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The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-25-2013

National Merit 2013, Washington State

Ahluwalia = Khatri

Gulati = Khatri

Patel = Patel

Sirohi = Khatri

Bachan = Kayasth

Thevuthasan = Tamil Velala

Singh = Jat Sikh

Sukumar = Nair

Malik = Khatri

Sanjay = SIB

Jayaram = SIB

Jain = Jain

Narayanan = SIB

Ranade = SIB

Sanu = NIB

Sriram = SIB

Palekar = SIB

Shyamkumar = SIB

Srivatsan = SIB

Ramesh = SIB

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-25-2013

Above, Total = 20

SIB = 9

Khatri = 4

Jain = 1

NIB = 1

The brahmin-khatri-jain combo has 15 / 20 slots

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-27-2013

2013 National Merit, Orange County, California

Total = 254 slots

Mehta = NIB-guj

Patel = Patel

Patel = Patel

Shah = NI-bania-guj

Mahesh = SIB

Patel = Patel

Pasricha = Rajput

Rohit = SIB

Ghanshani = Sindhi

Patil = Maratha

Ghosh = Kayastha- bengali

Paladugu = Kamma

Sheth = Jain

Janardan = SIB

Raj = Rajput

Attal = Maheshwari bania

Nandan = SIB

Total = 17

Asian Indian in Orange County = 420

Strike rate = 4%

IQ = 135 - 28 = 107

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-27-2013

Palo Alto, California, 2013 National Merit

Total = 67

Kannan = SIB

Sarathy = SIB

Ahuja = Khatri

Singh = Rajput

Ram = SIB

Total Indians = 44

Strike rate = 11%

IQ = 135 - 18 = 117

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 02-28-2013

National Merit 2013, Michigan

Total = 66

Premkumar = SIB

Lalitha = SIB

Ananya = NIB

Saha = Kayastha, bengali

Sahay = Kayastha

Sarkar = Kayastha, Bengali

Datta = Kayastha, Bengali

Puttagunta = Kamma

Khatri = Khatri

Bijlani = Sindhi

Chand = Khatri

Desai = NIB-guj

Dogra = Rajput

Iyer = SIB

Kapadia = NI bania

Pranav = SIB

Mishra = NIB

Anusha = SIB

Reddy = Reddy

Bansal = NI bania

Bhandari = Rajput

Desai = NIB - guj

Prasad = SIB

Ravi = SIB

Hiremath = Lingayat

Jain = Jain

Prabhu = Kayasth

Sondhi = Khatri

Tadepalli = Kamma

Taranath = NIB - bengali

Veluswamy = Tamil Velala

Roy = NIB - bengali

Tata = Parsi

Siva = SIB

Anishetty = Shetty

Anisha = SIB

Bolineni = Kamma

Aditi = SIB

Kanneganti = Kamma

Iyer = SIB

Sharma = NIB

Shekar = SIB

Venugopal = SIB

Kakar = Khatri

Munugula = Kamma

Nistala = Kamma

Ravipati = Kamma

Vidya = SIB

Swaminathan = SIB

Tetali = Kamma

Patke = SIB

Krishnan = SIB

Wadhwa = Khatri

Venkatesh = SIB

Murali = SIB

Patel = Patel

Ghosh = Bengali Kayastha

Aditya = SIB

Chandra = Khatri

Lavanya = SIB

Karthik = SIB

Maruthi = SIB

Sivaraman = SIB

Ganapati = SIB

Priya = NI bania

Janardan = SIB

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 04-01-2013

There is statistical data to show that the height of Indian children is correlated to their and their neighbourhood’s access to toilets

You can learn a lot from measuring children’s height. How tall a child has grown by the time she is a few years old is one of the most important indicators of her well-being. This is not because height is important in itself, but because height reflects a child’s early-life health, absorbed nutrition and experience of disease.

Because health problems that prevent children from growing tall also prevent them from growing into healthy, productive, smart adults, height predicts adult mortality, economic outcomes and cognitive achievement. The first few years of life have critical life-long consequences. Physical or cognitive development that does not happen in these first years is unlikely to be made up later.

So it is entirely appropriate that news reports in India frequently mention child stunting or malnutrition. Indian children are among the shortest in the world. Such widespread stunting is both an emergency for human welfare and a puzzle.

Why are Indian children so short? Stunting is often considered an indicator of “malnutrition,” which sometimes suggests that the problem is that children don’t have enough food. Although it is surely a tragedy that so many people in India are hungry, and it is certainly the case that many families follow poor infant feeding practices, food appears to be unable to explain away the puzzle of Indian stunting.


One difficult fact to explain is that children in India are shorter, on average, than children in Africa, even though people are poorer, on average, in Africa. This surprising fact has been called the “Asian enigma.” The enigma is not resolved by genetic differences between the Indian population and others. Babies adopted very early in life from India into developing countries grow much taller. Indeed, history is full of examples of populations that were deemed genetically short but eventually grew as tall as any other when the environment improved.

So, what input into child health and growth is especially poor in India? One answer that I explore in a recent research paper is widespread open defecation, without using a toilet or latrine. Faeces contain germs that, when released into the environment, make their way onto children’s fingers and feet, into their food and water, and wherever flies take them. Exposure to these germs not only gives children diarrhoea, but over the long term, also can cause changes in the tissues of their intestines that prevent the absorption and use of nutrients in food, even when the child does not seem sick.

More than half of all people in the world who defecate in the open live in India. According to the 2011 Indian census, 53 per cent of households do not use any kind of toilet or latrine. This essentially matches the 55 per cent found by the National Family Health Survey in 2005.

Open defecation is not so common elsewhere. The list of African countries with lower percentage rates of open defecation than India includes Angola, Burundi, Cameroon, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, Ghana, Kenya, Liberia, Malawi, Rwanda, Senegal, Sierra Leone, South Africa, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia, and more. In 2008, only 32 per cent of Nigerians defecated in the open; in 2005, only 30 per cent of people in Zimbabwe did. No country measured in the last 10 years has a higher rate of open defecation than Bihar. Twelve per cent of all people worldwide who openly defecate live in Uttar Pradesh.

So, can high rates of open defecation in India statistically account for high rates of stunting? Yes, according to data from the highly-regarded Demographic and Health Surveys, an international effort to collect comparable health data in poor and middle-income countries.

International differences in open defecation can statistically account for over half of the variation across countries in child height. Indeed, once open defecation is taken into consideration, Indian stunting is not exceptional at all: Indian children are just about exactly as short as would be expected given sanitation here and the international trend. In contrast, although it is only one example, open defecation is much less common in China, where children are much taller than in India.

Further analysis in the paper suggests that the association between child height and open defecation is not merely due to some other coincidental factor. It is not accounted for by GDP or differences in food availability, governance, female literacy, breastfeeding, immunisation, or other forms of infrastructure such as availability of water or electrification. Because changes over time within countries have an effect on height similar to the effect of differences across countries, it is safe to conclude that the effect is not a coincidental reflection of fixed genetic or cultural differences. I do not have space here to report all of the details of the study, nor to properly acknowledge the many other scholars whose work I draw upon; I hope interested readers will download the full paper at


Of course, poor sanitation is not the only threat to Indian children’s health, nor the only cause of stunting. Sadly, height reflects many dimensions of inequality within India: caste, birth order, women’s status. But evidence suggests that socially privileged and disadvantaged children alike are shorter than they would be in the absence of open defecation.

Indeed, the situation is even worse for Indian children than the simple percentage rate of open defecation suggests. Living near neighbours who defecate outside is more threatening than living in the same country as people who openly defecate but live far away. This means that height is even more strongly associated with the density of open defecation: the average number of people per square kilometre who do not use latrines. Thus, stunting among Indian children is no surprise: they face a double threat of widespread open defecation and high population density.

The importance of population density demonstrates a simple fact: Open defecation is everybody’s problem. It is the quintessential “public bad” with negative spillover effects even on households that do not practise it. Even the richest 2.5 per cent of children — all in urban households with educated mothers and indoor toilets — are shorter, on average, than healthy norms recommend. They do not openly defecate, but some of their neighbours do. These privileged children are almost exactly as short as children in other countries who are exposed to a similar amount of nearby open defecation.

If open defecation indeed causes stunting in India, then sanitation reflects an emergency not only for health, but also for the economy. After all, stunted children grow into less productive adults.

It is time for communities, leaders, and organisations throughout India to make eliminating open defecation a top priority. This means much more than merely building latrines; it means achieving widespread latrine use. Latrines only make people healthier if they are used for defecation. They do not if they are used to store tools or grain, or provide homes for the family goats, or are taken apart for their building materials. Any response to open defecation must take seriously the thousands of publicly funded latrines that sit unused (at least as toilets) in rural India. Perhaps surprisingly, giving people latrines is not enough.

Ending a behaviour as widespread as open defecation is an immense task. To its considerable credit, the Indian government has committed itself to the work, and has been increasing funding for sanitation. Such a big job will depend on the collaboration of many people, and the solutions that work in different places may prove complex. The assistant responsible for rural sanitation at your local Block Development Office may well have one of the most important jobs in India. Any progress he makes could be a step towards taller children — who become healthier adults and a more productive workforce.

(Dean Spears is an economics PhD candidate at Princeton University and visiting researcher at the Delhi School of Economics.)

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 04-01-2013

Above article says that due to public defecating, lots of fly based diseases spread and this leads to stunting even in upper middle class kids and not directly mentioned in article, stunting also leads to lower IQ

Perhaps thats why diaspora Indians score so much higher in IQ

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 04-09-2013

The arguments in the Dorairajan case in the Madras High Court, 1951, bring this out very clearly. The court is told that if the Communal GO had not existed and selection to the roughly 400 seats in government engineering colleges were made solely on “merit”, i e, in terms of a ranking based on the marks obtained in the qualifying examination, then brahmins would have obtained 249 seats instead of the 77 they were allotted under their communal quota. The court sees this as clear evidence of injustice against brahmins, with no attempt to reflect on how a republic committed to ending caste inequalities ought to deal with a situation where a historically privileged community numbering 3% of the population would corner 62% of the seats in a state-subsidised engineering college

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 04-10-2013

2013 National Geographic Bee

out of 52 State winners

Pranit Nanda = NI-bania Khatri

Sanjeev Uppalari = SIB

Amrit Singh = Jat Sikh

Praneeta Nalluri = SIB

Abhinav Karthikeyan = SIB

Karnik = Kayasth CKP

Neha Middela = Reddy

A. Misra = NIB

N.Sandhu = Jat Sikh

H.Palani = Velala

Sai Vaddadi = SIB

Patel = Patel

Adithyan Sujithkumar = Nair

Chinmay Murthy = SIB

A.Rekulapelli = Kamma

Jain = Jain

Total = 16

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 04-12-2013

In the british and justice party quota law, brahmin quota in madras presidency was limited to 14%

which is much worse than the current 31%

In 1951, there was madras presidency, not yet TN, Andhra etc

There were 400 engineering seats for entire madras presidency and harder to get in than IIT today

Engineering college entrance = 3 x SD above mean = 145 IQ

SIB = 3%

FC Dravidian such as Reddy, Nair, Velala , Syrian Xtian = 27%

The other 70% such as MBC, SC, ST and muslims did not get in

In 1951, this was when SIB in Madras presidency had a higher IQ than today

This was before the exodus of SIB to Mumbai, Delhi and USA

249 out of 400 = 62% seats went to SIB and reduced to 77 seats by quota

If we set SD = 15

Engineering seat = 145 = 3 SD

FC Dravidian, 27% = 100 IQ

145 IQ = 0.1% x 27 = 2.7

SIB, 3% = 115 IQ ( same gap between Ashkenazi jew and white )

145 IQ = 2.3% x 3 = 6.9

Predicted SIB = 6.9 / ( 6.9 + 2.7 ) = 71%


Interestingly in the USA, whenever a higher IQ minority crosses 25%, anti- quota is introduced

The Real Indian IQ - Meluhhan - 04-13-2013

[quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='11 April 2013 - 10:00 PM' timestamp='1365735167' post='116556']

In the british and justice party quota law, brahmin quota in madras presidency was limited to 14%

which is much worse than the current 31%

In 1951, there was madras presidency, not yet TN, Andhra etc

There were 400 engineering seats for entire madras presidency and harder to get in than IIT today


What kind of math are you doing?

14% of 400 is 56, not 77.

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 04-14-2013

[quote name='Meluhhan' date='13 April 2013 - 06:08 AM' timestamp='1365813015' post='116560']

What kind of math are you doing?

14% of 400 is 56, not 77.


I know

But for some reason or loophole, the SIB admitted was 77, despite the 14% quota

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 04-28-2013

2013 Spelling bee Semifinalists

Giri - SIB

Murali - SIB

Mishra - NIB

Konakalla - Telegu Kamma

Himanvi - SIB

Ramesh - SIB

Nikitha - Tamil Velala

Tarun - SIB

Khurana - Khatri

Sahijwani - Sindhi

Kamineni - Telegu Kamma

Pranav - SIB

Koganti - Telegu Kamma

Kalyanapu - Telegu Kamma

Shivshankar - Gowda

Singh - NI Rajput

Seshadri - SIB

Gurjiwan Singh - Jat Sikh

Shahani - Sindhi

Venkatachalam - SIB

Das - Bengali Kayastha

Kainthan - Tamil Velala

Devanandan - Tamil Velala

Hathwar - SIB

Ratnakumar - Tamil Velala

Chandrasekar - SIB

Arvind - SIB

Veeramani - Tamil Velala

Amritraj - Tamil Velala

Parab - Maratha

Rao - SIB

Rao - SIB

Ananthanarayanan - SIB

Srinivasan - SIB

Rahul - SIB

Reddy - Reddy

Dasari - SIB

Syamantak - NIB , Oriya

Sharma - NIB

Thadani - Sindhi

Kharkar - Kayastha, Maharashtrian CKP

Patel - Patel

Nainani - Sindhi

Shrivastava - Kayastha

Total Semifinalists = 280

Indian = 44

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 05-20-2013

2013 Mathcounts State finalists

Total = 232

Indians = 37

Muslims = 0

SIB = 12

NIB = 2

Kamma = 4, Again Telegu dravidians swamp all other dravidian castes

Reddy = 1

Velala = 1

Nair = 1

NI-bania = 10, again NI bania swamp NIB

Garg = NI bania

Singh = NI Rajput

Mattoo = NIB - Kashmiri Pandit

S.Gogineni = Kamma

H.Gogineni = Kamma

Krishnamurthy = SIB

Lakshmikanthan = SIB

Subramanian = SIB

Narayanan = SIB

Ramachandran = SIB

Nair = Nair

Rathore = NI Rajput

Bhattacharya = NIB - Bengali

Shahani = NI-bania Sindhi

Bhat = SIB

Patel = Patel

Ravada = SIB

Das = Kayastha, Bengali

Murali = SIB

Akash = SIB

Reddy = Reddy

Srikanth = SIB

Yash = NI bania

Sah = NI bania

Velingker = SIB

Cheepurupalli = Kamma

Choudhry = Jat

Baranwal = NI bania

Patel = Patel

Mittal = NI bania

Martheswaran = Velala

Thadani = NI bania - Sindhi

Chainani = NI bania Sindhi

Mirchandani = NI bania Sindhi

Kadaveru = Kamma

Sowmya = SIB

Sahai = NI bania

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 05-21-2013

10 Geo bee finalists

Neelam Sandhu - Jat Sikh

Asha Jain - Jain

Pranit Nanda - Khatri

Uppalari - SIB

Karnik - CKP Kayasth - Winner

Middela - Reddy

Palani - Velala

Rekulapalli - Kamma

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 05-21-2013

56 Mathcounts finalists

10 Indians

Sah - NI bania

Kadaveru - Kamma

Garg - NI bania

Reddy - Reddy

Yogeshwar - SIB

Bhattacharya - NIB bengali

Shahane - Sindhi

Mattoo - NIB Kashmiri

Saladi - Kamma

Arvind - SIB

The Real Indian IQ - ramana - 05-29-2013

Reuters reports the US spelling bee format changed.

Quote:Young contestants in the Scripps National Spelling Bee launched two days of competition on Wednesday, facing the new challenge of not only having to spell obscure words correctly, but also knowing what they mean.

A total of 281 spellers aged 8 to 14 from across the United States and foreign countries were to take to the stage for a preliminary round on their knowledge of English words. The finals are on Thursday night.

For the first time since it began in 1927, the contest is requiring young spellers in preliminary and semifinal rounds to take a vocabulary test. Organizers say it is part of the Bee's commitment to deepening contestants' command of English.


Looks like they hope to weed out Indian kids but are not successful....

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 05-30-2013

[quote name='ramana' date='29 May 2013 - 10:57 PM' timestamp='1369847949' post='116645']

Reuters reports the US spelling bee format changed.

Looks like they hope to weed out Indian kids but are not successful....


17 out of 42 semi-finalists are Indian, even with the new format

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 05-30-2013

Spelling bee semi-finalists. total = 42

Kopuri = Kamma

Dayaprema = Sinhalese

Chandran = Nair

Pranav = SIB

Vanya = Gowda

Seshadri = SIB

Shahane = Sindhi

Gokul = SIB

Devanandan = Velala

Sriram = SIB

Arvind = SIB

Veeramani = Velala

Aditya = SIB

Reddy = Reddy

Dasari = Kamma

Syamantak = NIB - Oriya

Kharkar = CKP, Maharashtrian Kayastha

The Real Indian IQ - G.Subramaniam - 05-31-2013

8 out of 11 finalists are Indian

Syamantak = NIB - Oriya

Kharkar = CKP, Maharashtrian Kayastha

Arvind = SIB

Reddy = Reddy

Sriram = SIB

Chandran = Nair

Pranav = SIB

Vanya = Gowda