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Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - HareKrishna - 03-20-2010

[quote name='shamu' date='20 March 2010 - 10:12 AM' timestamp='1269059653' post='105296']

OK. So these are modern imaginary drawings to support AIT, and not any ancient paintings or based on folk stories of people in that area.

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more likely from textile and wood remains from that area.


Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - shamu - 03-20-2010

Isn't possible that the same textile and wood remains are of something totally different?



Also, isn't it possible that the artists got inspiration to draw these charriots from the description in Hindu Puranas such as Mahabharata?


Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - HareKrishna - 03-20-2010

[quote name='shamu' date='20 March 2010 - 12:41 PM' timestamp='1269068603' post='105299']

Isn't possible that the same textile and wood remains are of something totally different?



Also, isn't it possible that the artists got inspiration to draw these charriots from the description in Hindu Puranas such as Mahabharata?

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I heard claims that costumes of Tarim mummies and tocharians are identical or similar whit those of irish or european ones.However,from th e pictures that i have seen they look distinctly central asian,similar whit Scythian and even later turkik.

The dotted patern was specific to middle east from Babylon to Turkey and from Ukraine to west China.also the wrapping at the neck level is typical saka.

The square or linear pattern is to general to draw conclusions as it is spread from Ireland to Indonesia .its a simple pattern rezulted from th e weaving technique it-self.


Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - HareKrishna - 03-20-2010

Tockarians irish or european costume or clothing?

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Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - shamu - 03-20-2010

dressing is fine. What about charriots?


Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - dhu - 03-21-2010

[quote name='shamu' date='20 March 2010 - 11:26 PM' timestamp='1269107298' post='105309']

dressing is fine. What about charriots?

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Red herring arguments by the euros. C Asia harbors all the progenitor lines for the Euros. Those were just local afghans coalescing around the oases, whose identity is being usurped by the euros.


Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - acharya - 03-21-2010

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Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - HareKrishna - 03-21-2010

[quote name='shamu' date='20 March 2010 - 11:26 PM' timestamp='1269107298' post='105309']

dressing is fine. What about charriots?

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i didnt get you .You mean that the tokarian dress is european? and what about chariots?

are euro costume similar whit tokarians?

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Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - Guest - 03-23-2010

I don't get it with discussion on dress or relevance on this thread?


Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - HareKrishna - 03-26-2010

[quote name='Viren' date='23 March 2010 - 02:11 AM' timestamp='1269290024' post='105368']

I don't get it with discussion on dress or relevance on this thread?

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Bcoz aryanists claim that central asian dress is of european origin and its a proof for european place-origin. We show it that is not the case.


Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - dhu - 04-07-2010

[url="http://www.telegraphindia.com//1100406/jsp/nation/story_12307704.jsp"]Indus Valley east theory challenged[/url]



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The findings, published in Current Science, a journal of the Indian Academy of Sciences, dispute suggestions by international researchers that farming and urbanisation in the region was driven by a “wave of advance” moving eastward.

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Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - HareKrishna - 04-08-2010

[quote name='dhu' date='07 April 2010 - 11:17 AM' timestamp='1270618790' post='105766']

[url="http://www.telegraphindia.com//1100406/jsp/nation/story_12307704.jsp"]Indus Valley east theory challenged[/url]



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The findings, published in Current Science, a journal of the Indian Academy of Sciences, dispute suggestions by international researchers that farming and urbanisation in the region was driven by a “wave of advance” moving eastward.

..

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nothing new,

Is clear that rice(sativa indica) came from the east in 7000BC, supposedly from south east asia or China.

And wheat came from middle east just about the same period.

So west India was at the confluence between wheat and rice farming.


Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - dhu - 04-08-2010

Work has progressed from Mortimer's days..



Quote:Lahuradewa in India, 9000 BCE [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic#South_and_East_Asia"]link[/url]



This is basically right at the inception of neolithic..


Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - HareKrishna - 04-08-2010

[quote name='dhu' date='08 April 2010 - 01:03 AM' timestamp='1270668324' post='105773']

Work has progressed from Mortimer's days..







This is basically right at the inception of neolithic..

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Thats not change anything.

The oldest Neolithic site in South Asia is Mehrgarh from 7000 BC. It lies on the "Kachi plain of Baluchistan, Pakistan, and is one of the earliest sites with evidence of farming (wheat and barley) and herding (cattle, sheep and goats) in South Asia."

One of the earliest Neolithic sites in India is Lahuradewa, at Middle Ganges region, C14 dated around 7th millennium BCE.[17] Recently another site near the confluence of the Ganges and Yamuna rivers called Jhusi yielded a C14 dating of 7100 BCE for its Neolithic levels.[18] A new 2009 report by archaeologist Rakesh Tewari on Lahuradewa shows new C14 datings that range between 8000 BCE and 9000 BCE associated with rice, making Lahuradewa the earliest Neolithic site in entire South Asia.

In South India, the Neolithic began by 3000 BCE and lasted until around 1400 BCE when the Megalithic transition period began. South Indian Neolithic is characterized by Ashmounds since 2500 BCE in Karnataka region, expanded later to Tamil Nadu.



The type site at Pengtoushan was discovered in Li County, Hunan. This site is the earliest permanently settled village yet discovered in China.[2] Excavated in 1988, Pengtoushan has been difficult to date accurately, with a large variability in dates ranging from 9000 BCE to 5500 BCE.[2] Cord-marked pottery was discovered among the burial goods.



Analysis of Chinese rice residues which were Carbon-14 dated to 8200-7800 BCE show that rice had been domesticated by this time



So is the rice coming from South-east Asia in India or not ?


Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - dhu - 04-08-2010

[quote name='HareKrishna' date='08 April 2010 - 03:01 AM' timestamp='1270675411' post='105774']



So is the rice coming from South-east Asia in India or not ?

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Rice is probably from India, Bengal basin. There is another independent one in South China.


Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - HareKrishna - 04-08-2010

[quote name='dhu' date='08 April 2010 - 07:28 AM' timestamp='1270691432' post='105777']

Rice is probably from India, Bengal basin. There is another independent one in South China.

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any evidence?


Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - dhu - 04-08-2010

Quote:He explained that rice farming likely evolved independently in different parts of Asia, such as along the Ganges River in India.



"It's very clear now from the genetics of modern rice that it has multiple origins from the wild gene pool right across southern China and northern and eastern India," Fuller said. [url="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070926-china-rice_2.html"]link[/url]



Quote:I asked Fuller directly, and he said that he thinks “there is a good case archaeologically (and genetically) to be made for a separate origin in the middle Ganges”.[url="http://agro.biodiver.se/2009/03/when-and-where-was-rice-domesticated/"]link[/url]



Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - HareKrishna - 04-08-2010

Thanks ,i appreciate.

Thats make sense to me.


Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - dhu - 04-09-2010

HK,



A major psyop being pushed by these jokers is : N China as a conceptual parallel to supposed euro Herrenvolk movements into C/S Asia. N China however correlates civilizationally with NW India. Mongols possibly with Afghans/other CAsian groups. For either region (SA or EA), the western periphery has an equivalent role of genetic sink, while the barbarian dynamic is internal and relatively minor.

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We need studies on monotheism's alteration of the center periphery dynamics in Asia. It may just be an apparent alteration which will fade with ....


Aryan Invasion/migration Theories & Debates -2 - HareKrishna - 04-09-2010

[quote name='dhu' date='09 April 2010 - 12:31 AM' timestamp='1270752798' post='105793']

HK,



A major psyop being pushed by these jokers is : N China as a conceptual parallel to supposed euro Herrenvolk movements into C/S Asia. N China however correlates civilizationally with NW India. Mongols possibly with Afghans/other CAsian groups. For either region (SA or EA), the western periphery has an equivalent role of genetic sink, while the barbarian dynamic is internal and relatively minor.

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We need studies on monotheism's alteration of the center periphery dynamics in Asia. It may just be an apparent alteration which will fade with ....

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I'm afraid we dont understand.alteration of monotheism.

As far as i know there was a monotheist in China (Shang Ti or Tian) and in India( Bhagavata or Vaishnava).whit the difference that the Source emanated the gods and universes,while the abrahamic Source creates from nothing angels and the universe.

So what is the alteration i dont know. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' />