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BJP Future - 6 - ramana - 12-13-2008

Forget that idiot.

There is more to think about. The Deccan Chronicle report on YSR's analysis of the five states shows its was the infighting and back stabbing that did the parties in and not the BS. Need to find a way to keep the 'rebels' happy or pay the rpice of their antics. Its no longer fun and games when one party is out to finish the other.

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Ashok Malik

What are the national implications of the five State elections, the votes for which were counted on Monday, December 8? <b>Is India any closer to knowing the voter's mind in regard to the 2009 Lok Sabha contest? Frankly, for all the punditry and instant analysis of the past week -- "anti-incumbency is dead", "performance is rewarded", "terrorism is not an issue", "people want development" -- we just don't know. If anything, the confusion has been compounded.</b>

For both national parties, the glass is half-full. <b>The Congress's creditable victory in Delhi and defeat of a charismatic if divisive Chief Minister in Rajasthan gave it a stronger-than-expected booster shot at a time when the UPA Government looked weak and muddled. </b>

The BJP's return to power in Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh indicates success for the party's federative impulses. Once seen as an entity limited to promotion of a handful of all-India issues, the BJP has demonstrated that it can mean different things in different States, with different, region-friendly faces.

<b>The social and economic conditions in Gujarat, Karnataka and Madhya Pradesh are far apart. Yet, in all of these, the BJP has managed to present itself as a robust State party, with a local leader of some appeal</b>.

However, there are negatives too, and for both parties. <b>The Congress's inability to put up a united front in Madhya Pradesh and lack of options to the controversial Mr Ajit Jogi in Chhattisgarh signal potential long-term decline. </b>

<b>When a formerly dominant party goes out of power for 10 years in a State, it finds recovery very difficult. </b>The Congress's own predicament in, say, Orissa is there for all to see. If defeatism grips the party in Bhopal and Raipur, the consequences could be catastrophic.

<b>For the BJP, the hard lesson of the December 2008 State elections has come from Delhi. A small city-State, almost entirely urban and with all the trappings of a national capital, Delhi is not representative of India. It is, at best, a snapshot of the urban middle and upper classes that constitute the 'creamy layer' of the Indian electorate.</b>

However, <b>in many respects, the problems the BJP encountered in Delhi, and which saw it sinking to a humiliating defeat, were a microcosm of the party's larger predicament. They reflected its wrenching effort to effect generational change and fine-tune its platform for a contemporary constituency. </b>

In that sense, <b>the Delhi defeat </b>was not the defeat of one individual or candidate or election manager; it <b>was the defeat of old BJP, unequal to the task of responding to new India</b>. Some of these issues are going to handicap the party in 2009 too, as it prepares for the Lok Sabha election.

<b>There were three factors that held back the BJP in Delhi.</b> One, the veto on candidate selection was left -- as it had been in most of the States the BJP won in the past few years -- to the local leadership, the chief ministerial nominee and the State unit strongman. <b>In Delhi, overconfidence perhaps got the better of these individuals.</b>

Having convinced themselves that the election would end up being a referendum on the performance of the Union Government, <b>due diligence was neglected while deciding upon nominees. Below-par personal favourites -- whether generational or factional -- beat more deserving candidates to the party symbol. Demographic expansiveness was not deemed a priority, not even entirely understood.</b>

The results of leaving candidate selection to either out-of-touch leaders or entrenched but essentially outmoded party bureaucrats are now obvious. <b>It is for the BJP to guarantee this disaster is not repeated in any future election.</b>

Second, more than most other political traditions,<b> the BJP and its extended family have spent long periods agonising over the relative importance of personalities, parties and platforms at election time.</b> There is, of course, no template for the right proportion; it varies from election to election.

Yet, all three have to work together to achieve success. <b>Where there is dissonance between any two factors -- in Rajasthan, for instance -- a perfectly winnable election is lost. Delhi had a similar, though not quite exact, tragedy to relate.</b>

After 10 years of the Congress, with urban infrastructure under severe pressure and with the Chief Minister seemingly tired and jaded, Delhi was ripe for change, or so it seemed even three months ago. <b>Logically, the BJP should have contrasted the local Government and its legacy with a vision for the future -- 'building a metro for the 21st century' and so on. As others have put it, a positive, forward-looking campaign, a new civic sensibility, was needed -- not merely a list of the Congress's shortcomings.</b>

There is one fallacy to this post-facto analysis -- did the BJP have the face for such a campaign? Could it have sold audacious, high-octane dreams to Delhiites and simultaneously offered them the chief ministry of Mr Vijay Kumar Malhotra, born in 1931? It may sound rude and even flippant, but in the age of Twenty20 fans (and voters), <b>why was the BJP insistent on offering a candidate who was born before India played even Test cricket?</b>

<b>Third, politics is an inherently dynamic phenomenon.</b> Fifteen years ago, in a large swathe of India, the BJP moved ahead of the Congress because it pushed forward a younger crop of leaders -- new ideas, new voices and new energies. These mirrored the yearnings of the contemporary voter.

<b>Today, as the Delhi episode bears out, the party is a lion in winter. It is the new Congress. The leadership is past 75; the so-called second generation (55-65 years) is being kept from the frontline. A traffic jam has occurred as those further down the path are being pushed back. A symptom of this was the party's unwillingness to allow even multi-term municipal councillors to contest the Delhi Assembly election.</b>

In recent years, the Congress's obsession with empowering the ND Tiwari-Arjun Singh generation became the subject of ridicule. It also made the party look out of touch and cost it popular appeal. In Delhi, the BJP made the same mistake. Unless it is careful, its rivals will use this argument against it in 2009 as well.

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This is that geriatric gap.


BJP Future - 6 - G.Subramaniam - 12-13-2008

The main problem in BJP is insufficient ideology
In the CPM, the party controls the legislators

The BJP rebels, unmotivated workers etc are all too well of the danger of
islam and EJ, yet they choose to undercut the BJP for short term personal gain

I feel more ideological screening in BJP will help



BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 12-13-2008

GSub: Well said. They need to provide a sense of purpose or a cause to the common man. If they act like any other party, it is not going to work in their favor for a long time.

I wish they hire efficient Public Relations or Campaign Managers.


BJP Future - 6 - G.Subramaniam - 12-13-2008

The BJP rebels are in fact a micro-cosm of the failures of wider hindu society

The muslim votes for anyone who will spread darul-islam
The xtian votes for anyone who allows unrestricted conversion

The common hindu must vote for anyone who will contain islam and xtianity


The common hindu refuses to rent to muslims
Mostly refuses to let a muslim into his house
Voting for bjp is a later stage of the hindu realisation project


BJP Future - 6 - G.Subramaniam - 12-13-2008

The hindus who vote secular will not wakeup even if the muslim puts a baby in his daughter's belly


BJP Future - 6 - G.Subramaniam - 12-14-2008

Regarding stupidity of hindus

A wise man would read the koran and understand what will happen
An average man will wake up after seeing what the koran did to his neighbors
An animal will understand after being attacked by koranists

The hindu is dumber than an animal not to understand what is happening even after 1400 years of assaults


BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 12-14-2008

Hindus will vote as a united Hindu block only when Hindus are reduced to minority. Until they sense a loss of power or perceive a threat to them, they would vote based on other issues. Maybe we have to wait till the World becomes little more adharmic.


BJP Future - 6 - Bharatvarsh - 12-14-2008

Well G.Sub forget about average Hindus, we have self proclaimed experts on a certain well known forum who think that if Pakis all became Zen Buddhists they would be just as much of a terrorist state they are now, then people wonder why India gets hit like a punching bag in a gym ...

These shameless scum cant even grasp the fundamental reasons for why the nation was partitioned in 1947, the British supplied the necessary support but the impulse for that separation was already there because of a certain religion, and until this is understood by a majority of Indians they shall be the punching bag for Pakis.

If every Paki became a Hindu or humanist or whatever bla bla bla except a religion of peace/religion of love follower, then there will be reunification within a few years, and these assholes want us to believe that religion is not part of the problem. Ya I am pretty sure Pakistani Jains will be blowing themselves up for virgins ....

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, and people who cant face the issues head on love to invoke blind territorial patriotism and try to portray the Pakis as somehow genetically inclined to be terrorists because they are too cowardly to face the truth, i am pretty sure there was no terrorism coming from there when that area was Hindu or Buddhist.


BJP Future - 6 - Pandyan - 12-14-2008

SwamyG -

Hindus will continue to be dumb as rocks as evidenced by all the other countries where they have been shafted and were minorities. Acting up on and imagining that Hindus will magically become enlightened by being reduced to minority status in their own country is equivalent to committing collective suicide. Here is the exact quote that BhV is referring to. With morons like this, no wonder India ever amounts to nothing more than a defenseless hooer being passed around on the international stage.

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BJP Future - 6 - Bodhi - 12-14-2008

<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Dec 14 2008, 07:07 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Dec 14 2008, 07:07 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->These shameless scum cant even grasp the fundamental reasons for why the nation was partitioned in 1947, the British supplied the necessary support but the impulse for that separation was already there because of a certain religion, and until this is understood by a majority of Indians they shall be the punching bag for Pakis.

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, and people who cant face the issues head on love to invoke blind territorial patriotism and try to portray the Pakis as somehow genetically inclined to be terrorists because they are too cowardly to face the truth, i am pretty sure there was no terrorism coming from there when that area was Hindu or Buddhist.
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the folks dont want to go a level deeper into the very idea called Pakistan the land of pure. Or why that country names their missiles "Ghori", "Gaznavi" or "Abdali" and their ports after ibn-Qasim - neither of which had any "territorial" connection with Pakistan! In fact these idols they worship were as much an invader into Pakistan too! And why they despise the genuine produce of their territory, the likes of Ranjit Singh!

Folks simply dont want to understand the idea of Pakistan, and because they dont want to, they also dont recognize the "exact" same replica of that very pattern still at work in the very same manner and in the very same device, all over again in India!!!

I recently came across a Report of 1931 Commission of Congress leaders that was formed to investigate the causes of a large scale Hindu-Muslim rioting that took place in Kanpur city that year in which many thousands were killed. The commission which sent its report to Patel (the then General Secretary of congress?), comprised of many prominent figures, the likes of PD Tandon etc.

So as I read this report, it is clear to me that these folks had absolute zero understanding of the history and ideology of Islam at work, and they obviousely and naturally failed to frame a propoer and appropriate response to it, which later resulted in vivisection of India and birth of a muslim land! And what is more, the recommendations by the committee were based in some ideas of a possible brotherhood; senile and hollow hope that some sort of secular patriotism can overcome all these "tentions", and that "Muslim Brothers" can be reconciled in Indian Nationalism only if Hindus made concessions (of, e.g., allowing cows to be butchered albeit in a denoted areas of every muhalla; not objecting to, even promoting, "inter-faith" marriages; not indulging in activities like Shuddhi Movement of Arya Samaj etc.)...

One can see the continuity of this senile force of willful ignorance even to this date! It is strange that Hindus' understanding of Islam is becoming more and more obscured with the passage of days, rather than evolve in maturity. Surely the older generation of Hindus had a lot better understanding of it. Just read the previous pre-Gandhi Congress leaders like Tilak and Lajpat Rai -- they are absolutely clear about Islam!! And compare it with that of Gandhi, (even Bose, Tagore, and others)!

On the other hand, Islam is very clear of its ideas, goals and means! Very focussed on it without losing sight! Its both amazing and freightening!


BJP Future - 6 - Husky - 12-14-2008

Hindus should stop thinking of merely surviving. We have to think and plan as a dominant force in the world in order to become one.

Of course, will admit there's a chance (a one in a zillion chance) for an amazingly freaky accident of nature to happen that allows us to eventually thrive again by doing absolutely nothing now (e.g. the implosion of christoislamicommunipsecularism later this very evening). But statistically speaking, this is highly unlikely. Yet the way the collective Hindu tribe seems to be going about their future it looks like they they have placed all their bets on this scenario.

Hindus have to stop being fatalistic, passive. Fate is guided by endeavour (Bhishma, Hindu scriptures agree); it favours those who think boldly, plan boldly, act boldly.
"Ce sera sera" applies only after you have tried absolutely everything. Though there is only so much in our hands and the rest is a complex interaction of timing, circumstance, coincidence/luck, Hindus still refuse to take responsibility for even that part which <i>does</i> lie in our power.

How can I miss out on the opportunity to beat people over the head with this beauty again:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Both complement each other; fate and effort, A small fire fanned by air grows very big; so does the power of fate aided by effort."
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Anything is within Hindus' reach. My frustration only stems from seeing the amount of inertia in the visibles and vocals, and from learning of how the terrorists and alien tyrants are tying up the hands of those that do resist.


Nationalism, patriotism will get Hindus nowhere. It is meaningless, there's no real force behind it, only a weak idea.
The one strength in Hindus - and it is more than merely a unifying factor (though that's an effect not to be underestimated in itself) - is our Hindu Dharma. And the core, the heart, the spark of life in our Dharma is the same as what drove the Sri Amarnath Movement. It is what procured our victories in ages past.
Hindus need to act for their people, their ancestors and their Gods. Hindus' thoughts now being centred merely and solely on short term survival is an alien imposition, we've been conditioned to do that (compare with how the global christoislamic ummah of sheep does not think like that, but rather plans big instead and sets their plans in motion).

It is also not how our ancestors thought. The greater picture always mattered. But Hindus today have been blinkered, by the psecular PR favouring christoislamism and demonising Hindu Dharma (through psecular media and education). Psecularism is like a contaminated vaccine intended only to weaken the Hindus/Dharmics and produce no affect on christoislamics. While they still swear unrelenting allegiance to their non-existent jeebusjehovallah even as they proclaim their psecularism, it is only the modern psecularised 'Hindoo' that takes pride in saying our Dharma is negotiable and our Gods a myth. People who have no principles or can not stick to them will be blown by the wind.


Can't resist copying and pasting this again - the expressive Hindu Hero M Venkatesan:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->'I could not help viewing Periyar's uncivilised and barbarous attacks upon <b>my chosen Gods and Goddesses and my own Hindu faith</b> as wanton attacks on <b>my dear and sacred mother who begot me</b>. My search into the works of Periyar and my extensive reading of all his articles gave a rude cultural shock to me. I was greatly dismayed by the hellish hatred of Periyar towards my faith and towards <b>my chosen Gods and Goddesses</b>'.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Someone who will not be swayed from his principles and will not be estranged from his Hindu Dharma. It is clear what (who <!--emo&Smile--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->) drives him to defend his=my sacred Mother, and he does an excellent job. Rather like Aurobindo's speech on "Sanatana Dharma, that is (our) nationalism". The impulse or force driving Venkatesan and Aurobindo is the same.


BJP Future - 6 - Bharatvarsh - 12-14-2008

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->senile and hollow hope that some sort of secular patriotism can overcome all these "tentions", and that "Muslim Brothers" can be reconciled in Indian Nationalism only if Hindus made concessions <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Even in this, the pre independence Hindu leaders had a better idea, remember what Savarkar said:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->When Gandhi declared Hindu-Muslim unity to be more important than Swaraj itself and started granting ever-increasing concessions to the Muslims, Savarkar observed, "When will our unity-hankers understand that the real question at the root of this Moslem displeasure is not a word here or a song there! We would have sacrificed a dozen songs or a hundred words of our own free will if thereby we could really contribute to the unity and solidarity of Hindusthan. But we know the question is not so simple as that. It is the strife of different cultures and races and nations and these trifles are but the passing and outward symptoms of this malady deep seated in the Moslem mind. They want to brand the forehead of Hindudom and other non-Moslem sections in Hindusthan with the stamp of self-humiliation and Moslem domination and we Hindus are not going to tolerate it any longer not only in the interests of Hindudom alone but even in the interest of Indian nation as well...Let the Hindus realize that the real cause of this mischief is nothing else but the hankering of the Hindus after the Willow-the Wisp of a Hindu-Moslem unity. The day we gave the Mohammedans to understand that Swaraj could not be won unless and until the Mohammedans obliged the Hindus by making a common cause with them, that day we rendered an honourable unity impossible. When an overwhelming majority in a country goes on its knees before a minority so antagonistic as the Mohammedans, imploring them to lend a helping hand and assures it that otherwise the major community is doomed to death, it would be a wonder if a minor community does not sell their assistance to the highest bidder possible, does not hasten the doom of the major community and aim to establish their own political suzerainty in the land" (ibid, Karnavati, 1937).

Savarkar had prophesized that the Muslim problem would remain in independent India. He said, "…We must watch (the Moslem minority) in all its actions with the greatest distrust possible. Granting them on the one hand every equitable treatment which an Indian citizen can claim on an equality of footing with another, we must sternly refuse them any the least preferential treatment in any sphere of life - religious, cultural or political. Not only while we are engaged in our struggle for liberating India but even after India is free we must look upon them as suspicious friends and take great care to see that the Northern Frontiers of India are well guarded by staunch and powerful Hindu forces to avoid the possible danger of the Indian Moslems going over to the alien Moslem nations across the Indus and betraying our Hindusthan to our non-Hindu foes" (Presidential address to the 20th session of the Hindu Mahasabha, Nagpur, 1938).

In his Presidential address to the 19th session of the Hindu Mahasabha, Karnavati, 1937, Savarkar laid down the Hindu formula for Hindu-Moslem unity thus - 'if you come, with you; if you don't without you; and if you oppose, in spite of you - the Hindus will continue to fight for their National Freedom as best as they can'!

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This was when Hindus were only 73%, now with the lopping off of a huge chunk of land Hindus are 80% in India and yet we are told that unless we cajole and beg this 13% "minority" we would be doomed. The same stupidity continues on again after 60 years ...


BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 12-15-2008

Pandyan: In the same forum, when there was some talk of reunification I said it should be done only if the people converted to one of the following: Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism or Jainsim.



BJP Future - 6 - ramana - 12-16-2008

I think the UPA will now go after the BJP with hammer and tongs as they got exonerated by Parliament committee setup to investigate bribery during the votes for cash scam. They let off the SP leaders and will now go after the BJP. By the time the elections will be over.

Link:
http://www.dailypioneer.com/143863/‘Power-...the-truth’.html

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>‘Power play has choked the truth’</b>

Pioneer News Service | New Delhi

<b>Opp livid over clean chit to Amar, Reoti Raman, Ahmed Patel</b>

<b>Samajwadi Party leader Amar Singh and Congress veteran Ahmed Patel have been absolved of the charges of bribing three Bharatiya Janata Party MPs to save the UPA Government during the July 22 trust vote.</b> The decision has drawn sharp criticism from the Opposition, which has claimed that the truth had become a victim of power play.

Submitting its conclusions, <b>a parliamentary panel which probed the matter under the chairpersonship of Congress MP V Kishore Chandra Deo, found “no case” against Ahmed Patel.</b> It noted that his alleged complicity in the episode was based on “presumptions and surmises”. The panel laid its report in the Lok Sabha on Monday.

<b>The committee also found “no conclusive proof” against Amar Singh even as it maintained that “there was nothing to show that money was offered for voting in favour of the motion of confidence or for abstaining from voting”.</b>

A disappointed Ashok Argal - one of the three BJP MPs who were allegedly bribed - said, “The truth did not come to the fore.” Two members of the panel dissociated themselves from the committee’s decision to give the clean chit to Patel and Singh and gave a dissenting note. <b>The committee, however, recommended that a probe by an “appropriate investigating agency” be carried out into the roles of Sanjeev Saxena, an aide of Amar Singh; Suhail Hindustani, a self-proclaimed BJP worker; and Sudheendra Kulkarni, an aide of BJP leader LK Advani.</b>

Speaker Somnath Chatterjee had constituted a seven-member committee after three BJP MPs -- Ashok Argal, Mahavir Bhagora and Faggan Singh Kulaste — shocked the House by bringing in a huge bag and displaying bundles of currency stashed inside it.

They alleged that Singh and Patel had offered them bribes, amounting to Rs 3 crore each, for abstaining from voting in support of the Government during the trust vote. The two had denied the charge in the media.

<b>In its 466-page report tabled in the Lok Sabha on Monday, the committee said, “As there is no case against Patel and no clinching evidence against Amar Singh, there is no occasion for the committee or the House to make a request to the Rajya S</b>abha requiring them to appear before the inquiry committee for evidence.”

In his dissenting note, BJP’s VK Malhotra said, “If investigation by any specialised investigating agency against Sanjeev Saxena, as is recommended in the report, establishes that he came with the money on behalf of Amar Singh, it would contradict the exoneration of Amar Singh….”

CPI(M)’s Mohammad Salim said it would be improper to limit the scope for further investigation and exclude some important names from the ambit of investigating by an appropriate agency. “The committee should not pass any judgement on this matter and must recommend that the entire matter be probed,” he said. He also wanted that the committee should recommend to the Speaker that the cases of Singh and Patel be referred to the Rajya Sabha chairman so that “appropriate measures” to deal with their cases could be initiated.

<b>The committee noted that Kulkarni had, on his own admission, masterminded the whistle-blowing operation and held that “as facts reveal, he facilitated in the giving of bribes to the members”.</b>

“The justification put forth by him (Kulkarni) for conceptualising the operation has been found to be unconvincing,” the committee stated, adding that Hindustani, a “volunteer” in the operation, “does not appear to be above board”.

The committee was also of the view that the role and involvement of Sanjeev Saxena, who was the bribe-giver “wittingly or unwittingly”, needed to be further investigated. “Since the committee does not have the wherewithal of an investigating agency, it would be in the fitness of things if the matter is inquired into by an investigating agency,” the report said.

<b>On the role of another Samajwadi Party MP, Reoti Raman Singh, who Argal had claimed had come to the latter’s house after midnight, the committee gave him also a clean chit.</b>

Taking into consideration all the facts and circumstances, the panel said that even if Reoti Raman Singh’s admission that “the requisite numbers were made up” were to be true, these alone cannot be taken as conclusive evidence of his having offered money to the three BJP MPs.

Noting that the case owed its genesis to a whistle-blowing operation conducted in association with a TV channel, the committee appreciated all endeavours -- whether called sting operations or whistle-blowing operations -- which attempt to pave the way for cleansing the political system. However, it recommended to the Centre that steps should be initiated for laying norms and guidelines for sting operations .

Cash-for-vote scam

Amar Singh (SP general secretary): Neither from the tapes furnished by CNN IBN nor from any material on record has it been possible to come to a conclusive finding linking Amar Singh with the delivery of the money through Sanjeev Saxena. There is no conclusive proof

Ahmed Patel (Political Secretary to Sonia Gandhi): There is no iota of evidence either in the tapes or in any of the depositions made by the witnesses...which may conclusively prove his involvement

Reoti Raman Singh (SP MP): Even if it were on the request of Argal, Singh's proposal to take him and two other BJP members to facilitate their joining the SP could be perceived as an attempt to induce some members to defect...; the timing of his meeting Argal at his residence does have the potential to raise doubts over the purpose of the visit

Sanjeev Saxena (An aide of Amar Singh): His role and evidence have been most collusive. The committee finds the evidence against Sanjeev Saxena both baffling as well as intriguing, to say the least. His role and involvement need to be further investigated

Suhail Hindustani (A self-proclaimed BJP activist): Doubts do persist with regard to his role, if any, in arranging for money in question. The matter needs to be probed by investigating agencies

<b>Sudheendra Kulkarni </b>(An aide of LK Advani): On his own admission, he masterminded the impugned whistle-blowing operation. He also admitted to being an active votary of the proposal that the money be placed on the table of the House. The justification put forth by him for conceptualising the operation has been found to be unconvincing. As facts reveal, Kulkarni facilitated in the giving of bribe to the members.

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So the committee acquits teh SP party folks and recommends investigating the BJP . What more does the UPA need to go after them!


BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 12-16-2008

On one side Congress is saying no crime committed and on otherhand investigate victim.
Fools are Indian public who are voting for them.



BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 12-16-2008

It is amazing that many sincere Hindus continue to believe in the BJP as their political representative while the experience has shown otherwise. In Delhi they selected another 77 year old who cannot even remember his own name to lead the party banking on caste votes while the Congress outdid them by purchasing those caste leaders who ploughed the vote-banks to that party. In Rajasthan even stalwart BJP men have betrayed Raje. And the BJP continues to yearn for non-Hindu votes and vows to be secular.

When congress does this you call it anti-Hindu and what kind of zombies are you to call BJP a Hindu political party when it merely copies Congress political tactics? And not a word is wispered when tall leaders betray the party and continue to be tall leaders!

I get fed with the rumours that Sonia is ordering the arrest of hundreds and hundreds of Sadhus, Sadhvis all over the country on trumpeted charges of Hindu terrorism just before the election and of course BJP would mouth some protests and let the Congress win again. Haven't the Hindus learnt anything from the banning of the RSS after Gandhi's assasination.

It is high time the Acharya Sabha comes out to found a very serious Hindu party that would not too much bank on coming to power through corrupt political system foisted on us that makes only corrupt people to come to power.

Hindus should remind themselves that we celeberate Deepavali. Is it not a celeberation of Narakasura Vadham and Ravana Vadham? Gandhi was the modern Narakasura and Ravana combined. Hope they remember that when they celeberate their next Deepavali.


BJP Future - 6 - G.Subramaniam - 12-16-2008

The reliance on sudheendra kulkarni is fatal

Kulkarni was a full fledged commie

To become a communist one first needs to work in pro-commie front organisations for years and only later is one admitted into commie party


BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 12-16-2008

Kulkarni's still speaking on behalf of LKA. Just last week in US on Mumbai issue, see here



BJP Future - 6 - Guest - 12-17-2008

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With Advani and his higgledy-piggledy promiscuous group Hindus are victims with cannon ball rivetted to their foot. I dread to think of the results of the next gen. elections with the BJP claiming to represent the Hindus. The Muslims, Christians and the secularists will be crowing from every tree top.

We don't have a magic wand to change things in a short time but atleast we can accept the outcome in advance and prepare ourselves to give up the illusion about working within the putrid constituion.

No more secularists betrayers in our midst.


BJP Future - 6 - Shambhu - 12-17-2008

The current BJP has over the years lost effectiveness. Still, we need to get BJP in ar the center for 2 reasons:

1. It is still better than the congress on conversion/terror issues (not by much, but still better)

2. We can always improve BJP of 2014 to be better than BJP of 2009. But this needs to be done while BJP 0f 2009 is at the center.

See how muslims consolidate power? They will take an inch when they get it, that will patiently wait for the whole mile. We need to show the same hard-headedness, and not blow up out small gains with infighting.