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What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - dhu - 12-09-2009

Quote:Hart and other Jewish academic racists left American Renaissance shortly thereafter, when Taylor declined to explicitly ban anti-Semites. But Hart was apparently not ready to give up public discussion of the superiority of the white race. Hence, "Preserving Western Civilization," Hart's Jewish-friendly replacement for the American Renaissance conference. [url="http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=912"]link[/url]



It looks like this guy broke with American Renaissance over antisemitism. He then started to promote 'Western civilization' as a 'secular' version of christendom (antisemitic), which includes the Jewish people.



But the ones who have been excluded:



Quote:It wasn't just minorities who were slammed at Hart's conference. Muslims came in for some serious drubbing, too.



What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - ramana - 12-09-2009

Reason why I alerted dhu was that there are attempts to come up with a new theory which maintains the Western dominance. They wont give up AIT till they have something better, for, if they give it up they have to go back to the bible's prescription. And ths regress and not progress. So expect more such works.


What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - HareKrishna - 12-10-2009

[quote name='ramana' date='09 December 2009 - 11:16 PM' timestamp='1260380329' post='102855']

Reason why I alerted dhu was that there are attempts to come up with a new theory which maintains the Western dominance. They wont give up AIT till they have something better, for, if they give it up they have to go back to the bible's prescription. And ths regress and not progress. So expect more such works.

[/quote]

i guess this come here

1-Temperats(like europeans above 40 parallel and east asians) are

-high IQ

-technical oriented(see germans and east asians)

-less religious(see europeans and chinese;non-belivers appear in this regions)

-less superstitious

-less violent,more reason over instincts





2-Tropicals (africans,middle easterners,south ans south east asians)are

-low IQ-which translate in

-difficulty in using complex technology(resulting poverty)

-believing more superstitions

-more violent,being less IQ they have more instinctual behavior.



-more conservative,they stubbornly keep the bad old habits.

-artistic oriented(from yantras and persian carpets to hip hop and techno)

-religious fanatics,majority of fanatics you find them in tropical region



Being religious fanatics tropicals are the main cause for future world destruction or going back to the stone age.


What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - acharya - 12-10-2009

[quote name='HareKrishna' date='10 December 2009 - 07:01 PM' timestamp='1260451411' post='102864']



2-Tropicals (africans,middle easterners,south ans south east asians)are

-low IQ-which translate in

-difficulty in using complex technology(resulting poverty)

-believing more superstitions

-more violent,being less IQ they have more instinctual behavior.



-more conservative,they stubbornly keep the bad old habits.

-artistic oriented(from yantras and persian carpets to hip hop and techno)

-religious fanatics,majority of fanatics you find them in tropical region



Being religious fanatics tropicals are the main cause for future world destruction or going back to the stone age.

[/quote]



Most of the civilization has come from the Tropical regions and some of the greatest empires and human development has taken place in this region.



So the above list is only a superstitions.

Brilliant thoughts and abstract complex thoughts have come Indian civilization.


What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - Guest - 12-11-2009

[quote name='HareKrishna' date='10 December 2009 - 07:01 PM' timestamp='1260451411' post='102864']

i guess this come here

2-Tropicals (africans,middle easterners,south ans south east asians)are

-low IQ-which translate in

-difficulty in using complex technology(resulting poverty)

-believing more superstitions

-more violent,being less IQ they have more instinctual behavior.



-more conservative,they stubbornly keep the bad old habits.

-artistic oriented(from yantras and persian carpets to hip hop and techno)

-religious fanatics,majority of fanatics you find them in tropical region



Being religious fanatics tropicals are the main cause for future world destruction or going back to the stone age.

[/quote]





Is this for real? Sounds like unadulterated rubbish. Who came up with this list? It has more holes than material


What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - shamu - 12-11-2009

[quote name='HareKrishna' date='10 December 2009 - 07:01 PM' timestamp='1260451411' post='102864']

i guess this come here

1-Temperats(like europeans above 40 parallel and east asians) are

-high IQ [/quote]

Where was their IQ till 1500 AD?



Quote:-technical oriented(see germans and east asians)

Germans were barbarians for most part of the history



Quote:-less religious(see europeans and chinese;non-belivers appear in this regions)

Ever heard of dark age of Europe?



Quote:-less superstitious

Heard of bible belt in US?



Quote:-less violent,more reason over instincts

Please tell this to Africans and Native Americans.


What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - dhu - 12-12-2009

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sci-tech/scientists-rejig-human-evolution-indians-ancestors-of-east-asians-lead_100287805.html

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2009/12/12/200912120027.asp

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/varanasi/Indian-scientist-set-to-change-world-history/articleshow/5301655.cms


What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - dhu - 12-12-2009

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Ancestors-of-Chinese-came-from-India-Study/articleshow/5328596.cms


What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - dhu - 12-13-2009

Bhandaar phoota.



http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20091211/808/tnl-first-settlers-in-china-and-the-orie.html


What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - dhu - 12-13-2009

http://www.dnaindia.com%2Fscitech%2Freport_the-chinese-evolved-from-indians-study_1322647

http://www.expressindia.com%2Flatest-news%2FIndia-is-the-source-of-genetic-diversity---Study%2F553371%2F

http://www.hindustantimes.com%2FNews-Feed%2Fnewdelhi%2FFirst-settlers-in-China-and-the-Orient-were-Indian-migrants-Study%2FArticle1-485546.aspx


What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - HareKrishna - 12-13-2009

[quote name='dhu' date='13 December 2009 - 05:43 AM' timestamp='1260662712' post='102928']

Bhandaar phoota.



http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20091211/808/tnl-first-settlers-in-china-and-the-orie.html

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It cant be.

Mongol race have clear adaptation to the coldness so must evolved in in cold enviroment like Siberia and Mongolia.

South east asia was never cold and even China wasnt cold enough during that time.

So mongol race must migrate from the north to the south .

So the north must have more genetic diversity then the south.

Yet genetic studies show that he south have more diversity then the north and almost all haplotypes have origin in the south.

This puzzle we must solve.

Classical theory show that mongols go from Africa to Central asia ,from there to Mongolia (were they developed adaptation to coldness)and then migrate to south east Asia.


What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - Husky - 12-13-2009

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What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - Husky - 12-13-2009

Sorry, doubleposted again. Apparently I can't edit.

Again: where's the delete button?


What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - dhu - 12-13-2009

Husky, that was exactly what I was wondering... Thanks


What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - dhu - 12-14-2009

[quote name='HareKrishna' date='13 December 2009 - 07:13 AM' timestamp='1260668114' post='102930']

Yet genetic studies show that he south have more diversity then the north and almost all haplotypes have origin in the south.

This puzzle we must solve.

Classical theory show that mongols go from Africa to Central asia ,from there to Mongolia (were they developed adaptation to coldness)and then migrate to south east Asia.

[/quote]



It was probably at headwaters of Brahmaputra. Lhasa-Guwahati stretch.



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What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - HareKrishna - 12-14-2009

replacing Siberian theory whit a Himalayan one?that is similar whit Oppenheimer theory


What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - acharya - 12-14-2009

Quote:Scientists Find A DNA Change That Accounts For White Skin

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501728.html

By Rick Weiss

Washington Post Staff Writer

Friday, December 16, 2005

Scientists said yesterday that they have discovered a tiny genetic mutation that largely explains the first appearance of white skin in humans tens of thousands of years ago, a finding that helps solve one of biology's most enduring mysteries and illuminates one of humanity's greatest sources of strife.



The work suggests that the skin-whitening mutation occurred by chance in a single individual after the first human exodus from Africa, when all people were brown-skinned. That person's offspring apparently thrived as humans moved northward into what is now Europe, helping to give rise to the lightest of the world's races.



Leaders of the study, at Penn State University, warned against interpreting the finding as a discovery of "the race gene." Race is a vaguely defined biological, social and political concept, they noted, and skin color is only part of what race is -- and is not.



In fact, several scientists said, the new work shows just how small a biological difference is reflected by skin color. The newly found mutation involves a change of just one letter of DNA code out of the 3.1 billion letters in the human genome -- the complete instructions for making a human being.





A few genes have previously been associated with human pigment disorders -- most notably those that, when mutated, lead to albinism, an extreme form of pigment loss. But the newly found glitch is the first found to play a role in the formation of "normal" white skin. The Penn State team calculates that the gene, known as slc24a5, is responsible for about one-third of the pigment loss that made black skin white. A few other as-yet-unidentified mutated genes apparently account for the rest.







Although precise dating is impossible, several scientists speculated on the basis of its spread and variation that the mutation arose between 20,000 and 50,000 years ago. That would be consistent with research showing that a wave of ancestral humans migrated northward and eastward out of Africa about 50,000 years ago.



What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - dhu - 12-15-2009

[quote name='HareKrishna' date='14 December 2009 - 12:09 PM' timestamp='1260772275' post='102954']

replacing Siberian theory whit a Himalayan one?that is similar whit Oppenheimer theory

[/quote]



That is what I was thinking also, but Oppenheimer does not indicate this in his book (from what I could gather). Interestingly, it was an earlier version of his wikipedia page which proposed E himalayan for Mongoloid and W Himalayan for Indic.



MNOPS has SEA center of gravity. P would have to be Bengal. R pan-Indian. Q Central/S Asian with rapid dispersal into Siberia. R disperses into Russia. MNOPS really shut the door on Northern Eurasian dispersal either in East or in West. These studies only confirm... It's good they stayed away form ANI ASI Type gimmicks...


What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - dhu - 12-30-2009

I had another encounter with Nichols' 'Linguistic Diversity'. The author was able to deduce a 100K migration into ~Tropical Asia. 50K-30K secondary migration into ~Oceania, Europe and Inner Asia. And a post glacial migration. It is in the last phase that IE, Iranian, Turkic, and Mongolian all expand out from the East, with Uralic as an everpresent witness.


What DNA Says About Aryan Invasion Theory -2 - dhu - 01-03-2010

[url="http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1410-unmasking-ait/page__view__findpost__p__103273"]Re: post1[/url] [url="http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1410-unmasking-ait/page__view__findpost__p__103264"]Post 2[/url]



These Spencerwalas always manage to implicate diversity as a sign of exclusivity...



The article is discussing the origins of C which is a minor clade in India and a brother of the pan-eurasian F. If C originates in India, then this strengthens the origin of F in India as well. Along with the facts that:



Europe was a Neantherthal lebensraum,

proven differential settlement of Europe versus Northern India and Tropical Asia,

the exclusive presence of minor F clades in India,

MNOPS' Eastern center of gravity,

an Indian counterpart L to transcontinental T

an Indian counterpart H to Iranian/ME G

exclusive presence of minor K clades in India ....



.. The single southern coastal migration is a given at this stage.



An important quote from the herrenvolk forum (in case it disappears):



Quote:I presume that your "K", is what was recently described as MNOPS macro-haplogroup and that this is the same as previously detected as NOP. So basically it's K(xL,T), right?



Hence there is authoctonous IJK and K (your "KT") in India: it's called L and K1. It is not totally impossible that some of the ignored F-number lineages, that are mostly South Asian, also belong to IJK.



Whatever the case at the state of the art of Y-DNA knowledge F looks a lot like South Asian in origin, with 4/7 described subhaplogroups exclussive of the subcontinent. What IJK and K did after is more complicated to explain admittedly but, considering that IJ is West Eurasian and MNOPS looks as having a SE Asian homeland, I would not hurry in discarding a central role for South Asia in this secondary process anyhow. Y-DNA lineages obviously can either roll over or vanish too easily and the possible minor haplogroups in all these new matriushka subsets of F are still totally unresearched. Remember that before the "F*" diversity was somehow understood almost nobody thought this lineage had a South Asian origin, but a Western one. The same is surely the case with all these new sublineages: we only see the big stuff and we must be missing crucial details in the "asterisk" zone.