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BJP Future - 6 - Husky - 02-24-2009

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QUOTE(ramana @ Feb 19 2009, 12:32 AM)I worry if BJP is Modern India's Julian?
[right][snapback]94697[/snapback][/right]How do you mean? In the sense of them both being the (possible) pagan last stands? Or were you remarking on character, thought-drive and effort? If the latter, then where's the basis for comparison? The Julian of history was
1. Brilliant, with the keennest of intellects and a foresightedness, understanding and level of perception that is all the more remarkable today since it's not now duplicated.
2. And he was uncompromising when it came to the Terrorism. Every move he made against christianism was calculated. He was playing the kind of chess with it that the christians couldn't ever have won unless they killed him - which they did.

He's called 1. Philosopher Emperor (IIRC the only other Roman Emperor to be called that was the Antonine Marcus Aurelius) and 2. Warrior Emperor. He was both these things - literally, but in that double sense as well(intellectual + he was the challenge to christianism).

What he really was, was a true, conscious Natural Traditionalist. He knew what he was. Not the slightest bit of confusion or cultural amnesia. Hence no compromising, insubvertible, and was always aware of any conditioning (the kind that was doing the rounds back then, like psecularism) and of removing it. He knew no co-existence was possible with christianism - because it was terrorism, as he himself had experienced in his family and witnessed in what it did to Rome - and that it needed to be rooted out.

In contrast, the BJP has bent over backwards to compromise and to sell Hindu Dharma even when it wasn't even asked to do so, as evidenced by posts #316, #317 above.

QUOTE(ramana @ Feb 20 2009, 02:48 AM)If you juxtapose

Christian = Secular

and that all you mentioned are also foreign to the pagan Romans, you realize its a Julian moment.[right][snapback]94748[/snapback][/right]It may or may not be a Julian moment, but BJP is not Julian to grab it. For BJP, Hindu Dharma seems to be entirely incidental, ignorable and in fact sellable to the lowest bidder.

Also, in the case of the Roman traditionalists, they had been saying since mid 2nd century that jesus never existed and that it was a terrorist cult. They saw a lot of the fraud's manufacture going on right in front of their eyes. In contrast, Hindus are not so aware of jeebus' non-existence and the lethal nature of the death-cult. That's partly due to other Hindus keeping them in darkness - too much drowning out by all those vocalists duped by the psecular sham promoted by christianist PR that "jesus was a deeeep teacher, it's only his followers who are shallow and have misinterpreted the babble-horror".

Dhu's counter-injection of "But Romans did not have Mayawati !!!" is very interesting. Nice dimensioning of the question.

2. http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=8258&SKIN=B
QUOTEModi's new admirer: Ahmedabad's Imam
23/02/2009 15:32:37Â http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/article...8,prtpage-1.cms

AHMEDABAD: Mufti Shabbir Ahmed Siddiqui, the Imam of Ahmedabad's biggest mosque, has found himself alone among the city's Muslim clerics. What has landed the 52-year-old Imam in trouble in his own community is his admiration for Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi.

Siddiqui, a native of Sirsa in Bihar, has been living in Ahmedabad since 1982. The hardliners in the community feel he is soft on the state government with which he has been building bridges in turbulent times.

But Siddiqui is unabashed about his admiration for the CM and would like Modi, already popular among Shia muslims, to gain acceptance among the Sunnis too. The Jama Masjid Imam calls the 2002 riots an "atrocity'' but adds that the projection of the riots was "much graver'' than what had actually happened. "The time has come now to move on. It is seven years since the riots and people have already started forgetting what had happened,'' he told TOI.

The Imam says Modi has ensured peace after 2002 and feels the chief minister has "lived up to the expectations''. "Muslims too have an opportunity to prosper in the peaceful environment that the Modi government has created. Modi has provided an atmosphere which is conducive for those who want to do business in Gujarat,'' he says.

According to Siddiqui, Modi does not need Muslim votes to win the elections. It is up to the Muslims to make friends with the chief minister, he says. "Islam has in the past befriended even bigger fundamentalists,'' he argues, adding Muslims must appreciate the performance of the CM, "if he is good''.

He is also happy that the spread of the hardliner Tablighis in Gujarat, who have created numerous problems for him in recent years, has been checked by the Modi government by blocking the influx of foreign funds through `hawala'. He says his battle with the Tabhlighis for the control of mosques across Gujarat would be won only if the flow of funds from abroad is stopped.Christian lying exposed by an islamic cleric who they forgot to give a copy of the christian script to.

BJP Future - 6 - dhu - 02-24-2009

QUOTEIt may or may not be a Julian moment, but BJP is not Julian to grab it. For BJP, Hindu Dharma seems to be entirely incidental, ignorable and in fact sellable to the lowest bidder.

Husky

IMO, the anguished undertakings of philospher-kings have no chance of success against the deviancy represented by Christianism, since Chistianism is actually the King masquerading as pauper. The soft Hindutva of Mayawati is a chance of success. Even BJP came from these roots. Just very recently Karanataka BJP decided to bring anti-conversion bill.

BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 02-26-2009

When the BJP lost the election in 2004 it went to a rigor mortis nationally from which it never recovered even though the party in some states did good work. The defeat was not taken as an opportunity for the national leadership to be reconstituted. It went into bureaucratic 'seniority' mode and let an octogenarian of the distant past and root in Karachi whose sole preoccupation was in the trauma of partition and his inimical vacillation between Gandhism and Hindutva, to lead the party. The idea floated was that he would keep the warring next gen from dividing the party so as to hide his drooling to become the next P.M. After all, all the secularists stake claim on these kind of pretexts rather than being qualified to lead a huge country with an emerging economy. Unfortunately all the political parties including the BJP never relied or trusted on grassroot democracy which would have shown each leader in the party his place of pride. Advani's praising of Jinnah got him no discernible punishment except a gentle slap in the wrist. Thus even a momentous occasion to reorganize the party was squandered.

My suggestion is for the party to go into democratic reorganization and unequivocally state its goal of establishing a Hindu Raashtra and abandon any pretense to secularism of the anti-Hindus. Unlike the last time the new parliament may not be gracious to give the secularists a five year term. So a reorganized and renewed party of the Hindus can win a state constitutionally or even otherwise.

If the BJP is unwilling to do this, Hindus will definitely found a new party to represent them.

BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 02-26-2009

On the website of Geo TV (Pakistanâs Premier English News Channel), there is advertisements to elect Advani if want to see India stand taller! See for yourself.

Advani for Pakistan

BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 02-27-2009

It is advantage NDA in LS polls

QUOTENEW DELHI: Big and uncertain states like Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and West Bengal will determine the final outcome of the Lok Sabha polls, besides UP and Bihar where small shifts will make all the difference in the formation of the 15th Lok Sabha.

As per the study conducted by Economic and Political Weekly, the Congress-led UPA and the BJP-led NDA cannot sweep the polls, nor can they be swept aside in the coming elections. What will decide the final outcome is the result in every single seat, the smallest of shifts.

With the decline in the incumbency factor, the NDA has an edge over the UPA, since there are as many as 84 seats that are under the former, which includes Uttarakhand, Gujarat, Punjab and Bihar, while only 55 seats are under the UPA, including Tamil Nadu
, Assam, Goa, which will stand for a mid-term review.

It is advantage NDA when it comes to the States where elections were recently held - in states like Jammu & Kashmir, Rajasthan, Delhi, Mizoram, Nagaland, Puducherry, Karnataka, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh and also Himachal Pradesh, Tripura and Meghalaya. In these 116 Lok Sabha seats, the BJP has a slight advantage, because 72 of these seats are in states where the party will press its probationary advantage.

The UPA has a bigger stake in the States which go to the polls simultaneously with the State elections or after a year. Under this category come Andhra Pradesh, Haryana, Sikkim, Orissa, Jharkhand, Maharashtra and Arunachal Pradesh, which account for 137 seats in the Lok Sabha. Orissa is the only NDAruled state. Since these states are not the routine oscillation states, it is not easy to project the outcome simply on past performance and pattern.

In Andhra Pradesh a new political formation (Chiranjeeviâs Praja Rajyam) has cropped up and in Haryana, Bhajan Lalâs Haryana Janhit Congress could lead to a new configuration of the party system.

While in Jharkhand there could be an unpredictable response due to the political mess, in Maharashtra and Orissa the ruling coalitions have a long incumbency to defend.

BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 02-27-2009

BJP is upbeat as its own survey predicts 170-180 seats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4mCqbJ7dSQ...re=channel_page

BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 02-27-2009

On the website of Geo TV
@saivthri
unlike traditional media the ads on internet work differently.
the ads i see on a webpage may be different to what you see on the same webpage.

BJP Future - 6 - Bodhi - 02-27-2009

you mean the this ad is pushed to the paki site inadvertently, without knowledge of the lka site owners?

is paki site not earing revenue from the ad?

BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 02-27-2009

QUOTE(Swamy G @ Feb 19 2009, 09:32 AM)Mudy: That is what I said, some of them even get paid. The big ones at least. So BJP or any well wisher of BJP not do the same?
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Liberals/Commie they survive on creating deamons, as they created Advani in 90s and Modi in last 7 years and common entity is Hindus. They mock these deamons and create hate generation or society. This is straight from Karl Marx.
BJP should apply same strategy, they should create deamons in opposition party and use it everyday.

BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 03-02-2009

QUOTE(kharavela @ Feb 27 2009, 02:05 AM)BJP is upbeat as its own survey predicts 170-180 seats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4mCqbJ7dSQ...re=channel_page
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The details after analyzing the above is as follows:

CODE
State Â Â Â Â BJP -Low Â BJP-Max Â INC-Max Â INC-Optimum Â INC-realistic
Andhra Â Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â 25 Â Â Â Â 18 Â Â Â Â Â Â 15
Arunachal Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â Â Â 0
Assam Â Â Â Â Â Â 5 Â Â Â Â 6 Â Â Â Â 5 Â Â Â Â 5 Â Â Â Â Â Â 4
Bihar Â Â Â Â Â Â 8 Â Â Â Â 11 Â Â Â Â 3 Â Â Â Â 3 Â Â Â Â Â Â 2
Chattisgarh Â Â 10 Â Â Â Â 10 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â Â Â 1
Delhi Â Â Â Â Â Â 3 Â Â Â Â 4 Â Â Â Â 4 Â Â Â Â 4 Â Â Â Â Â Â 3
Goa Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â Â Â 1
Gujarat Â Â Â Â 24 Â Â Â Â 24 Â Â Â Â 2 Â Â Â Â 2 Â Â Â Â Â Â 2
Haryana Â Â Â Â Â 3 Â Â Â Â 3 Â Â Â Â 4 Â Â Â Â 3 Â Â Â Â Â Â 2
Himachal Â Â Â Â 3 Â Â Â Â 3 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â Â Â 0
JK Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â Â Â 0
Jharkhand Â Â Â Â 7 Â Â Â Â 9 Â Â Â Â 5 Â Â Â Â 4 Â Â Â Â Â Â 2
Karnataka Â Â Â 20 Â Â Â Â 20 Â Â Â Â 6 Â Â Â Â 6 Â Â Â Â Â Â 4
MP Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 24 Â Â Â Â 24 Â Â Â Â 5 Â Â Â Â 5 Â Â Â Â Â Â 4
Maha Â Â Â Â Â Â 18 Â Â Â Â 18 Â Â Â Â 8 Â Â Â Â 6 Â Â Â Â Â Â 5
NE-Uts-Islands Â 1 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â 5 Â Â Â Â 5 Â Â Â Â Â Â 4
Orissa Â Â Â Â Â 6 Â Â Â Â 6 Â Â Â Â 6 Â Â Â Â 5 Â Â Â Â Â Â 5
Punjab Â Â Â Â Â 3 Â Â Â Â 3 Â Â Â Â 7 Â Â Â Â 6 Â Â Â Â Â Â 5
Rajasthan Â Â Â 15 Â Â Â Â 16 Â Â Â Â 10 Â Â Â Â 10 Â Â Â Â Â Â 9
Tamil Nadu Â Â Â 0 Â Â Â Â 0 Â Â Â Â 2 Â Â Â Â 2 Â Â Â Â Â Â 2
UP Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 18 Â Â Â Â 20 Â Â Â Â 9 Â Â Â Â 8 Â Â Â Â Â Â 7
Uttaranchal Â Â Â 3 Â Â Â Â 3 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â 1 Â Â Â Â Â Â 1
WB Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0 Â Â Â Â 0 Â Â Â Â 5 Â Â Â Â 5 Â Â Â Â Â Â 3
Kerala Â Â Â Â Â 0 Â Â Â Â 0 Â Â Â Â 13 Â Â Â Â 12 Â Â Â Â Â Â 11
Total Â Â Â Â Â 175 Â Â Â 185 Â Â Â 130 Â Â 115 Â Â Â Â Â Â 92

BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 03-02-2009

There are only three states where the Congress seem to get elected in double digits!

Poor Malayaalees and the Bengalis are caught between the devil and the deep sea due to result of their past karma.

Hope Modi could rescue the Maharashtrians out of the morass as this state is lacking a charismatic leader since the demise of Sri Mahajan. Actually this state is there for our asking. With the double incumbency and a people tired of the terrorist attacks due to the appeasement of the Muslims by the Congress-NCP combine as also the divided house of the Shivsenaites with Bal Thakaray spending more time in hospital bed, the situation couldn't be any better for the BJP.

Modi should also give a helping hand to Vasundara Raje in her fight against the moth eaten oldies whose only job of late has been to inflict self-goal on the BJP.

All in all, in spite of the bombastic claims of the Congress and its anti-national secular media, the Congress is on the run and it is easily discernible that it is quite on the wane. However with the help of the rubber stamp president, pliant EC Chawla who would be promoted as the CEC, the corrupt secular media and the money power and goondas the Congress could rig the election in its favour.

BJP Future - 6 - acharya - 03-02-2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsc5Q-fPoHk

BJP Future - 6 - Shambhu - 03-04-2009

"NRIâs (Citizens of India who are non-resident) are a major source of FDI. NRIâs should be allowed and in fact encouraged to vote.

All NRIâs please sign the petition.
http://www.petitiononline.com/VOTENRI/petition.html

Most other countries encourage their non-resident citizens to vote. Singapore has recently expanded it and made it even easier than postal ballots â in New York there will be a polling booth for Overseas Singaporeans. Read about that (at least there is a healthy debate and progress!) at http://antineodem.wordpress.com/2008/02/28...ing-pipedreams/

Please share this with your NRI friends."
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(From an Offstumped comment)

BJP Future - 6 - Shambhu - 03-04-2009

" The truth regarding Xtian population in AP is that they are much more than the official 4% but less than the 19%; probably around 12-13% if we include all the converted folks who still retain their Hindu caste affiliations in the birth and caste certificates.

But if you think they are all voting for YSR, you may be mistaken.

Among the SCs in AP, Mala and Madiga are the two dominant castes, with a lot of Malas being Roman Catholics (in the Coastal belt), whereas CSI is more dominant in Rayalaseema Malas.The Madigas are mostly Hindu/Buddhist, and they are more in number in Telangana.With the MRPS (Madiga Rakshana Porata Samiti) attack on State Congress HQ at the same time as Sonia was addressing an insipid meeting few km away, things are in a turmoil.The Madigas are calling YSR a cheat and are vowing to align with other political forces to defeat Congress. (YSR promised to split SC quota so that Madigas get benefited equally compared to Malas and he didnât do it).

BJP can bring its own Dalit leaders into the fray and get MRPS support.That could tilt a few Telangana seats actually."
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From comment 40 (Kumar) on Offstumped--"India Elections 2009 Countdown Begins"

BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 03-05-2009

QUOTE(Shambhu @ Mar 3 2009, 04:04 PM)" The truth regarding Xtian population in AP is that they are much more than the official 4% but less than the 19%; probably around 12-13% if we include all the converted folks who still retain their Hindu caste affiliations in the birth and caste certificates.

But if you think they are all voting for YSR, you may be mistaken.

Among the SCs in AP, Mala and Madiga are the two dominant castes, with a lot of Malas being Roman Catholics (in the Coastal belt), whereas CSI is more dominant in Rayalaseema Malas.The Madigas are mostly Hindu/Buddhist, and they are more in number in Telangana.With the MRPS (Madiga Rakshana Porata Samiti) attack on State Congress HQ at the same time as Sonia was addressing an insipid meeting few km away, things are in a turmoil.The Madigas are calling YSR a cheat and are vowing to align with other political forces to defeat Congress. (YSR promised to split SC quota so that Madigas get benefited equally compared to Malas and he didnât do it).

BJP can bring its own Dalit leaders into the fray and get MRPS support.That could tilt a few Telangana seats actually."
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From comment 40 (Kumar) on Offstumped--"India Elections 2009 Countdown Begins"
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This information is inaccurate and this kind of information and in general about YSR is misleading the un-informed in a way that is not helping.

Malas and Madigas are the main castes of SC community. There are few more castes like Adi-Dravida etc. They are across AP that includes Rayalaseema and Telangana. There are almost 60 to 70 sub castes inside these SC castes. However, no one goes by those sub-caste names.

Regarding conversion, maximum conversion happened in Coastal AP and next was in Rayalaseema. In Telangana, it was the least.

In AP the conversion was started in the middle castes like Kammas, Reddys and Kapus. These are all forward castes. No one wanted to dilute the caste after the conversion. However all the forward castes that converted were Catholics. These folks possess a lot of money as well and hence you see huge institutions in cities like Guntur and Vijayawada. to keep their identity they named themselves as Robert Chaudary (kammas), joseph reddy (reddys) etc. No inter marriages.

There are very few SCs who converted to Catholics and even if they converted to Catholics, they belong Roman Catholic church. 90% of SCs converted to Protestant church with diffrent names. Malas and Madigas also wanted to keep their identites. Malas converted to Baptist church and Madigas converted to Luthern church.

One more thing and an important one regarding reservations. AP is the only state that has provided reservations for converted dalits. However, it is not under SC category but under Backward Classes. there is a sub category called as BC-C.

SCs are solidly with congress and TDP could not break this block for many reasons which is a larger topic on its own. To break this what TDP did was categorization of SCs as SC-A, SC-B, SC-C etc. As Madigas are more in population they have proposed to give a large portion of the percentage to Madigas. Supreme Court rejected and this needs a legislation in Parliament. NDA government and UPA government did not help and Madigas are now revolting against Congress for cheating. However, inspite of the the revolt, I do not think SCs will vote to anyone except Congress.

By the way the conversions in AP could be about 20% and definitely not less than that and this happend since 1960 and not just under YSR. It is cyberworld's myth that everything happend/increased exponentially during YSR.

BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 03-05-2009

Sangh parivar comes out with all-out support to BJP

BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 03-05-2009

Pawarâs shadow looms over Sena-BJP alliance

BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 03-09-2009

BJP needs at least 10-15 Jonathan Krohn type of people who can deliver and capture the minds of people. And for the sake of sanity hope those 10-15 are above 21. What ever one might accuse Jonathan of, he is talented. We don't need prodigies, we need bright, talented and young folks.

For people unfamiliar with Jonathan, here is a utube clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vz1TVpwme0

BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 03-09-2009

Indian youth lacks political thought process, I developed after moving out of India.
Indian youth had no idea of Principle or ideology and Polictal party failed to give clear view what they stand for.
Even Rush CPAC speech or his first address to nation was just great.

BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 03-09-2009

Orissa is a bastion of Hinduism. There the contradiction is between Hindus and Christians. The BJP got willy-nilly thrown into the vortex to defend the Hindus. The political face of the Christians are the Communists. Patnaik is making the biggest mistake in aligning with the terrorist naxal commies. I think it is good for the BJP that this split has occured. Orissa will go the Karnataka way and BJP will triumph in the end. Patnaik will end up like Deve Gowda of JD(S).

--a comment seen in the Indian Express