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Christianity In Uk - agnivayu - 09-13-2008
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/282...istian-art.html
Christianity In Uk - agnivayu - 09-13-2008
These same arguments could be used in India for Hinduism
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Christianity In Uk - Husky - 09-13-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->These same arguments could be used in India for Hinduism<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->In India, we need no arguments. It is thorougly clear, every Hindu skill/science/art is derived from Hindu Dharma, from clothes to food to music to dance to health sciences. For example, as Bodhi pointed out, there are shastras detailing our cooking, and our seasoning (in TN at any rate and probably the rest of Bharatam too) derives from AyurVeda.
The western world only started getting art thanks to the Renaissance and rediscovery of classical Greco-Roman culture. Before that, their music was limited to the creepy Gregorian style chanting - the rest was all remnants of pre-christian traditions like Celtic religio-culture (Celtic drums, pipes). Similarly old traditional dances in Europe - that managed to pass down in spite of the christian ban on dancing - was pre-christian traditional dancing, e.g. MayPole dance that's survived, several Slovakian dances).
Renaissance art such as sculpture was a total rip-off of Hellenic sculpting. Nothing christian in that. Compare it to the early christian usurpers of Greco-Roman space who were woefully bad at sculpting. Their only contribution to culture was to demolish it everywhere. And then there's the juvenile drawing of medieval times: they could barely draw a person, none of which was proportional and certainly NO idea of depth of field (all characters same size).
Strange how we keep finding this. There is nothing originally artistic or creative in christianity - certainly no significant uniquely christian achievement without input from/ripping off from other cultures. All that I find of any value I have later discovered as having been derived from the Old European Traditions.
About Shakespeare, Dhu showed how the idea of a single person 'Shakespeare' as having written the body of works attributed to him is a sham and that there was apparently contribution from a Jewish lady. Certainly nothing christian in her contributions.
And here I might add that while Tolkien was a serious catholic/christian, his religion is not found in the LOTR beyond
- the rare mention of 'Eru the one god' and his creation of the world (Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales' Numenor chapter), including the interfighting between the goodies and baddies of his valar which is supposed to be the angel/devil dichotomy. Yet the good Valar are obviously rip-offs of Nordic Gods.
- and Tolkien's looking down disapprovingly via Gandalf at "heathens dying on the pyre",
- and of course one can notice his christianism in the racial biases and in the late anglo-saxon oryanism that's going on in his Middle-Earth works.
For the rest, the content is all pre-christian Celtic, Nordic, Finnish inspired and there's even some rip-off of non-European cultures.
CS Lewis' Narnia, though trying to shove christianism down young readers' throats, still could not have got any interest in his audience without putting in so much of Hellenic Tradition that it drowns out the christian message entirely. I certainly never even noticed the embedded NT christ story when I read it (long ago).
Take all the non-christian stuff out of these two modern 'fantasy' works that are proudly touted as christian, and what remains? Nothing attractive or entertaining.
What follows is on an entirely different matter, but also from the Telegraph.
The following is a comment on some article about the ordination of homosexual and female clergy in the church of England that's splitting up the Anglican church in the world, since African anglicans are following traditional christianity (which is anti-gay), whereas the western world has forgotten most of why they had murderous wars about a gazillion different interpretations of the bible before now.
Look at what western christo thinks of its own converts outside Europe who are more accurately following in the footsteps of the hate-filled early saints and the babble (Leviticus anyone?):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jh...6/20/do2002.xml
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I am a heterosexual Yank. Please permit me to inject my two cents' worth on Damian Thompson's excellent article.
My wife (female) and I are proud members of a small, inner-city Episcopal church in Denver, Colorado. Our small congregation is happily "inclusive" and, therefore, it consists of 40 per cent gay, divorced or formerly Roman Catholic members.
The writer points out that <b>we are the Church of England, not some worldwide communion that has to give equal time to every third-world, banana republic or Neanderthal dictatorship that wants to attach itself to our wagon. I say cut The National Church of Africa loose and let them go their own way.</b> They're two centuries behind the thinking of the idustrialized west as it is, and will no doubt have to go through women's suffrage, prohibition and continued racial and tribal strife on the road to catching up. Let me walk in the footsteps of Jesus, the Christ. Give me lesbian priests and faggot bishops! Give me freedom, justice and peace!
Posted by George Luce on June 22, 2006 2:44 AM
Report this comment<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Two things:
(1) Notice how the christoterrorist uses what's considered a very offensive word for male gay people, all while claiming to be open-minded. Inside it's the same old christo; the prejudices are just under the rug. Predictably, the guy will make doubly clear in the opening lines themselves that he is (1) "heterosexual" (2) has a "wife (female)". That's because WASPies are most afraid of being suspected of being gay, so they always start with something along the lines of "Just wanted to say that, <i>though I'm totally straight</i>, I accept gays" in order to super-clarify this in case anyone mistakes them for - gasp! - being gay too. George can rest easy: based on statistics, we'll only reasonably suspect him of adultery since so many even in the Church of England <i>vicarage</i> are into that:
http://www.deception.com.au/images/hypocrites.pdf
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Research conducted by former vicar John Thorburn and presented at the American Psychological Association conference in 1999, found that <b>a sixth of Church of England vicars in Britain had extra-marital affairs and another sixth was attracted to other men</b>. This makes British vicars more likely to be unfaithful to their wives than businessmen. Just under half the vicars surveyed admitted indulging in pornographic books and videos, one in 10 visited strip clubs and "a few" also used prostitutes, citing loneliness and depression as the driving force behind their behaviour.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><b>ADDED:</b>
What's that? Didn't their super-progressive blabla-babble prescribe death-by-stoning for adultery, just like their babble's Leviticus threatens with some equally fatal punishment for gay people?
Why yes - yes, it does:
http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Death for Adultery</b>
  If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
<b>Kill Homosexuals</b>
  "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(See also the section titled Infidels and Gays Should Die which quotes from "Romans 1:24-32 NLT" on how jeebusjehovallah threatens gay men and women with the death penalty.)
So when pseudo-openminded George Luce says "Let me walk in the footsteps of <b>Jesus</b>, the Christ. ... Give me freedom, <b>justice</b> and peace" - knowing full well that his jeebus upholds the OT law - we can't at all be sure whether he hopes for his non-existent gawd's murderous 'justice' or for the justice of modern-western secular law...
(2) A lot of Africa before christianism was far more emancipated towards women, while some African societies were in fact matriarchical. If they have gone backwards, it is because of christianism and changing their mindset to the christo view.
"The tribal strife" mentioned by the christosnob George above - such as what has been happening in Rwanda (where Anglicanism as well as Catholicism were to blame) and Congo (as revealed by Chapman Cohen) - was <i>caused</i> by christianism.
Good grief. The total callousness with which these western christos choose to keep themselves ignorant about what their ancestors did to others (just so that they can continue to feel superior to their convert footstools) is simply astounding.
Ignorant christos of the west - the kind that frequently declares in supreme ignorance that "India has always been poor" instead of finding out that it was christoBritain that looted her wealth - should learn to shut up with their lies on 'civilising' Africa unless they want the Rwandans and Congolese to drag them to the Hague 'tribunal' to get their christo faith indicted for war crimes of super-genocidal proportions.
http://web.archive.org/web/20021012152454/...eo/victims.html
<b>Genocide in Rwanda:</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:
"<b>Anglican as well as</b> Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just to make it clear, am not supporting Nigerian christoterrorists' anti-gay stance. Just saying that
- Nigerians and the other anti-gay churches involved in the church of England schism are more authentically christian than their western critics who've become slightly more secularised over the ages thanks to the hard efforts of agnostics and atheists of the past who tried to infuse some humanity into the christo-society they were forced to live in
- Western christos are to blame for christo-caused backwardness of their converts in the so-called third world: they're the ones who converted the populations to the regressive disease called christianism
Now they're feeling bad that it's come to bite them.
Christianity In Uk - Guest - 09-14-2008
Senior Church of wales Vicar had 56,000 child porn images
Christianity In Uk - Bodhi - 09-14-2008
"Replying to Christian<b>ity</b> In Uk"
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Hi Agnivayu, may I suggest a slight change in title: Christianism iso -ity? This ideology is more an -ism than an -ity as they have exclusively claimed for themselves.
Christianity In Uk - agnivayu - 09-15-2008
Why is this Paki Christian championing Christian mythology
Most Europeans have given up on Xtian myths. The real backers are the "Bible Belt" nuts (like Palin, Bush) from the U.S.
Also analysis of Xtian money into India does show, that after the U.S, Germany is also up there, ofcourse the Catholic church also. The Nazi regime was driven by Xtian beliefs (Esp. Catholic)