- rni from Bhopal and Sangram Singh from Indore, bringing the total number of arrests to seven. Both are office bearers of Abhinav Bharat. ATS sources admitted that they had mistakenly named the âHindu Jagran Manchâ as being under their scanner. They had actually meant the Rashtriya Jagran Manch. Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur, the president of the Manch, has already been held for her alleged involvement in the blast. "Brochures we have collected indicate she is its president,â said an ATS source. The ATS also raided Pragya's rented residence in Jabalpur on Sunday, but ad- mitted to have found nothing incriminating. Very little is known about either of these organisations as yet. The Rashtriya Jagran Manch (RJM) is said to have been formed after the July 3 communal riots in Indore this year in which eight people were killed. The Abhinav Bharat was floated by five dis- gruntled saffron workers after their expulsion from the RSS. It started functioning in Mad- hya Pradesh from May 2008. The name 'Abhinav Bharat' was inspired by the Veer Savarkar run pre-Indepen- dence Abhinav Bharat Soci- ety, sources close to the organ- isation said. It has held a number of meetings in recent months and launched a con- certed membership drive. The group had also been named following an attack on a Christian family in Jabalpur on August 3. Pastor Sam Oomen and his family were badly beaten up by a mob al- legedly led by a vice president of Abhinav Bharati. Police were also searching for Ramchandra Kalsangra - the brother of mobile seller Shivnarayan Singh Kalsan- gra, who is already under ar- rest - but failed to find him. p.naveen@hindustantimes.com

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We look forward to your valuable comments on this first step of Hindu Jagaran

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - Guest - 10-28-2008

Thats what happen when Governmant fails to protect majority population and use all government machenery to protect terrorist and gives them first right in country and government resources, use media to insult majority population and their faith.
It is a slap on Congress Party, whenever these idiots comes to power they start Khalistan Movement, Bodo, JKLF, Maoist, WB Communist, ......

Some people only see Hindu exterimist but they close there eyes and mind for Muslim, Christian and communist exterism and daily assualt on common Hindus.

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - Husky - 10-28-2008

QUOTEYes Huskyji- The Hindus have finally woken up . Read on:-
Quote
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p.naveen@hindustantimes.com
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UnquoteLink to source document please. I don't web search unless I need to.

Christo-owned HT says one thing, and the accused another. Oh, who to believe? HT, which does have a tendency to lie through its teeth whenever it can, or people of whom we don't yet know what their lying habits are?

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/oct/25abvp.htm
via http://haindavakeralam.com/HkPage.aspx?PAGEID=7306&SKIN=B
QUOTECommunists and church are defaming us: ABVP

October 25, 2008 01:42 IST

Strongly protesting against two news channels for their reports about Akhil Bhartiya Vidyarthi Parishad's (ABVP) alleged involvement in the Malegaon and Modasa blasts, the BJP's student wing today termed it a "conspiracy of the Communists and the Church to defame it".
(Media wants to equate ABVP with SIMI, the students islamic mob of india)

Challenging the channels to prove reports that three persons, arrested by Maharashtra's Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) for Malegaon blast, had links with the ABVP, Madhya Bharat State Secretary Hitesh Shukla said they were only interested in dragging the student organisation's name in blast cases.

In a statement here, he said none of them was associated with ABVP and even ATS has said the same thing.

Shukla alleged that the relation of these channels with the Church was a known fact. They are the same people who, on the basis of alleged Naxal Arun Pareira's narco-analysis tests, had said that Naxals get financial help from ABVP, he said.

The ABVP leader said Maharashtra police had written to them clarifying that no such facts came to light during narco-test of Pareira.If the courts decide (not the Bannerjee kind), we will at last know they are guilty. Until then, can leave out the christomedia-type insinuations/assumptions on 'they must have done it'. Yeah?

We have a right to suspect islamoterrorists and christomilitants in various instances because they have a long and prestigious trackrecord of christoislami terrorism. And they are also famous for trying to palm off their handiwork onto others until they finally get caught.

But:
1. We don't yet know these people did it. Is the case over and closed yet - I thought they have to stand trial still, since the cops just picked them up? Else it's very prophetic of you to know beforehand that they are guilty.
2. I still don't know that these people aren't like Sandeep Pandey's hired goons impersonating Hindus to give actual Hindus a bad name
3. If they are not impersonators, I don't know that they did it for Hindu reasons at all.
In fact, is it known why they did it at all (speculations of christomedia is not necessary, want to hear the reasoning from the accused themselves, and only if they're not plants as in 2).

Rest of my views are still the same as in/still based on posts 3 to 5 above.

From your own post ravish (wherever you got it from):
The following is exactly the sort of speculation I can live without - the media either knows things for a fact or it doesn't. In the latter case, it should keep quiet. I never read tabloids precisely because I don't like gossip/junk:
QUOTEVery little is known about either of these organisations as yet. The Rashtriya Jagran Manch (RJM) is said to have been formed after the July 3 communal riots in Indore this year in which eight people were killed. The Abhinav Bharat was floated by five disgruntled saffron workers after their expulsion from the RSS. It started functioning in Madhya Pradesh from May 2008.
[...]
The group had also been named following an attack on a Christian family in Jabalpur on August 3. Pastor Sam Oomen and his family were badly beaten up by a mob allegedly led by a vice president of Abhinav Bharati.By the Gods, if allegations were enough to condemn and convict people, everyone would be publicly tomatoed and then in prison now. HT can spare me the drama.
These small time crooks - if their involvement is at all proven in a court of law - do not prove any Hindu terrorist cell.
Islamaniacs attack and carry their slogans and lovenotes professing jihad, releasing some message or a video threatening jihad either before or after. While christos also openly declare things like Nagaland-for-chwist or do their convert-or-die routine (same as islamis) and publish anti-Hindu pamphlets meant to incite Hindus so that the christos can go and whine to their western christian bosses for more money and more sympathy (christian 'persecution' sobstories get sympathy votes from the ignorant international audience).

This bit from ravish's post again: "The Abhinav Bharat was floated by five disgruntled saffron workers after their expulsion from the RSS. It started functioning in Madhya Pradesh from May 2008."
Actually that sounds more like what Chandan Mitra recently wrote in The Pioneer about that other case where the media started croaking about Hindooo Terrrorisssm:
QUOTE"The media has repeated ad nauseum that two Bajrang Dal activists got blown up while making bombs in Kanpur, deliberately overlooking the fact the persons had been expelled from the Dal 12 years ago and were probably involved in a conspiracy to settle scores with their tormentors in that organisation!"


Therefore, ravish, I suggest you wait before making grand declarations like these:
QUOTEthis first step of Hindu JagaranYou already know they did it, do ya?
QUOTEThe Hindus have finally woken upSo you're saying that now all Hindus have a hand in the crime?????? Actually, you could only be referring to yourself, I think, for making such a ridiculous statement in the first place (and even for contemplating it).
Where did the psecular howls of "terrorism has nooooo religion" and "noooo one of the minority is supporting the terrorists" go? Or are those arguments only to be used when christoislamaniacs commit their crimes for specifically gawdly reasons and the rest of their populace need to be exhonerated for wishing their more active members success?

Is this all the evidence the police have? (From ravish's post):
QUOTEPolice were also searching for Ramchandra Kalsangra the brother of mobile seller Shivnarayan Singh Kalsangra, who is already under arrest - but failed to find him.So the dude ran away for being the brother of a mobile salesman. So what? Remember: only muslims have first claim on resources like laws (such as being considered innocent until proven guilty). Even when they're not quite so innocent. That's why MMS woke up from his beauty sleep to defend the islamoterrorist - whom the Australians still suspect for evidence that was sadly inadmissable in court and who was expelled without a returning visa - whose cousin was involved in that terrorist plot in the UK. The islamoterrorist who was then in Australia had been in contact with his cousin, and the Oz police & prosecution certainly seemed to think it was more than mere conversations involving trading halaal recipes.

More astounding evidence of guilt (is there something the media is not telling us):
QUOTEATS sources admitted that they had mistakenly named the âHindu Jagran Manchâ as being under their scanner. They had actually meant the Rashtriya Jagran Manch. Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur, the president of the Manch, has already been held for her alleged involvement in the blast. "Brochures we have collected indicate she is its president,â said an ATS source.
(So being the president of an org that is not yet even proven to be of a terrorist nature is now a crime too...)

The ATS also raided Pragya's rented residence in Jabalpur on Sunday, but admitted to have found nothing incriminating.That last appears to be the greatest bit of evidence yet. That only goes to show how it is her *granny's* apartment which will be found to contain all the oozies and ak47s and explosive thingamajigs. Quick, get the granny before it snails away.

From the little I understood of the kind of convoluted stories these newspapers spin in order to make something sensational out of it, Sadhvi Pragya's motorcycle was involved. Hence Sadhvi was suspected and arrested. And they also found that she was the president of a group called Rashtriya Jagran Manch. Amazing.

Example of brilliant reporting of IE on Oct 24, 2008:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/malegaon...-others/377519/
QUOTEMalegaon blasts: Murder charges on sadhvi, 2 others
Public Prosecutor Ajay Mishra said the crime committed by the three accused was a âserious offenceâ and they were booked under charges of murder, attempt to murder and voluntarily causing grievous hurt under IPC Sections 302, 307 and 326 respectively.

Mishra said the motorcyle used in the Malegaon blasts on September 29 in which five persons were killed belonged to the Sadhvi. Besides having links with the BJP's student wing ABVP, she is suspected to be associated with the Indore-based radical Hindu Jagran Manch (HJM) accused of involvement in the blasts in Malegaon as well as in Modasa in Gujarat in which one person was killed. The right-wing outfit has denied the charge.Look how they're now already dubbed 'right-wing outfit', 'radical' etc. by the same media
- which hasn't even giving us any soundbites/excerpts of their alleged radicalness such as exhortations to wage global - or at least just national - jihad
- and even though the arrested persons have not even been convicted of any terrorism yet.
It ain't a terrorist organisation until it is shown to have *committed* terrorism: Indian Express is shooting itself in the foot by racing to predecided conclusions before the verdict is out.
Next they can connect the creche Sadhvi was sent to when she was a 1 year old, and any dance academy she may have belonged to. (You know, because dancers dance by day and terrorista by night.)

And this Ajay Mishra is obviously not good at accuracy - something which prosecutors *ought* to be - as he throws accusations about one 'Hindu Jagran Manch' when even ravish's purported HT source was able to find out it was something called Rashtriya Jagran Manch that Sadhvi belonged to. I'm being harsh, perhaps it was only that Mishra couldn't read the script properly.

And look how her motorbike was involved, just as I had recollected (the sum total of their evidence against her apparently). Oh Wow. That's a really good plan: commit a crime with your bike to transport you there, and then leave it there for the police to find. Outside of islamism - where people aren't all too bright (there were some really comical cases of attempted islamoterrorism in Europe) - no one else would do that. Why didn't she just leave a picture and voice recording too, to make extra sure: just in case low-grade prosecutors like Anil Mishra couldn't manage to connect the bike with the crime.

Ravish, I've asked you once to provide supporting evidence for your opinions. Will have to qualify that, I see: it means that in this case, instead of pasting news reports containing no more than allegations, you post press releases of actual verdicts by the (non-Bannerjee-type) courts/representatives. Why am I so partial to the Hindu side in asking this?
I am not the kind of loser 'Hindu' who instantly accepts that 'The Hindoos did it' merely because christomedia say it. And I'm also not the sort of psecular Hindu who immediately thinks christoislamaniacs couldn't have done terrorist acts (in spite of their history of similar crimes) because they're the 'loving, peaceful' minority.
Everyone else is hyper-biased in favour of their own kind (even when they have no cause to be), why should Hindus be the only ones to be so psecular as to defend the indefensibles (at times, doing so even after these have been tried and convicted, like Afzal), while being the first to shout down our own before they've even been shown to be guilty.

QUOTERavish: "We look forward to your valuable comment"Do you always address yourself with the Royal We, or is it that you wanted me to give you special consideration for any multiple personality disorder you may be suffering from? <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' />

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - ravish - 10-28-2008

Mr Husky,

The people of Maharastra are overwhelmingly Hindu and the Government presently running the State administration comprises of MLAs who are overwhelmingly Hindu. It is this Government that has fed your so called biased Christian Press. The allegations have not been invented by the media but going by your argument by a group of Hindus who have been elected to the State legislature.

There is no point in over reacting . As Shri Manohar Joshi has stated the inaction of the Government in controlling the Islamic terrorists have inevitably brought in frustration amongst members of the Hindu community. So the developments leading to Malegaon are a natural reaction to the past events. There is nothing to be agitated on this normal development.

Unfortunately, these developments will ultimately lead to sectarian violence and will endanger the unitary character of this Nation. The present movement of allowing Bal Thakrey and his followers a free hand in bashing up the north Indians is a clear sign in this direction. A stage will soon come when Islamic terrorism, Hindu counter terrorism and regional extremism will bring weaken the fibre of this nation.

Do not get carried away by your strong Hindu sentiments . Analyse the situation and give a solution , provided you are not a born agitationist with strong RSS background. In that case, you will be perhaps mentally so conditioned that you will not be able to comprehend the emerging situation in a wider canvas.

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - Husky - 10-28-2008

Now why insult the RSS and accuse them of harbouring me?
QUOTEravish: provided you are not ... with strong RSS background.And the above quoteblock was yet another example of the sort of baseless suspicions-converted-to-accusations hurled by ravish, better known as the Apologist For Ravishing.

That's all you ever do isn't it, ravish: say things you can't back up with facts and blame Hindus without evidence? One trick pony. You're no fun. And you've no facts either. In short: you're of no use at all. I over-estimated your market-value on Ebay.

As I recall, you still haven't proven that the nun was raped (and by Hindus), though you had twice declared it as if it were a fact only yesterday. Yet you're still posting.
There's a memetic virus/terrorist ideology quite famous for
1. making accusations without giving any evidence, and
2. continuing all subsequent dialogues by assuming that accusation as if it were a fact and building further hysteria on top of it.
The very way you post and 'discuss' gives you away, telling me in no uncertain terms that you subscribe to that ideology.

QUOTEDo not get carried away by your strong Hindu sentiments.Cute.
But I'm not the one in danger here. So, I strongly advise you not to get carried away by your inability to put 2 and 2 together (nor to be spirited off by your imaginary friends - you know, the ones you still used to allude to not too long ago. <- Hey, I got it: that's why you keep referring to yourself as "We"! Why didn't I see it before...)

QUOTEyou will be perhaps mentally so conditioned that you will not be able to comprehend the emerging situation in a wider canvas.Don't worry, I am not as clueless as you doubtless look. So you can stop looking in the mirror and judging everyone else by your standards. It's very condescending.

KKKomrade ravish,
Your unsupported statements and accusations are wasted here. I suggest you go back to your own kind at countercurrents.org or sacw or wherever it is you have emerged from. You'll be happier there, among your own. <= You can trust me on this, as I'm not one of your imaginary friends (being neither imaginary nor your friend).

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - Husky - 10-29-2008

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/
QUOTEKKKaangress frames Hindus in bogus "terror" case
After having failed miserably to combat the real terrorists, namely the Jihadis, the Christist evangelicals and the Maovadis - i.e. if there ever was a sincere desire to deter those forces, what to speak of visible effort on the ground to do so - the diabolical UPA/ KKKaangress Vatican puppet regime has now resorted to manufacturing "Hindu terrorists".

Not a single Jihadi butcher has ever been brought to justice by the emasculated Indian authorities for all the countless acts of terror over the decades.
Then, how and why does the psec establishment move with such alacrity to "apprehend" alleged "Hindu militants"? What kind of a bombing was this with *zero* casualties? Is it not indicative of a deep "SECULAR" conspiracy that Jihadi bombings actually cause hundreds of Hindu casualties, whereas alleged Hindu bombings harm NOBODY?

To me, it is a transparent conspiracy by "SECULARISTS" to defame Hindu nationalism and equate 3M terrorists with "Hindu terrorists".

Such entities, of course, exist only in the fertile imagination of KKKaangress lunatic windbags like Veerappa Moily, Durjan/Diggy Singh.
But the chimerical creature of "Hindu terrorism" is easily manufactured because:

1) The "government" is currently controlled by the psecs, hence people can be bought, beaten to pulp or manipulated otherwise to testify to whatever the psecs desire.

2) The tabloid media (= mainstream Indian media), particularly the christist electronic media houses - NDTV, Star News, CNN-IBN etc. are willing and eager to propagate bogus conspiracy theories equating Hindu reaction to actual Mullah/Missionary/Marxist terrorism.

3) The "Hindu right wing" BJP is quick to dissociate itself from nationalist organisations at the mere mention of such false "secularist" propaganda. It has reportedly disowned the people being persecuted by the KKKaangress thugs as "Hindu militants"

4) The Hindu nationalist organisations are somewhat inadequate in terms of killer instinct in aggressively espousing their own cause and inflicting commensurate damage on the enemy. They could possibly learn a thing or two from the Zionists of Israel.

The confusion in the "Hindu fundamentalist" BJP is particularly hard to comprehend. When Lallu/Mulayam/Paswan and other such assorted traitors can vocally support Jihadi terror group SIMI and Durjan Singh can expend taxpayer money to fund legal defense of proven Jihadi terrorists - why is the BJP distancing itself from Hindu nationalists wrongfully accused of "terror"?

This Tacit approval of "secularist" propaganda implies a wilful and uncontested surrender to the 3M thugs and the balkanisation of India.

Posted by karyakarta92 at 10/25/2008 01:40:00 PM 0 comments
Labels: dhimmitude, jihad, Kaangress, secular progressive, UPA 
The title link of the above goes to:
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Ex-Armymen_held_in_Malegaon_blast_probe/articleshow/3641179.cms
Apparently, blaming imaginary Hindu terrorism is not enough now, they must drag in retired army folks as well:
QUOTEEx-Armymen held in Malegaon blast probe
26 Oct 2008, 0012 hrs IST, Mateen Hafeez, TNN

MUMBAI: After the arrest of a once-fiesty sadhvi with links to saffron groups, the Malegaon bomb blast case has taken another serious turn with
the possible involvement of ex-Armymen, one a retired major. ( Watch )

Mumbai's anti-terrorism squad (ATS), which is investigating the blast that killed six people ahead of Id, detained three people, including an ex-Army officer and a retired jawan on Saturday. Police are trying to ascertain whether these men helped the terrorists who set off a motorcycle bomb in the communally-sensitive textile town.

The ATS is investigating the source of RDX used in the blast and how the accused acquired expertise to execute the blasts, an officer said. "It is not easy for a layman to procure RDX and use it to cause an explosion. One needs some training and it is being investigated," he added.

ATS senior officers, however, were tightlipped-about the detention. No information was available on the third person.

The ATS on Thursday arrested three suspects, including sadhvi Prayga Singh Thakur (38), a former national executive secretary of Akhil Bharatya Vidyarthi Parishad (ABVP), her associates Shamlal Bhavar Sahu (42) and Shiv Narayan Singh (36). They were accused of plotting as well as planting the bomb at Bhikku Chowk in central Malegaon, metres away from a local police station.

Nearly 90 people were injured in the September 29 bomb blast outside an office of SIMI, whose activists are alleged to be involved in the serial terrorist blasts in Jaipur, Ahmedabad and Delhi.

An ATS team is camping in Pune and another has left for Jabalpur and other cities in Madhya Pradesh to trace suspects whose names have cropped up in interrogation. Sources said that one of the retired soldiers had met Pragya Singh during a religious lecture. He had been impressed by her speech.

"One of the Armymen was posted in the north-east for almost eight years before his retirement. They have been brought to Mumbai and are being questioned. We want to find out whether they provided training to the prime accused for operating firearms and handling explosives," an officer said. The bomb that went off in Malegaon contained RDX and ammonium nitrate.

According to ATS chief Hemant Karkare, the motorcycle in which the bomb was planted, has been traced to Thakur. Pragya, who has a postgraduate history degree from a Bhind college, was a member of Durga Vahini, the women's wing of Vishwa Hindu Parishad. She had delivered "religious lectures" for more than seven years, said sources.
('Religious Lectures'! Did everyone get that? She ought to be incarcerated! Everyone knows Hindu religious lectures advocate JiiiihaaaaddddÂ <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='dry.gif' /> )
Perhaps I may believe all this nonsense when the courts pronounce a sentence. In the meantime, the media should avoid choking on its own slanderous venom - I write this with real concern for its (mental) health.

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - Husky - 10-29-2008

Must read (2nd quoteblock below)

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/10/tar...nto-corner.html
QUOTEtarun vijay: Pushing Hindus into a corner
oct 28th, 2008

i had been meaning to write something along these lines: the shrinking space for hindus. i am glad tarun did it. i have been swamped with other stuff, so no writing these days.

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http://www.rediff.com///news/2008/oct/27tarun.htmTarun Vijay's article at that rediff link. Good to read everything, not just my silly highlighting
QUOTEPushing Hindus into a corner
Tarun Vijay
October 27, 2008

One Diwali the highly revered monk of Hindus, Swami Jayendra Saraswati, was arrested while performing puja. The secular world celebrated it as a victory of law and constitutional propriety. When nothing was proved, all the chargesheets turned bunkum, the Supreme Court gave a verdict favouring the swami's release on bail, but no one retracted the strong, often abusive words used for the Hindu monk. It was met with silence as if nothing important had happened.

One Krishna Janmashtami night, another ochre-robed reformist monk, Swami Lakshmanananda, was murdered along with an aged Hindu nun, Ma Bhaktimoyee, in his ashram. Secularists tried to direct and guide the entire investigation till the arrested murderers confessed that swami's work among tribals made prosylitisation difficult and hence they took the violent way.

The media linked the violence post-Lakshmanananda's murder to various Hindu organisations and completely ignored the brutal killing of the sanyasi and the lady monk.

This Diwali, Hindus were labelled as 'terrorists'.

There is a university in Delhi which gets a large amount of Saudi grants, and which thought it appropriate to honour a Muslim painter whose nudes of Hindu gods and goddesses and Mother India were opposed by Hindus, with a Doctor of Philosophy degree, honoris causa. The same university's vice chancellor, in a display of public affection for those students arrested for treason by a Congress government, declared that he will fund their 'struggle' as they are his 'children' and they would be considered innocent till proved guilty.

The secular world applauded his decision as bold and highly moral.

A Hindu sadhvi has been arrested for her alleged involvement in the Malegaon blasts. But not a single Hindu organisation came out in her support saying she remains a member of the global Hindu fraternity and would be considered innocent till proved guilty and hence shall provide all the financial assistance to her.

I was thinking, suppose I start a 'support Pragya fund' how any Hindu saints and ashrams and mutts and leaders would come out in support? Doesn't she deserve help and support till proved innocent?

Unlike the sweet little students of the university's vice chancellor, who were arrested from the area of the Batla House encounter, Pragya was in Surat, giving a religious discourse when the Malegaon blasts occurred in September. Her bike had been sold years before. No one said the blasts were organised to make Hindu law applicable or turn the nation into a Hindu state. No one had quoted Hindu scriptures to justify what would be termed as a ghastly act, inhuman and un-Hindu.

Yet, there was a virtual celebration in the so-called secular camp, they were over-joyous as if they have reached the moon. Got it, they said, what we were saying for years! The usual suspects were on our TV screens, delightedly giving interviews and the media lapped up crispy descriptions like Hindu terror, Hindu bomb, Saffron terrorism. When they quote the Quran, seculars cry don't label them Islamic terrorists, but Hindus being Hindus must be termed as Hindu terrorists to keep a 'balance'. So those who insult the memory of a martyred police officer show their glee over having succeeded in bringing the term 'Hindu terrorism' in vogue. What greater shield could an Islamic terrorist have wished for!

They were itching for this day ï¿½ and they have got it.

Last year too the 2006 Malegaon blasts were blamed on Hindus. Later the agencies proved they were done by SIMI. This year, Union ministers were demanding the ban on SIMI be lifted in spite of truckloads of evidence of the organisation's involvement in deadly blasts and waging war against the State, the most heinous crime in any part of the world. And the investigations, gathering of proof and the hard, difficult investigation, were done by government agencies.

The same honourable members of the Union cabinet demanded banning Hindu organisations, in spite of having no evidence of their involvement in violent activities or working against the Indian State. Those who ignore the Supreme Court's verdict on a terrorist who was accused waging war against the State, demand that Hindu organisations be banned for their patriotism. Once they drove out the tricolour folks from the Kashmir Valley, now they assassinate their morale in the rest of the country.

For the sake of Muslim vote-bank, SIMI had to be helped and Hindu organisations needed to be shown as being involved in anti-national activities. The balancing had to be achieved, like the U C Banerjee Commission. Much before the honourable commission could start work on Godhra, leaders were declaring during the Bihar election campaign -- many of whom loved to be seen with an Osama look-alike -- that the Godhra train inferno was a creation of Hindus so that they could get a chance to pounce on Muslims.

So much for their secular credentials!

This time, too, they had tremendous amount of pressure to nurse their vote-banks. Elections are right here, campaigning has begun, chances look very bleak seeing the public mood, and voters seem already restless with high prices, growing inflation and an insecure atmosphere. Hence a communal divide would help. If such considerations can be credited as having instigated the 'creation' of a Hindu or 'Saffron' terrorism, would it be a far-fetched conclusion?

The intelligent people who could create a Bhindranwale, or a Raj Thackeray, to 'defeat' one or the other political opponent, could also be trusted to repeat the feat elsewhere.

So, this time, the police version is not to be distrusted or questioned. The first suspicion about police action is reserved for the Batla House fraternity. Hindu monks do not deserve it.

The term 'Hindu terrorism' looks so attractive to secularists. Proof, evidence, and final acquittal may take year. But the articles, front page edits, condemnations, further isolation, and cornering of the saffron side, would help someone. That's enough for today.

That this way may turn more dangerous tomorrow is not understood by the perpetrators of the secular pogrom of words against the Hindu Right. Every nation has a soul and a colour. India's soul is Hindu civilisation and the colour is saffron. Samuel Huntington described America as a Latin Christian nation, and it doesn't make her any less to give other communities second-class citizenship.

It may be the first time in its four hundred years of democratic history that a Black might be sworn in as President, who would take oath on the Bible. Who would demand that it's an unhealthy tradition, as non-Christians also built America? Traditions, colours and the inner core are always sacred and nations preserve them at all costs. If the same elements are humiliated and turned into icons of shame, nothing remains except a dead, meaningless smoke of rootless words.

India's Hinduness is that essential element to define this nation. We can't be explained through Saudis, Marx or Bethlehem. Or through Arabic or Latin or Persian. India is explained by the Ganga, Krishna, Ram and Gandhi. By Kumbh Mela, Sanskrit chanting, lighting of the lamp, Namaste, the Vedas, Guru Nanak's teachings, Guru Gobind Singh's valour, Buddha's global message of peace and compassion and Mahavir's ahimsa. India is deciphered by Dhammapad, the Gita, the Guru Granth Sahib and a divine love that saw the emergence of Radha and Meera. That fired the imaginations of doyens like Tagore and Vivekananda. Together they make a mutually supportive group of Indian streams of faith that welcomed and accommodated without murmur all other ways of worship brought here through various means.

Every single persecuted community in the world found a respectable space here, while they were brutalised, uprooted, converted and 'museum-ised' in other countries. The legacy of tolerance and plurality is the legacy of the Hindus and all those faiths born and flowered here. It made Taj Mahal possible and Jesus adored by a non-Christian majority. You deny them this place of honour, make them shrink in a defensive shell, and you lose India.

For just a comeback to power? And how!

Ram Sethu becomes a target of destruction, Ram is denied, Ram's history linked with the bridge is mocked at, Sita's persona is caricaturized in public, the shrinking Hindu population and their conversion become victory signposts of the secularists, Hindus driven out of Kashmir are deleted from all lists of secular concern, Hindu temples are taken over by the atheist State and their revenue used on non-Hindu areas, while not a single non-Hindu place of worship is taken over or 'managed' on similar grounds by the governors! More than sixty thousand Hindus have been killed by terrorists in various actions during the last three decades, five lakh have been uprooted and turned refugees, but no one shares their grief or respects their courage, but terms them terrorist in a matter of 24 hours, that too relying on media hype and an election platform?
(One thing: Hindu temples are not taken over by the 'atheist' State. UPA=christogovt, DMK = at the very least christoconditioned.)

After centuries Hindus got freedom that should have meant a free space for them to flower their culture, language and traditions. After all, the invaders came to attack and loot them and raze their temples. Wasn't it a matter of logical right that they should have been honoured for exemplary resistance and resilience and showing an extraordinary tolerance towards all those communities whose leaders had been in the forefront to deprive them of basic human rights? But instead, the victims were portrayed as aggressors and humiliated for their colour and faith. What has changed since Ghauris and Ghaznavis and the inquisitionist Portuguese left?

They killed us but never portrayed Hindus as terrorists. This secular dispensation is celebrating Diwali with that label gifted to Hindus. It will not remain unanswered. Hindus as a mainline faith never never never believed in any kind of cowardice that's the hallmark of terrorism we see today. Killing innocents, shooting at fellow citizens and the dreaded midnight knocks just for the reason they wear a different faith.

If that was the case, the way Islamists quote from religious scriptures and declare their religious intentions while committing ghastly acts of violence, how much ever disapproved of by their co- religionists living and enjoying democratic freedoms, Hindus too would have shown the same streaks immediately after their women were gang-raped and kids murdered in Kashmir. There was no revenge in the rest of the country. Not a single Hindu soul would ever justify any act of terrorism ever (and please don't refer to exceptions to corner Hindus, see the principal stream). Born reformists, they would revolt if anyone did that.

But I am afraid the secular hate-mongers are pushing Hindus into a difficult corner without a space to be heard. Not a single 'mainline' newspaper publishes their views, though any number of assaults on them are a matter of routine. This is creating a grave situation and it's a warning signal that can be ignored only at the peril of the nation's great legacy of plurality.

Tarun Vijay is a director of the Dr Syama Prasad Mookerjee Research FoundationHindus will have their revenge - the most complete revenge of all: every single christoislamaniac in India will be inducted into humanity, they will opt to free themselves from the evil christoislamism.
In fact, we may get most of them back into all-natural traditions, many back into Dharmic traditions.

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - Husky - 11-02-2008

1. http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx...eID=7422&SKIN=B
QUOTESadhvi's terror link: Narco test gives her clean chit
01/11/2008 06:03:21Â

MUMBAI: The brain mapping test conducted on Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur, an accused in the latest Malegaon blast, at the state forensic lab showed that she was not lying during the forensic tests, said sources.

More at
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Narco_test_gives_Sadhvi_clean_chit/articleshow/3660534.cms

2. A good read
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HkPage.aspx...EID=7429&SKIN=B
QUOTESecular way of fighting terror
01/11/2008 14:49:03Â
By Amithab Tripathi

Last Friday was an historic day for the politics of secularism in India when this lobby first time got ammunition in their hands to fire with to their adversaries. Was it some coincidence or some deliberate attempt that when share market was performing really poor and besides all the assurances from finance minister, Prime Minister and governor of RBI collapse of share market was beyond control. When small investors were in panic and people in India were all set to feel cursed at the holy festival of Diwali suddenly Maharashtra ATSÂ came out with some startling revelations about the Malegaon blast which happened on 29th of September 2008 in Muslim dominated areas in the month of Ramadan. Maharashtra ATS also claimed that they have also cracked the conspiracy of Modasa blast in Gujrat which happened at the same date. However Gujrat police which is investigating this case has yet to come out with some conclusions. Maharashtra ATS arrested three persons along with Sadhvi or lady sage in connection to Malegaon blast. Maharashtra police produced all three accused before a court in Nasik and they were send to police custody for 3rd of November. This is first time in the history of terrorism in India when some Hindus have been arrested in connection to any blast. But what is more important thing is that Maharsahtra ATS has not yet build case against them around terrorist activities and they have been remanded under IPC acts. It is first important thing which have to be taken into consideration before jumping to any conclusion. After this development what is more shocking is the propaganda war which is going on some TV news channels owned by some Congress people or close to president of this party.

Moments after arrests were made in Malegaon blast one emerging news channel owned by influential Congress leader started debating Islamic terrorism vs. Hindu terrorism. After this initiative other news channels followed the same. For two to three days lot of developments took place and it was tried from Congress and its allies to stamp Sangah Parivar along with BJP as perpetrator and protector of Hindu terrorism which is flourishing with organized network. The surprising thing was not the arrest of Hindus forÂ Malegaon blasts what disturbs people the culmination of propaganda for Hindu terrorism to balance Islamic terrorism.

India is the worst sufferer of terrorism after Israel and it is facing terrorism for last 20odd years but in two decades terrorism has taken different shapes. First it witnessed terrorism from Kashmir valley when more than 3 lakh Hindus were driven out from valley with active support of Pakistan and ISI and this cross border terrorism and proxy war took ugly face when intelligence agency of Pakistan infiltrated in India with active support of some secularist political parties to wage a propaganda war of Jihad between gullible and vulnerable Muslims. Before 2006 terrorism in India was always defined as cross border terrorism and term Islamic terrorism was not in use because Indian Muslims were not the perpetrators of these ghastly acts as they were only protectors and supporters of terrorism with providing logistical supports to terrorist organizations based in Pakistan as LET, JAM.Â Even Before world witnessed 9\11 in America and terrorism was defined as Islamic terrorism, India was the worst victim of terrorism as its temples and parliaments have been targeted.

Incident of 9\11 was an eye-opener for everyone as it given new dimensions to definition to terrorism and aspirations to radical Islam. Radical Islam converted itself into a mass movement from terrorism and all the separatist and local Muslim militant movements synchronized themselves into one broad mass movement with a goal to impose shariyat rule on the whole world with Islamic superiority.

India also witnessed this change and in last four years India has also tasted the home grown Islamic terrorism with a goal to achieve what they have lost or in other words to convert India from its Hindu majority status to Islamic state. It has been stated clearly by fundamentalist and terrorist Islamic organization SIMI in its constitution. Before 9\11 when Indian people were not exposed to Islamic nature of terrorism most of the people were of the view that Kashmir insurgency is localized problem and rest of India is free from radical Islam but radical Islamic forces were building their infrastructure with help of secularist political parties. When some Hindu organizations warned people to this phenomenon these organizations itself were branded as equal radical and fundamentalist.

In 2006 when Mumbai local train system was targeted by terrorists and it was beyond doubt to security and intelligence agencies that who are behind this terrorist act several Muslim organizations came out open first time with a theory of atrocity on Muslims in the name of investigation. Just after few days of this incident Islamic seminary with few Muslim organizations organized a anti terrorist organization in parliament annexie and representative of Indian government participated in that seminar which got assurance from government that dealing with terrorism Muslim sentiments will be considered and all efforts will be taken to insure that in the name of terrorism no community should be singled out. After this development Islamic organizations, seminaries and Muslim opinion makers started building pressure on government as well as security and intelligence agencies to investigate every terrorist incident in the way that concept of secularism and balance will be maintained. As former IB personnel and counter terrorist expert B Raman has penned down in one of his articles how he was told by some Muslim IPS officers after attacks on some Muslim places in India that it is not possible for any Islamic organization to target Azmer Sharif or Mecca Masjid. B Raman wrote this article before Maharashtra police arrested Hindu lady sage in connection to Malegaon blast. This article proved that Muslim officers in bureaucracy are aware of the nature of blasts to distinguish between Hindu and Muslim assailants. In last few years after every attack Muslim society came out with theory of conspiracy and atrocity on Muslims and condemned these terrorist attacks with some if and buts in apologetic manner.

Government succumbs to this pressure and eying the elections in some states as well as parliamentary elections it was important for ruling coalition to win back the confidence of minority community and show them how concern they are for their grievances. In this entire episode unfortunate thing is how government with some of its allies has plotted for comparative perception of Hindu terrorism vs. Islamic terrorism. Even government and its agencies are aware of the fact that radical Islam is the problem and it could not be fought with comparative perception of Hindu terrorism. If some Hindus has taken arms in their hands they should be dealt with legal procedure and nobody is going to give excuse for them as Islamic apologists given all the time when any Islamic terrorist was arrested in connection to blast.Â But the most important question is if this is the way of fighting radical Islam then future of India is really dark.

For the time being secularist forces and some political parties are very happy to see that any Hindu has been arrested in connection to blast but question still remained unanswered that does Hindu terrorism exist and fighting to this comparative perception is going to solve the problem of radical Islam.

Radical Islam is a mass movement which has its aspirations, organization and functioning style. Any mass movement has some strata to work with .when mass movement starts it pick some section of dissatisfied people and with propaganda make their mind according to ideology of mass movement. With help of propaganda movement get able to create chaos in society and puts pressure on state and system to come on negotiating table to recognize their existence and in this process this movement infiltrate in system with aspiration to take over state. When movement is able to take over state it works on to propagate its ideology beyond the boundaries of state and becomes ambitious to encroach some other parts of the world. In last century we have witnessed few mass movements in the name of fascism, Nazism and Communism and now this century is facing the danger of radical Islam. Radical Islam has entered in second phase of mass movement where it has picked dissatisfied people from across the world and able to indoctrinate them with propaganda of atrocity on Muslims. When America was attacked on 9\11 radical Islam has a state in its hands also but in few years it is running with ideology not with command centre and this is more dangerous trend. Every nation in this world which has substantial amount of population of Muslim is vulnerable to this mass movement of radical Islam. South Asia in general and India in particular is the most vulnerable to this threat.

Few years back our political parties and security experts were proud to declare that no Indian Muslim has taken part in global Jihad but in last few years we have witnessed evolution of radical Islamic movement to our soil with the same aspirations as other global Jihadi forces has but our response to this threat is more different from others. On the one hand America and Europe handled this problem with ideological level and defined this problem and put radical Islamic elements on notice on the other hand Indian way of fighting terror is very much secular. Indian government, secularist forces, leftist-liberal and Media concentrated more on comparative perception of a ghost of Hindu terrorism vs. Islamic terrorism to balance this war within boundaries of concept of their definition of secularism. It is really surprising that no other country other than India followed this path of counter terrorism and America never thought of comparative perception of Christian terrorism to balance Islamic terrorism and Israel never went for Jewish terrorism to balance Islamic terrorism but out policy makers are following a path which ultimately will culminate in communal polarization of society.

Some political parties in India and their allies in media tried to create impression everywhere that Hindutva organizations in India has a systematic and organized terror network but investigating the Malegaon blasts Maharashta ATS is unable to find any such network.Â During the investigation of Malegaon blasts investigating agencies seems too much interest to show the people that Hindu terror network exist and in this process they leak some selective information to media as whom they have questioned, how many Hindutva organizations are under scanner but till date any substantial facts have not come out. It raises some serious questions for political parties in India who in the name of secularism compromising the security of nation with misguiding people about root cause of terror. Even any naÃ¯ve today will not be going to believe that cracking down Hindutva organizations is the solution of radical Islam.

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - Bodhi - 11-02-2008

Karachi, Kansas, and Kurukshetra
Sandhya Jain

02 Nov 2008

Whether or not she deserved the sudden infamy thrust upon her, there is no doubt that the hitherto unknown Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur has split the BJP into those who seek validation from Karachi and Kansas, and those who seek legitimacy at Kurukshetra.

Once BJP president Rajnath Singh decided to brush aside the waffling of Venkaiah Naidu and Ravi Shankar Prasad, and take up cudgels on behalf of the beleaguered Sadhvi and her alleged co-conspirators in the Malegaon blasts, matters should have been allowed to rest until the government actually came out with credible evidence against the feisty sanyasin.

Mr. Rajnath Singh, who supported the Hindu agitation over land for Amarnath pilgrims, would have been aware that Sadhvi Pragya had shown impressive leadership at the time. She visited Jammu to attend the shanti sabha of the movementâs victims, offered solace to the families, and inspired the agitators to carry on the just struggle, as exhorted by Sri Krishna in the battlefield of Kurukshetra. Amarnath was then the contemporary Kurukshetra of the Hindu Samaj, which is why young men from Punjab, Himachal, Haryana, and other places spontaneously rushed to Jammu, and the rest is historyâ¦

Mr. Singh, who was doubtless besieged by the Sadhviâs admirers and colleagues, his own BJP and Parivar colleagues, and gauged Hindu sentiment in the matter of her arrest and villification via the media, rightly noted that after the sensation created by the arrest subsided, nothing emerged to substantiate the allegations. Hindus were enraged when the Maharashtra police declared its intention to subject the sanyasin to a narco-test - a modern-day medical voodoo masquerading as science â and it is shameful that the courts permitted the humiliation of a sanyasin. This âscienceâ is not so speedily accessed for all accused of jihad against the Indian state and people.

Nor was narco-analysis done of the nun who alleged rape in Kandhamal following the premeditated murder of Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati on Janmasthami (23 August). This is despite the fact that the lady is refusing to return to the State to identify her alleged culprits, but is freely addressing press conferences and issuing heavy duty statements against the State Police, which is hardly consistent with the mental profile of a supposedly traumatized person.

Hence the BJP president was justified in charging that âan Arushi-like caseâ was being cooked up around Sadhvi Pragya. With no meaningful corroborative evidence, the Maharashtra Policeâs decision to rush for a narco-test of the sanyasin â in stark contrast to its pussy-footing with Raj Thackeray â is proof that there is no real evidence to act upon!

And now, to the eternal shame of the Mumbai Police, Sadhvi Pragyaâs brain mapping test has reportedly shown that she was not lying during the forensic tests. Despite this, Police reportedly plans to subject her to further forensic tests, and it will be in the fitness of things if the BJP approaches the Supreme Court for the defamation of the Sadhvi and her harassment by the abuse of State power. The suit should be against the Maharashtra Government which has unleashed the most ugly form of tyranny against the Hindu community with this act of political vendetta, which is clearly aimed at harnessing the minority vote for the forthcoming Assembly elections in some States, as well as the national elections looming next year.

Sadhvi Pragya has been a committed Hindu all her young life, joining the Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad and later the Durga Vahini, before answering a call to the saffron robe. Arrested now for allegedly plotting the 29 September bomb blast in the textile town of Malegaon (Maharashtra), which killed six people, she evokes comparisons with Samarth Ramdas who inspired Chhatrapati Shivaji to challenge the tyranny of Aurangzeb. It is the dharma of the sadhu (or sadhvi) to rally the king and the society to rise in the defence of Dharma; and the equation of Dharma with Adharma, of Justice with Crime, of Defence with Offense, is the fruit of Nehruvian Indiaâs perverse adherence to a non-Dharma called Secularism.

The Nehruvian Congress party, which dominates the coalition governments in New Delhi and Mumbai, and which has always sweated profusely at the sound of the word Savarkar, has also not lost time in trying to destroy the surviving legacy of those heroic brothers. Thus Sameer Kulkarni, a printing press employee in Bhopal, has been arrested in the same case â and the most damning evidence against him is that he happens to be the chief promoter of Abhinav Bharat, a radical Hindu organisation (sic), founded by Veer Savarkar in 1893! Dissolved in the 1950s, it was revived two years ago by the scions of the Godse-Savarkar families (kudos to them).

The âknow-howâ and RDX for the blasts â areas outside the competence of a sadhvi and a printing press worker â allegedly came from some serving and retired army men (Majors Prabhakar Kulkarni, Ramesh Upadhyay, Y.D. Sahasrabuddhe, and serving officer Lt Col Prasad Purohit). Here again, we find that the Bhonsala Military School at Nagpur where the now 85-year-old Kulkarni once served, is being targetted because it is managed by persons from the saffron fold (read RSS) and, way back in 2001, allowed the Bajrang Dal to hold a personality development camp on its premises! These guys could give Joseph McCarthy a complex.

The Malegaon arrests were a call to Hindu manhood to stand up and be counted. Some did, and some didnât. The man who found the virtue of secularism in the architect of the Great Calcutta Killing of 1946; tried to force India to send troops to fight the American war in Iraq; who supported while-pretending-to-oppose the scandalous Indo-US nuclear deal; who said nothing while P. Chidambaram gave the P-note route to unknown predators to take Rs. 13,000/- crores out of the Indian stock markets after the US meltdown began (SEBI admits Rs. 6500/- crores, but industry claims the higher figure); the Home Minister who twiddled his thumbs when Intelligence officers were thrashed within an inch of their lives while detecting SIMI activities in the capital, and refused to visit the victims of the 2001 Chhittisinghpura massacre when they were shifted to AIIMS; the man who offered green cards to illegal Bangla Muslimsâ¦

Even by these standards, it was a new low to find BJPâs Prime Ministerial candidate L.K. Advani disowning the stately Sadhvi, and declaring that she should be punished if found guilty. The former Home Minister should know that regardless of his platitudes, the law will take its own course, and that regardless of any outcome, Sadhvi Pragya and her co-accused have an enhanced status in the eyes of the community; he has emerged as the proverbial Mir Jaffar. This has been accentuated by inspired media reports that his views will prevail in the party, not those of the party president. In other words, the decision to abandon Hindu revolutionaries allegedly reacting to the murder and mayhem in the country, was something the Naqli Sardar had undertaken with deliberate intent.

As he struggles to impose his writ upon an increasingly restive party, Mr. Advani should ask himself why the Sri Amarnath Sangharsh Samiti told him to cancel his trip to Jammu earlier this year. It was because, given the betrayal at Ayodhya, ignited Hindus did not want him to come and make a statement that would defuse the movement without securing the land. It was a prescient move.

He should also ask himself â or his wily advisers â why every yatra undertaken after the Ram yatra has had to be abandoned without completion. Because he has been disowned by Sri Ram. His stranglehold on the BJP and sections of the RSS is reminiscent of the losing Ravanaâs unrelenting grip over Lanka.

Meanwhile, the nation owes a debt of gratitude to the aging tiger, Bal Thackeray, for asking the Hindu community to come forward to provide legal defence to Sadhvi Pragya and her co-accused. He can rest assured that the funds will pour in if he only directs us where to send our contributions.

Blasting the degenerates who support Afzal Guru, convicted for the attack on the Indian Parliament, the Shiv Sena chief has drawn a sharp distinction between the constant jihad by Islamic terrorists who plant bombs with impunity virtually every day â the Assam bloodbath being only the latest instance â and the possible reaction to the same by Hindus âborn in the present milieu.â This contextualization of the crime by the alleged accused is heart-warming after the snivelling, whimpering, distancing of the Advani faction, which looks to Karachi and Kansas for political legitimacy, unmindful of the fact that there has been a fundamental shift in the nationâs template. Those who will not pick up arms at Kurukshetra are doomed to failure.

Sadhvi Pragya and her associates are like the innocent Abhimanyu, cornered in a chakravyu created to appease Muslim voters in the run-up to the myriad elections over the next few months. Today, Hindu society is Arjun â and the way to break the chakravyu is to defeat each and every politician (across party lines) who is seen to be inimical to the interests and sensitivities of the Hindu people and the Hindu nation. The rest will take care of itself.
www.vijayvaani.com

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - Husky - 11-04-2008

^ Sandhya Jain, Hero

Three things.

1. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/11/rad...heir-faces.html
QUOTESunday, November 02, 2008
radha: Egg on their faces
nov 2nd, 2008

why is this alleged rape victim believed? why, she is a christist. so
she must be telling the truth.

just like dr. father bishop john thattunkal, the guy messing around
with his 'adopted daughter's blood and dreaming of her to-be-born
child who will appear holding an iron rod.

or just like the 'miracle' of m teresa, where the doctors removed a
tumor from monica b's stomach, and m teresa-wallahs claim it was
miraculously removed by the dead mt.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Radha Rajan <radharajan7@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Subject: Egg on their faces
To:

The TOI, the arch secularist tells us that all tests conducted on
Sadhvi Pragya Singh yielded the Maharashtra ATS only lemons to suck.
Narco analysis, brain-mapping, forensic tests, psychological tests -
lemons and more lemons. I guess I will have to wait awhile for our
secularists to spot and arrest the yeti called Hindu terrorist.

First, not that i care. One way or the other Hindus are thrilled -
that it is a case of laddoos in both hands - if the Sadhvi is found
guilty, well she is following in the footsteps of the brave women of
the Jugantar Party and if she is not it is eggs on the face of the ATS
anda ton of lemons to suck. I win any which way.

But such is the desperation of Sonia's ham-fisted establishment that
they really want to find the yeti even if they have to dress up a
clothes horse as one.

And another thing - if the 'raped' nun refuses to return to Orissa,
then on what basis has the orissa police arrested 7 persons for her
rape? Who told them they were rapists?

I think some tests are called for here. RR
Posted by nizhal yoddha at 11/02/2008 08:12:00 PM
2 comments:

karyakarta92 said...

Â Â As usual, Radha hits the nail on the Psec head.
Â Â I would be happy to see the emergence of an actual Hindu
Â Â Militia with national reach and ability to deliver swift and telling retribution against 4M terrorism against Hindus. In fact, if the Sangh morphs into such a martial outfit, Hindus could boldly claim responsibility for violence in self defense and national preservation, not deny it as if it were a crime against Gandhian fascism. The last such awakening was in 1992 when we demolished that hateful Muslim structure encroaching Shri Ramjanmabhoomi. Yes, we did it and proud of the action. The revolt against Nehruvian Stalinism and Gandhian fascism needs to be taken to it's logical culmination

Â Â 11/02/2008 11:11 PM
witan said...

Â Â The Sadhvi is a very brave woman -- because she is a true sadhvi.
Â Â I saw in the news a few minutes back Sadhvi faints in court. (See 2 below)
Â Â Is she being TORTURED by the police, just as the Tamil Nadu police did with the Shankaracharya of Kanchi? (Yes, see 2 and 3 below)
Â Â 11/03/2008 4:30 AM(That last refers to what's also discussed at http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1100618030 )

2. http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-..._100114571.html
QUOTESadhvi faints in court as Shiv Sena, BJP activists protest
November 3rd, 2008 - 7:06 pm ICT by IANS -
Nashik, Nov 3 (IANS) Malegaon bomb blast accused Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur Monday fainted in the chief judicial magistrateâs court in this Maharashtra city even as hundreds of activists of Shiv Sena, Bharatiya Janata Party, Hindu Maha Sabha and Abhinav Bharat held demonstrations outside in her support. The Sadhvi, along with her two alleged accomplices Shyam Bhavarlal Sahu and Shiv Narain Singh Kalsangra, was produced in the court earlier in the day by the Anti Terrorism Squad (ATS) of the Maharashtra police as their custody remand expired Monday.

The ATS drew a blank in the lie detector and brain mapping tests performed on the Sadhvi at a laboratory in Kalina in Mumbai last week.

Claiming that the ATS has come closer to a breakthrough in their investigations, special public prosecutor Ajay Misar told the court that it would help them in the interrogation of others in their custody.

The Sadhvi, who argued her own case, however, told the court that she and the two others arrested along with her were innocent and were being implicated as part of a larger game to defame Hindutva movement.
(Christoislamaniacs lie. Communazis lie.
Terrorist govt and their terrorist supporters need to prove to us Sadvhi is lying.)

She also alleged torture on the part of the ATS sleuths during her interrogation before and after her formal arrest.

With the police promulgating prohibitory orders inside the court premises and also foiling the activistsâ attempt to stage a road blockade, they were left to hold a sit-in outside the court displaying saffron flags and placards expressing solidarity with the Sadhvi and denouncing the government.
3. http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-..._100112851.html
QUOTEEx-army officer Upadhyay alleges torture by ATS
October 29th, 2008 - 9:08 pm ICT by IANS -
Nashik, Oct 29 (IANS) Retired army officer Ramesh Upadhyay of Pune, an accused in the Sep 29 Malegaon bomb blast case, Wednesday charged the Maharashtra Policeâs Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) interrogators of physically torturing him. âThe marks of ATS beating are still fresh on my body,â Upadhyay told the Chief Judicial Magistrateâs court here Wednesday when he was produced there by ATS officers seeking his police remand.

Strongly opposing Special Public Prosecutor Ajay Misarâs plea for his remand, Upadhyay said the ATS sleuths have already grilled and tortured him enough without unearthing any evidence against him.

Telling the court that he was a heart patient and could not survive without medication for single day, Upadhyay demanded that a thorough medical examination be conducted on him.

Offering himself for a narco test or any other scientific investigation and assuring the ATS full cooperation in their enquiry, Upadhyay claimed to hold high status and esteem in civil society as an ex-army officer.

âI am a proud ex-serviceman, a responsible citizen and a hardcore patriot; I have never indulged in or aided any terrorist activity. Such dirty allegations and police custody is the last thing I deserve,â Upadhyay said in his had-hitting self-defence. 

The ATS had Saturday detained Sameer Kulkarni and retired major Ramesh Upadhyay from Pune. They were interrogated under detention and finally placed under arrest Tuesday evening.

Among other things, the ATS has said that the two men were involved in imparting training to some activists of the right-wing Hindu Janjagriti Samiti (HJS).

Last week, three people, including a sadhvi (woman missionary), were arrested from Maharashtra and Madhya Pradesh in connection with the bomb blast in Malegaon, a town that has a strong concentration of Muslims, which left five people dead.

The sadhvi - Pragnya Singh Thakur - and her associates Shamlal Sahu and Shivnarain Singh are in police custody till Nov 3.This is called the Christoterrorist Inquisition Of Heathens (heathens, as opposed to heretics). They want them to confess to crimes by torturing them.

ADDED: Here, some Hindus who smell more than fish or rats in the christomedia's lying and the christocangressi-possessed 'Maharashtrian' police:
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncate..._100112102.html
Pragya being falsely implicated: Gujarat BJP

'Hindus' who first believe psecular (=christoislamicommunazi) lies - instead of giving Hindus the benefit of the doubt in unproven cases - are not Hindus at all. That would make up an important aspect of the definition for "Who is a Hindu" to me (since many a person has danced around with the question Who Is A Hindu anyway).

I recall some entity recently
- auto-defending that nun who made allegations about being raped, without there yet being any evidence of the crime/her victimhood and even though other such nuns who had alleged similar instances previously were shown to have been liars,
- AND presuming Sadhvi and other Hindus' guilt without there yet being any evidence of their having committed any crime.
Psecular Terrorism.

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - Husky - 11-04-2008

Continued from the above, and hence this is not news:

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=7447&SKIN=B
QUOTESadhvi Pragnya Singh Thakur is a Patriot; not a Terrorist
03/11/2008 23:38:30Â INDIAN-AMERICAN INTELLECTUALS FORUM - Press Release

We are deeply disturbed at the arrest and physical torture (as alleged by Sadhviâs brother-in-law Bhagwan Jha) of Sadhvi Pragnya Singh Thakur alias Sadhvi Purnachetanand Giri who has been, allegedly, charged in the Malegaon bomb-blast in the State of Maharashtra and is reportedly being interrogated by the Anti Terrorist Squad in Mumbai.(Goes on at link.)
"Confess! Confess you heathen. Jeebus loves you! Take that and that! Jeebus' love."

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - acharya - 11-05-2008

http://www.hindu.com/2008/11/05/stories/2008110555181000.htm

QUOTE
Hindutva and its cult of the bomb

Praveen Swami

Events since the unravelling of the Malegaon terror cell illustrate the double-standards, deceit and denial that characterise Indiaâs public discourse on terrorism.

The Indian Mujahideen (IM) warned the citizens of Mumbai through e-mail in September that for all the deadly attacks they faced in future, the cityâs Anti-Terrorism squad alone would be responsible. In the e-mail, the Islamist terror group charged the ATS with perpetrating atrocities on Muslims in Mumbai. Politicians of the Islamic right-wing â and not a few well-meaning liberals â joined the chorus, charging the police with running a communal witch-hunt.

The ATS is again facing a barrage of invectives â this time led by Hindutva groups which were cheering it on the successful counter-terrorist campaign against the IM. Last month, ATS investigators held Gujarat-based Hindutva activist Pragnya Singh Thakur and four other key members of a Hindutva terror cell for executing the September 29 bombing outside the Students Islamic Movement of Indiaâs old office in Malegaon. Six Muslims died in the bombings, which the police believe were a reprisal for the IM attacks.

Events since then have offered not a little into the double standards, deceit and denial that characterise Indiaâs public discourse on terrorism. Bharatiya Janata Party president Rajnath Singh proclaimed that there was no evidence against Pragnya, echoing almost verbatim the assertions by Islamist leaders after the arrests of IM suspects. The party spokesperson, Ravi Shankar Prasad, railed against what he described as âHindu-bashing by pseudo-secularistsâ â a formulation near-identical to that of Muslim neoconservatives who claim that the policeâs counter-terrorism campaign is a plot against Islam. Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray went one step further claiming that Hindus were being framed for acts of terror by Islamist conspirators â again, a carbon copy of assertions made earlier in the context of Islamist terror cells. And borrowing the tactics used by some jihadistsâ families, Pragnyaâs father appeared before the media to proclaim her innocence in an emotional speech.

ATS chief Hemant Karkare and his subordinates ought to be taking pride in a job well done. And Indians, whatever their political beliefs, ought to be very worried.

It is unclear just why anyone should seem surprised at the news that Hindutva groups can spawn terrorism: Mahatma Gandhiâs murderers and their motives are too well known to need recounting here.

Pragnya Thakurâs cell is the first Hindutva terror group known to have possessed and deployed significant bomb-making skills but elements of the movement she represented have long been known to be preparing for a war â at least since 2003. Underlying the turn to terror was a simple political objective: to persuade their audience that the Bajrang Dal and its sister organisations could, unlike the supposedly effete secular state, protect the frontiers of the Hindu faith from what was claimed to be an Islamic assault.
Terror capabilities

From 2006, it became clear, Hindutva groups were seeking to acquire serious terror capabilities. That summer, Naresh Kondwar and Himanshu Phanse of the Bajrang Dal were killed in a bomb-making accident in the Maharashtra town of Nanded. Investigators found that Kondwar and Phanse were responsible for bombing a Parbhani mosque in April 2006, almost three months before the Mumbai serial bombings. Bajrang Dal operatives linked to the Nanded cell, the police discovered, were also responsible for the bombing of mosques at Purna and Jalna in April 2003, in which 18 people were injured.

Few people took these warning signs seriously. But from the outset, the Maharashtra police â who knew better than most that what eventually flowered into the Lashkar-e-Taiba in India began with a handful of untrained men staging parades in a Mumbai slum âmade clear their concern about Hindutva terrorism. In a 2006 interview to the magazine Communalism Combat, the former ATS chief K.P. Raghuvanshi noted that the Nanded incident could have âfrightening repercussions.â He acidly observed that the âbombs were not being manufactured for a puja.â

Just this June, Hindu Janajagruti Samiti operatives were held for the bombing of the Gadkari Rangayatan theatre in Thane, to protest the staging of a satire on the Mahabharata, Amhi Pachpute. One of those arrested by the ATS, Mangesh Nikam, was facing trial on charges of bombing the home of a Ratnagiri family that had converted to Christianity and was out on bail.

In October, Bajrang Dal-linked Rajiv Mishra and Bhupinder Singh were killed in a bomb-making accident in Kanpur. Uttar Pradesh police sources said there was little to show that the group had links with the terror cells in Maharashtra â a proposition buttressed by forensic reports which said the explosive device they were constructing was in essence a large firecracker.

Unless checked, though, these groups will eventually acquire more sophisticated capabilities. In September 2006, the police seized a 195-kg cocktail of military grade explosives from an Ahmednagar scrap dealer. Shankar Shelke, investigators later found, retrieved the material â more than enough to execute all terror strikes across India since 1993 â from a decommissioned Indian Army ordinance which had sold it as scrap. From Shelkeâs telephone records, the investigators established the existence of a huge underground market for high-grade explosives â in the main industrial users who found legally available ammonium nitrate-based slurry explosives a nuisance to store and use.

Pragnya and her Hindutva terror cell have deep â and for some, discomfiting â roots in history. Abhinav Bharat â the organisation from which the terror cell emerged â was founded in mid-2006. Named after a group set up by the Hindutva ideologue Vinayak Damodar Savarkar in May 1904 to wage war against imperial Britain, Abhinav Bharatâs leading figures believed that terror was needed to counter Islamist terror â a belief they put into practice in Malegaon.

Hindutva terrorism was born at the dawn of the 20th century. Influenced by the dramatic impact of terrorism in imperial Russia, the Hindu nationalist leader, Bal Gangadhar Tilak, became increasingly drawn to violence as a tool to achieve Indian independence. A year after the searing 1905 revolution, which compelled Czar Alexander II to grant basic civil rights, Tilak wrote: âThe days of prayer have gone.â âLook to the examples of Ireland, Japan and Russia,â he exhorted his followers, âand follow their methods.â

Tilakâs message proved attractive to many young, upper caste Hindu neoconservatives â often the products of western-style education who had found in their re-imagining of Indian tradition a language with which to oppose British imperialism.

Figures like Savarkar, who went on to lead the Hindu Mahasabha and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, cast the struggle against Britain as a fight to defend the Hindu faith. In one manifesto, the original Abhinav Bharatâs followers promised to âshed upon the earth the life-blood of the enemies who destroy religion.â Later, the radical right journal Yugantar argued that the murder of foreigners in India was ânot a sin but a yagna [ritual sacrifice]â â language that would be entirely familiar to Osama bin-Ladenâs jihadist armies today.

Edinburgh-educated Pandurang Bapat was among those who responded to Tilakâs call. In 1908, Bapat is believed to have been given a manual for bomb-making by a Russian chemical engineer. Bapat insisted that his bombs never killed anyone. He was, however, suspected of involvement in the Alipore bomb case â an attack on a British magistrate by Khudiram Bose and Prafulla Chaki which missed its target, and killed two women. âIndian terrorism,â scholar Walter Lacquer has recorded, âwas relatively infrequent and on the whole quite ineffective: more often than not, the Indian terrorists managed to kill some innocent bystander rather than their intended victims.â

After the 1909 assassination of William Wylie, Edwin Montagueâs political secretary, Hindu right-wing terrorism went into a prolonged period of decline. Bapat shifted focus from seeking the overthrow of the British Raj to education. So did Savarkarâs close associate, Hindutva ideologue B.S. Moonje. In 1937, Moonje founded the Bhonsala Military School in Nashik â an institution to which, ironically enough, two men arrested by the ATS on charges of facilitating the Malegaon bombings were linked.
âHindu Fuhrerâ

Historian Eugene DâSouzaâs work on pre-Second World War German propaganda shows that the Hindu right-wing continued to worship violence despite its tactical turn from terror. In the build-up to the war, Nazi Germanyâs covert services reached out to potential allies. âMany vernacular papers in Bombay and Maharashtra belonging to the Hindu Mahasabha,â DâSouza has recorded, âopenly preached National Socialism for India and a Hindu Fuhrer in the mould of Hitler.â Interestingly, the Nazi message also appealed to proto-Islamists. Iranian expatriate Saif Azadâs Salar-e-Hind worked to promote fascism in India, casting Jews as criminals. âStrangely enough,â DâSouza has noted, âthe otherwise irreconcilable reactionaries and fanatics among both Hindus and Muslims were attracted to the totalitarian doctrine, though their approach was from two opposite directions.â Once again, Islamist and Hindutva terrorists are locked in a fateful embrace.

In a 2003 article, Pakistani scholar-diplomat Husain Haqqani warned that âthe rise of Hindu extremism serves as a catalyst for recruitment by extremist Islamists in South Asia.â Haqqaniâs bleak statement is borne out by facts. Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, who heads the Lashkar-e-Taiba, was a child of the Partition of India: his hatred for Hindus and India, journalist Zahid Husain has recorded, stemmed from his witnessing the massacre of much of his family on the route from Shimla to Lahore. Not a few of those involved in the Islamist jihad that has claimed thousands of lives in India since 1990 were seduced by violence because of their experience of communal pogroms.

BJP leaders â who often claim to have a special concern for Indiaâs strategic future â must unequivocally denounce the murderers in their ranks. Failing this, they will help to bring the apocalyptic Hindu-Muslim war that groups like the Lashkar hope to precipitate one step closer to realisation.

"Hindu terror" Eidolon - acharya - 11-05-2008

QUOTE
Pragnya and her Hindutva terror cell have deep â and for some, discomfiting â roots in history. Abhinav Bharat â the organisation from which the terror cell emerged â was founded in mid-2006. Named after a group set up by the Hindutva ideologue Vinayak Damodar Savarkar in May 1904 to wage war against imperial Britain, Abhinav Bharatâs leading figures believed that terror was needed to counter Islamist terror â a belief they put into practice in Malegaon.


This use of history to connect to the 21 century is interesting.
What about Bhagat Singh