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India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - Husky - 06-28-2009

^ I think Chung-Kuo (IIRC "middle-country") is China's name for itself.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Maoists invasion or Chinese masquerade invasion on India?</b>
27/06/2009 00:29:29  Vedaprakash

<b>Maoists meddle borders for penetration:</b> Maoists meddling with the Indian borders are revealed, as suspected earlier[1]. However, the pro—Marxist / Maoist newpaper "The Hindu" characteristically reports that "Maoist activity suspected on border with Nepal[2].  Of course, even for such "suspect-report", one Mohammedan journalist is required. The activities of suspected Maoists in Shravasti district on the India-Nepal border have alerted the Uttar Pradesh authorities, he says, as if the authorities were sleeping! The alert comes after alleged Maoists damaged three border pillars and hoisted a red flag on a tree on June 20 and 21 in an area under the Sirsiya police station in the district. After all, the hoisting "Pakistan flags" by the renegade Muslims has become a regular feature in India and no Indian of worth has never bothered about it. Now, after the election win, perhaps, the Catholic government has started extending such facilities as a token of inner agenda of the Catholic-Communist understanding.
(Well, Sonia was invited to the Olympics after all. And she has no official position in Indian politics other than as a tag-along, even if unofficially she is Helena Part II.)

Atiq khan goes on to say, "Home Secretary Mahesh Gupta said here on Thursday that a report on the incident is being sent to the Centre. Gupta said the incident was reported from a no-man's land on the border and occurred about eight km from the Sashastra Seema Bal (SSB) post located in Bhauva naka. Stating that the area was covered by dense forests and small hills, Gupta said pillar number 618, 623/2 and 625 were damaged by "anti-social elements."  Though the State's role in such matters is limited, the issue will be discussed with Nepalese officials when they visit the neighbouring Dang district (on the other side of the border) on Friday." However, Times of India reports as follows:

<b>Maoists damage border marks on Indian territory[3]:</b> Maoists have virtually declared war on India damaging borders, infiltrating inside and launching war on India, killing people, attacking the economic targets and now ruling parts of India in connivance with the Communist government, as they have no love for India than for China or Russia. The state government on Thursday (18-06-2009) confirmed that Maoists have damaged three border marks on Indian soil along the UP-Nepal border. A home department spokesperson said that the Central government has been apprised about the damage to take up the issue at the international level with the Nepal government. Border marks milestone are concrete structures erected on the border to demarcate the Indian territory, the No-man's Land and the boundary of the neighboring country. These border marks are grounded deep on the ground and cannot be easily uprooted manually. The home department spokesperson said that all the three border marks damaged were situated deep into the forest area. "The incident is believed to have taken place sometime during June 20-21. Security agencies and authorities of the border districts have visited the sites and the work of repairing the damage is underway. The state government has also decided to take up the issue with Nepal at a meeting of officials from the two sides slated to be held in Shravasti on Friday," the officer said. This was the first incident of its type where the Maoists in Nepal have openly targeted property of the Indian government along the UP-Nepal border[4]. Security agencies were of the view that if the issue was not taken up with all seriousness at the international level, more such incidents could happen in the near future. "You never know when these stray incidents may turn into major offensives," said an officer[5] of the Sashastra Seema Bal (SSB) guarding the Indo-Nepal border [emphasis added].

<b>Nepal and India, the way India loses the traditional and diplomatic relationships:</b> Can anybody  could have believed that the secular India was acting against the interests of the Hindu India, thus paving way for the complete collapse of Royal rule and installation of the most dangerous another type of "Chinese-Taliban"[6] government in Nepal? While India has snapped all "Hindu" sentiments and started foreign affairs negotiated through the Mohammedan and Christian Ministers and officers[7], the world has understood the position of India, whereas, the Christians and Mohammedans have been operating only on religious lines. Currently, the U.S. embassy in Kathmandu continues to conduct covert operations against China, mostly through non-governmental organizations (NGOs) like the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and Trace Foundation, a Tibetan support group run by Andrea Soros Colombel, and funded by her father, George Soros. The Trace Foundation is working with one of the Buddhist Tantric sects that has the aim of revealing the Kalachakra prophecy, which predicts a final global war between the forces of good versus a future Islamic Mahdi. A Buddha-type figure is foreseen as returning as a new Messiah. This construct is similar to the neocon "Clash of Civilizations" that sees a final showdown between the West and Islam. That is the Buddhists, in spite of their grouping with "Hindu" under Article 25 of Ambedkar's Constitution, the Buddhists have been acting as enemies against India. The Sri Lanka story also has been the same!

<b>The Communist-Taliban and CIA-Americans in Nepal:</b> The Communists of all sorts represented by the China and Russia at one side and the Americans though CIA agents have been making Nepal - another Tibet acting against India[8]. As American interests have been varied, their activities could not be  understood easily, as many times, it appears that two American agencies would be acting against each other, but their main purpose is to confuse both the involved opposite parties and make them attack each other, so that they are weakened, but Americans get advantage. Remember what happened at Afghanistan? Afghanistan has been the world's leading producer of opium and the CIA-backed mujahedeen had / has been producing opium at will as an effort to oust the Soviet Union from the country, with the drug trade serving to help finance the war. But, even today, the strategy continues, as if the Frankenstein is acting against the mujahideens or Talibans, as only names, banners and bank accounts differ from time to time[9]. That is why the drug-trafficker, Dawood Ibrahim is involved in money laundering and encouraging gambling operations in Nepalese Casinos, where the American agents play their crucial role in manipulating the secret agencies in taking and breaking orders. Note, similar types of Casinos have in operation in Goa, where such types of drug, sex and murders have been taking place[10]. Thus, as long as the drug, arms and political power go together, such nefarious forces work together. Unfortunately, the idiotic Indians work in the name of ideology and aid and abet anti-Indian forces, without realizing the danger.

<b>Indians may have pay heavy price, as the Catholic-Communists Budget buckles before China:</b> The poor Indians have to suffer more in 2009 onwards, as the Budget proposals have been to favour the Chinese and American companies this type. The so-called Indian companies have been thriving in China, interestingly involved in the pharmeutical industries. Ironically, they have been manufacturing Viagras[11] under different brand names and camouflaged formulations selling though the NE agencies, where a Christian billionaire is involved[12]. Now, the Budget-sops for such Chinese-incorporated, affiliated and holding companies go to play considerably. There is a proposal to import rice into India do good business and the media has started raising alarm about the failure of monsoon, no-availability of water, food grains etc. And this is prelude for such activities to loot India buy the politicians, whose relatives would be the importers, distributors and thus profit-makers.
( ~recently had an item on China peddling fake medication in Africa as "made in India". Yes, here: )

<b>Chinese have been tax-evaders professionally since the days of the Cholas:</b>  How the Chinese goods are available and sold cheaply, because, they do not suffer any taxes. How the Chinese ceramic-wares were / are found everywhere[13], just like Chinese electronic goods or toys? Same answer. Of course, now there has been anti-dumping duty, but the Chinese have their on way of evading. The decision to impose anti-dumping duties on silk imports from China does not seem to have had the desired impact, as loopholes in the order came handy for the Chinese silk importers to continue with the `business as usual' approach[14].  The silk reeling community in the country feels that Chinese silk importers have taken advantage of certain clauses in the order imposing anti-dumping duties to their advantage and bypass the duty[15]. As per the order issued by the Authority, all silk consignments of grade 2A and below would attract anti-dumping duty of 34 percent. The decision was made after taking into consideration that majority of the silk coming from China to India belongs to 2A and below while higher grades including 3A and 4A accounted for very negligible quantities. The Chinese goods do not stop with silk and ceramics, but continue with steel, medicine, milk products, tyres and so on. India's tyre industry has been having a rough ride for some time now as cheap Chinese imports have made deep inroads into the country's replacement market, prompting calls for an anti-dumping duty by domestic players. Tyres imported from China, often illegally, are cheaper by as much as 30 percent compared to Indian products. These Chinese imports in percentage terms into the replacement market is anywhere between 12-15 percent, which means every sixth tyre fitted on an Indian vehicle is a Chinese tyrers and it is between 85-90 percent of India's tyre imports. Inferior quality radial tyres are imported from China under the guise of bias tyres[16], which is done by small traders[17] who resort to all sorts of means to evade duties, they (the Bias tyres) are largely identical to radial tyres, typically have a less fuel-efficient design than the standard radial, thus attract only 8.6 percent instead of 10%. They were following such tactics even during the Cholas period bringing downfall of the powerful Cholas. Now, the Indian economy might collapse, if the Chinese are allowed continuously to dump with their inferior goods and evade duties and taxes.

<b>Indians have to learn a lot and remember from the Recent Past:</b> The so-called LPG has not been anything to India as India and Indian goods have been in demand always in the world since time immemorial. Till mediaeval period, India was reigning supreme in the maritime trade excelling all nations exporting and importing goods[18]. Now only, the Indian politicians and rulers, of course the businessmen and industrialists have bee so corrupted that they have no morality or principles, nationalism or faith in God and thus become renegades and traitors helping the enemies without any shame. But, the Indian trade guilds[19], who were working systematically 300 years back had been sincere and honest with love for India, Indian people, religion and Gods. The Indians never collude with other corrupt people easily, as the Cholas system had been systematic in electing and choosing the people of high-offices. When the judiciary comes, no person with any violation of Acts and Rules could become an advocate or Judge[20]; the rulers of Vattam, Kottam and Mandalam were elected by ballot and thus they ruled, collected taxes and the collected tax used for the welfare of the people[21]. Thus, the tax-evasion could never be thought about it. But the European, Arab and Chinese had involved in such fraudulent activities, as could be noted from their own documents (some examples are given):

Ø      The VOC declared insolvency and evaded all taxes and duties including the tribute meant for the India King for five years. Ironically, the same Company was given permission again later.

Ø      The European forces – the Portuguese, the Dutch, the Danish, the French and the English (the Germans would always work behind them and they do not come out openly), the Arabs (they are mentions as Moors, Mohammedans, Muslims etc), and the Chinese were involved in piracy, slave trade, smuggling and tax evasion.

Ø      Though, they used to have their "settlements" at the important Indian ports like – Calicut, Kollam,  Cochin, Thuttukkui, Kayal etc., in attacking Indians, they worked together, but fought with each other in other contexts.

Ø      The Christian-Mohammedan rivalry in piracy, smuggling, trade slave and tax evasion had been very notorious exhibited through their pirate-leaders, "pepper-wrecks" and other material evidences.

Ø      The killing of each other, burning down / or destroying each other settlements, as happened in Calicut where the Arabs destroyed the Chinese settlement etc., had been famous.

Ø      All these incidences clearly prove that the non-Indian Companies, trade-guilds and their representatives did not respects the firmans issued / trade permissions granted / agreements entered into.

Ø      However, as the countries, the companies, individuals etc./, had become rich, earned profits up to 500% etc., prove their extent of tax evasion, profiteering and debauchery.

As the same trends continue, even today, the Indians have to be careful and now they are fooled with the current electioneering system and cheating them by all means. Just because, they have come to rule such farce and bogus electioneering system, they try to meddle with all aspects of Indian life, which cannot be allowed by the Indians.

<b>Border infiltration, meddling with borders amount to invasion:</b> The Maoists activities have been totally anti-national and amount to invasion on India and their threat cannot be taken as that of "terrorists" or "suspects" as the Communist comrades or the mighty-media-magnates propagate. As one sane element has pointed out correctly - "You never know when these stray incidents may turn into major offensives," said an officer[22] of the Sashastra Seema Bal (SSB) guarding the Indo-Nepal border, India should take serious action, instead of announcing sops to the defense personnel of announcing through Antony, the Christian Defence Miniser for the secular India that India is prepared for any eventuality and so on, when the Maoist  anti-Indian forces have already launched attack on India.



[1] About the Chinese goods reaching Indian states through the porous Nepal-Indian borders on the backs of asses and donkeys and sold has already been pointed out, where evasin has been running into hundreds of crores.

[2] Atiq Khan, Maoist activity suspected on border with Nepal, in The Hindu dated 26-06-2009, for more details, see at:


[4] When the asses and donkeys have been coming and going easily through such porous borders for more than 20 years, it is ironical that this is the first incidence to be noted by the Indian security forces. The Bangladeshis in fact did not allow completing the fencing and the Bangla-forces have killed Indian workers engaged in the fencing work many times and only few cases have been reported in the media, suppressing the other cases and this type of diplomacy is followed by the shameless India. The Bangladesh exaple is given, because India fought, liberated East Pakistan from West Pakistan and made an independent nation "Bangladesh", but now it has become the most populous Islamic countries exporting terrorism to India with all facilities at the borders and Chittakong hilly areas.

[5] At least one officer has been there to support India!

[6] "Chinese-Taliban" expression is used, because, they have been so treacherous towards India. Whenever, the border issue comes, the China newer compromises with India and Buddha would not help or bring peace in the Indo-Chinese talks. However, the Indians would be celebrating Indo-Japanese friendship festivals and cultural shows, all in the name of Buddha and dots on the foreheads!

[7] Idiotic India has been following such coolie-mentality to prove its secularism and the concept of self-defeat and self-denegation. Just, one has to remember about the Yuan Court policy of tributes and declaring Indian kings as "subjects" of so and so and so empires!

[8] The loosing of Tibet has been another black-chapter in Indian history not told by the faithful or faithless historians to Indian students, though getting laurels from non-Indians governments, but refusing to get the same from Indian governments and such has been their level or standard of nationalism or patriotism to the country, where they live and enjoy life!.

[9] Russia might have been weakened politically and economically, but the Indians do not understand that the very same forces are now acting against them. Under the guise of controlling or containing American-nurtured Taliban forces, billions of $ aids are given to the enemy-nation Pakistan and the US-envoys just lecture on how both the countries should behave or conduct elections democratically!

[10] Goa is not far away from Mumbai or Karachi and of course, in such activities, the Mohammedan pimps co-oerate the Christians for enjoyment and terrorism also.

[11] The Company which manufactures in India has factories in China also, yet the Indian company has been so proud of its Chinese comnnecytion!.

[12] He is respected moore than any CM / Governor of NE and he has connection with all Chinese and Pakistani agencies.

[13] Nobory Karashima and the Japanese team made many such studies discovering Chinesware everyware, but finally bringing out hypotheses and theories that the rich Indian medieval trade-guilds have been responsible for the fall of or the demise of mighty Chola Empire! Of course, for this also there have been Indian collaborators.
[14] An article / report, Chinese Importers Pass All Silk Goods As High Quality To Evade Dumping Duty, in Fnancian Express dated 02-06-2002 for more details, see at:

[15] However, no Indian historian would worry about such "silky-evasion" as continues from the medieval period! No team works on such issues to tell the Indians truth so that the Indian producers and manufacturers could be aware of such manipulations. After all, tax evasion has also a history!

[16] That the Chinese goods are imported with less duties prove that the Indian tax-officials have been involved. Had they been aware of such manipulations, they should have stopped and charged full duty, so that the illegal imports could have been avoided and even stopped.

[17] It cannot be accepted that the so-called "mall-traders" are involved in such hundreds of INR tax evasion involving the Chinese goods. Without the involvement of the politicians, nothing could happen in India. That the Communists could exercise such influence even with or without political rule or governance show their undue influence in such transactions. The Communists are involved not only in the decision taking levels at the north-block, but also at the trade union levels.  As the CHA, Port and other related works are now carried on different outsourcing agencies, they are controlled by the Communist and Maoist organizations.

[18] Now, none could dare to name any ocean as "Indian ocean".  In fact, "Hindu Ocean" is mentioned as "Indian Ocean", as "Chola Ocean" is changed to "Bay of Bengal".

[19] "Injurruvar", "Manigramam" etc., who could make their presence at SEA Countries and also at Quanzhou in China with their temples, sculptures and of course maritime trade.

[20] Refer to the Cholas inscription for more details about the "Kudavolai" system of voting, polling, election etc.

[21] The Cholas had been the kings who surveyed their country and numbered the houses in each street with vattam / Ward, Koottam / Division, Mandalam / Corporation and collected taxes meticulously.

[22] At least one officer has been there to support India!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - acharya - 06-28-2009

<b>When China Rules the World
Review by David Pilling

Published: June 13 2009 02:11 | Last updated: June 13 2009 02:11

Cover of 'When China Rules the World' by Martin JacquesWhen China Rules the World: The Rise of the Middle Kingdom and the End of the Western World
By Martin Jacques
Allen Lane £30, 550 pages
FT Bookshop price £20

Books about China ruling the world used to be prefaced by “if”. Now, more often, they are preceded by the assumptive “when”. Such is the age we live in. Martin Jacques’ 550-pager on the ascent of China finds little space to consider the question of whether its rapid economic progress is unstoppable. It ignores almost entirely the other popular – and perfectly plausible – premise for books on the Middle Kingdom: “When China’s miracle goes phut”.

Jacques’ book is based on the extrapolation that, by 2050, China will be the biggest economy in the world, surpassing the US and India which, by then, will be third. By virtue of what Jacques calls the “merciless measure” of gross domestic product, China will be politically and militarily the most powerful country in the world.

We might argue about these two central premises, namely that China’s GDP will inevitably surpass that of the US, and that there is an almost mechanical relationship between economic output and power. These are legitimate points of debate for other books. Yet Jacques can be forgiven for making this leap of faith and asking what will happen to the world if, indeed, China becomes a dominant power.

Jacques’ thesis – argued clearly and logically, if somewhat laboriously – is that China’s rise will overturn “western” assumptions about what it is to be modern. To date, the world’s only successful economies of any size – with the exception of Japan – have been European or, in the case of the US, of European pedigree. The knee-jerk assumption of globalisation, he argues, is that as countries modernise they take on western characteristics. “We are so used to the world being western, even American, that we have little idea what it would be like if it was not,” he writes.

Jacques contends, not unreasonably, that China’s continental size, huge population, racial homogeneity and confidence in the centrality of its own civilisation make for a country capable of redefining what it is to be modern.

If Britain was a maritime hegemon and the US an airborne and economic one, then China will be a cultural one, he predicts. As Chinese confidence grows apace with its decisive emergence from two centuries of humiliation, its overriding attitude will not be one of catching up with the west, but rather of regaining its rightful place as the world’s pre-eminent civilisation. “As the dominant global power, China is likely to have a strongly hierarchical view of the world, based on a combination of racial and cultural attitudes,” he writes.

China will draw on its Confucian roots, a paternalistic ethos that, he argues, is not readily compatible with western democratic principles. He goes so far as to suggest that it would be best for China, indeed the world, if the “present regime continues” for some time, a verdict that this former editor of Marxism Today might not have advanced, say, about the Chile of Augusto Pinochet.

Much of the future Jacques foresees for China can be found in its past. He expects it to reassert elements of its ancient tributary relationship with neighbouring countries, leaving them alone so long as they pay cultural obeisance. China’s idea of itself as a living civilisation – what he calls a “civilization-state” as opposed to a nation-state – means it will never yield to assaults on its unity, particularly when it comes to Taiwan.

Jacques’ overriding point is that, in future, “the debate over values will be rooted in culture rather than ideology, since the underlying values of a society are primarily the outcome of distinctive histories and cultures”. His contention is that, since China’s culture and history are so formidable, it will not bend to western norms. If there is any bending to be done, it is the west that must yield.

That makes the book a useful corrective to those who assume that emerging superpowers, principal among them China, will recreate themselves in America’s image. Yet Jacques puts too much faith in culture as the ultimate arbiter of a nation’s destiny. He dismisses the argument of Chris Patten, the last British governor of Hong Kong, that the divide between east and west is more a question of time lag than intrinsic cultural difference. But in doing so, he goes too far the other way. He overemphasises Asia’s cultural predilections for community over individual, for social relationships over law, and for stability over freedom. In both south-east and north-east Asian culture, he writes, “the individual finds affirmation and recognition not in their own individual identity but in being part of a group”. These are sweeping statements that, at worst, sound like a Singaporean advertisement for Asian values.

Jacques’ writing on racism is revealing. Contrasting China with multicultural America, he presents it as an inherently racist culture more or less incapable of summoning a multicultural view of the world. “The fact that the Chinese regard themselves as superior to the rest of the human race, and that this belief has a racial component, will confront the rest of the world with a serious problem,” he writes. In what he describes as the “Middle Kingdom mentality”, he presents China as uniquely conflicted in its simultaneous feeling of superiority to other cultures and its inferiority to westerners who have overtaken it. These conflicted attitudes, for example, are common, and describe feelings of frustration and national inheritance denied (or at least postponed) in countries as far apart as Argentina and Japan.

In China’s rise, Jacques tends to see menace, albeit of a cultural rather than a militaristic nature. China’s view of itself as the centre of civilisation will, he says, lead to a “profound cultural and racial reordering of the world in the Chinese image”. But Jacques is more on the right lines when, elsewhere in the book, he talks about competing modernities. If, as he expects, China emerges as a world power to challenge the US, then modernisation is likely to be a two-way street, even a multi-lane highway, on which different versions circulate of what it means to be modern.

In the future, Americans may indeed watch more Chinese films and study Mandarin. But, by the same token, the Chinese will continue to learn from the west as its wholesale import of western capital, business practice and technology demonstrates. Just as Europeans and Americans may read more Confucius, so the Chinese will study more Shakespeare. It sounds like fun. The world is more likely to become multi-polar and culturally layered than recreated in China’s image. That is the whole point: China will not rule the world.

David Pilling is the managing editor of the FT’s Asia edition

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2009

India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - Husky - 06-29-2009

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>after drugs, now chinese are selling fake "indian" clothes in africa</b>
jun 25th, 2009

as i said before, we should be selling, no giving away, weapons marked 'made in china' to the baluchis and weapons marked 'made in pakistan' to the uighurs.

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India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - Guest - 07-06-2009

<b>140 slain as Chinese riot police, Muslims clash in northwestern city</b>

India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - Guest - 07-08-2009

<b>Columns of troops pour into China's restive west</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The government further responded Wednesday to the violence by pouring columns of troops into the far-flung province, hundreds of which were stationed in People's Square in the middle of the city.
Communist Party chief Li Zhi told a televised news conference that many people had been arrested, including students.
"To those who committed crimes with cruel means, we will execute them," he said, adding government forces would crack down on any security risk. He did not give details<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They will toast them. <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - Husky - 07-12-2009

Related to Mudy's posts 324 and 325 above:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>what, mohammedans rioting in sinkiang?</b>
jul 6th, 2009

what happened to the 'understanding' between the ISI and the hans?<b>129-dead-816-injured</b>-in-unrest-in-Chinas-Xinjiang-Xinhua-/articleshow/4743125.cms
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Sunday, July 05, 2009
<b>oh, makes sense: uighurs were doing another 'operation baby factory' with a han woman</b>
jul 6th, 2009

and given that han women are scarce (what is it, 30 million 'missing women'?), the hans did not appreciate the mohammedans pawing the han woman.

interesting that mohammedans treat their women so badly, but are constantly rioting because a) somebody else looked at said women, b) they want the right to grab other people's women.

the word 'chattel' nicely describes women in mohammedanism as well as christism.

Posted by nizhal yoddha at 7/05/2009 11:55:00 PM 1 comments <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
3. The TOI article linked above:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Violence erupts in China's Xinjiang region; 2 killed</b>
AFP 5 July 2009, 08:16pm IST
BEIJING: Police rushed on Sunday to restore order in the northwestern Chinese city of Urumqi where an unknown number of people attacked passers-by and torched vehicles, state media reported.

The state news agency Xinhua said the violence erupted on Sunday afternoon in the capital of the restive Xinjiang Uighur autonomous region.

Xinjiang is home to about eight million Uighurs, a Turkic ethnic group, and many members of the mainly Muslim community say they have suffered political and religious persecution for decades.

A Uighur activist in Japan said 1,000 Chinese police confronted some 3,000 Uighur demonstrators in Urumqi, the capital of western Xinjiang region, on Sunday in a clash that left two people dead.

The head of the Japan Uighur Association, Ilham Mahmut, said that he had also heard that at least 300 people had been arrested, citing Internet communications from China.

"At 5pm local time about 3,000 Uighur people gathered in Urumqi and demonstrated and about 1,000 Chinese police confronted them, and I heard that two Uighur people are already dead," Mahmut said.

"The Chinese police tried to disband the demonstration and they used electric cattle prods and they fired guns into the air as warning shots. As we speak about 300 Uighur people have been already arrested and I've heard two people died because Chinese police used electric cattle prods."

He added that demonstrators were regrouping to continue their protest.

"About 400 people are trying to resume the demonstration," he said.

<b>He said the tensions were sparked by a recent violent dispute at a toy factory between Chinese and Uighurs sparked by a rumour that Uighurs had abused a Chinese woman.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->See, that's what Hindus should do when one or more islamaniacs tries to attack a Hindu woman.

4. Islamaniacs genocided 137 Chinese. Communists are sad they were 'forced to put down' 46 jihadis:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Jihadis killed 137 Hans - China</b>
11/07/2009 01:26:32  With Media Inputs

China: Communist Regime in China closed down Mosques yesterday to prevent re-grouping of Jihadis in Urumqi. <b>In the communal clashes erupted here last week Chinese Jihadis killed 137 Hans - The Majority population in China. In the crackdown of violence 46 Jihadis were also killed, reveals Chinese state media.</b>

Jihadis erupted into streets defying the millitary power of China burnt buses and cars,smashed shops and attacked the Hans in the Muslim majority provinceof Xinijang.
(That's what muslims always do isn't it?)

<b>But finally Communist's kneel down infront of Jihadi might when hundreds of them turned out to defy the ban order on Friday prayers.</b>

Chinese officials blamed Extremism, Separatism and Terrorism is trying to split the country.
(Nah, it's islam.)

In response to Jihadi uprisal Thousands of Hans also took into streets to wielding Knives, poles, <b>meat cleavers</b> and other make shift weapons.
(What happened to the cruel islamic scimitar, the islamaniac's  weapon of choice.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

5. Comment at
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Delram said...

    Rajiv and fellow blog readers. Whats your take on the Chinese angle to Sri Lanka?

<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->So you just got back from Sri Lanka. What did you see there? What did you learn?

    Kaplan: The biggest takeaway fact about the Sri Lankan war that’s over now is that the Chinese won. And the Chinese won because over the last few years, because of the human rights violations by the Sri Lankan government, the U.S. and other Western countries have cut all military aid. We cut them off just as they were starting to win. The Chinese filled the gaps and kept them flush with weapons and, more importantly, with ammunition, with fire-fighting radar, all kinds of equipment. The assault rifles that Sri Lankan soldiers carry at road blocks throughout Colombo are T-56 Chinese knockoffs of AK-47s. They look like AK-47s, but they’re not.

    <b>What are the Chinese getting out of this? They’re building a deep water port and bunkering facility for their warships and merchant fleet in Hambantota, in southern Sri Lanka. And they’re doing all sorts of other building on the island.

    Now, why did the Chinese want Sri Lanka? Because Sri Lanka is strategically located. The main sea lines of communication between the Bay of Bengal and the Arabian Sea, and between the South China Sea and the Indian Ocean. It’s part of China’s plan to construct a string of pearls – ports that they don’t own, but which they can use for their warships all across the Indian Ocean.</b>

    Sri Lanka defeated, more or less completely, a 26 year-long insurgency. They killed the leader and the leader’s son. But there are no takeaway lessons for the West here. The Sri Lankan government did it by silencing the media, which meant capturing the most prominent media critic of the government and killing him painfully. And they made sure all the other journalists knew about it.

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India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - dhu - 07-14-2009

Americans keeping option for another future Color Revolution:

<b>Dalai hints at incarnation end</b>
- Tibetan spiritual leader open to democratically elected successor

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Shimla, July 13: The Dalai Lama today hinted that his successor might not be an incarnation but a democratically elected spiritual leader of the Tibetans. This was the first time he had mentioned such a possibility.

“There are a number of spiritual leaders in the Tibetan community. A female (too) can be a Dalai Lama. It will depend on the decision of the Tibetan people, whether they decide to select their spiritual leader by continuing with the conventional method or adopting a democratic method,” Tenzin Gyatso, the current and 14th Dalai Lama, said while consecrating a new monastery in Kaza, 420km from Shimla.

He did not elaborate on the kind of democratic system that could be used for the “selection”. But community leaders believe that the Tibetan government in exile — based in Himachal Pradesh’s Dharamsala — could reach an agreement or the Tibetans could make their choice in a vote.

The talk of a successor is significant because the Dalai Lama has hinted at retirement several times over the past few months as well as at the possibility of a woman taking his place. The Tibetan spiritual leader, who celebrated his 74th birthday on July 7, has been insisting that he is already in “semi-retirement”.

Gyatso has been the leader of the Tibetans since November 17, 1950, when he was anointed at the age of 15, a month after China’s invasion of Tibet on October 7.

Like others in the past, the current Dalai Lama is believed to be a reincarnation of his predecessor.

Senior Buddhist monks are supposed to get to know, through meditation and spiritual training, an incarnation when one is born. They have secret rules to determine whether the child they have tracked down is indeed the incarnation.

One test is to have the baby recognise one of the possessions of the previous Dalai Lama. The search for the reincarnation typically requires a couple of years.

The current Dalai Lama was proclaimed the reincarnation of the 13th leader at the age of two by senior monks using the same set of rules. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - Guest - 07-15-2009

<b>'Nervous' China <i>may</i> attack India by 2012?</b>
July 12, 2009 -

A leading defence expert has projected that China will attack India by 2012 to divert the attention of its own people from "unprecedented" internal dissent, growing unemployment and financial problems that are threatening the hold of Communists in that country.

"China <b>will</b> launch an attack on India before 2012. There are multiple reasons for a desperate Beijing to teach India the final lesson, thereby ensuring Chinese supremacy in Asia in this century," Bharat Verma, Editor of the Indian Defence Review, has said.

Verma said the recession has "shut the Chinese exports shop", creating an "unprecedented internal social unrest" which in turn, was severely threatening the grip of the Communists over the society. Among other reasons for this assessment were rising unemployment, flight of capital worth billions of dollars, depletion of its foreign exchange reserves and growing internal dissent, Verma said in an editorial in the forthcoming issue of the premier defence journal.

In addition to this, "The growing irrelevance of Pakistan, their right hand that operates against India on their behest, is increasing the Chinese nervousness," he said, adding that US President Barak Obama's Af-Pak policy was primarily Pak-Af policy that has "intelligently set the thief to catch the thief".

Verma said Beijing was "already rattled, with its proxy Pakistan now literally embroiled in a civil war, losing its sheen against India." "Above all, it is worried over the growing alliance of India with the US and the West, because the alliance has the potential to create a technologically superior counterpoise. "All these three concerns of Chinese Communists are best addressed by waging a war against pacifist India to achieve multiple strategic objectives," he said.

While China "covertly allowed" North Korea to test underground nuclear explosion and carry out missile trials, it was also "increasing its naval presence in South China Sea to coerce into submission those opposing its claim on the Sprately Islands," the defence expert said. He said it would be "unwise" at this point of time for a recession-hit China to move against the Western interests, including Japan.

"Therefore, the most attractive option is to attack a soft target like India and forcibly occupy its territory in the Northeast," Verma said.

But India is "least prepared" on ground to face the Chinese threat, he says and asks a series of questions on how will India respond to repulse the Chinese game plan or whether Indian leadership would be able to "take the heat of war".

"Is Indian military equipped to face the two-front wars by Beijing and Islamabad? Is the Indian civil administration geared to meet the internal security challenges that the external actors will sponsor simultaneously through their doctrine of unrestricted warfare? "The answers are an unequivocal 'no'.

<b>Pacifist India is not ready by a long shot either on the internal or the external front," the defence journal editor says.</b>

In view of the "imminent threat" posed by China, "the quickest way to swing out of pacifism to a state of assertion is by injecting military thinking in the civil administration to build the sinews. That will enormously increase the deliverables on ground -- from Lalgarh to Tawang," he says.

India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - Husky - 07-15-2009

^ More important.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>African AlQaida Threatens China</b>
AlQaida's alleged African arm has threatened China over its treatment of Uighur Muslims. China's aggressive push for Africa's natural resources, along with its military response to pirates in the Gulf of Aden, now followed by the latest troubles between Uighurs and Han Chinese, may be setting the stage for new confrontation between China and pan-Islamist militants. (Second link not operating?)

Meh - works for me.
Posted by san at 7/14/2009 04:23:00 PM 0 comments
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India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - Husky - 07-16-2009

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Wednesday, July 15, 2009
<b>brahma chellaney: china's next india war</b>

jul 15th, 2009

a terrifying scenario, but quite plausible.

the yechuris and karats will get their opportunity to do the marigold garlanding pretty soon at the gateway of india.

<b>when -- and it's 'when', not 'if' -- the chinese invade,</b> i think some people -- you know who they are -- will use their foreign passports and decamp to those foreign countries. (or they may go hang out at their embassies).

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Wednesday, July 15, 2009
<b>FT on china's string of pearls choking india</b>
jul 15th, 2009

the chances are that there will be a short, sharp war again with china attacking and walking off this time with arunachal pradesh.

history repeats.

the last time there was a malayali defence minister (v k krishna menon), malayalis bigwigs in foreign service (sardar panikkar as amb to china), malayalis as secretaries to nehru dynasty types (m o mathai), etc. india lost tibet and aksai chin.

this time it is even worse. india may lose arunachal, sikkim, and maybe the pasupati-to-tirupati corridor will become an international boundary. <b>or the northeast with its pious christists, will secede and become 'greater nagaland'.</b>
(Now wouldn't that be a most 'convenient' miracle. Am sure christians will pretend great surprise.)

what joy is in prospect for india's 'strong' prime minister. who will then whine that he has lost sleep because the hans killed some mohammedans inadvertently while bombing bengal. (btw, why hasn't he already said he has lost sleep over the killing of uighur mohammedans by the hans? or is it ok because it is hans doing the killing?)
Posted by nizhal yoddha at 7/15/2009 10:17:00 AM<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>2 comments:</b>

Shankar said...

    Copying it below because the article appears as premium content for some


    After the return of the Chinese naval expedition to fight piracy off the Somalia coast in May, Rear Admiral Du Jingchen, the commander of the fleet, declared the mission accomplished. “It was safe, smooth and satisfactory,” he said.

    In truth, for China and the countries clustered around the Indian Ocean, the mission was much more, writes Richard McGregor.

    This was the first time Beijing had used its navy to escort vessels sailing under its national flag at such a distance from its homeland. The fact that Chinese ships transited through the Indian Ocean, an area New Delhi regards as its backyard, gave the event an extra geopolitical edge.

    Like most displays of Chinese power, the naval mission said more about the future of Beijing’s influence than its authority today. The navy has little capability to conduct sustained missions far from home. As Mr Cole points out, it has only a handful of supply ships essential to such missions, and is not rushing to build many more.

    But there is little doubt Beijing harbours long-term ambitions to build a navy with a capability that matches both its ambitions to be a great power and its swelling global economic interests.

    The People’s Liberation Army and its naval wing moved beyond a singular focus on Taiwan “several years ago”, according to Alex Huang, of the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Taipei. “They are sending a message that the Chinese navy is going places, and that they are the new player on the block.”

    It is not just India and its neighbours that are feeling the effects of China’s rise. The US and its allies in the Pacific, including Japan, Australia and the Philippines, have all been forced to adjust their strategic outlook to take account of Beijing’s ambitions.

    But few regions have been so methodically mapped out by China as the Indian Ocean and its environs, where Beijing has built or financed ports from Burma to Pakistan to draw a line of influence – the so-called “string of pearls” – from south-east Asia all the way to the Middle East.

    Every new display of the navy’s latest hardware is accompanied by a statement from the Beijing leadership reassuring neighbours about China’s desire for peace and co-operation.

    But as military strategists have long known, China’s mere presence in the region is a statement in itself. Once it is accompanied by military hardware, the power of the message will only be redoubled.
    7/15/2009 1:42 PM
Shankar said...

    Copying it below because the article appears as premium content to some:

    Fear of influence

    By James Lamont and Amy Kazmin

    Hambantota, in southern Sri Lanka, was a sleepy seaside village devastated by the 2004 tsunami. Famous for salt flats and a searing climate, it’s most celebrated building was a British-built watchtower, now home to a fisheries museum.

    Gwadar, likewise, until seven years ago, was a fishing town in Baluchistan on Pakistan’s south-western shoreline. An enclave on the Arabian Sea given to Islamabad by the Aga Khan, it was not much thought of as a key staging point between central Asia and the Gulf.

    Today these little-known towns are fast emerging on to a bigger political and economic map thanks to Chinese finance and engineering, which is upgrading their ports into world-class facilities. They are part of China’s so-called “string of pearls” – the ports, staging posts and hubs that analysts say describe expanding Chinese interests and diplomatic initiatives in south Asia. The outreach – or, to some, apparent encirclement – is underpinned by infrastructure projects, arms supplies, energy routes and diplomatic protection.

    Nowhere is this development causing more disquiet than in India.


    Indian defence officials eye China’s activities in Sri Lanka with particular concern. – not least as the island overlooks important shipping lanes that carry much of the world’s oil trade.

    Chinese military ordnance was decisive in the final stages of Colombo’s war against the Tamil Tigers, defence experts say. Beijing has increased its aid to Sri Lanka fivefold to $1bn a year and stepped up supplies of sophisticated weapons such as Jian-7 fighter jets, anti-aircraft guns and air surveillance radar.


    To India’s east, China has emerged as the closest ally and international protector of Burma’s isolated military junta, which is shunned by most western governments and subjected to sanctions. China is Burma’s largest trading partner, and was long rumoured to have a listening post in southern Burma on the Bay of Bengal.

    “I don’t think there is some nefarious Chinese scheme on Burma, but with western sanctions, there has been a vacuum in Burma and China has been happy to fill that vacuum,” says Thant Myint-U, an authority on the relationship between Burma, China and India.

    Beijing, which has repeatedly shielded Burma in the UN Security Council, is being repaid with access to some of Burma’s rich trove of natural gas at “friendship” prices, according to some Burmese analysts. China is beginning the construction of a pipeline that will carry oil from Sittwe, on the Bay of Bengal, to China.


    The Gwadar port project, one of the highest-profile examples of Chinese assistance, envisages a naval anchor, and transport and energy transhipment links reaching all the way to Xinjiang province in China’s west.

    China has also emerged as Pakistan’s largest supplier of defence hardware, and is helping renew the country’s jet fighter strike force.

    “We are not in a position to take them on militarily, economically and now not even politically,” says Ms Ghose. “The only option we’ve got is diplomatic. At the moment, the US is of no help. ”
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India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - Husky - 07-26-2009

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Monday, July 20, 2009
<b>Bharat Verma's column on China and the Chinese Response</b>
jul 20th, 2009

the han is shocked, shocked that we might think such a thing.

why on earth would 'peaceful' china attack india?

yeah, right.

i can tell you a good reason just like they were killing uighurs: they want empire, and they want lebensraum, and they want raw materials.

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From: Radha
Date: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Subject: Bharat Verma's column on China and the Chinese Response

Dear all, most of you would have read Capt. Bharat Verma's column on China. When wi wrote to him asking him if it indeed were he or his namesake, he affirmed it and also sent me the Chinese response to his column. I give you all the URL from the Vigil website where both columns are back to back. For those who already have Capt. Verma's column, i reproduce the text of the Chinese response as text. regards, RR
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Sudarshan said...

    This Chinese response is different from their standard rants in that they are saying in effect "oh, we are so weak! Two whole Indian divisions on the border! We are so peaceful!"

    None of the chest thumping, about teaching India another lesson, no mention of panchsheel.

    All this is cause to suspect they are up to no good.
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Monday, July 20, 2009
<b>amb bhadrakumar: Intrigues in Central Asia</b>
jul 20th, 2009

With comments

India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - Guest - 07-27-2009

<b>Rejecting Rebiya Kadeer’s visa application</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Rebiya Kadeer is indeed a remarkable woman. In recent weeks—not least due to China’s propaganda campaign to demonise her—she has emerged internationally as the best known symbol of Uighur separatism in China’s Xinjiang province. She has unequivocally advocated a non-violent political struggle, claimed that she is inspired by the Dalai Lama’s principles and is almost surely sustained by US government funding.
The Calcutta Telegraph reports that<b> India has denied her a visa  That is both prudent and astute. Whatever the merits of the Uighur cause, it is not in India’s interests to further escalate the level of direct antagonism with Beijing. Doing so would almost certainly draw attention away from the real faultline: between China and Turkic-Islamic world..</b>........<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
She is Unkel agent, now this is surprise step, now unkel will twist arm and appointed clown will stamp visa.

India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - acharya - 07-28-2009

<b>US seeks closer China ties
By Daniel Dombey and Sarah O’Connor in Washington

Published: July 27 2009 19:36 | Last updated: July 28 2009 00:43

Barack Obama on Monday sought to recast the US’s relationship with China, urging Asia’s rising superpower to forge deeper ties with Washington on the economy, climate change and nuclear proliferation.

Speaking at the start of two days of top-level talks between the countries on the diplomatic and economic challenges confronting them, the US president predicted that Washington’s relationship with Beijing would “shape the 21st century”.

Mr Obama said: “Some in China think that America will try to contain China’s ambitions; some in America think that there is something to fear in a rising China. I take a different view.”

However, in a sign of remaining tensions, a US official said China later discussed its desire to “reform the international monetary system” in closed door meetings.

In March, China’s central bank governor floated the idea of a new reserve currency – which would replace the dollar – but Beijing has since sent mixed signals about how quickly it would like such a change.

The relationship remains largely defined by China’s status as the world’s biggest holder of US Treasury bonds, which heightens Beijing’s influence over Washington and increases its exposure to the battered US economy and swelling deficit. The two countries quizzed each other on Monday about their plans to phase out their huge economic stimulus packages.

The Obama administration has sought to give political focus to what had been a Treasury-dominated dialogue under Mr Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush.

Hillary Clinton, secretary of state, and Tim Geithner, Treasury secretary, are taking part in the talks with Wang Qishan, China’s vice-premier, and Dai Bingguo, state councillor.

Mr Dai said that the two countries were “in the same big boat that has been hit by fierce wind and huge waves, with our interests interconnected, sharing weal and woe”.

He concluded his speech by quoting Mr Obama’s campaign cry of “Yes we can”.

Depicting China as a force for progress that needed to co-operate with Washington, address global issues and respect human rights within its own borders, Mr Obama said the countries’ priorities should be the economy, climate change and combating the threat of nuclear proliferation in Iran and North Korea .

While he praised China for “lifting hundreds of millions of people out of poverty”, he also highlighted US calls for “the religion and culture of all ­peoples [to] be respected and protected”.

Washington responded cautiously to recent clashes involving China’s Uighur minority in Xinjiang province. US diplomats are trying to balance a likely visit by Mr Obama to China this year with a possible meeting between the US president and the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan leader.

Mr Geithner urged China to shift its economy towards domestic consumption, which he said would be a “huge contribution to more rapid, balanced and sustained global growth”.

He also said that the US would help China win greater representation at international organisations such as the International Monetary Fund.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2009

India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - Guest - 07-28-2009

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->US seeks closer China ties<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because today, US will borrow another $400 billion to run government. Who will buy US debt? Ofcourse China and India. China had started putting lot of restrictions and asking too many questions. Regarding India, only call appointed PM of India, he run towards US to buy any debt.

US government borrowing /debt means less money for private sector.

India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - Guest - 07-28-2009

<b>T-72 tanks moved to remote Sikkim area after China tests Indian defences</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Chinese moves to test Indian control of the strategic Finger Area in North Sikkim last year have prompted the Army to deploy heavy tanks and armoured personnel carriers in the region and strengthen defensive positions.

In fact, the highest gallantry award to a Border Roads Organisation (BRO) personnel was conferred to a dozer operator, Zalim Singh, who cleared a strategic road near Theing village — he was decorated with a Bar to Shaurya Chakra — for a column of advancing tanks.

While the Army brought armoured vehicles to the North Sikkim plateau in the late 1980s, the small detachment has now been replaced by the heavier and more powerful T-72 Main Battle Tanks and modern BMP troop carriers.

Sources said the mobilisation took place after repeated Chinese transgressions last year in the Finger Area, a one kilometre stretch of land in the northern tip of Sikkim that overlooks a valley called the Sora Funnel and is considered a strong defensive position<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - acharya - 07-30-2009

<b>Asia rises, one economic giant at a time
By Shankar Acharya

Published: July 28 2009 20:37 | Last updated: July 28 2009 20:37

Ingram Pinn illustration

In recent years, the rise of China and India has become a salient feature of the global economic landscape. Conferences and books have proliferated with titles such as “China and India Rising” and “Dancing with Giants”. Although individual contributions have often delineated carefully the differing paths taken by these two populous Asian nations, there has been a general tendency to lump the two countries together in discussions of global economic issues ranging from international trade to climate change.

At one level, this is quite natural. China and India are the only two countries with more than a billion people. Both are in Asia. Both have opened up to international trade and capital flows in the past three decades. Both have demonstrated sustained and enviable economic growth since 1980. It is true that if current growth rates are maintained, both countries could join the US in the trio of the world’s largest economies by about 2025, measured in purchasing power parity (PPP) prices.

Yet for all its apparent sense, the pervasive bracketing of China and India too often masks critical differences between them and impedes a better understanding of the challenges posed to the world economic order by their economic expansion.

First, China and India today are at different stages of development. The two countries may have had similar average incomes in the late 1970s. But their subsequent growth trajectories have changed the situation materially. India’s 4 per cent average annual growth in per capita gross domestic product since 1980 is commendable and has brought enormous benefits to her population. However, it pales in comparison with China’s spectacular growth in per capita income of more than 8 per cent a year, which has transformed the living standards of her people and made the country a major economic power. By 2007 average incomes in China were about two and a half times higher than in India, at official exchange rates, and about twice as high in internationally comparable PPP prices.

More importantly, the World Bank estimates that the proportion of people in extreme poverty – defined as those living on $1.25 a day – had fallen to 16 per cent in China by 2005, while it still remained above 40 per cent in India. (See charts below.) With a higher poverty line of $2 a day, the Bank reports three-quarters of India’s population to be poor as compared with 36 per cent in China. Other correlates of poverty show similar divergence. For example, more than 40 per cent of India’s children under five remain malnourished, compared with 7 per cent in China. In short, China is no longer a poor country, whereas India still fits that description.

The second major difference between the two nations is the far greater impact of China on the global economy, especially in the present decade. This is due mainly to two reasons: first, China’s much more aggressive strategy of export-and-foreign-investment-led industrialisation; and second, the extraordinary pace of China’s growth. Thus, between 2000 and 2007, China’s merchandise exports almost quintupled in value to account for nearly 9 per cent of world exports, while India’s export share increased sedately from 0.7 to 1 per cent. The increase in the value of China’s exports over the seven years was nearly seven times India’s total exports in 2007.

Despite the rapid growth of India’s information technology-based service exports since 1995, in 2007 China’s total service exports exceeded India’s by 40 per cent. By 2007 China’s $1,500bn of foreign exchange reserves were about six times India’s and her current account surplus of $370bn was of a different order from India’s modest deficits. In most years of this decade foreign direct investment inflows into China have been eight to 12 times higher than to India, though the multiple dropped after 2005.

Similarly, China’s primary energy consumption of commercial fuels has doubled since 2000 to about 1.9bn tonnes of oil equivalent. The increase over the seven years is more than double India’s total primary energy consumption of 410m tonnes of oil equivalent in 2007. Unsurprisingly, China’s carbon dioxide emissions had soared to 5.6bn tonnes by 2006, compared with 1.3bn tonnes from India. In per capita terms China’s emissions were almost four times higher than India’s. With China’s economy three times as large as India’s today and given her disproportionately larger footprint in international trade, capital flows, energy consumption and carbon emissions, China’s potential role in helping solve the major global economic issues of the day is correspondingly greater. For example, in the global recession, China’s massive fiscal stimulus over the past year has already helped revive China’s growth and imparted a significant stimulus to other Asian economies.

Similarly, on the enduring issue of global imbalances, India, with her modest current account deficits and high share of private consumption, can do little to ameliorate this problem. China, in contrast, can play a much bigger part by stimulating greater consumption and undertaking significant currency appreciation to contain and reduce her massive current account surpluses.

Both countries have an important stake in bringing the Doha round to a successful conclusion: China because she is one of the biggest trading nations; and India because her economic interests are better served by a liberal, international trading order than a system of regional blocs. On the contentious issue of greenhouse gases, China’s actions will obviously have much more significant consequences, given that her emissions are four times greater in both absolute and per capita terms.

What of the future? Many believe that on current trends India will achieve China’s present economic scale in about 15 years. Perhaps. But by then, it is not unreasonable to expect that the Chinese economy may also have expanded threefold. The main point is that China’s explosive growth has not only dominated the global economic scene over the past decade; there is a strong likelihood that it will do so for the decade ahead as well. Put differently, there is really only one new economic giant in town. The other potential giant, India, is still a relative stripling. Thus far her growth in trade, capital flows, energy consumption and emissions has been at a steady, moderate pace. Ten or 15 years on, the story may be different.

In an important sense, the sequential rise of China and India has made things easier for the global economic community. The strains of accommodating one giant at a time have been substantial but broadly manageable. Had both these populous Asian countries embarked on growth of 8-10 per cent a year at roughly the same time, it could have been far more challenging for the international economic order – and perhaps more dangerous.

The writer is former chief economic adviser to to the government of India. His most recent book is India and Global Crisis

India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - acharya - 07-30-2009

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India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - dhu - 07-30-2009

Looks like Americans have assets in China:

China says it seizes metals bound for NKorea

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->BEIJING – <b>Chinese customs authorities have seized a stash of vanadium, a strategic metal used to strengthen steel,</b> hidden in fruit boxes <b>on a truck bound for North Korea, </b>an official said Tuesday.

<b>Vanadium has defense and nuclear applications</b> — alloys with vanadium are used in missile casings — but it was not clear what the stash would be used for.

<b>The seizure comes as the United States has been rallying international support for strict enforcement of a new U.N. resolution adopted to punish North Korea for its nuclear test on May 25. </b>The sanctions seek to deprive the North of financing and material for its weapons program, and allows inspections of suspect cargo in ports and on the high seas.

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India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - acharya - 07-30-2009

People's Daily, China
The Changing Face of China-US Relations
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The two countries have already established over 60 various mechanisms for negotiation and discussion and have initiated effective coordination and cooperation around international and regional issues such as anti-terrorism, nonproliferation, climate change, and other global issues.<b> In 2008, personnel exchanges between the countries surpassed two million people. Of the students China sends abroad, nearly one third go to the United States; there are currently over 12,000 American students studying in China</b>.

The Sino-American trade relationship is strongly complementary. Its cooperative foundation is profound and its development is rapid. Our partnership has evolved into a pattern of interdependence, mutual benefit, and common development. Currently China and the U.S. are each other's second largest trading partners;<b> China is America’s third largest export market and the U.S. is China's second largest export market. In 2008, combined trade between the two countries reached a value of $333.7 billion, over 130 times the amount at the opening up of relations between the countries</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

India - China: Relations And Developments-2 - Guest - 08-04-2009

<b>view: Sino-Indian water divide —Brahma Chellaney</b>
<i>China’s hydro-engineering projects and plans are a reminder that Tibet is at the heart of the India-China divide. Tibet ceased to be a political buffer when China annexed it nearly six decades ago. But Tibet can still become a political bridge between China and India</i>