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Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 03-28-2007
<b>Baitullah âflees to Afghanistanâ</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->ISLAMABAD: Intelligence agencies have informed the Interior Ministry that Baitullah Mehsud, leader of the Taliban in Waziristan, fled to Afghanistan on Friday. Sources told Daily Times on Tuesday that the intelligence reports mentioned that Mehsud had several meetings with âIndian spiesâ and former Afghan premier Gulbadin Hekmatyar in Afghanistan this week. The reports said that Hekmatyar had met Mehsud at an undisclosed location, while Indian intelligence officials met him at Mazar-e-Sharif. . The sources said that the intelligence agencies could not get the details of the meetings and Mehsudâs close aides in Waziristan were unaware of his whereabouts. Mehsud and his group are accused of involvement in several suicide attacks in Pakistan. They are also accused of giving refuge to foreign militants and using them against security officials in the restive South and North Waziristan agencies. But in a jirga some time ago, Mehsud denied that he was involved in five explosions during Muharram, and in an attack at the Islamabad Airport when a suicide bomber blew himself up after being stopped by the police from entering the area. naveed siddiqui<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 03-28-2007
Female Students raid Islamabad 'brothel' <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Dozens of young women from a religious school in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad, have broken into an alleged brothel and kidnapped the owner.</b>.............
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Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 03-28-2007
<b>Hundreds of militants attack town in northwestern Pakistan, killing security official</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hundreds of militants fired rockets, killed one security official and kidnapped a school principal Wednesday in a northwestern town where <b>police had slain two men accused of recruiting students for suicide attacks,</b> police said.
The pre-dawn raid underlined the strength of the militants and the weakness of Pakistani authorities in a swath of territory along the Afghan border where Taliban guerrillas fighting in Afghanistan find sanctuary. The United States fears al-Qaida is trying to regroup in the same area.
Several hundred gunmen launched the attack in Tank, a town in North West Frontier Province, sparking an hours-long battle that left at least one member of the paramilitary Frontier Constabulary dead, local police chief Omar Hayyat said
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This is civil war or Islamic war or Freedom stuggle ???
Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 03-29-2007
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This is civil war or Islamic war or Freedom stuggle ???
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This is difference of opinion between muslims! And they are settling it islam-style! <!--emo&
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Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 03-30-2007
<b>'Suicide attack' on Pakistan army </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->At least two people have been killed in a suicide bombing at an army base in north-east Pakistan, the military says.
One of the dead was a soldier, the other the bomber, officials said. Eight troops were also hurt in the blast at the base in Kharian in Punjab province.
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Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 03-30-2007
T-ban is finally allowed to declare 'Pakistan is our home (it has always been but finally the media is recognising it)'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6409089.stm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Taleban spread wings in Pakistan</b>Â
By M Ilyas Khan
BBC News, North WaziristanÂ
[image caption:] The Taleban roam many border areas unimpeded
(With the help of their leaders, the uber-faitful ISI)
As the spring sets in Taleban fighters in Pakistan's tribal region of Waziristan, bordering Afghanistan, are increasingly visible.
This bodes ill for the coalition forces in Afghanistan.
But it also highlights problems for Pakistan's government. It is faced with the prospect of the Taleban and their allies trying to consolidate their expansion eastwards inside North West Frontier Province (NWFP). <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Like that's something new. Many parts of Pakistan is already rabidly talibani in all but name.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6502229.stm (28 March 2007)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Militants attack Pakistani town</b>Â
Hundreds of heavily-armed militants have attacked security forces in north-west Pakistan, officials say.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Comedy in Pakistan, islamis attack islamis - there's something no one's never heard of before. Yeah right, only if you ignore all the sunn-shia wars in history as is being re-enacted daily in Iraq, as well as t-ban oppression of other islamic men and women, kashmiri islamoterrorists who even started taking it out on the muslims there when their Hindu victims had already been ethnically cleansed, and all kinds of other inter-islamic strife in trying to get the ummah to follow the 'true' islamic teachings as opposed to the 'false' ones.
Follow-up on news in Mudy's post 162:
About the Islamoterrorist females who kidnapped some other women, they're little different from the terrorist males of their species:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6507205.stm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Pakistan 'brothel woman' released</b>
[image caption:]"They dragged us off like animals to the madrassa" (says) "Aunty Shamim"
<b>'Repents'</b>
The woman, known as "Aunty Shamim", made a statement before being released. She said she repented of her actions.
She appeared to be under immense pressure as she spoke, our correspondent says.
"I apologise for my past wrongdoing and I promise in the name of God that in future I will live like a pious person," the woman said before reporters.
She renounced prostitution but she refused to admit she had been running a brothel.
She later said she had not made the statement of her own free will and accused the students of mistreating her.
"I don't think Islam allows anyone to beat a woman and drag her through the streets like a dog," the Associated Press news agency quoted her as saying.
(Umm... it certainly does. And she just experienced the treatment of faithful muslimas who have not strayed from the historical barbarity of islam against women either, so Shamim should no longer harbour any confusion as to what islam does and does not allow. She ought to read the koran)
She told the BBC's Urdu service about 30 women from the madrassa had abducted her, helped by a similar number of men.
"They tied me, my daughter and daughter-in-law and my six-month-old grand-daughter up with rope," she said.
She denied running a brothel but said she had rented a room to a woman, and could not be held responsible for anything she might have done.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->See image of the female counterparts to the usual male madrassa terrorists we're all used to seeing on the news. They're armed with beat-'em-up sticks, ready to come get the next pakistani woman who 'steps out of line' and who they'll accuse of committing 'immoral acts' with no proof:
<img src='http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42742000/jpg/_42742895_lal_afp300b.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Is it the total-night burkhas they are wearing that has made these women so addicted to their insane restrictive religion and jealously hateful of the freedom of others?
I hope these criminal abusive madrassa islamoterrorist women trade places with the innocent Afghan women who are regularly beaten up at random by the faithful t-ban men. Abusers belong together.
Sick, scary religion. This is the kind of peace their religion inspires? Terrorist faithful men on international j-had to kill infidels elsewhere, and fascist islami women patrolling for 'erring' muslim(a)s at home. Dar-ul-islam/theocratic fascist state needs no greater recommendation. 'Islamis, be all you can be, join up now.'
There you go, proof positive they are following islamic teachings - from the link Mudy pasted in #162:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6502305.stm
<b>Students raid Islamabad 'brothel'</b>
According to this report, the same madrassa, called 'Jamia Hafsa', has
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->called for Islamic law to be enforced in Pakistan.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Oh goody.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The madrassa was among schools raided after the London bombings of July 2005 over alleged links with the bombers.
Madrassa officials deny any such links.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yeah, I really believe people whose womenfolk are covered up in such utterly depressive gear and bear sticks:
<img src='http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42736000/jpg/_42736429_studentsap2_203.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Why do these muslimas look so familiar? Oooooh, I know. They remind me of the Catholic nuns at kindergarten (I did LKG in Chennai) who used to beat up children with wooden rulers for being Hindu and wearing kum-kum or veeboothi. The nuns were also dressed mostly in black. Ugh, just thinking about them gives me the horrors.
On the matter of that judge 'Iftikhar Chaudhry':
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6504333.stm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Wednesday, 28 March 2007, 16:57 GMT 17:57 UK
<b>Suspended judge urges rule of law</b>
chief justice arrives in Rawalpindi
[image caption:] Mr Chaudhry was greeted by crowds and petals
(The heathens!!! Greeting with petals is a Hindu thing... And in Rome it was pagan too)
Pakistan needs an independent judiciary and respect for the rule of law, its suspended chief justice has said.
Iftikhar Chaudhry was addressing lawyers in Rawalpindi in his first public speech since President Musharraf accused him of misusing his office.
"Failure to do justice shakes at the very foundations of nationhood," Mr Chaudhry told those present.
Protests have been held in cities across Pakistan over the suspension and consequent government actions.
<b>Cheers</b>
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Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Naresh - 03-30-2007
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<b>Is this the only country in the world where federal ministers have fake degrees, use abusive language on TV and beat up citizens who suggest they stand in a queue?
Is it also by design that the ones with fake degrees are made responsible for the religious affairs and those who use abusive language and assault ordinary citizens end up becoming responsible for justice and human rights?</b>
The Prime Minister has been a big disappointment. His extravagant fleet of some hundred odd ministers is a burden on the taxpayers they cannot bear. Isnât this a good time to make amends and get rid of all these empty-headed, foulmouthed and violently âphysical members of this good-for-nothing cabinet?
By a judicious trimming, one can easily shrink the cabinet to some ten odd ministers - a perfectly appropriate size for the cabinet of a developing country. In this welcome season of accountability and references, let the chopper fall equally and fairly on all. â<b>NAEEM SADIQ, Karachi, via e-mail, March 14.</b>
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Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 03-31-2007
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Nuggets from the Urdu press
FT.com
<b>Aurangzeb was first Muslim Leaguer</b>
In Daily Pakistan, a thesis was printed that was read by Syed Saeed Alam on <b>Aurangzeb Day</b> in front of the workers of the Pakistan movement. Aurangzebâs vision told him that Muslims can only keep their identity as a minority by ruling India. If Akbar was the first Congress worker then Aurangzeb was the first Muslim Leaguer. He was a simple man, slept on the ground and used only drinking water. He earned his livelihood by sewing caps that were purchased by his courtiers and commanders.
<b>Pakistan film industry is dead</b>
According to daily Express, the senior film actor Ijaz Durrani said that the Pakistani film industry is dead and will not revive even if we allowed Indian films into Pakistan. He said there are no talented directors, writers, technicians and producers to produce a quality film in Pakistan. Today Pakistani film songs and post-production work is being done in India. He said the private channels are producing software to fill their airtime.
<b>Agencies cheated Jamaat Islami</b>
As reported in daily Nawa-i-Waqt, the head of the Jamaat Islami, Qazi Hussain Ahmad said that the army shall be reorganised and the election cells of the Intelligence Bureau and Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) shall be closed. He admitted that in the past his party had had contacts with the ISI during the jihad in Kashmir and Afghanistan and gave sacrifices in Bangladesh but the agencies always cheated them. He said they were never held in confidence over the Afghan and Kashmir policies nor were they told about the surrender in Bangladesh.
<b>Saluting an officer is not Islamic</b>Â <!--emo&
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<b>Death for adulterers in Bara</b>
As reported in Daily Pakistan, Lashkar-e-Islami raided a house on the information that two men and one woman were in a house and preparing for adultery. <!--emo&
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Daily Jang, reported that an Indian channel said that two nuclear scientists who were working in NWFP were kidnapped six months ago. The Pakistan government is keeping this secret because of the difficulties of the international pressure. Pakistan foiled an attempt of kidnapping scientists by the Taliban militia in January. Earlier a theft of uranium by Taliban militia was also reported in a border province of Afghanistan.
<b>Why Justice Bhagwandas disappeared</b>
According to daily Express, the head of Al Jihad Trust, Wahab ul Khairi, said that the next senior most judge on the Supreme Court, Bhagwandas, is not in India and has disappeared like the others. The bloody revolution in the country was initiated by the dismissal of the Chief Justice. He said that the national assembly member Zamarrud Khan who was driving the car of Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry has a dubious character. A mammoth crowd would have welcomed Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry if Zamarrud Khan wasnât driving his car.
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<b>From Queen Isabella to Bush</b>
In daily Jang humour columnist Atta ul Haq Qasmi quoted Dr Haq Haqi saying that the killing of Muslims that started with Queen Isabella in Spain still continues at the hands of the Christian fundamentalist government of America. He said 30 lac Muslims were killed in first Christian baptism in Spain and now Muslims are being killed through a second baptism of <b>democracy</b>. The columnist said that the professor who wrote this book in America is living peacefully while his university job is intact.
<b>Iran issues nuclear currency note</b>
As reported in daily Express, the Iranian government has decided to issue a currency note of fifty thousand riyals to commemorate its brave stance on the nuclear issue. The note shows the electrons around atomic nucleus and a saying of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), that if there is science in universe then the residents of Pharris would reach it. It also shows the picture of the founder of the Iranian revolution Ayatullah Khomeini.
<b>Chief Justice and Socrates</b> <!--emo&
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Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 03-31-2007
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->ââ¦<b>Forced expulsion of foreign militants will bring South Waziristan closer to civil warâ¦â </b>
â Maulana Mirajuddin, tribal MP from opposition
Mutahidda Majlis-e-Amal
by TFT
<i>In an exclusive phone interview from Tank city after returning from Wana where he brokered a temporary ceasefire between supporters of Taliban ameer Maulvi Nazir and foreign militants, Mirajuddin, the tribal MP from MMA, gives The Friday Times his version of the battle in Wana. As will be clear from his answers, there is much dissembling even as the fighting in South Waziristan shows the presence of foreign militant elements. Excerpts</i>:
<b>The Friday Times: The government says once foreigners are out of Waziristan durable peace with local Taliban leaders is possible. Do you agree? </b>
Maulana Mirajuddin: Expelling foreigners would start a civil war, which will neither be in the interest of Waziristan nor of the country. We are laying the foundation of a mess that we will not be able to clear. Using force to expel foreigners will leave local tribes with rivalries and feuds and they will fight each other just as others are fighting against foreigners. Instead of relying purely on the use of force to dislodge the foreigners from the area, we should politely ask them to leave Waziristan voluntarily.
<b>But these people have ignored âpoliteâ calls in the past. Why would they leave now?</b>
There can be no peace in Pakistan and our tribal areas as long as the United States remains in Afghanistan. America is conspiring against our areas. There are conspiracies being hatched and are fully backed by America. Peace will not return to Waziristan as long as America is present in Afghanistan.
<b>Would you support call for shelter to Uzbeks in Mehsud areas of South Waziristan? </b>Maulvi Nazir says they can no longer stay in Wazir areas and should leaveâ¦
The Mehsud tribe excused itself when such calls were made in the past. I am not sure the tribesâ chieftains will agree to such a call if it is given again. In the present situation, I donât think Mehsud tribes can afford to offer the foreigners their areas.
<b>Which group do you think will win the battle â Maulvi Nazirâs or the foreigners? </b>
Both groups can emerge victorious if both sides agree to a solution under a tribal jirga. I think the present conflict is a loss to both sides.
<b>The government is playing a silent spectator in the whole issue. What do you think about that? </b>
The government stands by the majority and the majority of Ahmedzai Wazir tribes are standing by Maulvi Nazir. We see no signs to suspect that the government is backing the battle against the foreigners (Uzbeks).
<b>Do you know who Maulvi Nazir is and where heâs come from?</b>
Maulvi Nazir enjoys the support of the Ahmedzai Wazir tribes. The majority of these tribes support him. This must mean the man is able and has some qualities. What he does not like is the presence of America just across his door. That is the key to his struggle. He does not want the foreigners to stay any longer in Waziristan and believes that their presence is a danger to tribal society.
<b>You always disputed the governmentâs claims about the presence of foreigners in Waziristan. Your party, JUI-F, never accepted this. The Maulvi Nazir-led uprising clearly proves the government right. Is there a policy change? </b>
I donât think I ever said there were no foreigners in Wazir areas. I may have said so about my area but there can also be one or two foreigners. You cannot rule anything out. Arenât there foreigners everywhere in Pakistan? Foreigners were spotted in Karachi and Faisalabad but we never used helicopter gunships against them there. Why are we using them against foreigners in Waziristan only?
<b>How many foreigners are still in the Wazir areas?</b>
If we go by the casualty figures provided by the government then not a single Uzbek should be left now. I donât think the number of foreigners who are still in the area is high
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Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 03-31-2007
Husky,
In Pakistan, small or big cities always have two place, prostitution bazaar run by male or female for males. In some town they are called heera mandi, anarkali bazar or other historic Islamic name..
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Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 03-31-2007
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Pakistan is a failed idea </b>
Pioneer.com
KPS Gill
Pakistan is an idea that has failed - abysmally and comprehensively. The lawlessness of Government, the unending violence, the contempt for civilised norms of domestic and international conduct, the constant regression to primitive forms of mass mobilisation, are all delayed and protracted manifestations of the fundamental and complete failure of the idea of Pakistan.
This failure was evident in the very first years after the birth of the country out of the falsehood of the 'two nation theory' and the bloody slaughters of Partition. Within six year of Independence, the poet Faiz Ahmed 'Faiz' wrote, in his poignant and evocative Subh-e-Azadi (The Dawn of Freedom): "This tainted light, this gloom-smothered dawn / This is not the dawn we had hoped for... The despondent night still lies heavy upon us / The moment of deliverance from bondage is yet to come..." Faiz spent years in Pakistani jails and in exile, reviled, excluded and marginalised by successive regimes, till his death in 1984. The tragic destiny of one of the greatest lights of modern Urdu literature is symbolic of all the good that may have survived the catastrophic creation of Pakistan in the crucible of communal hatred.
If anything, Mohammed Ali Jinnah's oft-quoted and pathetic perorations in Pakistan's still-born Constituent Assembly, underline Pakistan's inherent contradictions. After years of exploiting and abusing the Islamic identity and the idea of jihad to fulfil his personal ambitions, and eventually to create the world's first Islamist ideological state, Jinnah declared, on August 11, 1947, "You may belong to any religion, caste or creed, that has nothing to do with the business of the state... in due course of time Hindus will cease to be Hindus and Muslims will cease to be Muslims - not in a religious sense for that is the personal faith of an individual - but in a political sense as citizens of one state..."
<b>That Jinnah was a pork-eating, whiskey-bibbing atheist does little to mitigate his cynical instrumentalisation of Islam, even as, today, Gen Pervez Musharraf's Western suits, public advocacy of 'moderation' and the fact that he keeps a dog as a pet cannot alter the fact that he finds it politically expedient to support Islamist terrorist groups, and himself secured much of his support (though this may be waning) from the Islamist fundamentalist constituency</b>.
Whatever the personal beliefs or proclivities of leaders in Pakistan, their practices have invariably played upon and reinforced extremism, producing a politics dominated by obscurantism, on the one hand, and authoritarianism, on the other. Indeed, the 'ideology of Pakistan' precludes the possibility of a secular democratic politics - as any such movement would easily be construed as an attack on Islam itself. The purported 'threat to Islam' has been the essence of political mobilisation from pre-Partition days to the present, and there is, given the present social, political and strategic architecture of Pakistan, no possibility of its dilution in the foreseeable future. Indeed, Pakistan's intervention in Kashmir has exponentially deepened these proclivities, as Jean-Luc Racine notes, putting "incompleteness and exteriority at the heart of its national vision".
The depth to which these elements have become rooted in the institutional, political and social structures in Pakistan is seldom understood by outsiders, who think they can tweak the system here and there - a little madarsa reform, a few hundred million in 'development' aid - and secure the transformation of Pakistan's historical pathologies into a modern and functioning democracy. Unfortunately, the reality of Pakistan is that it cannot lend itself to incremental reform. For the past nearly six years, the West has pumped in billions of dollars in the hope that it can purchase reform and moderation in this country, but these years have seen nothing but a continuous expansion of both obscurantist and authoritarian tendencies.
The Pakistani identity is based on irreducible opposites, an adversarial ideology that initially saw the Hindu as the enemy, but that has thereafter added a multiplicity of 'hostile others' - Ahmedias, Shias, internal regional minorities, the West - in its expanding circle of strife. Much of the violence in the South Asian region - and indeed, a large proportion of Islamist terrorism across the world - finds its roots in this psyche, rather than in any concrete and coherent strategic objectives or interests. Unless the institutional basis of this ideology, the power structure and sections of society that have historically profited from it, are dismantled, Pakistan's pathologies will continue to compound themselves, only occasionally tempered by objective external circumstances and a loss of capacities.
Pakistan's leaders have long committed the country to a course that can only have disastrous consequences for the nation, and unfortunate consequences for the region. Snared in a self-perpetuating dynamic, Pakistan itself cannot generate the means to escape this predicament. Unless strong and sustained external interventions, coherently directed at re-engineering the power relations in Pakistan, and at demolishing the ideological state, are not evolved, Pakistan will continue to grow into a bigger problem, both for itself and for the world.
Such a strategy is not directed 'against Pakistan' as a nation, or 'against the people of Pakistan' - who are the first and most helpless victims of the prevailing conditions. To understand what is being suggested, it is useful to take the analogy of another ideological state - the Soviet Union - which, at one time, sought to export its ideology across the world through movements of mass mobilisation and violence. The collapse of the Soviet Union was engineered through a slow strategy of internal erosion and unsustainable defence competition with the West. But when that collapse came, the unyielding hostility and suspicion between the so-called Eastern Bloc and the West simply evaporated, as did one of the principal sources of international tension since the Second World War.
Pakistan is no Soviet Union. The threat of global terror that currently emanates from Pakistani soil is disruptive and disturbing, but it wanes into insignificance against the threat of 'mutually assured destruction' with which the polarised Soviet and Western blocs confronted the world. 'Re-engineering' Pakistan will be a challenging task, but it is far from the impossibility that we imagine. It's time the world, and particularly Pakistan's neighbours, recognised that this, and not the various false dichotomies that we have constructed out of our own worst nightmares - Gen Musharraf or chaos; the military or the jihadis - is the real choice and strategy of resolution.
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Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 03-31-2007
<b>Pakistan fights near Afghanistan kill 52 </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Fighting between local and foreign militants Friday killed 52 people, bringing to more than 200 the number of dead in recent days in a conflict between Pakistanis and suspected al-Qaida-linked extremists, a senior official said. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 03-31-2007
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Feb 23 2007, 06:54 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Feb 23 2007, 06:54 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>On guard </b>
What the firebombing of the Samjhauta Express really means.
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Well.....what does it mean? I'm a Brit living in London UK. I saw the news item on the TV. It all looked a little bit familiar. As you may recall we had a somewhat similar attack on the London underground (metro) system back in 2005 now referred to as 7/7.
I'm old enough to have seen the numerous bomb sites in London dating from 1940/41 as a child growing up there during the 1950's. Those empty ruined plots remained around inner London, though well overgrown with weeds etc, until about 1972. They were also the result of terror bombing....but it achieved nothing as it was not particularly targeted. The bombers were German service airmen doing a paid job and then going back to France to a warm bed an hour or two later.
What shocked us in 7/7/2005 was that the bombers were either born here, or even some were newcomers, but living here for a while and then were quite happy to commit suicide and still only in the early 20's. Probably co-ordinated from afar by Messrs Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri.
I have a theory or maybe just a hunch?.....that A. Hitler, Charles Manson and B Laden are the same `type'....that is psychopaths....nothing to do with religion. They have each, the personal magnetism to incite others into acts of mass murder without getting blood on their hands. Probably you could add J. Stalin and Saddam Hussein to this merry list. Charles Manson is I believe, up for release soon!!? Cheers BS
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Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 04-02-2007
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Lawyers demand Pak acting CJ's resignation</b>
PNS | Islamabad: Demanding the resignation of Pakistan's acting Chief Justice Rana Bhagwan Das, a lawyers body has claimed that he cannot hold the post as suspended Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry still held the country's top judicial position. Meanwhile, amid objections raised by some religious groups to a non-Muslim heading the Supreme Court of Pakistan, a constitutional body on Islamic ideology has backed the appointment of Rana Bhagwan Das as the country's Acting Chief Justice. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 04-03-2007
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Mar 31 2007, 12:31 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Mar 31 2007, 12:31 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Husky,
In Pakistan, small or big cities always have two place, prostitution bazaar run by male or female for males. In some town they are called heera mandi, anarkali bazar or other historic Islamic name..
Once I have posted youtube link of Heera mandi of La-hore. <!--emo&
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Mudy,
How dare you misspell the name of great city of La-Whore? <!--emo&
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Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 04-03-2007
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My bad, great city is now run by rulers sitting in Islam -a- bad. <!--emo&
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Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 04-03-2007
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Islamabad, April 03: A cleric heading a girls madrassa, the students of which have launched aggressive moral policing here, has said an "Islamic Revolution" would be started in this Pakistani capital city from Friday with a crackdown on "secular activities".
Meanwhile, parents of some girls, disagreeing with the methods being employed in the morality drive, have decided to withdraw their wards from the religious school.
The students of boys' seminary Jamia Faridia and Jamia Hafsa, of girls, were "adamant to enforce Shariat" in the city and across the country and an announcement in this regard would be made in Lal Masjid, which controlled the schools, Maulana Abdul Aziz, the in-charge of the two madrassas, said.
The Jamia Hafsa girls had been occupying a public library here for the past two months to protest a move to demolish unauthorised mosques. Last week, they took three women and a six-month-old child hostage after accusing the trio of running brothels.
<b>"We will start our Islamic Revolution in Islamabad on Friday by launching a crackdown on CDs, DVDs and other secular activities in the G-6 Sector. The exercise will be extended to the NWFP (North West Frontier Province) and other areas at later stages. We have full support of madrassas in various cities," </b>Aziz was quoted by local daily 'Dawn' as saying.
He also said he was supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan and South and North Waziristan and conceded that students of his seminary had joined the Taliban but "on their own".Â
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These converted Muslims always have requirement to prove that they are more Islamic then Arab tribes, but still they are considered as low level Muslim
Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 04-04-2007
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Sir: The Prophet of Islam (PBUH) always stressed upon the concept of a tolerant society, which prohibits the invasion of privacy. There is a growing tendency amongst the non- working middle- and upper-class women of our society to indulge in wayward fanaticism, perhaps because they have enough idle time, with servants doing most of the domestic chores. Some organisations perpetuate such attitudes by placing emphasis on burqa and purdah for women. The autocratic view of Islam strengthened by such fanatics further isolates women in our society and disrupts our traditional family structures. <b>The rejection of inter-cultural practices such as mehndis on weddings and Qul by religious fanatics is creating a cultural void in our country</b>. <b>While Islam calls for simplicity, there is no bar on observance of simple human rites on the death of a relative or the wedding of a child.</b>
I implore the citizens of our country to stand up for their right to live freely. A quest for knowledge and freedom is the road to salvation.
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They are just against of Hindu culture.
Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 04-07-2007
<b>Cleric sets up Islamic court in Pakistan </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - In a bold challenge to the government, a firebrand cleric said Friday he had formed an Islamic court to enforce a Taliban-style vice campaign in the Pakistani capital, threatening suicide attacks if authorities try to stop him.
Thousands of followers of Maulana Abdul Aziz underlined their defiance by chanting "Our way is jihad!" and setting fire to hundreds of mainly Western DVDs and video cassettes outside Islamabad's Red Mosque.
Friday's events deepen a dilemma for President Gen. Pervez Musharraf: endure growing criticism for creeping "Talibanization" in Pakistan despite his alliance with the U.S., or force a potentially bloody showdown with fanatics who have grown under his rule
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good going. Who is behind this? Paki Army or Saudi?
Pakistan News And Discussion-10 - Guest - 04-10-2007
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Sir: According to sources from Parachinar, <b>a sectarian clash causing 65 deaths, 140 injuries and 82 torched </b>shops was due to poor management by the political administration. It is mentioned that the administration was informed that a few miscreants in the procession of Eid-e-Milad-un-Nabi were waving anti-Shia slogans and shouting insulting chants. When the administration failed to take appropriate action, a group of enraged Shiites took out a separate procession, which was fired at by paramilitary militia, killing two protesters, thus opening a flood-gate of burning, injuring and killing.
<b>Kurram Agency is the only agency where Al Qaeda or Taliban could not make a firm base due to its significant Shia population</b>. It is well known that a vast majority of Shiites in Pakistan oppose the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Kurram Agency is no exception to Taliban opposition. In the past, there had always been a balanced politico-military administration comprising of Shia and Sunni officers. General Zia had changed that arrangement, creating anxiety among the Shia population who comprise the majority in Upper Kurram. Since then, this agency has become a burning pot of sectarian violence.
I hope that the government will order a judicial inquiry, not only to find out the cause of the present disturbance but also to explore the reasons for the disproportionate administrative set-up, and come up with feasible proposals to permanently rout the sectarian menace from this otherwise peaceful agency.
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Surprising, how we missed this news.