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Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 04-10-2007

http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2007/04/...isit-hindu.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->April 08, 2007
<b>YS Rajasekhar Reddy US visit : Hindu groups organising protest </b>
Telugu groups in US are planning a protest march against Y S Rajashaker Reddy for his alleged policies against Hindu Temple . These groups say he is misusing Hindu temple Endowment Act and Looting, Selling, Encroachment of temple property . Below material is been circulated on net .

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Please circulate this among your friends and relatives in USA, so that they can perform their Dharmic duty of participating in the Chicago protest against the anti-Hindu CM of Andhra Pradesh, Y.Samuel Rajasekhar Reddy, on Sunday, 6th May,2007.
Dr.Vijayalakshmi


http://savetemples.org/ <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Please see that link, which lists the evil christoterrorist Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh YSR's anti-temples actions. For instance:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Demolition: Recently 15 temples were demolished for Golf Course. Samuel Reddy's son blew up a temple in Anantpur (Hindu 8/27/2004 Deccan Chronicle:3/8/2007, Jyoti).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 04-11-2007

<b>Scandal puts spotlight on Christian law school</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Grads influential in Justice Dept.
By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff  |  April 8, 2007

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. -- The title of the course was Constitutional Law, but the subject was sin. Before any casebooks were opened, a student led his classmates in a 10-minute devotional talk, completed with "amens," about the need to preserve their Christian values.

"Sin is so appealing because it's easy and because it's fun," the law student warned.

<b>Regent University School of Law, founded by televangelist Pat Robertson to provide "Christian leadership to change the world," has worked hard in its two-decade history to upgrade its reputation, fighting past years when a majority of its graduates couldn't pass the bar exam and leading up to recent victories over Ivy League teams in national law student competitions</b>.

But even in its darker days, Regent has had no better friend than the Bush administration. Graduates of the law school have been among the most influential of the more than 150 Regent University alumni hired to federal government positions since President Bush took office in 2001, according to a university website.

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Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 04-11-2007

<b>Alluring to convert Sriganganagar episode exposes a Christian plot</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The police recovered two mobiles and a laptop, along with missionary literature from the possession of two missionaries. The entry in the laptop revealed the real purpose of their visit to Agrasen Nagar. Both of them had arrived there from Moga in Punjab and were in touch with some new converts.

<b>A recent incident in agriculturally rich Sriganganagar district has exposed the claim of the Church and its missionaries that they are not luring the innocent people to Christianity by offering them bribes and promising jobs</b>.

The two Christian missionaries received thrashings from the angry crowd, which had come to know their purpose of visiting the town, which is close to Punjab and also the international border with Pakistan.

The police, which were ignorant of activities of Christian missionaries in this part of Rajasthan, have now put them behind the bars. According to intelligence sleuths, of late, these missionaries are trying to shift their base in these areas as they are facing stiff resistance from the people in Vanvasi areas, where they had earlier established their strong base to carry out their conversion activities.

The details of the incident revealed that these missionaries were equipped with the latest caste-wise population details of the area and their aim was to select a particular section of the society to lure them to Christianity
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Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 04-11-2007

Read (or listen) to this story from UK: To some, church cell towers send bad signal
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It's a fair bet most of the faithful haven't been thinking about parish finances as they've been attending services. But dozens of churches and cathedrals throughout England are facing uncertain financial futures. So they've been renting out space to earn some spare change.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->More than 50 English churches are renting out their steeples to cell phone companies — for up to $20,000 a year.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->He said pornography can be transmitted through mobile phones and that the Church's mission was to promote the Church's work. Putting up mobile phone masts which could transmit pornography was outside that legal remit.
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The story of financial issues with churches in US aren't too far and in fact I do know of some churches being shut down due to lack of funding and finances.

Now the question is that if the churches in West are in such dire need of funding, why are powers be of churches sending millions or $ via entities like Joshua Projects (and the others) to 'save souls' overseas when they are abandonding their own flock in their very backyard? Is this a Christian thing to do?


Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 04-11-2007

Well, well, look at what we have got here. Along the theme of my previous post:Calif. diocese threatened with contempt
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A federal bankruptcy judge is threatening the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego with contempt for allegedly attempting to hide assets to avoid payment to clergy sexual abuse victims.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Adler cited a March 29 letter sent by a diocese parish organization to pastors urging them to get new taxpayer identification numbers and transfer funds to new accounts. The threat Monday came six weeks after the diocese sought bankruptcy protection amid lawsuits by more than 140 people who accuse priests of sexual abuse.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->San Diego was the fifth U.S. diocese to file for bankruptcy. The other dioceses that have filed for bankruptcy protection are Davenport, Iowa; Portland, Ore.; Spokane, Wash.; and Tucson, Ariz. Tucson has emerged from bankruptcy protection, while proposed settlements are awaiting final approval in Portland and Spokane.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->



Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 04-11-2007

old news - same is happening in US, infact it started in New Englad
<b>Churches Rent Steeple Space as Hiding Spots for Cellular Antennas</b> <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The United Methodist Church’s New England Annual (regional) Conference has taken the lead in responding to this need. The conference established a formal relationship with SteepleCom, a company that brings churches and telecommunications companies together in leasing agreements. So far, the company has a client list of 800 churches.

“We see this as a benign way for many of our churches to enhance their revenue,” said Mike Hickcox, director of communications for the New England Annual Conference. “It is simply riding the wave of technology in which our churches happen to have great location, height and a way to maintain the aesthetics of the area.”

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The contracts for the churches in the New England Conference have varied from $500 to $4,000 a month, depending on where the church is located, according to Sebastian.
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“We’ve been called Nazis and Satanic,” Wiseman said. “Someone said we should put a sign out front that says, ‘Show me the money.’ It’s gotten pretty personal. But the church has gotten stronger. Attendance and giving are up.”
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Now even they are transmitting porn, at least it is holy. <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->


Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - acharya - 04-12-2007

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Massive conversions under R. Reddy in Andhra

Half of the ‘Savara Girijans’ took baptism.

Santoshi, Rajyalaxmi, Seethamma, Mangaiah, Buddaiah—these are the common names of adivasis (tribals) of North Andhra Agency area. At present you can’t listen these names at all. Most of them change their names to Sunto, Sobita, Deena, Yakub and Joseph. In previous days Jannodu says about festivals, Majjodu says about the muhurtam and Deesarodu gives treatment to ill people. But at present they got new names. Pastor came in place of Jannodu, vice-pastor in place of Majjodu and doctor in place of Deesarodu.

If you think these changes occur due to the development of tribals then you are wrong. This is a pucca planning of Christian missionaries. A pastor belonging to Orissa state planned all these—by luring the Girijans and converting them into Christians. Missionaries are destroying the Girijan culture. They are getting funds from foreign countries. In the name of modern treatment they are exploiting Girijans. In the name of Christ service they are looting Girijans. In previous days tribal were depended on religion heads for every issue but today they look for pastors to solve their problems. By embracing Christianity Girijans are not getting any benefits but conflicts are increasing between them. Group politics entered among Girijans.

Evangelism is going on high scale in tribal areas of Seethampeta, Maliaputti, Patapatnam mandals of Srikakulam district. The

evangelists of Serango, Parlakamidi border villages of

Orissa are the key persons in these conversions. One family is responsible for all these activities in these three mandals.

Accurate Plan
Christian missionaries drafted a perfect strategy to spread Christianity in tribal areas. In the beginning they select important persons in the villages and give them a motorcycle. These persons are responsible for three to four villages and they organise religious programme. Meanwhile, some more persons are identified to help them and these persons are given bicycles and a salary of Rs 700 to Rs 1000 per month. Even though the Christian activities and conversions have been going on since 1994, but recently these activities have increased rapidly. The missionaries make friendship with the village sarpanchs and get their help in spreading Christianity. In Gajapati district of the Orissa state is the center of evangelism. In the name of tourists persons coming from Nepal, African countries, Germany, England and Sweden to propagate Christianity. They tell the people Christian stories in tribal language ‘savara’. The missionaries first study stories and other literature of tribals then they understand the stories using English language. Most of the evangelists are from Baptist group and they approach the tribes with ‘Savara’ language. Hence missionaries easily attract the tribals. They conduct the meetings in Christian culture and construction of churches are going on. They studied the festivals of tribals and their food habits. When Girijans celebrate their festivals Christian missionaries conduct prayer meetings. They succeeded in including puri and chapatis in tribal menu.

Exploitation
In the name of service to Christ, missionaries exploit Girijans. Pastors collect 1/10th of the agriculture production from Girijans. Others collect donations in the name of Christ and they also are receive donations from foreign countries for their evangelism. In the villages Kotturu, Gummada, Veeraghattam, Battili, G.L. Puram, Hiramandalam and Patapatnam, in the name of hospitals, medical business is going on. They started missionary schools for Girijans.

Unrest in villages
Due to Christian conversions in tribal villages, clashes started between the groups of the villages. Among Girijans two tribes are there—one is Savara tribe and the other is Jatapu tribe. Most of the conversions are taking place in Savara tribes but Jatapu tribe is not converting. In village politics they are divided vertically. In the sarpanch elections converted Christians play a key role. In Haddubanga and other areas they became a vote bank for political parties. Due to conversions Akkannaguda of Sitampet mandal, Kummariguda, Nallaraiguda of Bhamini mandal, Irupadiguda of Kothur mandal and some other villages are facing conflicts between them.

In the tribal areas of Sitampeta, Maliaputti and Patapatnam, Savaras have been converted into Christianity in large number. In that area, every prayer meeting is attended by nearly 5,000 people from a minimum of 250 villages. Srikakulam and Vijayanagaram Agency area has nearly two lakh Savara tribes. As per statistics nearly one lakh Savaras have been converted into Christianity. In the Agency area conversions occurred 100 per cent in 60 villages, 75 per cent in 30 villages, 50 per cent in 20 villages and 25 per cent in 10 villages.

(Courtesy: Andhrajyothi)
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Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 04-12-2007

Acharya's post 167 above is more important, obviously.

But here's another report about the usual disgusting stuff - minus the horrors of the rest of the article:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6742968
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Exposing Scandal in the Church: Key Players</b>
by Thomas Pierce
NPR.org, January 11, 2007
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<b>Evidence presented at trial demonstrated that cases of clergy sexual abuse were not isolated incidents, as Roman Catholic Church officials had argued before, during a similar scandal (see James Potter, below). In fact, as more reports surfaced in the wake of the Geoghan trial, clergy abuse was revealed to be a systemic problem in the Church</b> — especially in the Boston Archdiocese.

Repercussions from the trial continue to be felt. Some Catholic dioceses have filed for bankruptcy after doling out millions of dollars in civil-lawsuit settlements. Due to budget crunches, the Boston Archdiocese consolidated some parishes and closed others. Alleged victims, most from the 1970s and '80s, are still coming forward with their stories.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->(Image captionSmile Protestors gather in Boston, Mass., as parishioners file into the Cathedral of the Holy Cross. When evidence was presented that Cardinal Bernard Law had known about Geoghan's behavior but had done nothing to stop him, Law was forced to resign. Getty Images © 2002 <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Why is it that other 'holy' men keep protecting the villains but not the victims? I don't get this at all. What kind of losers are they? In my view, they're just as bad as the criminals they're protecting.


Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 04-12-2007

This one's priceless. One to share.

http://www.crusadewatch.org/index.php?opti...d=358&Itemid=57
Korean christian missionary tries to convert lions in Taiwanese zoo, gets bitten. <!--emo&:clapping--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/clap.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='clap.gif' /><!--endemo--> (With image!)
Now why didn't we think of that...

The image is so appropriate, look at the poor lion getting sick of whiny, uninvited missionary invading its personal space. Exactly how us happy unconverted free peoples feel.


Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 04-12-2007

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Korean christian missionary tries to convert lions in Taiwanese zoo, gets bitten.  (With image!)
Now why didn't we think of that... <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think Lion preferred to stay Hindu. He is full of pride and believes in his birth religion.


Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 04-13-2007

<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Apr 12 2007, 09:15 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Apr 12 2007, 09:15 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I think Lion preferred to stay Hindu. He is full of pride and believes in his birth religion.[right][snapback]66834[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Another matter. Look Mudy:
post 257 of the 'Dalits - Real Issues & Discussion' (moved to that thread)


Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 04-13-2007

Mudy, see another case. More christian harassment of lions. This time in Kiev (Ukraine's capital). In this case, the lion killed christian, so now world awaits christo cries of 'persecution'. Or maybe 'Committee for Religious Freedom' presided over by Baptists is too embarassed to bring up this issue? Or are they too afraid of lions?

http://www.crusadewatch.org/index.php?opti...d=417&Itemid=89
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Zoo lion kills man who invokes God</b>
source: The Australian, June 05, 2006
Zoo lion kills man who invokes God
By correspondents in Kiev

A MAN shouting that God would keep him safe was mauled to death by a lioness in Kiev zoo after he crept into the animal's enclosure, a zoo official said on today.

<b>"The man shouted 'God will save me, if he exists'</b>, lowered himself by a rope into the enclosure, took his shoes off and went up to the lions," the official said.

<b>"A lioness went straight for him, knocked him down and severed his carotid artery."</b>

The incident, yesterday evening when the zoo was packed with visitors, was the first of its kind at the attraction. Lions and tigers are kept in an "animal island" protected by thick concrete blocks.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And there was his answer. Lioness didn't lie: gawwwwd/jeebus doesn't exist. The christian shouldn't have played with his life.

At least he didn't try to convert the lion - unlike the korean missionary in the earlier post (who was too unfamiliar with christianity to know that in christian theology animals don't have souls and don't go to heaven and so there's no point in 'converting' them).


Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 04-13-2007

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And there was his answer. Lioness didn't lie: gawwwwd/jeebus doesn't exist. The christian shouldn't have played with his life.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->


Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - dhu - 04-13-2007

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->in christian theology animals don't have souls and don't go to heaven and so there's no point in 'converting' them).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Husky, this is not christian theology per se, rather it is a greco-roman conceptualization ( which is what I have been trying to say over the past few threads). This type of thinking arose specifically within the context of the greco-roman rule. That it was a jewish pagans who were thus transformed is just a coincidence, it could very well have been caananites, manasehites, or any any group in the euro-semitic contact zone.. See this:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Three peripheral remarks are in order.

1. We do describe, even in our models, people as ‘good’ or ‘evil’. But these descriptions abbreviate actions and relations: ‘dutiful son’ abbreviates actions performed by one of the relata in its relation-ship with the other.

2. The ‘doctrine of Karma’ is a component of a theory of ‘self-identity. Because the ‘self’ is the set of actions performed by the organism (if we leave out its representations) and <b>because all organisms (including animals, insects etc.) do act, it is not possible to restrict ‘selves’ to human beings alone. </b>Such a doctrine must perforce be applicable to all organisms capable of performing actions, as is indeed the case.

3. Because of the essential relationship between the ‘self’ and actions, the moral life of an organism includes all kinds of actions performed by it during its life-time. This has an additional conse-quence that a human organism’s relationship to the Natural world becomes an essential aspect in the construction of a ‘self’. By the same token, man’s relationship to Nature becomes a moral re-lationship as well.

The contrast with Western ethical thought is again instructive in this regard. <b>Ever since Homer, it has been a rather characteristic trait of Western thinking that moral phenomena pertained only to the domain of human intercourse. </b><b>The relation of Man to Nature fell outside the scope of moral life: </b>where it does enter into discussion at all, it does so derivatively in terms of, say, the consequences of such actions on future generations. Inanimate Nature, non- and quasi-sentient animals, on their part, could not enter into any moral relationship with human beings because they lacked the faculty or the capacity to ‘reason’ (or whatever) by exercising which moral choices and decisions could be made. Morality came into play only when both the relata in the relationship were moral agents and Nature disqualified herself from being one. In the best of cases, Nature was indifferent to man’s striving to realize a moral world. At worst, she was hostile to such an endeavour.

We shall not cease, link<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 04-13-2007

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This type of thinking arose specifically within the context of the greco-roman rule.  That it was a jewish pagans who were thus transformed is just a coincidence, it could very well have been caananites, manasehites, or any any group in the euro-semitic contact zone.. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Aaahh.
Dhu, I think I am finally starting to see what you are saying. With stress on 'starting'.
<b>ADDED:</b> Before moving on, I want to say I think I agree with what you're saying there. The rest of this post is merely to explain that <i>I think</i> it was one specific part of Greco-Roman Religion/Philosophy that had the potential to cause such transformations as you mention.

Can I ask what the mindset of the majority of the influential Greeks and Romans was at this stage? I believe they were already quite a while in the philosophy stage - some expertimental philosophies.
Stoicism or Neo-Platonism and some others. Stoicism was certainly a moralistic philosophy.

Were the older kinds of Hellenes and Romans (like most of the villagers would still have been just before and during christianity's formation) of the same view? Because when one thinks of it, Hellenismos had many animal and plant spirits: dryads, satyrs, naiads, fauns. Their Faunus was God of all animals. Surely then, the Old Religion recognised that animals had a meaningful part in the Divine? (One must also take into account that Hera, the wife of Zeus, was additionally represented as a Sacred Cow.)
The place given to animals might have changed with the ascendance of philosophy as the new interpretation of the Religion among some artistocrats.

From the bits I've read, it seems that even in Constantine's time <i>some educated</i> Roman writers referred to the Old Religion as being of a different age: that their slow evolution had left certain parts of it behind.
And in that poem to Zeus that Porphyry referred to (I've pasted it in the Samskrit thread), I think Porphyry spoke of the ideas expressed therein almost as if they were from an older form of the Religion: old interpretations, poems written from the old viewpoints. (Even if Porphyry appeared to admire the expressions of the Old Religion, rather than think them quaint.)

I should make one thing clear: at no point did even the majority forsake the Old Traditions in favour of philosophy. Women and men, some even highly educated, still went by the Old Religion. Certainly all those in villages and the rural countrysides of the Empire. It was only christianity that wiped it out in the end.

Though Christians and historians long argued that the old religion was 'dying', that christianity merely took over a void (as christians argue even today about replacing Buddhism left hollow by communism in China) - this is not true. Philosophy might have edged out the more traditional views of the old religion, but the philosophers who were not easily able to understand the Old Religion were trying to re-interpret it so that it made sense to them. This is what created a kind of Reformation in their world. It had been going on for centuries, although only in parts of the affluent, educated circles - which was the only place philosophy appealed as a <i>replacement</i> for tradition.

I think this Reformation (or Evolved Religion) is what led to historians wrongly concluding that the Old Religion had died and left a void. (It is known christianity genocided both philosophers as well as full-fledged pagans of the Old Religion, so there had been no void.)
I think the same philosophical outlook is what gave rise to the new ideas of morality such as where they just ignored nature and animals.

As you yourself provided an example earlier in another IF thread: Homer and even other traditions about the Olympic Gods were re-read to get new allegorical meanings out of them rather than see them with the traditional meanings. I think you also posted how some Greek came up with the idea that religion and ideas of Gods (like Nature Gods) arose due to to early man's fear and non-understanding of Nature. His opinion is of course all mere backward-projecting onto long gone people - nothing more than speculation (based on how he could explain religion and belief). Speculation also describes much of the philosophers' ideas about the Old Traditions. They tried to understand them from their more modern viewpoints.
Might this not explain how people now interpret that it was <i>since Homer's time</i> that the natural world was disregarded when it came to considering morality:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ever since Homer, it has been a rather characteristic trait of Western thinking that moral phenomena pertained only to the domain of human intercourse.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Animals didn't seem to play as great a part in the Illiad as they sometimes did in stories about the Olympic Gods, but it might have merely been the <i>theme</i> of the Trojan War itself that made Homer leave out animal kind.

<!--QuoteBegin-dhu+Apr 13 2007, 10:37 AM-->QUOTE(dhu @ Apr 13 2007, 10:37 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->in christian theology animals don't have souls and don't go to heaven and so there's no point in 'converting' them).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Husky, this is not christian theology per se, rather it is a greco-roman conceptualization ( which is what I have been trying to say over the past few threads).[right][snapback]66892[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Christianity may have, need not have, inherited it from some of the philosophies floating about in the Roman Empire. After all, when christian apologists are of a mind to admit it, they like to claim Stoicism shared many similarities with christianity. (Christians are flattering themselves - Stoics were very upright, ethical people; christians of the same time were the very opposite. Proof for difference in ideology right there.)

My point in saying that animals don't have souls in christian theology is just that: christianity doesn't recognise that animal and human souls are of the same kind. I wasn't even considering whether christianity inherited it from late evolved form of Greco-Roman Religion/understanding and Philosophy or not.
Since its earliest times, the terrorist ideology insisted animals had no souls. See for instance the movie 'Chocolat' where there's an old man and his old dog. The catholic priest repeats christian doctrine to the unhappy man: his well-loved dog won't be there in heaven. In the film, the priest softens up and later tried to smooth it over I think, but only by going against fundamental, implacable christian belief.

Apologies for any repetition in this huge post, I don't think I can look over this one and prune out duplicate statements.


Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - acharya - 04-14-2007

New documentary on Christ’s Resurrection

WASHINGTON: A new DVD documenting evidence for the Christ’s resurrection was recently released by Grizzly Adams Productions – a corporation that releases family-friendly films, television series and specials.

In the production, called The Case for Christ’s Resurrection, experts will explain new discoveries that will substantiate the claims that Jesus resurrected from the grave nearly 2,000 years ago. Among the many methods, the specialists looked at the past historical record, explored current medical knowledge, investigated evidence in the lives of the Apostles, and researched about ancient Jewish burial practices to establish their claims.

The film is in stark contrast to The Lost Tomb of Jesus, a documentary by Jewish archaeologist Simcha Jacobovici (that claims the discovery of Jesus’ body as well as a wife (Mary Magdalene) and son (Judah), which received a barrage of criticism after its release. While The Case for Christ’s Resurrection is using same kinds of research as Jacobovici’s film, it has been much more overlooked.

“The news media is irresponsible for not covering both sides of the resurrection story,” noted Bill Wilson, the editor and publisher of the Daily Jot, in a commentary piece. “<b><span style='color:red'>The hype that Christianity is false plays into the hands of a biased and secular media that seeks daily to discredit people of the Christian faith,</b></span>” he said.

The pro-resurrection film attempts to use scientific inquiry, which is often seen as completely unlinked to religion, to prove Christ’s crucifixion, death, and resurrection. Some of the methods include carbon dating and forensics.

“There is growing proof that the events depicted in the Gospel accounts are true, with more evidence being revealed regularly, thanks to modern research, analysis and scientific advances,” noted Dr Gary Habermas, a research professor and chair of the Department of Theology at the Liberty University, in a statement. “Science, combined with written descriptions, by non-Christians, of the events of Jesus’ life and death, stake it clear that Christian beliefs are grounded in fact.”

The film also contends that Jesus was seen by numerous people, Christian and non-Christian, following his death.

In addition to Christ’s resurrection, the documentary will also examine the Shroud of Turin, the believed burial cloth of Christ. From it, the filmmakers have even created a 3D holographic image of Jesus’ face. The authentic 3D viewing glasses will be included with the DVD.

Wilson added in his commentary, “<span style='color:red'>Instead of giving credence to a 2,000 year-old box of bones that bear the most common names of the time, the news media ought to focus on the results of true scientific and historic research that gives proof that their souls are in need of salvation.</span>” pr


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p...13-4-2007_pg7_8


Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - acharya - 04-14-2007


Rajapaksa to meet Pope

B. Muralidhar Reddy

COLOMBO: Sri Lankan President Rajapaksa is scheduled to visit the Vatican on Wednesday to meet Pope Benedict XVI on an invitation by the Papal Nuncio in Sri Lanka, Archbishop Mario Zenari.

The visit assumes importance in view of the security environment here and the Government's efforts to weaken the Tigers militarily and win the "hearts and minds" of the people in the north and east.

Political and diplomatic observers here believe that the visit has at least three objectives: to win the support of the minorities, send a message of goodwill to the influential Bishops, project himself as a moderate and galvanise international support in the fight against the Tigers.

The visit comes just days after the Pope, in his Easter message, called on the Government and the LTTE to stop violence and resume talks. He called on the warring parties to return to negotiations to end violence. The military said the Tigers were following a "strategy of ruthlessness" against humanity, targeting civilians at will in the tense north and east zones.

It said 44 civilians were killed and over 51 seriously injured in the LTTE's latest escalation of violence.





Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 04-14-2007

<!--QuoteBegin-acharya+Apr 14 2007, 02:34 AM-->QUOTE(acharya @ Apr 14 2007, 02:34 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>New documentary on Christ’s Resurrection</b>
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“There is growing proof that the events depicted in the Gospel accounts are true, with more evidence being revealed regularly, thanks to modern research, analysis and scientific advances,” noted Dr Gary Habermas, <b>a research professor and chair of the Department of Theology at the Liberty University</b>  <!--emo&:lol:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' /><!--endemo--> , in a statement. <b>“Science, combined with written descriptions, by non-Christians, of the events of Jesus’ life and death, stake it clear that Christian beliefs are grounded in fact.”</b>[right][snapback]66954[/snapback][/right]
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Too funny... too much pain... make it stop... <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Ok. I'm ok.
Alright, I am going to make a wild guess. And let's google to find out if my guess is right. And it is.
Googling for that <b>'Liberty University'</b> gave me:
http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=%22...ersity%22&meta=
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Liberty UniversityFounded in 1971, <b>LU is an independent, fundamentalist Baptist university</b> located in Lynchburg, Virginia.
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<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Where's the mastercard? No, this one's <i>Priceless</i>.


When christians resort to making docos about 'undeniable evidence' proving their jeebus existed and when the media won't air these as 'undeniable evidence', you know the whole thing is hot air.
In India, the Hindu arguments for historical facts on how islam butchered Dharmic people never gets covered, but that's 'cause the media is pro-christoislamic and anti-Hindu. But western media is not anti-christian (christian persecution-complex imaginings aside), so if they won't discuss these facts... it still don't look so pretty for jeebus.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The film also contends that Jesus was seen by numerous people, Christian and non-Christian, following his death.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Contend away.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In addition to Christ’s resurrection, the documentary will also examine the Shroud of Turin, the believed burial cloth of Christ. From it, the filmmakers have even created a 3D holographic image of Jesus’ face. The authentic 3D viewing glasses will be included with the DVD.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->They lost me on Shroud of Turin. <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo--> Keep bringin' it up (the shroud), the audience ain't listening any more. There's only so often one can cry wolf, ya know.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Wilson added in his commentary, “Instead of giving credence to a 2,000 year-old box of bones that bear the most common names of the time, the news media ought to focus on the results of true scientific and historic research that gives proof that their souls are in need of salvation.”<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And I'm going to believe what some nutcase at a university founded by Jerry Falwell thinks? Of course this 'professor' thinks jeebus existed and that 'science' - the christian kind o' course <!--emo&:lol:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' /><!--endemo--> - proves it! Here's an example of the kind of logic and science that the founder of Liberty University, Falwell, employs:
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion.../jerry-falwell/
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In 1999 he published an article in his National Liberty Journal entitled "Tinky Winky Comes Out of the Closet." The piece focused on disturbing clues that one of the characters in the hit children's show Teletubbies was designed to promote the gay lifestyle:

    Now, further <b>evidence</b> that the creators of the series intend for Tinky Winky to be a gay role model have surfaced. He is purple -- the gay-pride color; and his antenna is shaped like a triangle -- the gay-pride symbol.

When the mainstream media ridiculed Falwell for analyzing the sexual politics of a show aimed at pre-schoolers, Jerry responded that he didn't understand how people could miss the subtext.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->( http://freetruth.50webs.org/C4b.htm#MoreEvangelists )
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He's a regular nutter, and from the article pasted in #176, so too the students and teachers and definitely the professors at his uni.


Acharya, these christo universities come up with new 'scientific evidence', new documentaries and new movies on their jeebus every other month. The amount of 'Intelligent Design' <!--emo&Wink--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> that goes into them is unreal, and can only be described by the word <i>christian</i>. Nothing else does it justice.

It was hilarious. You're a genius for finding this one. Cheers <!--emo&Smile--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> Will show my friends tomorrow. But please warn me before you post another example of the kind - my stomach can't take a repeat of the comedy...


Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - Guest - 04-14-2007

Husky,
Now think, white house is hiring students from these universities.

Every US republican President candidates must have Jerry Falwell, Pat etc endorsement to win; otherwise they end up like Mcain.
Here you will get idea, how powerfull these people are LINK

Power behind King or remote ruler.


Christian subversion and missionary activities -2 - dhu - 04-16-2007

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I suspect Terah and Abraham left Ur of the Chaldees as OUTCASTS or HERETICS, rejected by the local populace. Of note here is that the Jewish Hasmonean authors of the book of Judith (said book being in Catholic Bibles, and a few Protestant bibles under the title of Apocrypha), understood that because Terah and Abraham had REJECTED THE GODS OF THEIR ANCESTORS, to follow Yahweh-Elohim, they were _forced to flee_ to Haran of Mesopotamia, and later to Canaan.
http://www.bibleorigins.net/genesisgenesis.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->