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Historicity of Jesus - 2 - ramana - 03-19-2008

Obituary of Rapahel Patai in New York TImes

How I wish they had invented the wordprocessor before 1980!


Google Books Link to The Hebrew Goddess by Patai


Wiki on Arianism

Dhu, Please give refs to any scholars who think Islam was to evangelize the interior Arabs for I too have come to that conclusion.
My take is that its a form of evangelism and that Muhammad had to take into account the local knowldege of the Semitic people while crafting the message. They already knew a lot of the Abraham story and about the transformation of the Jewish history through the ages. He had to tell them he was the last Prophet.


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 03-20-2008

ANE-2 yahoo

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->...
My book has a chapter dealing extensively with the Table of Nations.<b> The division of the nations of the eastern Mediterranean among the descendants of Shem, Ham, and Japhet corresponds closely to political boundaries after 278 BCE, with Shem corresponding to Seleucid holdings, Ham to Ptolemaic holdings, and Japhet corresponding to territories falling outside the boundaries of the aforementioned. </b>I would point out in particular that Lydia was joined politically to Syria and Mesopotamia after 278 BCE (and indeed that Sardis was the first Seleucid capital). The grouping of Lydia with the peoples of Mesopotamia is inexplicable at an earlier date, as there is neither ethnic nor linguistic connection. The listing of nations bordering the Red Sea appears to reflect the coastal explorations conducted at the initiative of Ptolemy II Philadelphus.
..
Russell Gmirkin<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - ramana - 03-20-2008

What is the context and what does it mean? Thanks, ramana

Google Books_Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus: Hellenistic Histories and the Date of the Pentetuech... By Russell E. Gmirkin




Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 03-20-2008

Ramana, following is an amazon review of gmirkin. Gmirkin does not understand the concept of a false flag operation. Even Protocols of Zion painted Jews positively as supreme controllers.

forum link

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This stunning book presents a theory, argued in meticulous detail, that proposes the who, when, and why the Pentateuch was written. Gmirkin argues on a number of grounds for an early 3rd century BC _terminus a quo_ (no earlier than) date of production of the Pentateuch. These arguments would stand whether or not there was a viable scenario at that time, but it happens there is an excellent one: the traditions surrounding production of the Greek Septuagint. Like Sherlock Holmes solving a vexing mystery, Gmirkin snaps the conclusion into place: the Hebrew Pentateuch was produced as a sort of cultural studies project/grant from the Egyptian ruler Ptolemy II, who gave Jewish scholars access to the famous Library of Alexandria, from which these Jewish scholars wrote their history of the Jewish people. The traditional source analysis of J, P, E, and D, Gmirkin argues, reflects collation of input into the final documents, like the production of work done by a committee. (That is, Gmirkin accepts multiple sources going into the Pentateuch, but dates each of them to early 3rd century BC, on the basis of argument.) In this revolutionary thesis of how the Pentateuch was written, Gmirkin argues, for example, that the biblical exodus story was a Jewish response to Manetho's anti-semitic story of the expulsion of lepers from Egypt, and not the other way around as has traditionally been supposed.

Gmirkin then argues that the Hebrew version of the Pentateuch was translated into Greek contemporary with its Hebrew production. (Compare Josephus's later publication of his 1st century AD _Wars_ first in Aramaic and then in Greek, nearly simultaneously, as a later parallel.) The legendary tradition of the Septuagint's production in the _Letter of Aristeas_, Gmirkin argues, is actually a garbled tradition of the production and publication of the Pentateuch itself. That is, a known tradition of the Pentateuch's time, place, and circumstances of production has been in plain view all this time, but has heretofore not been recognized as such.

Note that Gmirkin's thesis on the date of composition of the Pentateuch does not address issues of historicity of the contents of the Pentateuch, which could contain accurate information concerning the past or be highly legendary or some mixture thereof, depending on the quality of the 3rd century BC Jewish scholars' sources in the Library of Alexandria. That is a distinct set of issues, separate from the issue of date and place of production and publication.

Gmirkin addresses matters such as linguistic dating, illusory reasons why the Pentateuch has been thought to have been in existence prior to 3rd century BC, and so on. Gmirkin's thesis is stunning in its simplicity and coherence, such that informed readers are sure to ask after reading it, "Why didn't I think of that?" There is sure to be a wild ride of scholarly discussion and controversy over Gmirkin's thesis and argument. This is one of the most important studies of this decade for those interested in historical-critical questions concerning the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - Husky - 03-30-2008

I never saw this before - what a gaffe on the part of the early christos:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/buddha.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>500 Witnesses</b>

<i>"After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep."
1 Corinthians 15:6</i>

Buddhist tradition states that shortly after the passing away of the Buddha five hundred of his Arhats and disciples met in council at Rajagaha for the purpose of recalling to mind the truths they had heard directly from their hero during the forty-five years of his teachings.

The Coptic biblical text actually identifies the 500 as 'Indian Brahmans'!
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(These Brahmans are Buddhists, not the Hindu kind. The early Buddhists were overwhelmingly from Brahmana background, and therefore the term Brahmanas was in that time often used for the Buddhists as well.)

Guess the plagiarists working on manufacturing christian scripture forgot to rigorously edit the early editions of their works - like the above coptic text - to avoid such embarassing pointers to the originals they stole it from. Thank gawd the versions in the official edition of the bible (canon) have made the necessary correction, thus obscuring the tell-tale source.


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 03-31-2008

Husky

1. There was community of Therapeuts at Alexandria.
2. Septuagint was compiled in committee in Alexandria under direction of Ptolemy II.
3. Ptolemy II Philadelphus is recorded by Pliny the Elder (NT propagandist) as having sent an embassy to the Sandrokottos court.
4. Titus' guru Apollonius of Tyana (Pythogorean) also had an express relation to india; in fact this is what mcellivey's work was all about.
5. The relationship between Titus and Apollonius is enigmatic. Apollonius is placed on trial by Domitian.
6. Pythagoras is vegetarian, depicted with turban, etc
7. Buddhism advances in all directions except west, where there is a void taken in by Christianity.

There are simply too many intersections. In normative envorment, Mara tranforms into the (un)principled Satan. Remember we are told there is no Satan in "Judaism" - actually it is a most intriguing admission for an "abrahamic". Buddhist influence and any attributed/imagined geopolitical objectives of buddhism are ecclipsed with the counter-fashioning of Christianity.

Following is a valuable view into how Indians had dismissed Greek enquiries.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->http://arvindsharma.wordpress.com/
Finally, we have the following account of the meeting of an Indian with Socrates:
   <i>Eusebius preserves a tradition, which he attributes to a contemporary, the
   well-known writer on harmonics Aristoxenus, that certain learned Indians actually
   visited Athens and conversed with Socrates. They asked him to explain the object
   of his philosophy, and when he replied, ‘an inquiry into human affairs’, <b>one of
   the Indians burst out laughing. ‘How’, he asked, ‘could a man grasp human things
   without first mastering the Divine?’ </b>If Eusebius is to be believed, we must
   revise many of our preconceived notions about early intercourse between the two
   countries.</i>[8]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 05-05-2008

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Genesis 41
56 When the famine had spread over the whole country, Joseph opened the storehouses and sold grain to the Egyptians, for the famine was severe throughout Egypt. 57 And all the countries came to Egypt to buy grain from Joseph, because the famine was severe in all the world.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Egypt was the granary of the Roman Empire.


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 05-07-2008

From an Indian site:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I wonder if you have heard about Caesar's Messiah
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/main.html

This is a book citing multiple parallels, *in the very same chronological sequence*, between the Roman campaign against the messianic Jews and the ministry of Jesus, and argues that the Roman Caesar Flavius Titus is the one on whom "Jesus" is built. The Romans "gave" this created messiah to the Jews to placate them, at the same time asking them to worship their own defeat and degradation at the hands of the Romans. The summary in the link calculates the probability that the sequence of events could occur just by chance, not by design. Do read the summary.

The author, Joseph Atwill, has debated many Christian scholars, and has caused many to ask themselves how they could be so blind as to not see the obvious.

For example, the Romans, in their boats, laughed and joked that "This is like fishing for men" when they had chased after fleeing rebels in the Sea of Galilee
and speared and killed any rebel found swimming in the water.

The same "fishing for men" then magically appears in Jesus' mouth (and at the Sea of Galilee).

There are multiple such events, and they occur in the *same order* in Roman history and in the Jesus story.

<b>In statistics, sequence has power. It would be almost impossible for such events to occur in the same sequenc in Roman history and the Jeses story.</b>

And then there is good motive for the Romans to build up a messiah for the Jews.

You can ask Joe questions on his message board (linked) if you need to.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->November 15th, 2007 at 9:00 pm Said:

Exactly.

Jehovah/Allah/Jesus are all fake. People should read what these so-called Gods ave said in their books (read Old Testament for how Jesus says “If your father
does not believe in me, kill him; if your mother does not believe in me, kill her”. Lots of things which are nor exactly “turn the other cheek” that missionaries
lure you in with.

All these “religions” are clubs: Join me, and live, or else, die. Plus, if you join me, you have the God-given right (literally) to kill/rape/loot people who resist joining the club.

The only real reilgion is the one that emanated from India: Hindu Dharma/Jain Dharma/Sikh Dharma etc
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Patriot: I not all that up on “Xtian”/Titus stuff…but it is in there,,maybe not in OT. I will post the link to the “if your father be against me” stuff soon..I had posted the pdf set on here earlier, but the link is not opening now, and I cannot remember where I had posted it on this blog

Meanwhile this more than makes my point:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/

Also, have you looked at how the Jesus story was forced upon messianic Jews by Romans?
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/summary.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->great line of inquiry, and one which is far overdue for some Indians who see no problem “accepting” an exclusivist, dividing religion like xtianity, but increasingly see benign, uniting, indigenous religion as “a collection of myths”.

Somewhere down the line you need to look at Caesar’s Messiah, a book that lists how Jesus could not have existed, since his life story is so very closely based
on the story of Titus, the Roman Caesar Vespasian’s elder son. Titus was literally “sent by his father” to subdue the messianic Jews. He started his campaign against them at the Lake (called Sea) of Gallillee, where Roman soldiers in boats hunted down fleeing Jewish rebels in the water. They would catch these men like fish, bring them on board, and kill them. They joked that this was like “fishing for men”. “Fishing for men” at the sea of Gallillee is how Jesus begins his ministry. See the parallel?

There are many more parallels which occur in Titus’ and Jesus’ life in the same sequence, and the chance that thses parallels occur randomly, in the same
sequence, is next to 0.

http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/main.html

There is a “summary” provided on the page linked above..<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Did you know that the Mother of Jesus is based on Mary of the House of Hyssop who had roasted and eaten her own child? Upon being asked to share this
meal, Mary had said, “Come eat what I have eaten, for my child shall become a by-word to the world”

This Mary of Hyssop is woven into the big lie of Jesus, that the Roman emperor Vespasian, through his son Titus, thrust upon the Messianic Jews.

You must know how Christians eat the “body of Christ” in their churches, lining up to unwittingly enact a scene that was undescribably gruesome in its original
form.

Read Caesar’s Messiah, a book that lists how Jesus could not have existed, since his life story is so very closely based on the story of Titus, the Roman Caesar Vespasian’s elder son. Titus was literally “sent by his father” to subdue the messianic Jews. He started his campaign against them at the Lake (called
Sea) of Gallillee, where Roman soldiers in boats hunted down fleeing Jewish rebels in the water. They would catch these men like fish, bring them on board, and kill them. They joked that this was like “fishing for men”. “Fishing for men” at the sea of Gallillee is how Jesus begins his ministry. See the parallel?

There are many more parallels which occur in Titus’ and Jesus’ life in the same sequence, and the chance that thses parallels occur randomly, in the same
sequence, is next to 0.

http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/main.html

There is a “summary” provided on the page linked above..<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->jesusneverexisted.com caesarsmessiah.com christianaggression.org
These show how Xtianity was thrust upon messianic jews by a Roman caesar, and how it has been spread through unspeakable torture, killing, lies, land-grabbing, and loot. Justice should be done in the case of that woman in the above article, if true. Hindu activists need to target and expose fraud missionaries and let people know how xtianity works ($$). Poor ignorant converts represent those who have been cheated out of their heritage and rich Hindu culture and are now unwitting followers of a cruel Roman joke on the messianic jews. Do not target converts. Overzealous hindu activists should be punished. HIndus, expose the lies of this Jesus story.

Do not target the poor converts. For the truth shall set you free, as the Romans had Jesus say. So find it out. The Romans, like any braggart, have littered
their joke (Gospels) with clues as to their real origin. Read http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/
Read the summary online (Click ENTER).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Jai Shri Ram

I want to collect practical ways of doing the needful on these cults.

Christos base their cult on Jesus. To deal with missionaries etc on a mass scale, tell them that they are worshipping the Roman's joke.

"Caesar's Messiah" is a book that needs to be widely disseminated. Basically, it says: Romans had a problem with messianic Jews. So the Caesar Vespasian sent his son Flavius Titus to subdue them. He used incidents from his own campaigns against the Jews to build up a character that ne gave to the Jews as the Messiah (the Christ).  http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/


Read thie summary of the book: http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/summary.html


"Since the events occur in Josephus in exactly the same order as their counterpart events in the Gospels, probability theory can then be used to assess the likelihood that this might be due simply to chance, or instead, that one source copied the other. The calculation shows that it is over 99.9999% certain that one account was written based upon the other.

This calculation takes a conservative approach that assumes that, once used, each of the eleven items could not be used again. The probability is thus calculated as 11 factorial, or 11x10x9x8x7x6x5x4x3x2x1 . This would equal 1 chance in 39,916,800. Expressed as a percentage, this means that it is 99.999997% certain
that one account influenced the other. In other words, the likelihood that these parallel sequences occurred by chance is less than 0.000003%--effectively zero.
(The alternative approach would assign truly random possibilities for each of the events, in which case the odds are calculated as eleven to the eleventh power, or one chance in 285,311,670,611, for an even more remote probability of 0.0000000003%.)"

Jesus is a lie. Worse, it is a joke built by Romans to get people to worship them. Mary was modelled after a cannibal who roasted her own son and ate him (during
one of the seiges the Romans laid). And people wanted a piece, she said, "Come, eat what I have eaten, for he shall become a by-word to the world". Remember how Christos eat the body of Jesus? The Romans, thru the Gospels they wrote, cast Mary as the mother of this messiah, and asked people to symbolically eat his
flesh, as if this was a big spiritual thing. Actually, they were making fun of the new "Christains"; it was a horrible private joke for the Romans.

Tell missionaries and other Jesuswallas that the are Titus worshippers. When they ask you what that is, direct them to this book.

Joe Atwill, the author, is the Ali Sina of Islam. Joe used to be Xtian, no longer.

You all know Ali Sina, the ex-muslim who saw the light and now calls mohammed a sex-pig. http://www.faithfreedom.org/


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This is one of the methods, not the only one. But please make sure every Hindu knows that Xtians worship a man called Titus, who has played this "Jesus" joke on them. Titus said "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free". Well, the truth they talk about is this: that all this Jesus business is one big Roman joke to get messianic Jews to worship them, and this truth can be seen almost too clearly in the Gospels that the Romans put together, if you read them in parallel wih Roman history of the age, which is what Joe Atwill did.

Joe has debated many Christo scholars, and the Church is doing its best to counter him.

We need to spread the good word.

Jai Bajrang Bali<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Jai Shri Ram

9 out of 10 times an idiot parrot Christo comes and tells Hindus how evil Hindu Dharma is (and how great Xtianity is), the Hindu does not know how to respond.
He starts defending his own Dharma. "No, no, see, brother, you have misunderstood. See, Ram is...Ganesh is...etc etc." The Christo goes on making fun of the poor Hindu, there is no shortage of questions the Christo parrots can ask about our deva-devataa, and the Hindu is dragged deeper into an abyss of
defensiveness.

All this breaks my heart.

Why not right away tell the Christo parrot how fake Xtianity is? Direct him to the sites linked in the post above (or in my signature line), and also to readly accessible You Tube videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvDOtpsmxbc&feature=related


There are many videos on that site which point out the fakeness of Jejjus and his cult.

There are lots of books showing that jijjus was a myth. (Though the book linked in my signature, Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus" is the most scientific, and gives us the motives behind the myth and spells out the parallels between the myth and real-lihe events in the life of the Caesar bacK then). Anyway, the very fact that jesus is a myth is missed by the Hindu.
http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/104-739970...ords=jesus+myth


The big point is not to win arguments, but to make the Christo go crying to his Converted Church Father and ask for clarification. Believe me, there is no clarification. The Father will tell him to have "faith". And that is fine, Let's see how much faith the parrot has.

Tell the Christos about how "true" their jijjusbhai is.

Finally, the Christo is going to say, "But your Krishna etc are myths also"
At this point, say two things:

1. "If you think they are myths, fine. Do not believe in Krishna. But realize that Jesus is a myth too. Realize that HIndus don't force people to believe in
things, unlike your Christian people".

2. "Despite the destruction of Hindu culture from India (by the Muslim invaders and rulers), we are finding out more and more evidence for Krishna (eg Dwarka) and Ram (eg Setu). If you still don't believe, that is fine. But just remember never to force beliefs on anyone. No more Christian proselytizing."

If a Christo (or sulla) tries to defame my Dharma in front of me, I can counter him very well with words that will burn deep into him, and will cause him to question his faith, and then become agnostic. However, not every Hindu has enough knowledge about Christian and Sulla cults. So I have written a "How-To" kind of post keeping them in mind.

Right now the average Hindu has no weapons when Christos tell him lies.. Let the Hindu have weapons to counter Christo Lies.

Jai Bajrang Bali
_________________
Sanatana Dharma is religion.

Cults like Islam and Christianity are murder-clubs.
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/main.html

http://www.faithfreedom.org/<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Video of the Caesar's Messiah author and his collaborator: Joe Atwill and John Hudson interviews. They explain how Jesus and the Jesus cult was a Roman
creation (which is still being used today for its original intended use: crowd control and empire building)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4759784634425171396

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4177667410483454304

Who was Jesus? Simply a Roman witticism..Romans used the name "Mary"for all Messiah followers. (Mary was a cannibal who roasted and ate her son. Cannibal Mary of the House of Hyssop)..
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7585094886876384283
_________________
Sanatana Dharma is religion.
Cults like Islam and Christianity are murder-clubs.
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/main.html

http://www.faithfreedom.org/<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 05-08-2008

Alexander Jannaeus

<img src='http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/JanaeusCoinPhoto.jpg/300px-JanaeusCoinPhoto.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It is not clear what the wheel or star may exactly symbolize, and interpretations vary, from the morning star, to the sun or the heavens. The influence of some Persian symbols of a star within a diadem, or the eight-spoked Buddhist wheel (see the coins of the Indo-Greek king Menander I with this symbol) have also been suggested.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - ramana - 05-12-2008

in the last thread there were refs to Bible and its description as the ultimate book by Hitler and his remarks. I have been thinking about Nazism, Hitler, and Pope and the theory of super races. I have come up with a sound byte to describe Hitler and his new thinking- 'Evangelical Darwinism'. Unfortunately it was called National Socialism but it really was evangelized Darwinism based on evolutionary concepts applied to social sciences mixed with religious views.



Historicity of Jesus - 2 - ramana - 05-13-2008

A request to admins. Is it possible to transfer the pages 11, 12 and 13 to this thread from the previous thread as the system does not save beyond 10 pages? Thanks, ramana


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 05-13-2008

Darwin in Indian biology textbooks (the absence of)

<i>Prof. Balaram, in his latest editorial at Current Science, brings some disturbing news to our attention (pdf):</i>

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Darwin is not even an issue in India, yet the Darwinists are behaving just like religionists.


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 05-16-2008

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->http://www.jwwesselius.nl/about0.html
 
The history of the world and of the people of Israel as found in the biblical books Genesis-2 Kings, often designated as the Primary History, which runs from Creation until the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple of Solomon at the hand of the Babylonians and the end of the independence of the kingdom of Judah, appears to have been meant as a literary emulation of the Greek-language Histories of Herodotus of Halicarnassus (completed around 440 BCE), which describes the conflict between Greeks and Persians in the decade 490-480 BCE. <b>I described the evidence for this thesis and its consequences for the study of the Primary History at some length in my The Origin of the History of Israel: Herodotus’ Histories as Blueprint for the First Books of the Bible </b>(Sheffield: Sheffield Academic Press, 2002).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 05-16-2008

According to balagangadhara, there is no 'cultural forgetfulness' in the Indian situation, which is in marked contrast to the the Chalmers type dynamic common to the west (comedy masking the horror, etc). Corrspondingly, we can never get the level of akwardness, fakery, and mask culture seen in, for example, 'Jesus People'.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->6. <b>In other words, there is no ‘cultural forgetfulness’ involved here.</b> If the mother tells this story without ‘shame’ or embarrassment, the ‘Victorian’ values are not involved in this situation. What are involved are questions like: what are stories in the Indian culture? How are they told? What.. link <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


------- added later:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->REPORT ON THE SECOND DHARMA AND ETHICS CONFERENCE CASTE DISCRIMINATION: HINDUISM, BUDDHISM OR LIBERALISM? (pdf)

Then Vivek took up the issue of the relation between the Indian cultural experience and the social sciences. <b>He argued that the social-scientific descriptions of Indian culture and society deny access to the Indian experience instead of reflecting upon it.</b> The western cultural experience has become the framework of description, which generates a rift between the experiences of Indians and the theorizing of the social sciences.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Denying access to one's experiences. This is exactly what we see in The Shining with the protagonist's self-induced amnesia. The original theme of alcoholism was the more concrete aspect which kubrick elaborated upon. Christianity is an amnesia induction algorithm.


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - Guest - 05-17-2008

<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+May 13 2008, 04:14 AM-->QUOTE(ramana @ May 13 2008, 04:14 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->A request to admins. Is it possible to transfer the pages 11, 12 and 13 to this thread from the previous thread as the system does not save beyond 10 pages? Thanks, ramana
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Done. Let me know if this worked.


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 05-20-2008

The Seleucid Moses as the fulfillment of Xerxes.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This observation as such undermines the view that the Histories served as a structural Vorlage to the Primary History. Next, Wesselius does not account for the asymmetrical character of many of his similarities. Very important to him is the similarity that both Moses and Xerxes lead their people across the sea separating two continents as if on dry land. Apart from the question whether our present-day concept of “continent” suits fifth-century B.C.E. geographical ideas, it should be noted that Xerxes and Moses are not cast in the same role: Xerxes is a conqueror who failed in the end, Moses a successful liberator; Xerxes brought an army to the other side of sea, Moses his own people; The direction of Xerxes was away from his homeland, Moses was directing to the promised land. These kinds of remarks can be made by almost all of Wesselius’s similarities.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 05-20-2008

I checked the new threads against an original version I had saved. All the posts seem to have survived the transition. On another note, I'm surprised how quickly the western narrative turned to dust.


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - Bodhi - 05-20-2008

<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+May 13 2008, 04:14 AM-->QUOTE(ramana @ May 13 2008, 04:14 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->A request to admins. Is it possible to transfer the pages 11, 12 and 13 to this thread from the previous thread as the system does not save beyond 10 pages? Thanks, ramana
[right][snapback]81587[/snapback][/right]
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is it possible to save an entire thread as offline content in a single file? how?


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 05-20-2008

- click on 'options' icon next to 'fast reply' and 'add reply'
- then click 'download print this topic'
- you will get choice for word or html file.
- choose directory to save.

this method only works for pages up to 9 or 10, any more pages will get truncated.


Historicity of Jesus - 2 - Bodhi - 05-20-2008

Awesome! Thanks dhu!