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Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Naresh - 06-27-2008
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Hope you understand.
I have on the average around 100 posts to make every day in many forums in the wide internet world.
I sometimes do not have the links and will be unable to post it immediately. Sometimes I have to post 500 posts every day. You can understand my position with this kind of workload.
To make sure that the message and the post is not lost since I only post what is relavent I had to post without URLt. When ever I get some links I would not miss posting the links in the posts.
My apology if it has caused inconvenience to you that you had to find the URL yourself. I would be try my best to satisfy your request in the future.
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<b>acharya Ji :</b>
My commiserations and facilitations at the hard task that you have undertaken and fully understand your limitations.
Posting Articles is of course mainly for the benefit of the âMembersâ of this Forum by way of knowledge and as such I would request you to keep posting - even without the âLinkâ as if such a stipulation was made then would lose out on some of the most important sources of information.
Please keep up your Good Work.
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Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Naresh - 06-28-2008
[center]<b><span style='color:green'>The Pakistani army - Pointed guns</span></b>[/center]
FOR more than half the 60 years it has been independent, Pakistan has been ruled by its soldiers. The army has mostly stepped in when inept civilian governments were on the brink of collapse. In February, however, the reverse occurred. An elected government took over and a new army chief, General Ashfaq Kiyani, declared that his troops would take their orders from the countryâs civilian leaders.
This shift was given a wary welcome abroad. America, long a benefactor of the Pakistani armed forces, remains perplexed about how to encourage the army to become an effective counter-insurgency force against the emboldened Islamic militants who shelter al-Qaeda in the tribal areas of the north.
Shuja Nawaz, the brother of a former chief of the Pakistani army who died in suspicious circumstances in 1993, drops some clues in this study on why the army developed into such an important national institution when it is so inept at dealing with this internal enemy, yet he draws no firm conclusions.
Mr Nawaz was the director of the International Monetary Fundâs publications division, still lives in Washington, DC, and writes a blog about Pakistan, India and America for the Huffington Post. He shows little animus about his brotherâs death, is on good terms with senior Pakistani officers and has been allowed to use the military archives. He describes the armyâs internal squabbles but avoids open criticism.
Mr Nawaz devotes considerable space to the air crash in which Pakistanâs most famous military leader, General Zia ul Haq was killed in 1988. General Ziaâs insistence that Pakistanâs soldiers should adhere strictly to the tenets of Islam still persists. On the day of the crash, General Zia had been attending a demonstration of American-made M1A1 main battle tanks near Bahawalpur in the Punjabi desert. The performance was a shambles. âThe most pathetic sight was of the tank trying to climb up a dirt ramp built at the site, getting stuck, and then sliding sideways off the ramp like a drunken sailor,â Mr Nawaz writes, implying that America was planning to deliver inferior equipment that was unsuited to the terrain.
General Ziaâs plane nosedived as it was returning to the capital, Islamabad, and exploded on impact. Although he was flying aboard an American-made C-130 military aircraft with the American ambassador, Arnold Raphel, also on board, the American authorities refused to allow the FBI to investigate the crash. Mr Nawaz does not overtly accuse America of sabotaging the plane. But he points out that some 250 pages of American government documents remain sealed 20 years after the crash. General Ziaâs violent death is also the subject of a recent novel by Mohammed Hanif, âA Case of Exploding Mangoesâ, though neither book reveals much that is new about the incident.
In the 1990s relations between Pakistanâs politicians and the army became increasingly mired in personal intrigue, petty politics and corruption. Concern about its traditional enemy India also grew. In a tit-for-tat race between the two, Pakistan began testing nuclear weapons in 1998, ignoring protests from America. After the attacks on the twin towers President Bush stepped up Americaâs military assistance to the Pakistani army in the hope that it would be encouraged to attack the Talibanâs rear base in Pakistanâs tribal areas. But President Pervez Musharraf, who until last November was also chief of the armed forces, preferred to focus on developing conventional warfare, training and equipment to use against India.
<!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo--><b><span style='color:red'>It was not until 2003 that Pakistani soldiers were at last deployed, at Americaâs insistence, against the militants. The Pakistani army, most of which is drawn from flat, agricultural Punjab, lacks the skills to fight in the mountainous tribal areas. Having sustained heavy losses, it retreated to barracks, its morale battered. America, still sending cheques, has been left wringing its hands about what to do next. Unable to adapt, Pakistanâs most powerful institution may not be so strong after all.</span></b> <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Naresh - 06-29-2008
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->LAHORE, June 28 : <b>The federal budget for the fiscal 2008-09 may have understated expenditure on account of interest payments, federal and provincial salary bill, subsidies and development expenditure by Rs410 billion and overstated the growth in the expected tax revenue target by 7.5 per cent to 25 per cent over the outgoing yearâs Rs1 trillion.
A study â A risky Federal Budget 2008-09 â by a private university estimates that the level of current and development expenditure could exceed the budget estimates for 2008-09 by almost Rs360 billion (if the government actually manages to curtail its non-salary bill by Rs50 billion and adjust part of the understated expenditure accordingly).</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Naresh - 07-01-2008
[center]<b><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Descent into chaos</span></b>[/center]
<b>If we think the militants will quietly retreat into their holes after the military mows them down, then we are big fools. When I say "we" I mean the ordinary Pakistanis. As I sit down to begin this column, the walls of my house shake and the window panes tremble. Suddenly the 24/7 prattle about judges' restoration on my TV channel is interrupted by 'breaking news.' For once the 'breaking news' warrants immediate attention. The Rawalpindi cantonment has been hit.
Ahmed Rashid must feel like an oracle, a deity of sorts among the westerners watching him dissect the Taliban saga. The last time he was heard of was from Canada where he had gone with his latest book : "Descent into Chaos : The United States and the Failure of Nation Building in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Central Asia."</b>
The Lahore-based author has an uncanny ability to show the future long before it hits us. He became the darling of the American media immediately after 9/11 with his book "Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia." The likes of Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld chased him around looking for advice on what to do next. The biggies in the Bush Administration stalked Rashid, a man unheard of on Capitol Hill until the attack on World Trade Centre. Suddenly Ahmed Rashid became a star, a guru, a pundit making all the talking heads on US television channels and the nattering 'security analysts' look like dummies. They came across as wimps. This chosen lot may be paid millions, but this bunch is as ignorant about affairs in our part of the world as say, the man on the American street. Had it not been for 9/11, Yale University Press would never have published Rashid's book. In 2000, no US publisher wanted to print it because Afghanistan didn't excite the Americans. The subject was not sexy enough.
<b>Last month I met Ahmed Rashid at a dinner in Islamabad. He told me about his new book. Why was he going west to launch it? I asked. "It's too explosive. They may not be able to take it," he said in a serious voice. Ah, yes, I forgot what happened to Ayesha Siddiqa exactly a year ago after she had the courage to take on the army with her book "Military Inc." The generals went berserk and hounded her out of the country. She fled to London and took sanctuary. Rashid didn't want a repeat. He didn't want to cross swords with the powerful ISI, which is the villain of the piece in his book "Descent into Chaos."
Well, the good news is that Asif Zardari, our man of the moment, likes Ahmed Rashid. He invited him for lunch at his home in Islamabad. They talked for two hours. It must have been a great debriefing on the shape of things to come. Zardari's basics on the Taliban must have been brushed up with Rashid providing a crash course on how to battle the enemy within. Since Army Chief Kayani had declared that the democratic government would henceforth handle all the hot button issues, one naturally looked to the PPP head to convert Zardari House into a battle headquarter and monitor the attack on the militants with Zardari in the lead.
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>No such luck.
The Taliban have arrived at the gates of Peshawar. But Asif Zardari has gone missing. Currently, he's away lecturing on security issues to the Turks and the Europeans. AZ times his tours abroad beautifully. More significantly, he does not leave anyone in charge to mind the store while he's gone. The Gilani government, hobbled with half its ministries vacant, is there for cosmetic effect. Rahman Malik, the unelected security czar does not have the wherewithal for fighting the Taliban. He lived in exile and came last October with Benazir Bhutto to Pakistan. But for the NRO - a personal gift from President Pervez Musharraf - Bhutto, Zardari and Malik would still be fugitives from the law.</span></b>
Rahman Malik was Benazir's political, financial and security whiz kid all these long years. When Zardari assumed the PPP throne, he bequeathed the ministry of interior to his longtime loyalist. Many worried that Mr Malik's specialty in security was outdated, considering that the ground realities had drastically changed while Malik was away. Granted that as General (r ) Naseerullah Babar's lieutenant in the ministry of interior during Benazir's time, Rehman Malik helped with the birth of the Taliban, midwived by Babar and the ISI, still, Al-Qaeda was yet to be born in our tribal areas. Managing this slippery cell now may require more expert hands than Malik's who at the end of the day is a politician not a security sharpie.
Nonetheless, Pakistanis were glad to see the end of suicide bombings once Rehman Malik took charge of our security. He told us we were safe because the new government â democratic to its core â would ink new deals of friendship and fraternity with the militant groups. Sure enough, the suicide bombings stopped and one took a respite from terrorism and its perpetrators.
Meanwhile the judges' issue festered like an ugly sore and Rehman Malik's attention was diverted to keeping the thousands marching into Islamabad away from mischief. He performed well and the masses dispersed without anyone getting hurt. Elsewhere, the regrouping of the militants was taking place, rearing its ugly head and eying Peshawar. Mr Malik has only one pair of eyes and ears. He's not a bionic man with superman's agility to swoosh around flashpoints and pluck them out. The bottom line: get help!
<b>Re-enter Ahmed Rashid. For starters all his phones are bugged and his emails shared by the intelligence agencies. In conversation with Amy Goodman of "Democracy Now" Rashid recently said that the billions given to Pakistan by America were spent on the most sophisticated surveillance equipment to track down the militants. "Some of this equipment is used for that, but the bulk of the equipment is used for two things. It's being used to monitor Musharraf's political opponents and journalists." Rashid said that three months after 9/11, America told Musharraf : "Look you go after Al-Qaeda, get as many Arabs as you can. We will reward you if you do that. We're not bothered about the Taliban. You can do what you like with the Taliban."
<span style='color:red'>In his book, Ahmed Rashid documents the story of Kunduz, in the north-eastern Afghanistan. American troops had surrounded 8,000 Taliban, Arab and Pakistani forces in November 2001. The Pakistanis were the ISI. At Musharraf's request, the Americans allowed Pakistan to airlift its people out. According to Rashid, "Hundreds of ISI officers, Taliban commanders and foot soldiers belonging to the IMU (an Uzbekistan guerrilla group) and AlQaeda personnel boarded the planes."
"Once the Taliban started streaming into Pakistan, retreating into Pakistan, they (Pakistan army) again started housing and looking after the Taliban," Rashid told his interviewer Amy Goodman.</span></b>
Apart from the money pumped into the militants by pro-Musharraf agencies, drug money is the in thing nowadays. Western forces are in "denial about Afghanistan's opium production, which today produces more heroin than the world can consume," says "The Times" writer Richard Beeston. "Opium production is now Afghanistan's biggest industry, leading to massive government corruption that has spread right to the president's closest advisors and even members of his family. Some of the profits are being diverted to fund Taliban military operations." Reviewing Rashid's book, Beeston concludes: "It will not be of much comfort to read about the missed opportunities in Descent into Chaos, but perhaps those involved in the fight might avoid repeating the same mistakes."
<b><span style='color:red'>And this is exactly my point. Can we stop making the same mistakes and move on? Can Secretary Negroponte, George W Bush's messenger stop enriching Pervez Musharraf and his allies who in turn are enriching the Taliban? Can Rahman Malik stop the photo-ops that he loves and instead move to Peshawar and monitor the military operation and can Asif Zardari stop his drawing room chats â at home and abroad â and for God's sake be honest and sincere to the people of Pakistan who have wisely or foolishly put all their trust in him once again?</span></b>
More of Ahmed Rashid in the weeks ahead.
Email: aniaz@fas.harvard.edu
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Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Guest - 07-02-2008
Pakistan Re is now USD 1 = Rs 68.70
Indian USD 1 = Rs 43.28
1 Re = Paki Rs 1.57
Some time back Paki Re was much stonger than Indian Re
Last ten Years of Army rule had destroyed Paki economy to rubbles. Now I wish another 5 years of Army rule.
Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Naresh - 07-02-2008
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Indian USD 1 = Rs 43.28
1 Re = Paki Rs 1.57
Some time back Paki Re was much stonger than Indian Re
<b>Last ten Years of Army rule had destroyed Paki economy to rubbles. Now I wish another 5 years of Army rule.</b>
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<b>Mudy Ji :</b>
The Military Dictator will again Rule for at least Ten Years - if not the one who carried out the coup dâétat then the next one. Thus there will be at least a Ten Year Military Rule again.
However, Zardari or Nawaz Sharif are better followers <b>Colonel Cargill</b> than the Pakistani Army Jernails as such either of the Two - jointly they will be twice as destructive - will ensure that Pakistan continues on board <b><span style='color:red'>The Clattering Train</span></b> <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo-->
All Aboard!
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Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Naresh - 07-02-2008
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ISLAMABAD: In a major set back to embattled President Pervez Musharraf, the Pakistan People's Party-led government has said it will "have to leave" the "unpopular" former military ruler if it is to survive in power.
The government will not change its policy towards Musharraf in spite of US President George Bush's support for the beleaguered leader.
Bush had last week made a phone call expressing support for Musharraf in his "personal capacity" and it should not be taken as backing by the US government, defence minister Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar has said.
The PPP leadership's top priority is "to save the government" even if it has to sacrifice its relationship with any person.
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Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Shambhu - 07-02-2008
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Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Naresh - 07-06-2008
<b>US hunt for Osama to be allowed : report</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->WASHINGTON, July 4: When Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani meets President George W. Bush at the White House on June 28, he will tell the US leader that <b>Islamabad will tolerate a US incursion into Fata if it is directed specifically against Al Qaeda leaders Osama bin Laden or Ayman Al Zawahiri â but nobody else, says a report published on Friday.</b>
Quoting senior US and Pakistani officials, the Time magazine reported that the prime minister, however, <b>would also tell Mr Bush that Pakistan would not allow incursions into its territory for any other Al Qaeda or Taliban leaders.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Guest - 07-06-2008
this story will not die down soon.
This headline though is misleading as Indian troops were not killed.
Flip-flop: Pak says Indian troops killed
Pranab Dhal Samanta
New Delhi, July 5:In a turnaround on the intriguing incident of June 19 on the Line of Control in which four Pakistani soldiers were killed in a crossfire with militants, the Pakistan government has lodged an official protest with India alleging that its soldiers were actually killed by Indian troops.
In fact, Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi raised this issue with the Indian side during his curtailed visit to India on June 27. Itâs learnt that he termed the incident as âcross-border firingâ and asked a perplexed Indian government to take adequate measures to prevent such incidents in the future.
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While the Indian side looks into the matter, South Block is quite stunned by this turnaround as Pakistan Military Spokesperson Maj Gen Athar Abbas had attributed the incident to âunknown miscreantsâ, a term Pakistan usually uses for militants, on the day of the incident.
The version that has by and large been accepted until now in India is that militants were trying to cross the LoC in the Krishna Ghati sector of Poonch area on June 19. They came under heavy fire from the Indian side and began to push back. It is believed that in the process they ran into a Pakistani patrol leading to a crossfire which resulted in killing of four Pakistani soldiers.
Since it was quite dark, there was considerable confusion on the Pakistani side but its military spokesperson made it clear, almost immediately, that there was exchange of fire with âmiscreantsâ in the Hajra sector of Rawalkot opposite Poonch on the Pakistan side.
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Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Guest - 07-07-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Blast near Lal Masjid kills 10, Islamists demand Mush's hanging </b>
Pioneer.com
Rezaul H Laskar | Islamabad
<b>At least nine policemen and a civilian were killed and 25 others injured in a massive explosion near the controversial Lal Masjid, minutes after thousands of Islamic hardliners demanded the public hanging of President Pervez Musharraf at a meeting to mark the shrine's storming by the Pakistani military.</b>
The powerful blast, which was heard as a large crowd of slogan shouting and flag waving people,<b> including madrassa students and outlawed extremist groups like the Sipah-e-Sahaba and Jaish-e-Mohammed, began dispersing</b>. Witnesses said the explosion occurred in the vicinity of a petrol station near Melody Market, which is located adjacent to the Lal Masjid and created panic among the people who ran back towards the mosque. Body parts and pools of blood lay strewn all over the area, which was cordoned off by the police. Nine of the dead were policemen. A high alert was declared in Islamabad while an emergency was declared in all the hospitals of the capital
The blast targeted the site where a large number of policemen had gathered as part of the security arrangements for the meeting where several clerics made hard hitting speeches criticising the arrest of former Lal Masjid cleric Maulana Abdul Aziz as well as the Government's plans for reforming madrassas.
<b>"A criminal case of mass murders should be registered against Musharraf and others responsible for the killings," </b>a leader said. TV channels reported that leaders of outlawed extremist groups like the Sipah-e-Sahaba and Jaish-e-Mohammed participated in the meeting. Clerics said the conference was organised to pay respect to those who died when the army stormed the mosque in the heart of Islamabad after a siege in July last year. Participants demanded the release of Lal Masjid cleric Abdul Aziz, the reopening of Jamia Faridia madrassa and rebuilding of Jamia Hafsa madrassa in line with an order issued by the Supreme Court.
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Mushy is still very busy.
Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Naresh - 07-07-2008
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<b>Mudy Ji :</b>
[center]<b><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>TWENTY ONE</span></b>[/center]
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Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Shambhu - 07-07-2008
Mush could save the Pak economy by agreeing to be hanged on Pay-Per-View. There could be a 21-masjid-blast salute to the CEO (who will now become the Chief Executed Officer).
Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Naresh - 07-09-2008
<b>Mudy Ji :
A Prophecy made in 2005!</b>
[center]<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Pakistan : Going forth and away from our stereotypes</span></b>[/center]
<b>It isn't easy to be a citizen of Pakistan living nowadays anywhere in the world. Everywhere you are considered if not a terrorist then at least a sympathizer of Osama bin Laden. Not surprising that so many people born in Pakistan and living abroad have decided to return home together with their assets.</b> At the same time their country of origin needs investments in order to be able to keep non-increasing the gap of power abilities between it and its regional nemesis India. The race for foreign investments in East and South Asia that have roots in the years after the WWI, may lead to changes in these regions that are hard to understand.
<b>Many people born in Pakistan feel uncomfortable these days because of their country of origin.</b> Despite the fact that there were many Pakistanis buried under the rubbles of the WTC in NYC, despite the fact that many real terrorists since were caught only because of the cooperation of Islamabad, the Western public opinion created this new stereotype, putting sign of equality between Pakistanis and terrorists. <b>So it isn't surprising that many Pakistanis living abroad decided to return home or at least to prepare their ultimate return by buying cheaper real estates.</b> The result was an unprecedented appreciation of the land for development in Lahore and Karachi since the end of 2001. In some places the happy first-come-first-served investors report 10-12-fold appreciation during the last 36 months.
<b>Pakistan in general is among the least developed countries in the world, but that is only one side of the story.</b> This country needs modernization, not exactly copying the Western models, but nonetheless attracting foreign investments in order to diversify the local economy that is still based on three main pillars like in 1947 when the country was born out of partition of the former British colonial territories. Textiles, leather and sport goods still account for 75% of the export and the taxes. <b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>The former feudal landlords still keep considerable political power by aligning themselves with the military regimes. But all this is doomed, Pakistan as we know it will cease to exist in 20-30 years from now.</span></b> <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<b>The domino effect of modernization in Asia that started 50 years ago with the first mass injections into the Japanese textile industry by the Americans will continue its pace into Pakistan, not because the local elites favor modernization but because without it <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>they won't be able to compete regionally with India, their longtime nemesis.</span></b> Returning home Pakistanis will play special role in this process of modernization. Most of these "dollar people" have been no part of the traditional political and economic elites. They are bringing with them 9-5 working schedule, work-mall-home shopping habits, social and political rights, and the idea of constant social changes as something desirable. In fact they will claim chunks of the economic and political power and why not more than just chunks. This society 20-30 years from now will look very different from our today's stereotypes.
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Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Guest - 07-09-2008
I want Pakistan to last, where these fundoos will go. I don't want them in my backyard.
Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Shambhu - 07-10-2008
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Finally! Something truly worthy of Islam! </span><!--emo&:bevil--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/b_evil.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='b_evil.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<b>Women in Pak vow to raise babies for âjihadâ</b>
Reuters
Posted online: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 at 05:11:35
Updated: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 at 06:45:09
Islambad, July 9: About 2,000 Islamist women gathered at the radical Lal Masjid in Islamabad on Wednesday and vowed to raise their children for holy war, days after a suicide bomber killed 18 people after a similar rally.
Chanting slogans of "jihad is our way", burqa-clad women, some with babies, listened to fiery speeches from the daughter of the mosque's jailed cleric on the eve of the anniversary of a commando raid on the complex in which more than 100 people died.
"Our mujahideen (fighters) laid down their lives for the enforcement of the Islamic system in Pakistan. We are left behind to carry forward their mission," the daughter of cleric Abdul Aziz told the tightly guarded rally in the mosque compound.
Several thousand men attended a similar rally on Sunday to mark the anniversary of the July 10 commando raid that ended a week-long siege that began when gunmen from the mosque clashed with police.
Shortly after the Sunday rally ended, a suicide bomber attacked police who had been guarding the gathering killing 18 people, all but three of them policemen.
The attack highlighted the danger posed by militants in nuclear-armed Pakistan, where a new coalition government has been preoccupied with what to do with the unpopular President Pervez Musharraf, a staunch US ally who has been isolated since his allies were defeated in a February election.
The blast in the centre of the capital also compounded gloom on Pakistan's financial markets, where stocks have been sliding because of economic worries and the rupee has set new lows.
"AL JIHAD"
But there was no trouble on Wednesday as the cleric's daughter, who did not identify herself, told the crowd to steel their families for holy war.
"We should prepare our children and men for jihad," she said.
The crowd responded with shrill chants of "we are ready" and "al jihad".
Aziz was caught during the siege last year trying to slip through a cordon dressed in a woman's burqa. His brother, Abdul Rashid Ghazi, who was also a mosque cleric, was killed.
Ghazi's widow, identified as Umm-e-Hassam, said President Pervez Musharraf should be punished for ordering the crackdown: "This man is the enemy ... I want this man to be severely punished before I die," she told the rally.
The Lal Masjid and an adjoining women's madrasa, or religious school, had for years been a bastion of militant support in Islamabad and the clerics and their followers had waged an increasingly defiant campaign to enforce Taliban rule.
They occupied a state library, kidnapped women they accused of prostitution and some policemen, and stormed music and video shops and beauty parlours, much to the dismay of the moderate majority in the capital.
They also accumulated weapons and battled security forces for days, rejecting calls to surrender, before Musharraf ordered the commandos in to end the standoff.
The assault unleashed a wave of suicide bomb attacks across the country in which hundreds of people were killed, including former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.
Aziz's wife, identified as Umm-e-Hassan, said they had nothing to do with the attacks.
"We are not terrorists. Islam does not teach terrorism ... America and its stooges are terrorists," she told reporters at the rally, referring to the Pakistani army.
"We are holding this rally to tell the world we are alive and in high spirits. Islam can never be wiped out. It grows more after martyrs shed their blood."
(Let us all do Islam a favor and shed more jehadi blood. No, no, no..I do not want any reward for this Islampasand service).
Militant violence eased after a government made up of Musharraf's opponents took power in March, promising to negotiate peace. But the lull seems to be over.
http://publication.samachar.com/pub_articl...ww.samachar.com
Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Naresh - 07-10-2008
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<b>Mudy Ji :</b>
Simeon Mitropolitski is not predicting a break-up of Pakistan but he is pretty confident that Pakistan will be able to emulate India.
I too do not want Pakistan to âBreak Upâ but to stay as one unit and stew in its own âMorning Evacuationâ or its Evacuation at any other time of the Day or Night.
If such predictions were Green Tamarind then Simon Metropolitski would have the Mother of all Sore Throats!
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Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Naresh - 07-10-2008
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<b>ISLAMABAD : The British High Commission (BHC) in Pakistan is planning to relocate its visa section to Dubai owing to security concerns, diplomatic sources said on Wednesday.</b>
The sources said plans for such a move had been in the pipeline for quite sometime now due to rising threats by Al Qaeda and Taliban militants against Western citizens and installations in the country, but the process was expedited only after the terrorist attack on the Danish embassy in early June.
BHC spokesperson Aidan Liddle admitted that it had been proposed to move some of the officeâs administrative staff to the UAE, but denied that the move was due to security concerns.
Liddle said it was an administrative issue and should only be treated as such. He added that the move was part of a plan to create visa hubs in various parts of the world where visa applications could be processed.
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Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Guest - 07-10-2008
As expected
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Army sources said that the firing on the Indian post came even as, Indian forces just 3 to 4 kms away were engaged in foiling a bid by about 20 militants to cross over.
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Moron Singh will start another train and bus to appease Indian Muslims and ofcourse his country man Pakis.
They are not militant but they want to see India's greatest fool, they are tourist.
Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2 - Guest - 07-10-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Indian troops fire at Pakistani post in Kashmir: military</b> ISLAMABAD, July 10 (AFP/AP) Indian forces fired on Pakistani troops deployed at a forward post along the de-facto border dividing Kashmir between the two countries, a senior military official said. Pakistani troops fired back in retaliation but there was no immediate report of casualties in the exchange of fire. The incident occurred at Battal in Rawalakot sector on the Line of Control which separates the Indian and Pakistani parts of the Himalayan territory, chief Pakistani military spokesman Major General Athar Abbas told AFP. âIndians fired two mortars and small arms on a Pakistani check post at 2pm (0800 GMT),â Abbas said. <b>Pakistani soldiers retaliated with mortars and small arms</b>, adding that a protest was communicated through a hot line across the border, he said. âPakistan is demanding an immediate meeting at the level of Directors General Military Operations,â he said. The incident was a rare violation of a ceasefire which Pakistan and India agreed to hold in November 2003 along the Line of Control before they launched peace talks in January 2004. Indian army spokesman Lt. Col. S.D. Goswami denied its forces targeted Pakistani positions.âA group of militants fired on our troops during an infiltration bid. Our army returned the fire and foiled the infiltration bid,â said Goswami. He said that in a separate incident Thursday in the same area, Pakistani soldiers opened fire on Indian positions but: â<b>We didn't retaliate</b>.â(Posted @ 18:30 PST)
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