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Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - dhu - 05-20-2007
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> But then, it's part of the modern-day PR to present christianity as having a global face.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> That pic is much more than that. It basically summarizes the dominant western psy-ops against asia.
Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 05-20-2007
<!--QuoteBegin-dhu+May 20 2007, 09:42 AM-->QUOTE(dhu @ May 20 2007, 09:42 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->That pic is much more than that. It basically summarizes the dominant western psy-ops against asia.[right][snapback]69058[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->You're right. Asia - especially E - is always treated as the 'feminine' to the 'masculine' west.
Whereas christonations like to accuse other civilisations of being patriarchical, it is really the christoculture that is fundamentally so. Their men may marry out - it's expected of them, part of that 'desirability' thing, to become the epitomy of what women all over the world supposedly want. It's seen as dominance: marry the 'recessive' Asian woman or African woman or other attractive Hamitic female. And it's exactly why they projected it onto their fantasy of the fictitious Oryan invader intermixing with the female oppressees. Nothing to do with reality of course. It merely gives themselves an imaginary past and present super 'appeal', which a few radicals among them then try to rationalise as some kind of evolutionary advantage they have.
But all hell breaks loose if it was a christian WASPy woman who married an African or the 'effeminate' (as stereotyped on US tele, not my view) E Asian man. That's a social taboo, and a long-time taboo on TV.
US has next to no exposure to E Asian men. The latter are very goodlooking and I don't see why their nations' women would consider choosing an American or other western (or otherwise non-local) person over their own male population, unless they happened to <i>meet</i> with someone from outside whom they found compatible.
The same holds true for all populations. Maybe that's another reason why hollywood is pressing forth in so many countries in the world: to indoctrinate all viewers into what they want them to think is the ideal. Not going to happen: after viewing one Takeshi Kaneshiro movie for example, Brad Pitt's female fans will all have migrated.
Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 05-20-2007
Christianity is dying in Europe and it's stronghold remains to be in the Americas. I believe church attendance is incredibly low in Northern Europe which was one of the last bastions of the pre-semitic European religion before being effectively baptized. You also have the pagan revivalist movements trying to reconstruct the Germanic and Hellenic religions and both have rising number of practitioners. In the USA, xtianity is almost weak in the urban areas but still remains strong in hickville where they prefer hick creationism over evolution. No wonder the xtians are in a rush to recruit (convert) more Hindus to it's cult. It will lose the race against Islam (another blood thirsty semitic cult).
Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 05-20-2007
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I agree with this. It is amazing to me how many christian missionaries come from scandinavian countries, or other european countries, where basically its inhabitants worship materialism and live to fulfill emotional and physical desires, with little turn towards spirituality, let alone religion. Instead of viewing these nominal christians as needing of guidance, the church seeks to convert the heathens. Well, if thats the case, what is needed then is a more open <i>Hindu</i> missionary activity in <b>the West</b> to help these lost materialists. Of course, at the same time we must be fighting the Missionary/Imperialist scourge in our lands, along with reintroducing Hindu Dharma in the imperialist strongholds.
Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - dhu - 05-21-2007
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Jeebus Tactics
I am a regular reader of the Daily Sanatan Prabhat for the past year and am extremely grateful to you for publishing the series of articles on the true nature of Christianity because at some point I too was an individual who was carried away by their preaching and had become an advocate of Christianity. However how I got out of their trap after reading your articles and because of the merits of my ancestors is what I shall narrate to you now.
I was brutally beaten up by a Christian convert because I did not know English. I was 10 years old and a student of Class VI. At the behest of some friends I began attending classes in English conducted by a school teacher who had converted to Christianity. (He was a Hindu by birth.) There was a vast difference in his style of teaching and that of others. Initially because I could not follow English he would beat me mercilessly because of which we, specially I feared him a lot. I can clearly remember how he had hit me on the hands and legs. At that time I would pray unto God thus, `O God please save me from this man.â Thereafter I gradually learned to speak English.
During the course of his teaching unknowingly we also learned wrong things which later were the reasons for keeping us bound in the network of Christianity. I shall elucidate them below.
A. Separate your mind from your intellect.
B. Behave in accordance with your mind.
C. Do not keep any sins in your mind.
D. Do not tolerate injustice.
E. Keep a watch on the enemy.
F. Have faith in God till He is pleased with you.
G. Follow the principle that `I will feast on jelebi (sweet) even at the cost of my lifeâ.
H. Do not mortgage your intellect to anyone.
I. Do not surrender your position to anyone.
We were also told the following things but since a reasonable explanation was not given till the end, we were in a state of confusion.
A. Evaluate the subtle.
B. Remain vigilant about events occurring in your surroundings.
C. Make sacrifices.
D. Remain in isolation.
E. Distribute the Bible to others. If someone shouts at you for that do not hesitate to lie and act out a scene.
F. Perceive the obstacles in your path.
The dreadful ill-effects of a shrewd Christian teacher
In this way gradually such ambiguous thoughts were instilled in our minds. You can imagine what will happen to children in whose mind such thoughts are put at a young age! With daily bombardment of such thoughts gradually I got transformed into a self-centered person and later began to get aggressive thoughts. With passage of time I began to live in solitude behaving as advised by the teacher. During this period I withdrew from my relatives completely. It was as if that teacher had hypnotized us completely. Unfortunately I began to preach the same concepts to my relatives/family and cut off from others. With my sweet talk I got people trapped in my preaching.
Though I grew up in a Hindu family one fine day a righteous soul from my company bluntly told me, âYou are behaving like one converted to Christianity.â It was at that moment my eyes opened. By the grace of God I was blessed with a copy of the Daily Sanatan Prabhat and promptly saved. Now I am trying to find answers as to why at the age of 14 I fell prey to this.
Mission of the 'Sanatan Prabhatâ is worthy of praise !
Hereafter with the grace of God I was blessed with the opportunity to visit the ashram of the Sanatan Sanstha at Jalgaon. The seekers there educated me on this issue further by giving me the series of articles on âthe true nature of Christianityâ from the Sanatan Prabhat. It was then that I developed hatred for the principles taught to me by that childhood teacher. I lost all respect for him. I thanked H.H. Athavale a great deal and prayed for a long life for Him. This mission that He has undertaken through the Sanatan Prabhat, of helping people like me who were getting enticed by such sinners and trapped in their web, is truly worthy of salutation.
(The true nature of Christians revealed through the series of articles in ' Daily Sanatan Prabhat ')
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Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - dhu - 05-21-2007
Husky, you should have left your comment intact. It had a good characterization of how East Asia is viewed as a civilization of clones. This is something that they are just beginning to attempt with India.
Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 05-21-2007
<!--QuoteBegin-dhu+May 21 2007, 07:13 AM-->QUOTE(dhu @ May 21 2007, 07:13 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Husky, you should have left your comment intact.[right][snapback]69096[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Have put it back in there.
Post 284 (Sattva):
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->(N Europe) where basically its inhabitants worship materialism and live to fulfill emotional and physical desires, with little turn towards spirituality, let alone religion.
Instead of viewing these nominal christians as needing of guidance, the church seeks to convert the heathens. Well, if thats the case, what is needed then is a more open Hindu missionary activity in the West to help these lost materialists. Of course, at the same time we must be fighting the Missionary/Imperialist scourge in our lands, along with reintroducing Hindu Dharma in the imperialist strongholds. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I understand what you're trying to say, but disagree with a few things you've mentioned above.
Scandinavians and other Europeans are better off without christianity, they certainly don't need the church to guide (terrorise) them. They've suffered enough of that for centuries. They're free at last, though some may be over-partying at present in celebrating this freedom.
It's stereotyping to say that these countries' inhabitants are 'worshipping materialism and are only living to fulfill emotional and physical desires'. Though sometimes society - whether restrictive or overly lax - tends to force individuals to follow the rest of mainstream trends, many individuals there and elsewhere do think for themselves.
It's wrong to think that when people have no religion they must need it. Not all of mankind absolutely requires religion or Gods. I need Gods and you might too, but people can find what they need for themselves.
For the most part, people just need to develop some balance, think for themselves, make conscious choices in life (choose to care for others, animals, nature, the world), take care of their mental and physical health and seek some inner solace be it in nature, stories, music or work even. Gods or the Tao, or whatever people may choose to call the Divine, are always there to guide anyone. For even small advancements all one needs is to quieten down a bit and be more peaceful and conscious, and live a more wholesome life.
And many non-religious people in the west choose to do these things. Some choose to become vegetarians because they feel it is most ethical. Some are highly pantheistic and (others) already resonate quite naturally with what we will identify as Taoist, Buddhist and Hindu ideas.
It's true that, going by TV, much of the west seems to be bragging about promiscuity or binge-drinking or other excessive/out-of-balance activities, but this does not represent every or even most non-religious people's life in the west. Besides, most of the western popstars doing this tend to be devout christians like Jennifer Simpson (S Baptist) or tend to come from such backgrounds.
As an additional point, high divorce rates are only an indicator that people are being irrational or naive when looking for spouses or what they expect out of their marriages. It's not an indicator of immorality or an increase in immorality.
What people forget when looking at the west is that people there are taking full advantage of a newfound freedom after having lived in iron shackles for centuries. The evolving spiritual and mental understanding that existed in those countries prior to christianity's takeover was nearly completely exterminated. Many in the west can still not go back because they just don't resonate with the ideas and understanding of the Old Religion any more - because of the chasm of >1.5 millennia that christianity created between them and their Old Ways.
The society that developed in the west after the 'sudden freedom' from christianity naturally had a tendency to abuse it. It's been maybe between 1 and 2 centuries now since the grip of christianity started becoming ineffective; and people and popular culture are still pushing further at the boundaries of what is taboo. This is an adolescence they are going through. It is therefore not right to suggest shackling them up in that intolerant christo ideology again.
They will find their way, and they need time for this. Maybe they will create a new balanced culture over time, or maybe they might one day regain the seeds of their original one that was forcibly replaced by christianity. If their Old Traditions were still strong and clearly laid out, it would be good for them if their society would move towards where their Old Religions would be today if they had been allowed to continue. That is, pick up where they left off.
But that's the thing about being abruptly and completely cut off from an ancient religio-culture that took ages to develop: there is sometimes no going back unless and until a recovery or rediscovery happens (not talking about imaginary IE here). It takes a great deal of time for forests to grow back after large-scale destruction.
There's a warning in this for India and Indians too. In wanting to be 'progressive' or whatever is the fly word today, some Indians want to imitate the most extreme extrapolations of what they imagine people in the west are doing after watching foreign TV. Besides coming off as incompetent wannabees who can only poorly imitate the worst examples, we're just repeating other people's most meaningless and wasteful experiences instead of learning from them. Unlike the more unfortunate people in the west, we have <i>not</i> lost our spiritual-culture and heritage, so there is no need for us to grope as if we also have gone temporarily blind. But if we keep up the pretence of blindness long enough, we *will* lose our vision through disuse.
In the western setting I understand why society is in the situation it's in at present: it's been rebelling against the long oppression. But I just can't figure out why some among the young generations of Indians (including actors in their 30s like Sherawat) want to blindly imitate western society in its extreme, yet without such Indians having any cause for their present behaviour - unlike the west. It's like well-off kids choosing to become junkies after thinking junkies from troubled or hapless backgrounds are cool. We end up looking the greater fools.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Instead of viewing these nominal christians as needing of guidance, the church seeks to convert the heathens. Well, if thats the case, what is needed then is a more open Hindu missionary activity in the West to help these lost materialists. Of course, at the same time we must be fighting the Missionary/Imperialist scourge in our lands, along with reintroducing Hindu Dharma in the imperialist strongholds.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The church should keep its paws off Europe, it has mauled the region enough for several eternities.
I cannot agree with suggestions about doing Hindu missionary activity in the West. First of all, people who are seeking will find whatever it is they seek: their own Old Religion, or Buddhism or Hinduism or Native American Religion - whatever suits them best.
We need not advertise.
Secondly, I sincerely believe - and others here might heavily disagree with me on this - that Hinduism mostly (<i>not always</i>) makes sense for people who've been born among those progressing from generation to generation with the evolving Sanatana Dharma. Minds that are not familiar with the same historic or ancestral experiences handed down for generations, might some day suddenly reject it - perhaps even violently. Even subtly forcing ideas on others is bad.
When people find Hinduism for themselves and find it suits them as if it were their own skin - like David Frawley or Michel Danino or Ishwar Sharan - then it's of course naturally their religion.
But going about advertising for Hinduism or telling people of how it might be the right thing for them could go wrong if such a plan were ever successful. If Hinduism is right for someone outside the subcontinent, they will definitely find it for themselves (or it will find them). Same goes for other Old Religions. I read somewhere about a former-muslim Turk who is now interested in Ancient Greece's Hellenismos. I think it was in the comments section of jesusneverexisted.com or maybe some other such site - not sure.
Every country does have its own Swadharma - every country evolved its own Old religio-culture, developed with the help/inspiration of their Gods - and if we wish to help people in the west or elsewhere, it's towards the best of their own original traditions that we should direct them. Our shoe may not always fit the next man, however pretty he may find it and however comfortable it may be for us.
There's another reason why I am of this opinion. If there is one lesson one can learn from the (recent) history of religions, it's that the combination of
(1) one people's religion (essentially one people's mentality/understanding of divinity and the cosmos) and
(2) another population (who had evolved their own understanding of divinity, and have their own pattern of thinking/understanding which is generally no better nor worse than another's; but is certainly profoundly different from (1))
often gives rise to all kinds of horrible and unforeseen consequences.
This is how the terrorist ideologies of christianity and islam arose. The accidental mess that resulted from Zoroastrian, Greek, Roman and Buddhist influence on Middle-Eastern and Mediterranean peoples. Islam then arose from the unpredictable outcome of the chemical reaction of christian, Judaic, other Middle-Eastern and again some Zoroastrian (like praying 5 times a day, veiled noblewomen) influences.
Leave people to evolve their own identity, society and the naturally-resulting mental, spiritual progression of their population. Anything more is playing with fire.
I do agree that there are some universal ideas in Hinduism (as also in a number of other religions) that will help many people - like many Native American sayings or prayers from the Vedas - but becoming a Hindu or a follower of Native American Religion may not be the ideal destiny for everyone.
Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 05-22-2007
What's shameful is that missonarie types take a news byte from here and there to justify their agenda. Or use it as a platform to pass 'human rights reports'
If anyone's keeping tabs of what's going in the backyard which they don't like to talk about: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/20/baby.in.m...e.ap/index.html
Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Naresh - 05-22-2007
[center]<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Row erupts over priest sex abuse documentary</span></b>[/center]
[center]<b><span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>Philip Pullella</span></b>[/center]
<b>(Reuters) - A political row has erupted in Italy over whether state television should air a BBC documentary about the sexual abuse of children by Roman Catholic priests.</b>
The dispute broke out after a conservative politician said RAI should block the documentary because it was part of what he called "a media execution squad ready to open fire on the Church and the Pope".
<b>Mario Landolfi, head of the parliament's oversight committee for the broadcaster, asked RAI director general Claudio Cappon to deny permission to air "Sex Crimes and the Vatican".</b>
Michele Santoro, a progressive and left-leaning journalist, wants to air it as the centrepiece of his talk show "Year Zero". The row comes at a time of heated debate over whether the Church has too much influence over Italy's political life.
The documentary was aired on the BBC in October but never in Italy, although bloggers have translated it and it now ranks as Google Video Italia's <b>( http://www.video.google.it )</b> most popular item.
Leftist politicians immediately attacked Landolfi's request.
"Neither the oversight committee or individual politicians have the right to ask for a preventive censorship of any journalists or topic," said Giuseppe Giulietti, a parliamentarian who was once a journalists' union leader at RAI.
Italy's powerful Roman Catholic Church has already condemned the documentary. At the weekend, Avvenire, the newspaper of the Italian Bishops Conference, accused bloggers who put the documentary on the web of spreading "infamous slander".
<b>Two leftists lawmakers, Giovanni Russo Spena and Gennaro Migliore, said in a joint statement that the documentary should be aired because "paedophilia in the Catholic Church is well known, there is no mystery about it".
CENSORSHIP?</b>
Surprisingly, right-wing parliamentarian Alessandra Mussolini, granddaughter of Italy's wartime dictator, said it should be shown if it is not used to attack the Church. But she said she did not trust Santoro, the RAI journalist.
Centrist politician Antonio Satta said the documentary was "trash journalism" which he said "starts with a premise and does everything to prove it despite the way things really were".
<b>The BBC documentary examined what it described as secret Vatican documents setting out procedures to deal with general abuse of confessional secrets by a priest to silence his victim.
The original document, written in 1962, was updated in 2001 to deal more specifically with paedophilia as the Church around the world became embroiled in a string of sexual abuse scandals.</b>
British bishops last year criticised the BBC, saying it should be "ashamed of the standard of the journalism used to create this unwarranted attack on Pope Benedict".
Before his election as Pope in 2005, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger headed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican department that enforces doctrine.
<b>Leftist parliamentarian Giuseppe Caldarola said it was "unacceptable" that the Italian public could be denied something made available to the British.
"The Vatican should realise that preventive censorship is a sign of weakness," Caldarola said</b>
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Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - acharya - 05-22-2007
What people forget when looking at the west is that people there are taking full advantage of a newfound freedom after having lived in iron shackles for centuries. The evolving spiritual and mental understanding that existed in those countries prior to christianity's takeover was nearly completely exterminated. Many in the west can still not go back because they just don't resonate with the ideas and understanding of the Old Religion any more - because of the chasm of >1.5 millennia that christianity created between them and their Old Ways.
The society that developed in the west after the 'sudden freedom' from christianity naturally had a tendency to abuse it. It's been maybe between 1 and 2 centuries now since the grip of christianity started becoming ineffective; and people and popular culture are still pushing further at the boundaries of what is taboo. This is an adolescence they are going through. It is therefore not right to suggest shackling them up in that intolerant christo ideology again.
They will find their way, and they need time for this.
Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - acharya - 05-24-2007
When,Why and by Whom Apocalypse was compiled?
Sensational discovery - astronomic research proves that Apocalypse - Book of Revelation to Apostle John was written as late as 1486! Of all the books in the Bible, none has fired our imagination more than Apocalypse - the Book of Revelation to John.
On the Greek isle of Patmos, Apostle John has visions of angels, beasts, the Throne of God, surrounded by the rainbow in the sea of glass, Lamb who turns into the conqueror on the white horse, dragons etc..etc
These verbal images do resemble those from the medieval astronomical and astrological maps. Look at the ancient sky map painted by great Albrecht Durer. Astrology was an essential part of life in 14th 16th centuries; therefore the Apocalypse prophecy edited and printed during this time contains medieval astronomical and astrological images. The astronomical interpretation of verbal images of Apocalypse yields the following horoscope of planets in the constellations:
Planet Jupiter in Sagittarius, Planet Saturn in Scorpio, Planet Venus in Lion;
Planet Mars in Gemini, close to Taurus, under the feet of Perseus;
Planet Mercury in Balance, Sun in Virgin , Moon under Virgins feet;
The tradition says the Apocalypse was written in 95 AD by Apostle John.
The Apocalypse we know today is the last book of the New Testament. First complete New Testament was edited only in 1515 in Basel, Switzerland by Erasmus of Rotterdam on the basis of half a dozen of sources. The text of the Apocalypse comes from the manuscript Erasmus lent from the German biblical scholar Reuchlin.
The only moment in time when the combination of planets and constellations described in the Apocalypse could have been observed live from the island of Patmos was from the 25th of september 1486 to 10th of October 1486.
So, when,why and by whom was the Apocalypse -- Book of Revelation to Apostle John written?
Dan Brown beats Martin Luther with "Da Vinci code"
Popular fiction dealing with conspiracies of one sort or another is actually quite tame as compared to reality. Dan Brown pens a possible conspiracy of the church against the memory of its originator Jesus. He follows unknowingly in the steps of Martin Luther who started his protestant revolution with accusation of Papal conspiracy in the matter of Constantine's testament, take good note that Martin Luther was right and the testament was false . Well he had as media outlet nothing better than the doors of the Wittenberg's cathedral. Dan Brown has mass media at his disposal. The Roman Catholic Church, for instance, is involved in a much greater hoax than the most daring writer could possibly conceive of - one that deals with the very foundations of history itself. The above statement is neither an exaggeration, nor a metaphor - very few people are aware that the B C A D chronology as we know it was created by a handful of Jesuits in the 16th 17th century - Joseph Scaliger, Dionysius Petavius and their successors. We have grown so accustomed to a timeline that runs through many millennia, from the Egyptian pyramids to the present day, that the mere thought of questioning its veracity seems perfectly preposterous - just like the notion of a rotating earth must have seemed in the epoch of Galileo Galilei, and just as heretical. But nevertheless - the entire conception of ancient and mediaeval history know to us today owes its existence to a XVI century Jesuit hoax. A hoax that has finally been exposed with the aid of astronomy, mathematical statistics and modern computational facilities by one of the world's leading mathematicians - the Russian Academician A. T. Fomenko. His fundamental work on chronology, now available in English, is more fascinating than Dan Brown at his wildest. Yet it is truly a non-fiction work - that goes to say, everything else you have read about history should probably classify as fiction. And, let's face it, much duller fiction than "The Da Vinci Code" barnburner. (more) (less)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMz4MMBMs38
History: Fiction or Science? Chronology 2 (Chronology) (Paperback)
by Anatoly T Fomenko (Author)
This book presents a wildly radical restructuring of the timeline of world history. It is written by an outsider to the world of historical scholarship: Fomenko is a non-historian (a renowned mathematician) and an non-Westerner (from Russia.)
Fomenko's theory says, basically, that everything we are told about history pre-1600 is BS. Ancient history is, according to Fomenko, based on evidence quote-unquote "discovered" since the 15th century and arranged into a spurious standard timeline in the 18th century. (In some cases, the evidence was discovered much more recently: some Eastern religious texts were only uncovered in the 20th century.) Fomenko collates this evidence to argue that all those ancient chronicles are different versions of events which really happened roughly between 1000 AD and 1400 AD. The key event in Fomenko's timeline is the life of Christ (who was born in 1053 AD rather than 6BC, Fomenko believes.) After a relatively short-lived Eurasian empire disintegrated, each nation made up their own version of the empire's history, and generally each new version of the story was set farther back into the past than the previous one. (The newest version is the Hindu Krishna myth which is set about 10,000 years before the present day.)
This is an appealing theory, since it eliminates the various "dark ages" which blemish the conventional chronology. On the other hand, this is an appalling theory, since it creates one big dark age extending from the beginning of time till 900 AD or so.
The book is translated from the Russian. There is no index, and the bibliography is rather annoyingly arranged in the original Russian alphabetical order (so for example, B's and V's are mixed together.) But the translation is extremely readable, more readable than most historical works originally written in English.
This is the first book in a projected 7-volume set.
The online bookstore entries for this volume rather amusingly show easily history gets mixed up. The translator is someone named Michael Jagger who is almost certainly not the singer Mick Jagger (whose full name is Michael Phillip Jagger.) However, some online bookstores do list Mick Jagger as a coauthor. Amazon.com says the translator is someone named Mike Jagupov. This is hard enough to keep straight while the singer is still alive, and a few decades from now, I am sure that many sources will say that the legendary Rolling Stones frontman translated this book into English.
(I have no idea if Mick Jagger speaks Russian or not. Although he is an educated man--- an alumnus of the University of London--- one would assume that he doesn't. Certainly, in all the millions of words which have been written about him, no one has commented on his knowledge of the Russian language. And, if he actually was the person who translated this controversial text into English, the book's publishers would presumably be aggressively advertising that fact.)
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..Antiquity proves be a complete Renaissance hoaxâ¦Timeline shredded & compressed to barely 1000 yearsâ¦True revolution in chronology of humankind..
New Review Magazine, July 1, 2005
Antiquity proves to be a complete Renaissance hoaxâ¦Timeline shredded & compressed to barely 1000 yearsâ¦True revolution in chronology of humankind..
Product Description
`History: Fiction or Science? Chronology 2` is the second volume of the most explosive and astounding tractate on history ever written - however, every theory it contains, no matter how unorthodox, is backed by rock solid scientific data. The book is easy and pleasant to read; it is well-illustrated, contains hundreds of charts, graphs and illustrations, copies of ancient manuscripts, and countless facts attesting to the falsity of the chronology used nowadays. You will be amazed to discover: - That the chronology universally accepted today and taken for granted is simply wrong; - That ALL methods of dating of ancient sources and artefacts known today are erroneous or non-exact; - That there is not a single document that could be reliably dated earlier than the XIth century; The Author refers to the Middle Ages as the Antiquity and proves mutual superimposition of the Second and the Third Roman Empire, both of which become identified as the respective kingdoms of Israel and Judah. Furthermore, he asserts that the famous reform of the Occidental Church in the XI century by Pope Gregory Hildebrand was the reflection of the XII century reforms of Byzantine emperor Andronicus who in his turn identifies with Jesus Christ. The Trojan war counted by Homer happened only as late as of the XIII century A.D. and the great poet actually lived in XIV century A.D. No stone in history of Antiquity is left unturned. Literally. This book is the beginning of a major correction to the chronology we live with.
About the Author
Fomenko, Anatoly. Born in 1945. Full Member (Academician) of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Full Member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, Full Member of the International Higher Education Academy of Sciences, Doctor of Physics and Mathematics, Professor, Head of the Moscow State University Department of Mathematics and Mechanics. Solved the classical Plateaus Problem from the theory of minimal spectral surfaces. Author of the theory of invariants and topological classification of integrable Hamiltonian dynamic systems. Laureate of the 1996 National Premium in Mathematics of the Russian Federation for a cycle of works on the Hamiltonian dynamic system multitude invariance theory. Author of 180 scientific publications, 26 monographs and textbooks on mathematics, a specialist in geometry and topology, variational calculus, symplectic topology, Hamiltonian geometry and mechanics, computer geometry. Author of a number of books on the development of new empirico-statistical methods and their application to the analysis of historical chronicles as well as the chronology of antiquity and the Middle Ages.
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Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 05-24-2007
<b>Atrocities on Hindus by Christian missionaries</b>
An introduction to the book "Atrocities on Hindus
by Christian Missionaries in Goa" by Dr K V
Paliwal. It details the crimes perpetrated
upon Hindus by Christian missionaries through
European rulers in Bharat.
http://digg.com/world_news/Atrocities_on_H...an_missionaries
Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - acharya - 05-24-2007
http://www.praisemoves.com/ChristianAlternative.htm
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I call yoga âthe missionary arm of Hinduism and the New Age movement.â We donât often think of other religions having missionaries, but the philosophy and practice of yoga have been primary tools of Hindu âmissionariesâ to America since âIndian priest and mysticâ Swami Vivekananda introduced yoga to the West at the 1893 Worldâs Fair in Chicago.[i]
Interestingly, Swami Vivekananda is attributed with the idea of combining the theory of âevolution of the soulâ with his teachings of Hinduism. Instead of working out oneâs âkarmaâ by becoming a grasshopper, ant or human in progressive lives, he taught an âevolution of the soulâ whereby the individual continues in an evolutionary process to âmanifest the god within.â
Apparently he understood that Americans wouldnât buy into the traditional Hindu belief in reincarnation. Not many westerners could imagine they would ever come back as a lower form of life. A higher form of life perhaps, but certainly not a lower one. Have you noticed how many people â even Christians â believe in reincarnation? One can just keep coming back until they get it right. Sadly, this false teaching leads people away from the necessity for a Savior. And if we progressively get better with each life, why arenât we all living in Blissville now?
Some consider this Hindu belief a theory to be embraced. Interestingly, definitions of âtheoryâ in Websterâs include, âa speculative plan, conjecture or guess.â <b>Do you remember when evolution used to be called the âtheory of evolution?â Itâs seldom called a âtheoryâ any longer outside of Christian circles. </b>Promote a theory long enough and it becomes the truth? âNot hardly,â as my country cousins would say. But I digressâ¦
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Another Hindu missionary welcomed into elite circles was Paramahansa Yogananda who started the Self-Realization Fellowship in Los Angeles.<b> He cleverly chose to demonstrate that yoga was completely compatible with Christianity. Wearing a cross, he came to America in the 1920s with the Hindu religious text, the Bhagavad Gita, in one hand and the Bible in the other. He reasoned that yoga was the binding force that could connect all religions.</b>
From experience I can say that yoga is a dangerous practice for the Christian and leads seekers away from God rather than to Him. You may say, âWell, Iâm not doing any of the meditation stuff. Iâm just following the exercises.â It is impossible, however, to separate the subtleties of yoga the technique from yoga the religion. I know because I taught and practiced hatha yoga for years. Hatha yoga is the most popular yoga style available on store-bought videos and in most gyms. For an eye-opening account of the background and meaning of âhatha yoga,â please see my notes at the bottom of this page.
Besides these historical evidences, I can clearly state from my own experiences and those of many I knew while in the New Age movement, yoga class was the door that led us into the New Age Movement.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/j...y/123-22.0.html
Take a Pass on Yoga
How can I support a practice that is targeting the young and the weak?
Holly Vicente Robaina | posted 1/17/2007 01:47PM
This is a response to Agnieszka Tennant's "Yes to Yoga," which recently appeared on Christianity Today's website. Agnieszka wrote her article in response to my piece, "The Truth About Yoga," which appeared in Today's Christian Woman's March/April 2005 issue.
While I recognize Agnieszka's right to practice yoga, I've got to take a passâand I feel compelled to encourage other Christians to pass on yoga, too.
I was deeply involved in the New Age before I became a Christian. Trances, channeling spirits, and past-life regression were normal practices for me back then. So was yoga.
Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - acharya - 05-24-2007
Religion
Stretching for Jesus
Christian yoga is gaining a devout following--upsetting purists, Hindus and some Christians
By LISA TAKEUCHI CULLEN/MAHTOMEDI
Sep. 5, 2005
The yoga teacher sits in a lotus position atop a polished wooden platform. Behind her, verdant woods are visible through panoramic windows. Gentle music tinkles from overhead speakers. Two dozen students in spandex outfits, most of them women, settle onto purple and blue mats to begin the class with ujjayi, a breathing exercise. Their instructor, Cindy Senarighi, recommends today's mantra. "'Yahweh' is a great breath prayer," she says. "The Jesus Prayer also works. Now lift your arms in praise to the Lord."
The platform is an altar, the tinkly tune is praise music, and the practice is Christian yoga. Senarighi's class, called Yogadevotion and taught in the main chapel of St. Andrew's Lutheran Church in Mahtomedi, Minn., is part of a fast-growing movement that seeks to retool the 5,000-year-old practice of yoga to fit Christ's teachings. From Phoenix, Ariz., to Pittsburgh, Pa., from Grand Rapids, Mich., to New York City, hundreds of Christian yoga classes are in session. A national association of Christian yoga teachers was started in July, and a slew of books and videos are about to hit the market. But the very phrase stiffens yoga purists and some Christians--including a rather influential Catholic--who insist yoga cannot be separated from its Hindu roots.
Still, the boom, say its backers, is just beginning. Books on Christian yoga were published as early as 1962, but in recent years, as yoga has become as ubiquitous as Starbucks, more Christians have decided to start their own classes. Susan Bordenkircher, a Methodist from Daphne, Ala., is one. She discovered yoga in 2002. "I knew right away I was getting something out of it spiritually and physically, but it felt uncomfortable in that format," she says. So Bordenkircher prepared a vinyasa, or series of postures, with a biblical bent. Meditations focus on Jesus. She calls the sun salutation, a series of poses honoring the Hindu sun god, a "warm-up flow" instead; other Christians call it the "Son" salutation.
At first, Bordenkircher and other yoga teachers encountered skepticism. Officials at Bordenkircher's church asked her if she could call her exercises something other than yoga, and she has had to convince potential students that meditation is not anti-Christ. John Keller, a pastor at St. Andrew's, tells doubtful parishioners that the Bible describes many postures for prayer and that "yoga is just another way to pray." Also, says Keller, it draws potential converts through the church's doors; about a quarter of Yogadevotion students are not churchgoers.
Yoga purists, while encouraging people of all faiths to practice yoga, recoil at the Christian co-opting of its ancient traditions--especially when used as a tool for evangelizing. "We shouldn't use yoga to sell our students anything," says Patricia Walden, a renowned disciple of hatha yoga guru B.K.S. Iyengar. Moreover, others argue, Hinduism is not like a recipe ingredient that can be extracted from yoga. Says Subhas Tiwari, professor of yoga philosophy and meditation at the Hindu University of America in Orlando, Fla.: "Yoga is Hinduism."
"Christian yoga is an oxymoron," agrees Laurette Willis of Tahlequah, Okla. She says yoga led her to dabble in a rootless New Age lifestyle until she became a Christian in 1987. Willis now speaks to Christian groups against yoga, offering instead a series of poses called PraiseMoves.
Catholics face a more formidable skeptic. In 1989 the Vatican issued a document saying the practice of Eastern traditions like yoga "can degenerate into a cult of the body," warning Catholics against mistaking yoga's "pleasing sensations" for "spiritual well-being." It was signed by then Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger--now Pope Benedict XVI. In a 2003 document the Vatican further distances itself from New Age practices, including yoga. Even so, Father Thomas Ryan, a Catholic leader of the Christian yoga movement, says he interprets the church's position not as a denunciation of yoga but as a reminder to "respect Christian logic" in its practice. "And that's what we're doing," he says.
For Judy Arko, 43, the logic behind Christian yoga is simple. "It gives me time alone with God," she says. "As a mom of two small kids, I don't get that--even in church."
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Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 05-24-2007
not related to christianism, but to the previous couple of posts.
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A top Shia cleric from Pakistan on Thursday opposed an Indian spiritual leader's proposal for conducting yoga classes in the Iraqi holy city of Najaf, citing religious reasons.
His objections came barely two days after Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's warm welcome to Art of Living head Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's plans to hold breathing and meditation sessions in the war-ravaged nation as part of his conflict resolution programme.
"Why this yoga? You can conduct tailoring and computer classes. You can also contribute monetarily," Bashir Hussain al-Najafi, head of one of the world's biggest Shia schools, told the Indian spiritual leader.
Najafi, 67, had migrated to Pakistan from Jalandhar during the partition and has been in Iraq for the past 40 years.
The cleric was the only Shia leader to have objected to Shankar's plans for holding meditation classes while all other religious heads in this holy city welcomed the move to ease stress through traditional Indian methods.
"We may start some computer programmes here but I have my reservations for yoga," Najafi, who heads Hauz-e-Ilmia, remarked.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/may/24iraq.htm
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Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 05-25-2007
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Barbaad jahan ko karnay ko bus ek hee ULU(Paki) Kafi hain,
(but unfortunately) Har shaakh(country) pay ULU baitha hain, anjaamay gulistan kya hogaa...
Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - ramana - 05-25-2007
More on Fomenko
New Chronology of Fomenko
Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 05-25-2007
<!--QuoteBegin-acharya+May 24 2007, 10:32 PM-->QUOTE(acharya @ May 24 2007, 10:32 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Religion
Stretching for Jesus
Christian yoga is gaining a devout following--upsetting purists, Hindus and some Christians
By LISA TAKEUCHI CULLEN/MAHTOMEDI
Sep. 5, 2005
PraiseMoves HOME
[right][snapback]69294[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Christoislamism could never invent anything of its own (well, unless one counts its innovation of <i>destroying long-established civilisations</i> like that of the Greeks and Romans, N, Central and S Americans, ....)
And to make up for this complete lack of usefulness and for its utter non-contribution, all the terrorist ideology can do is steal from others: such as christoterrorists trying to steal yoga, islamoterrorists trying to steal Indonesia's Hindu martial arts.
<!--QuoteBegin-rajesh_g+Dec 7 2005, 02:21 AM-->QUOTE(rajesh_g @ Dec 7 2005, 02:21 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->INDONESIAN MARTIAL ARTS - They are definitely indian/hindu in origin. The master is called 'Guro' and they have 'Marma Adi' in it, just like kalarippayattu! However, the Muslims are trying to co-opt these traditions and claim them to be of Muslim origin.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]42627[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->The christoislamic ideology, through its brainwashed followers, steals from other living civilisations while at the same time trying to murder the hosts. Because christoislamism is a destructive, non-creative ideology, all it can be <i>at its very best</i> is parasitic.
'Praise yodling', or whatever they call it, is just one of the things christians are trying to market. Here's another:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQyWSqgJGZM
As utterly ineffective and useless as this 'aerobic workout' looks, it might have some chance at least of providing a miniscule benefit, compared to their ripped-off 'Praise yoda' which will certainly give none.
Besides, according to Paul Brunton's interview with a real Yogi (I read this from Brunton's book many many years ago), when Yoga is mispractised, learnt from people who don't really know it or gleaned without being officially imparted by a Yogi, it will be dangerous to one's health. Even hasten death.
As I recall, Brunton spoke to a Yogi called Brahma who had been living in the jungle in isolation for a long time. Brahma told of how he had initially gone really wrong by practising stuff he was nowhere near ready for and nearly died of its effects on him. And from the descriptions given Brahma was an actual Yogi (Yogi as in a real one - of the old, original and only kind. Not some 'Yoga exercise teacher' who imagines he's teaching real Yoga. Certainly not the ones stateside.)
Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 05-26-2007
<b>KA Paul Charged with Being a Really Sketchy Dude</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Lieutenant Mitch McCann of the Beverly Hills Police Department has confirmed that <b>Kilari was arrested at a Beverly Hills hotel on suspicion of âlewd and lascivious acts with a minor</b>â on April 20. McCann referred us to the California Penal Code section relating to Kilariâs arrest, which is basically getting freaky, or trying to get freaky, with a 14- or 15-year-old child, and the alleged perp is at least 10 years older. Note: the orphan girls in Kilariâs care are about 12 years old. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
More links on his activities:
http://www.houstonpress.com/2006-06-08/new...e-plane-truth/1
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/91561,C...stert11.article
Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 05-26-2007
<b>Religious conversion sparks tension</b>
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...48002&type=NEWS
May 24, 2007
New Indian Express
TUMKUR: Tension prevailed at Baraguru village of Sira taluk when a group of seven people who had been allegedly involved in sermonising the dalits to convert into Christianity were questioned by the youths, on Wednesday.
The accused who had come from Ananthpur of Andhra Pradesh had been visiting the poor in the dalit colony at the village. They even offered some financial help to the dalits, sources said.
Meanwhile, youths of the village led by one Tippeswmi caught them and handed them over to the police attached to the Baraguru outpost.
Sira circle police inspector Srinivasamurthy told this website's newspaper that the members of the group were interrogated and released later after a warning.