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History Of Kanchi Math - Guest - 11-15-2004 I was looking up the history of Kanchi math, as according to history, Sri Adi Shankaracharya established only four maths in Sringeri, Dwarka, Badrinath and Puri. I came across a site http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/alt_hindu_msg.html which says that Kanchi Math was a relatively recent math which started as a branch of Sringeri Math, and it appears convincing. Any thoughts? <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In article <31a8jt$21j@ucunix.san.uc.edu> sadananda@anvil.nrl.navy.mil (K.  Sadananda) writes: > In article <311hto$ni@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, editor.csm.uc.edu (digest  editor) > wrote: > > > * Former President Inaugurates Celebrations > >      Kanchipuram, July 24 (PTI) The former President, Mr R > > Venkataraman, today inaugurated the year long 60th centenary > > celebrations of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi, the head of the 2,500 > > year old Kanchi mutt, amidst religious fervour. > >      Sri Jayendra Saraswathi is the 69th pontiff of the mutt, > > which was established here by Adi Sankara, who was the first > > 'peedapathi' (head of the mutt) from 482 to 477 bc. > SIR > May I bring to your attention that by all accounts Adi Sankara time was > some where around 8th to 9th century AD.  And of the four Matts that he > established Kanchi is not one of them.  Either the Mutt is less than > 1100 years old or if it is 482 B.C. as is claimed in the news then it > must not have been established by Adi Sankaracharya.  Please check the > dates and the real history of the kanchi matt. Is there any one in the > network that has better information about the Kanchi peetam?  Sadananda Both this post and a previous one by Bon Giovanni have raised questions of  historicity of Adi Sankaracharya and the Kanchi math. This is not a new  question. It is generally accepted as tradition that Adi Sankaracharya,  the famous Advaita philosopher, founded four maths (monasteries) at  Sringeri, Puri, Dwaraka and Badrinath; that he ascended the famous  sarvagna-pitha in Kashmir, and finally passed away near Kedarnath. None of  the four recognized mathas claims jurisdiction over the other three. However,  the Kanchi math claims that Sankaracharya established a fifth math in  Kanchi, with jurisdiction over the recognized four mathas; that  Sankaracharya ascended a sarvagna-pitha not in Kashmir, but at Kanchi, and  that he passed away not in Kedarnath, but at Kanchi. These and other such  claims have been widely publicized by the followers of the Kanchi math  with the direct participation of and encouragement from the heads of the  Kanchi math, including the recently departed centenarian Sri  Chandrasekharendra Saraswati (C.S., for short) and his successor Sri  Jayendra Saraswati (J.S.). In Tamil, we have a saying "Do not question the origins of rivers  (nadimoolam) and rishis (rishimoolam)." Still, in terms of answering some  basic questions regarding dates in Indian history, one has to perforce  look at these. C.S. had a commanding personality. He impressed people of  such wide interests as Mahatma Gandhi, Arthur Koestler, Paul Brunton,  Milton Singer etc. Some of his more ardent followers have gone to the  extent of deifying him as "Nadamadum deivam" - the deity who walks. People  compose and sing songs in his praise, and dancers stage dance-dramas on his  life - all of which are widely advertised and reviewed in the south Indian  press. However, while some people might respect the recently departed  acharya of Kanchi as a rishi or as a deity, there is no reason why a frank  discussion cannot be held regarding the origins of the Kanchi math, and  C.S.'s involvement in propagating a thoroughly revised history of that  math - so thoroughly revised as to be almost wholly falsified. I would  like to clarify at the outset that no disrespect is meant to the Kanchi  math or its heads, but while talking of some aspects of history, one has  to call a spade a spade. Seven years ago, on August 22, 1987, Sri Jayendra Saraswati disappeared  from the Kanchi math. R. Venkatraman, an ardent devotee of the Kanchi math  was President of India at that time. A frantic search was held, with the  police of all four southern states, the CID and other agencies involved.  What made the disappearance more shocking to the orthodox followers of the  Kanchi math was that it was the period of chaturmasya, when a sannyasi was  not supposed to travel from his camping station. Sri Jayendra Saraswati  was finally traced to Talakaveri, the source of the Kaveri near Coorg in  Karnataka. Whatever else it accomplished, this episode created major stories in the Indian media. Tthe Kanchi math came under the spotlight once again, and it obtained wide publicity in the national media. I quote a few excerpts (without permission) from the Sept. 13, 1987 issue of The Illustrated Weekly of India, from a feature written by well-known journalist, K. P. Sunil. [1] Under a box titled "Disputed Lineage," K. P. Sunil writes, (My comments  are in parantheses): "On August 25, as speculation about the whereabouts of Jayendra  Saraswati mounted, the Sankaracharya of Dwaraka, Swaroopananda Saraswati,  camping at Pune for the Chaturmasya Vrata, while demanding a high level  probe into the mystery, asserted: "Sri Jayendra Saraswati cannot be  regarded as a Sankaracharya at all, because the Kanchi math is not one of  the four peethas constituted by Adi Sankaracharya. It is only a shakha  (branch) of the Sringeri peetham." "Several years earlier, Sir C. P. Ramaswamy Iyer, who headed the  central commission on Hindu religious and charitable endowments, had  announced that `there is no such thing as the Kanchi Kamakoti peetham.' .................. "Yet the Kanchi math has emerged as one of the most powerful  religious institutions in the country. "Full credit for this should go to Chandrasekharendra Saraswati  himself, who lifted a math disintegrating in Kumbhakonam and  re-established it in Kanchipuram, according it a position of pre-eminence. .................... "Legend has it that Sankara, at the age of 32, after having toured  most parts of India and after having established the four maths ........ "The turn of the present century saw a math claiming a lineage of  over 67 pontiffs in Kumbhakonam in Tanjore district." .............. "It was only in the 20th century works, all compiled after  Chandrasekharendra Saraswati, the present Paramacharya ascended the  peetha, that the history of the Kanchipuram math has been rewritten.  Accordingly, it was established (by whom, may I ask?) that Adi  Sankaracharya had spent the last days of his life in Kanchipuram where he  attained samadhi, and not in the Himalayas as is generally believed. A  mandapam named after the father of the school of advaita philosophy, seen  in the Kamakshi temple premises, is cited as his samadhi. (The said  mandapam has been constructed very recently. It was originally called  `Sankaracharya samadhi', but when it was pointed out there could not be a  samadhi inside a Devi temple, the mandapam was renamed `Sankaracharya  sannidhi' - sanctum, not a tomb.) "The twentieth century chronicles explain that before his demise,  Sankaracharya established a fifth math at Kanchi which he intended to be a  controlling centre of all the other maths. Sri Sureswaracharya, Sankara's  prime disciple was placed in charge of it. Interestingly, the Sringeri  math also claims Sureswaracharya as their first pontiff. (As an aside, the  tale of Sureswaracharya being in charge of the Kanchi math is pure  fiction. If Sankaracharya did not establish the Kanchi math at all,  where was the need to appoint a successor there?!! It is the Kanchi math  that "claims" Sureswara. The Sringeri math does not "claim" so. In fact, a  very old structure that is reputed to be Sureswara's samadhi is still  preserved outside the Sarada temple at Sringeri.) "According to the Kanchi chronicles, the math in Kanchipuram had  to be shifted in the 18th century AD, in the face of opposition from local  kings and hence the shift to Kumbhakonam. (One does not know of any  Hindu-hating king near Kanchipuram from the 18th century.) "Historians, however, hold that the Kumbhakonam math was in verity  a branch of the Sringeri math established in 1821 AD by the famous monarch  of Tanjore, Serfoji. (Mr. Sunil has a fact wrong here. The monarch of  Tanjore in 1821 was not Serfoji, but Pratap Singh Tuljaji. The  date 1821 is correct - it is the date of the oldest inscription found in  the Kumbhakonam math building.) Later, when a war broke out between the  kings of Tanjore and Mysore, the Kumbhakonam math proclaimed independence  from Sringeri and established itself as the Kamakoti peetham." (There is  no war documented between the Maratha rulers of Tanjore and the Wodeyars  of Mysore after 1821. By this time, both were more or less puppets of the  British. That the Kumbhakonam math proclaimed independence from Sringeri  however, is a fact. One does not have to explain it as a consequence of an  imaginary war that the maths had no connection with.) Mr. Sunil captures the major facts regarding the Kanchi math correctly  though. Briefly, 1. A branch of the Sringeri math was established in Kumbhakonam, the  building for which was constructed in 1821 AD, with the help of the  Tanjore king. The seal of this math is in Kannada language, and refers to  it as a "Sarada math." Since Sarada is worshipped only at Sringeri, and  the Goddess at Kanchipuram is Kamakshi, not Sarada, it is seen at once  that the Kumbhakonam math did not originally come from Kanchipuram. 2. The Kumbhakonam math soon proclaimed independence from Sringeri. In  fact, this math went one step further. In addition to denying the  historical truth of its origin as a branch of the Sringeri math, the story  propagated was that it was originally established by Adi Sankaracharya  himself at Kanchipuram, with control over the recognized four maths.  Worse, a wholly fictitious story that Adi Sankaracharya ascended a  sarvagna-pitha at Kanchi and attained samadhi at Kanchi is propagated as  "tradition." The real problem though was that in the course of this  campaign, someone with more enthusiasm than scholarship, "fixed" the date  of Adi Sankaracharya as 477 B.C. and wrote up a continuous list of gurus  of the math from 477 B.C. to the present! This guru parampara is filled  with names of sannyasis taken at random, with no thought to chronology. 3. The Kumbhakonam math shifted to Kanchipuram in accordance with its new  story. In 1839 AD, the head of the Kumbhakonam math applied for permission  to the English Collector to perform the kumbhabhishekam of the Kamakshi  temple in Kanchipuram. In 1842 AD, he was appointed sole trustee of the  Kamakshi temple by the English East India Company Government. This is well  documented because the original priests of the Kamakshi temple, who were thereby deprived of their rights, complained to whomever they could possibly complain to. Numerous petitions, counter petitions, letters, and other such documents are available from this period that allow us to piece together this account. [2] Thus the Kanchi math as an institution dates from 1842 AD. The headquarters continued to be at Kumbhakonam but the sannyasi head would periodically visit Kanchipuram to assert his rights over the Kamakshi temple. This math originally had a limited following in the Tanjore and Kanchipuram areas, but soon embarked on a massive propaganda campaign that ensured it prominence. 4. This propaganda campaign to disseminate disinformation received a major  fillip from the activites of C.S. As Mr. Sunil puts it, it is only in the  20th century, after C.S. took over as the head of the disintegrating math  at Kumbhakonam, that the accounts have been totally rewritten. Part of this  propaganda campaign includes a guru parampara that dates back to 477 BC.  One can go into great details to show that this guru parampara is false.  Suffice it to say however, that it is full of holes and is correct only in  the details given for the post-1820 period. Thus J.S. who is said to be  the 69th in direct succession from Adi Sankaracharya himself is actually  only the 6th or the 7th head  of the Kumbhakonam/Kanchi math. C.S. and   J.S. have been extremely fortunate in favourably impressing people like  Dr. T. M. P. Mahadevan, the famous philosopher, and Sri S. Ramakrishnan,  the executive secretary of the Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, not to speak of  influential journalists like Arun Shourie and Ram Nath Goenka, and politicians like President R. Venkatraman. As an example, in recent years, there has not been a single issue of the Bhavan's Journal without some feature or the other on either C.S. or J.S. For example, when the Berlin wall fell, the well-known guru, Sri Chinmoy, sent a piece of the rubble to the Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan as a souvenir. Sri Ramakrishnan immediately saw a photo opportunity, took the rock to Kanchipuram, and featured a picture of J.S. holding the rock on the cover of the Bhavan's Journal. Thus, Sri Chinmoy sends a souvenir to the Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan and J.S. of Kanchi Kamakoti Peetham gets photo credit! Sri Ramakrishnan apparently has no qualms in converting a prestigious magazine like the Bhavan's Journal into yet another propaganda pamphlet of the Kanchi math. If I sound like I am fulminating unjustifiably against the propaganda that  the Kanchi math engages in, I assure readers here that I am in fact  perfectly justified. I can cite innumerable instances where the most  blatant lies have been made without any compunction. All with an eye at  enhancing the apparent prestige of the Kanchi math. What the Kanchi math  doen't realize however, is that such stories only weaken its own  credibility and the respect which people may have for its acharyas. Thus a  simple PTI news item about the 60th birthday celebrations of J.S.  necessarily has to state something about the "2500 year history" of the  math. If the news item had been silent about it, I would not have felt the  need to write this article debunking their myths. The following excerpt  from the same article in the Illustrated Weekly should show readers the  exact means which the Kanchi math propaganda adopts. "The Vyasachaliya Sankara Vijayam, written by Maha Devendra  Saraswati, the 53rd acharya of the Kumbhakonam math in the 15th century,  makes no mention of the Kanchi math in his work. However, in a Tamil  translation of the work by Acharya Krishna Sastri, it is mentioned that  the then King of Nepal had accepted the acharya of Kanchi, located in  Kumbhakonam, as his Rajguru and was making a payment to the math every  year as guru dakshina. "Researchers, who doubted the claim, referred the matter to the  royal family of Nepal. the reply dated May 13. 1940 read `...Nepal has  never recognized the head of the Kanchi Kamakoti Peetham as their guru.  Nor do we annually contribute any portion of our income as alleged by  Pandit Acharya Krishna Sastri.'" Mr. Sunil who quotes this bit of history, seems to have overlooked one  minor point though. If the Kumbhakonam math was only established as a  branch math in 1821 AD, as he says in his article, the question of its  existence in the 15th century does not arise. Much less a name of its head  and a number to be attached to that name. Such "Pandits" as Acharya  Krishna Sastri who do not hesitate to blatantly lie, have been routinely  pressed into service by the Kanchi math for conducting its propaganda.  After all, who in south India would have thought of verifying his story  from such a distant place as Nepal? The technique of the Kanchi math has  been to lie left and right, with such thoroughness, that invariably some  part of its preposterous claims are accepted as truth by people. Exactly  the same phenomenon has occured with Mr. Sunil. He does not question the veracity of the claim that the Vyasachaliya Sankara Vijayam was written by one "Maha Devendra Saraswati, the 53rd acharya of the Kumbhakonam math in the 15th century." Nor does he particularly elaborate on the strangeness of the fact that this fictitious author of this real book only mentions the four traditionally accepted maths, and makes no mention of "his own" math. To sum up, the claims of the Kanchi math have been unprecedented in the  history of Hinduism. We have never had an organized structure comparable  to the Roman Catholic Church. In the event, a math in the remote south  claiming to be the central math of the Advaita sampradaya makes no sense.  Firstly, such centralized religious jurisdiction is alien to the spirit  and history of our culture. Secondly, even if Adi Sankaracharya did  establish a central math with jurisdiction over the recognized four, was  he so ignorant of India's geography that he bypassed all holy cities with  more central locations (Prayag/Kashi/Ujjain?) and chose instead Kanchi in  the extreme south? Thus, the idea of a central math is clearly pure myth.  The reality is that the Kanchi math is a relatively recent institution  with tall claims. That it has a large following is an undeniable fact.  Every saffron-robed person invariably attracts some following. Couple that  with the tremendous charisma that C.S. had, and a famous temple like the  Kamakshi temple in Kanchipuram - one has a ready-made formula for success  in attracting a following. The sad part is that the sannyasis involved  take advantage of the general reverence that people show them, for their  own ulterior motives. In India, among south Indian Brahmin circles especially, when this topic  comes up for discussion, most people usually say something like, "The  Kanchi math is also doing so much for the cause of dharma. Why rake up  this issue?" My answer is that firstly it is the Kanchi math which forces  one to rake up the issue by ceaselessly continuing its propaganda of  disinformation. Secondly, and more importantly, an institution like the  Kanchi math which supposedly is doing so much for dharma, should not  forget the most basic dharma of all - satyam vada. People are free to choose  their gurus, but when the guru sets such a perniciously wrong example, by  not sticking to the truth, dharma itself is compromised. S. Vidyasankar 1. The Illustrated Weekly of India, "The Weekly Cover Story" - K. P.  Sunil, September 13, 1987. 2 a. The Truth about the Kumbhakonam Math, - Sri R. Krishnaswamy  Aiyar and Sri K. R. Venkatraman, Sri Ramakrishna Press, Madurai,  1977.   b. Kanchi Kamakoti Math - a Myth - Sri Varanasi Raj Gopal Sarma,  Ganga Tunga Prakashan, Varanasi, 1987.      LC Call No.: BL1243.76.C62 K367 1987 <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> History Of Kanchi Math - G.Subramaniam - 11-15-2004 I can attest that a few generations ago my family followed Sringeri We switched to Kanchi mutt for its social activism It was widely known 2 generations back that the kanchi mutt was a sub-branch of Sringeri G.S History Of Kanchi Math - Hauma Hamiddha - 11-15-2004 As GS says, the Kanchi Math is indeed not an original Math. It was known as the Kumbhakonam Math. It would have been a non-descript Math with local influence had there not been Chandrashekharendra Sarasvati. He was an imposing personality attracted a large section of the Tamil Nad and Andhra Smarta communities towards it. CS himself was a definitely a learned scholar as can be seen from his works and I believe largely deserving of the respect he received. The Shringeri Math is indeed socially far more conservative that Kanchi and I am sure not to GS's tastes. However, in terms of religious scholarship on the tantra and the recitational purity of the R^ig veda the Shringeri Math is perhaps superior. It is clear that this fellow Vidyashankar is a partisan of the Shringeri guys. While I do not dispute his statement, I do not see the need to be so scathing regarding Kanchi because I believe they have done a very good job in preserving the veda including the rare atharva veda tradition with which I have a special connection. Amongst the Tamil Smartas too there are the svayamAchArya families (now a greatly dwindling population) who are self-sufficient authorities on Hindu law and religious issues. These lineages while respecting the Mathas did not really depend on them or their Acharyas for any religious authority. Often it was the other way around. I believe it is the decline of this group amongst the smartas that has greatly weakened their roots and exposed them to attacks from the Dravidian-Mullah-Missionary combine, like the current affair. History Of Kanchi Math - Guest - 11-15-2004 <b>It is clear that this fellow Vidyashankar is a partisan of the Shringeri guys.</b> While i have crossed swords with Vidyasankar in one of my previous avatars either in Indic tradiions or in IC, he is generally factually accurate and his site on sringeri is no exception http://members.tripod.com/~maddi/aboutname.htm Kanchi was not one of the maths established originally by Adi Sankara. That does not make the Kanchi Acharya a lesser individual. In fact he has been socially far more active as Hauma has remarked. One need not put down one math to establish the richness of the other. Each of the mathas caters to a different set of clientale and as in my case to a common subset. In any event this is not the time to bicker over who is the greater - they all have a role to play. Only a Hindu would cavil on the finer points of advaita, while fighting on the battlefield against a formdiable adversary. I have posted elsewhere excerpts from the dialogues with the guru who is one of the acharyas at sirngeri. But as a daily reference i spend more timeat the Kanchi site which has lot more material History Of Kanchi Math - Guest - 11-16-2004 Hauma/ Kaushal, From what i hear is that the Mutt was originally at Kanchi and was shifted to Kumbakonam during the muslim period before being re-established in Kanchi. I also have read that initially Kamakshi amman at Kanchi was a Ugra swaroopa and the ambal was made into a Shanti Swaroopa by Adi Shankara. The Peetam was established then by Adi shankara, though it was not one of the four principal peetams that he established. Also I add a disclaimer that these are from what i have read/heard but may not have proof. But anyday i will trust Kanchi paramacharya's word about it than anybody else. History Of Kanchi Math - Guest - 11-16-2004 What do you think of the Kanchi Kamakoti History page? :- http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/origin.html Do you accept that Adi Sankara was born in 509 B.C.? They have cited many references there. History Of Kanchi Math - Guest - 11-16-2004 The proof is not conclusive (and would not be admissible in a court today) but whatever evidence there is seems to suggest the later date. The namboodiris of Kerala should have the oral records to clinch the issue. History Of Kanchi Math - G.Subramaniam - 11-16-2004 Ranjit Mathews, a Syrian Xtian on soc.culture.indian whom I trust as an honest secular guy, says that Nambudiris reached kerala by about 400 AD from their earlier abode on the Godavari next oral records date Adi-Sankara roughly to the time of the decline of buddhism as a popular religion in India So the date is probably after 400 AD G.S History Of Kanchi Math - Hauma Hamiddha - 11-16-2004 <!--QuoteBegin-mitradena+Nov 15 2004, 02:36 PM-->QUOTE(mitradena @ Nov 15 2004, 02:36 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> What do you think of the Kanchi Kamakoti History page? :- http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/origin.html Do you accept that Adi Sankara was born in 509 B.C.? They have cited many references there. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Though Vidyashankar is partisan of the Shringeri Math, I generally agree that he is right. The historical list of Acharyas given by the Kanchi Math site is not entirely fictious, some Acharyas with those names are indeed real. But most of those are drawn ad hoc from other Mathas (see Kosla's Acharya lineage) and are not given real periods of tenure. The town of Kanchi is very old but definitely not as old as 425 BC or something like that. It is known that the founder of Eastern marital arts Bodhidharma was an Acharya from Kanchi who went to China. The ambassador to the Uighur Kha'Khan's court, Indrabodhi was also an Acharya from Kanchi. But this was in the period of 400-600 AD and before Shankaracharya. The Kamakshi temple at Kanchi may have also been old but may have again preceded Shankara. The Tantric guru Shri Muladeva from Kashmir, known in Tamil as the Tirumular, the composer of the Tirumantiram, appears to have been associated with the earlier version of the temple. He first brought Shrikula tantrism to the South and introduced the first wave of Kamakshi worship. History Of Kanchi Math - Guest - 11-16-2004 Vajramuni, <b>Post Edited - Admin</b> History Of Kanchi Math - Guest - 11-16-2004 A question reg.Adi Shankarar Did he install a lakshmi yantra in Tirupati ? Some time back i was told that the AdhiShankarar installed such yantras in many temples all over India and most of those temples are doing very good now. ? History Of Kanchi Math - Guest - 01-04-2005 How accurate is this? The Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century