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Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Guest - 11-27-2004
If a nation needs a strategic objective, it is this: Bharat should set a goal to retrieve Manasarovar as cultural capital of Bharat.
Dhanyavaadah. Kalyanaraman
Saradapeeth, historic pilgrimage centre in PoK, in shambles :
World News > Muzaffarabad (PoK), Nov 26 : The centuries-old Sharadapeeth temple, a major pilgrimage centre for Kashmiri Pandits situated in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), is in a bad shape and needs immediate face-lift.
"The temple is not in a good condition because of continued tension on the Line of Control (LoC) and requires an immediate face-lift. Now since the tension has eased considerably, we plan to carry out the necessary works," Mufti Mansoor, Minister for Archaeology in the 'Azad Kashmir' government, told PTI here.
The Mufti, who is a legislator from the Sharadapeeth area, also said that his government was ready to facilitate the movement of Kashmiri Pandit pilgrims "once the Srinagar- Muzaffarabad bus service begins and they are allowed to come in".
He said the local government was ready to carry out renovation of the centuries-old temple.
The Kashmiri Pandits in India have been urging the Union Home Ministry as well as the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi to allow them to visit the shrine every year.
The Pandits have been pleading for quite some time that the pilgrimage be allowed in line with that of the Sikhs to Pakistan and the Pakistan-based Hindus to Indian shrines. PTI
http://www.123bharath.com/news/index.php?a...llnews&id=39343
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Guest - 01-28-2005
Hi,everybody. I'm from China. I love Indian songs and dances.
Everytime I hear the melody, my heart's cord is like being plucked.
I don't know Hindi. Universal as music is, language is the biggest obstacle to savor the lyrics deeply. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> Forgive my ignorance. Can you tell me what Rakesh means?
It's a name. But I'm wondering if it indicates any caste or smack of social echelon? <!--emo&:unsure:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='unsure.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Indians speak very fluent English. Chinese and English belong to different language systems. Before expressing an idea in English, we have to find similar words equivalent to what we mean in Chinese. In most cases, that's extremely difficult because of the huge culture gap. Simply no equivalence!
I'm curious if Indian have to take so much time as we do in searching for the so-called equivalent English words before you speak out, as Hindi and English both belong to Indian-European Language system.
Thank you all. I wish to travel around your incredible country some day. <!--emo&:lol:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Guest - 01-28-2005
Welcome to the forum kaumi, hopefully we can learn a lot about each others culture and ancient civilizations.
<!--QuoteBegin-kaumi+Jan 28 2005, 03:25 AM-->QUOTE(kaumi @ Jan 28 2005, 03:25 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Can you tell me what Rakesh means?
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Rakesh means "moon".
This thread will be merged with Misc questions thread. For one off questions, please don't start a new thread.
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Guest - 01-28-2005
rAkA = moon (full moon)
rAkesha = lord of the moon = a name for shiva
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Guest - 02-05-2005
These days you see lots of pakistanis saying that our culture is the same. How do you think about that? And why?
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Sunder - 02-05-2005
<!--QuoteBegin-Ya$h+Feb 5 2005, 10:59 AM-->QUOTE(Ya$h @ Feb 5 2005, 10:59 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> These days you see lots of pakistanis saying that our culture is the same. How do you think about that? And why? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont think much about it.. Coz' I have better things to do.
did that answer your question?
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Guest - 02-05-2005
<!--QuoteBegin-Sunder+Feb 5 2005, 02:21 PM-->QUOTE(Sunder @ Feb 5 2005, 02:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ya$h+Feb 5 2005, 10:59 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ya$h @ Feb 5 2005, 10:59 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> These days you see lots of pakistanis saying that our culture is the same. How do you think about that? And why? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont think much about it.. Coz' I have better things to do.
did that answer your question? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
May be we should merge this with humor thread! <!--emo&:lol:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' /><!--endemo--> In a little while anyways
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Guest - 02-05-2005
<!--QuoteBegin-Sunder+Feb 5 2005, 02:21 PM-->QUOTE(Sunder @ Feb 5 2005, 02:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ya$h+Feb 5 2005, 10:59 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ya$h @ Feb 5 2005, 10:59 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> These days you see lots of pakistanis saying that our culture is the same. How do you think about that? And why? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont think much about it.. Coz' I have better things to do.
did that answer your question? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok, I also have another question:
There is a pakistani with the same culture, and a Indian who is westernised but still calls himself an Indian. To which of the 2 you feel more related?
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Guest - 02-05-2005
<!--QuoteBegin-k.ram+Feb 5 2005, 07:34 PM-->QUOTE(k.ram @ Feb 5 2005, 07:34 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Sunder+Feb 5 2005, 02:21 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sunder @ Feb 5 2005, 02:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ya$h+Feb 5 2005, 10:59 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ya$h @ Feb 5 2005, 10:59 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> These days you see lots of pakistanis saying that our culture is the same. How do you think about that? And why? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont think much about it.. Coz' I have better things to do.
did that answer your question? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
May be we should merge this with humor thread! <!--emo&:lol:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' /><!--endemo--> In a little while anyways <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I knew a few would find this a stupid topic. But as an overseas Indian i also live between pakistanis. And i get tired of their claimings. So i thought...maybe should i open a topic about it, to see how you guys think about it.
<!--emo&:ind--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/india.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='india.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&
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Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Guest - 02-05-2005
Parasites : Pakistanis :: Healthy Body: Any Respectable Culture
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Guest - 02-25-2005
In India/Hindus when person or true saint reaches to an age with frequent health problem, they normally prepare their body to leave earth. My both grandmothers, in place of depending on medicines or hospitalization started having Ganga jal for two days and left her body. I have seen and heard lot of saint doing Samadhi.
Current pope is old and need help but still trying everything to prolong his life, even quality of life is not there. Why such a difference? What is xitians thought process on this issue?
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Sunder - 02-25-2005
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Current pope is old and need help but still trying everything to prolong his life, even quality of life is not there. Why such a difference? What is xitians thought process on this issue?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In the Dharmic religions - not limited to just Vaidhika Dharma - the concept of reincarnation is a central pillar. Leaving a body and going to a new one is akin to giving up your old dilapidated dabba car and buying a new car. The body is seen as Dharmic paramparas as only a vehicle.
I may be wrong, but even in the bible does not believe in medicine. It promotes faith over human doctors.
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What does the Bible reveal about healers in the ancient world? In one part of the Old Testament, it says that King Asaâs death may have been from depending only on human healers, and not asking for Godâs help (2 Chr 16.12,13). Also, the prophet Jeremiah questions whether medicine or doctors can truly provide healing (Jer 8.22). After all, God is seen as the main healer in the Old Testament (Exod 15.26; Ps 41.1-4; Jer 17.14; Hos 6.1). In fact, often the priests were seen as healers on Godâs behalf (Lev 13.1-3; 14.1-20). That is why Hannah went to the temple to pray for Godâs help once she realized that she could not have children (1 Sam 1.1-18). (In ancient times, this was seen as sickness in a woman).
Even the mythical Jesus allegedly knew these laws about sickness and being cleansed, but he also allegedly showed himself to be a great healer. Many of Jesus' alleged miracles included healing people considered unclean. He seemingly encouraged the ten men he healed of leprosy to show themselves to the priests, probably so they could go through the ritual cleansing and be welcomed back into the community of God's people. Another time, Jesusâ power allegedly healed a woman who had spent all her money and had gone to many doctors without finding a cure (Mark 5.25â34). Jesus also allegedly offered his healing to those who were not part of the Jewish people, just as the prophets before him had done.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Men of no faith like PJP II profess to have faith in jesus, and plan on converting the asian continent. These men themselves do not have the faith, and resort to holding on to an ageing cage.
I fully am for PJP.2 to be treated by modern science that the church vehemently opposes. What disturbs me is the double standard of the church that runs to the medicine man whom they oppose, and forsake the "healer" whom they profess in.
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - gangajal - 02-25-2005
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Feb 25 2005, 02:36 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Feb 25 2005, 02:36 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> In India/Hindus when person or true saint reaches to an age with frequent health problem, they normally prepare their body to leave earth. My both grandmothers in place of depending on medicines or hospitalization started having Ganga jal for two days and left her body. I have seen and heard lot of saint doing Samadhi.
Current pope is old and need help but still trying everything to prolong his life, even quality of life is not there. Why such a difference? What is xitians thought process on this issue? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
One reason is of course just concern for an old man who happens to be their leader.
There may be another reason. Christians believe that they will be bodily resurrected at the day of judgement. Some American Christians believe that the bodily resurruction could happen even when alive. They call this rapture. Given this strong emphasis on bodily resurrection it makes sense that Christians do not have any concept of giving up the body easily! why would they do so since that body will again be restored to them?
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Guest - 02-25-2005
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One reason is of course just concern for an old man who happens to be their leader.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here he himself wants to prolong his life. "Moksha" is not there.
Why I am comparing this with my grandmother because she was also 84 and was in good health. She had little problem for three months, which was diagnosed as Cancer. No one told her sickness is serious but she started all preparation e.g. Got herself stitch new dress for cremation, new jewelry, nail polish color, last gifts to grand children (Yes my grand mother was very fashion conscious till her last breath). She called everyone. Every minute details regarding donations etc was planned by her. It needs lot of courage to refuse medicines and leave body on will. She wanted to die during Navaratra days.
It is a detachment, to gain higher place, I believe.
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - gangajal - 02-25-2005
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Feb 25 2005, 04:59 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Feb 25 2005, 04:59 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->
Here he himself wants to prolong his life. "Moksha" is not there.
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The pope does not have to worry about Moksha. As a believer in Jesus he is already saved.
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Sunder - 02-25-2005
<!--QuoteBegin-gangajal+Feb 25 2005, 05:22 AM-->QUOTE(gangajal @ Feb 25 2005, 05:22 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Feb 25 2005, 04:59 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mudy @ Feb 25 2005, 04:59 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->
Here he himself wants to prolong his life. "Moksha" is not there.
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The pope does not have to worry about Moksha. As a believer in Jesus he is already saved. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From what ? (I know xtians would say 'hellfire'). But we know that hellfire and heaven-mist are as mythical as rabbit's horns. This itself would warrant a debate - "Criticism on Christianity" - and it's evaluation according to Vedanta.
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - gangajal - 02-25-2005
<!--QuoteBegin-Sunder+Feb 25 2005, 05:32 AM-->QUOTE(Sunder @ Feb 25 2005, 05:32 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> From what ? (I know xtians would say 'hellfire'). But we know that hellfire and heaven-mist are as mythical as rabbit's horns. This itself would warrant a debate - "Criticism on Christianity" - and it's evaluation according to Vedanta. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hell fire and heavenly-mist are very real for Christians. I once saw a TV program where a South Korean Christian talked of his fear of hell after reading Biblical references about nashing of teeth in hell. Christians have every thing nicely sown up. They have to believe in Jesus and repent and Jesus will at once cancel all their sins and this is called new birth. Of course since the temptations are always there, the Christian may again commit sin but then again there is the option of repentance and being saved by Jesus. So it is a story of being born again and again.
It is this that gives Christianity its appeal. Repeated repentence and repeated saves by Jesus is the requirement. Of course, Jesus said, "Be ye perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect". The Christians view this saying as an impossible task. A Hindu convert to Christianity told me once that because it is impossible to be as perfect as God, it is absolutely necessary to believe in Jesus.
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Sunder - 02-25-2005
All thru Deuteronomy it is clear that the 'LORD thy GOD' is only for the children of Israel and no others. I laugh when I hear Indian Christians (or even hindus) say that Christian God is universal - the same as the Brahman. I cant even equate jahovah with a Iyyanar.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/deu007.htm
7:1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
<b>7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
7:3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
7:4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
7:5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.</b>
7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; <b>for ye were the fewest of all people:</b>
7:8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
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How the Christians have stopped being chosen people as they are aiming at sheer numbers (as opposed to 7:7), and are blaspheming by marrying the heathen/pagans against the WILL of their god.
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Sunder - 02-25-2005
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hell fire and heavenly-mist are very real for Christians.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We have had this discussion on interpretation of 'real'. Your definition of reality seems to be tied with assertion or deep belief. According to this, even delusion can be considered reality, which in the vedantic sense - or any other sense - is simply wrong.
A few weeks ago, my friend raised a question... "Let's say a man TRULY believes that jihad will lead him to heaven, if he has 100% faith, will he be lead to Salvation?" The answer is an emphatic NO. Ignorance is absolutely no excuse to commit crimes. If someone believes that hating others can lead to good things, it is not sanctioned by the Shruthi, and definitely does not go with the laws of Karma.
Valmiki (Rathnakara) sincerely believed that robbing was his Dharma, and he would incur no sins. When Naradha Muni told him that he WOULD incur sins, he justified by saying that his sins would be shared by his family. When his wife wisely explained that Karma cannot be shared like bread & butter, he attained Intense Vairagya.
The point is, believing itself will not make things happen. Just because I believe I can perform lobotomy does not make me a doctor. I should have the KARMA (work experience) and the GNANA (know how) to get the CONFIDENCE.
In no uncertain terms, Bible is not Shruthi. Thus it is not a pramaana. Hence hell cannot be "REAL".
Miscellaneous Topics discussion - Sunder - 02-25-2005
This is an open question:
Does anyone happen to have Sri Ram Swarup's "HINDU VIEW OF CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM" ? I have read Vamadeva Sastry's revirews, and also Sri Sita Ram Goel ji's review.
Is it still in print or is it available for reading/downloading on Bharatvani or similar sites?