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Orwellian Surveillance Society - sumishi - 10-07-2011

[size="3"]The objective of this thread is to collect news and information related to covert/overt monitoring of activities of people by governments and establishments, along with data-warehousing of captured data followed by data mining and profiling of individuals.



This is the surveillance society that Orwell describes in his dystopian novel "1984," published in 1949.



Orwell's dystopia is not much different from how things seem to be panning out.



My comments, within quoted material, will be [color="#ff00ff"]{ like this }[/color]

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Orwellian Surveillance Society - sumishi - 10-07-2011

[size="3"][size="4"]Facebook & Google are CIA Fronts [color="#ff00ff"]{ -- Part I }[/color][/size]

-- Sandeep Parwaga, February 16, 2011

[Sandeep Parwaga is a 22 yr old Indian student who currently lives in the UK. He runs the website www.henrymakow.com]

[url="http://www.henrymakow.com/social_networking_dupes_the_ma.html"]Article Link[/url]



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[size="3"]FACEBOOK[/size]



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Quote:[/size] [size="3"]There used to be a saying: ”No one makes a name for himself without giving something up”[/size]



[size="3"]As a youngster, I was awed by people who ”made it to the top” by creating and innovating corporations, technologies, or simply establishing themselves through sports, music, entertainment, etc. thus becoming millionaires. [/size][color="#ff00ff"][size="3"]{ Yeah!! Tell me about it! }[/size][/color]



[size="3"]Now as I have grown older, I realize how illusory this paradigm really is. I came to the conclusion that if you want to reach the ”top’,’ you have to give up your soul.[/size]



[size="3"]Take Mark Zuckerberg for example. He is one of the most ”successful entrepreneurs” in the last decade. Having made a fortune through his Facebook empire, he reaches more than 500 million people worldwide. It seems like a fairytale. A student creates a new interface to connect the people throughout the world. Well, it sounds great doesn’t it? It would, if we were true.[/size]



[size="3"]Here is a [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B37wW9CGWyY&feature=player_embedded#"]good video[/url] [/size][color="#ff00ff"][size="3"]{ ... taken down since ... }[/size][/color][size="3"] that demonstrates that Facebook was indirectly funded by the CIA with the goal of learning and storing everything there is to know about you. Why? To monitor and ultimately control.[/size]



[size="3"]Again, the people have been totally duped by the Facebook-mania and can only see what they are told to see. As my friends say: ”It is to connect people and share information”. In the wake of the recent crisis in Egypt, we might add that Facebook has become not just a data-mining operation, but also a soft power proxy for crisis-creation.[/size]



[size="3"]Let’s look at headlines that should cast no doubt about the true character of CIAbook:[/size]



[size="3"][url="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebooks_zuckerberg_says_the_age_of_privacy_is_ov.php"]Facebook’s Zuckerberg Says The Age of Privacy is Over[/url] [/size][color="#ff00ff"][size="3"]{Read Write Web, Jan 9, 2010}[/size][/color]



[size="3"][url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/6966628/Facebooks-Mark-Zuckerberg-says-privacy-is-no-longer-a-social-norm.html"]Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg says privacy is no longer a ‘social norm’[/url] [/size][color="#ff00ff"][size="3"]{The Telegraph, Jan 11, 2010}[/size][/color]

[size="3"][url="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10456534&ref=emailfriend#Scene_1"]Facebook – the CIA conspiracy[/url] [/size][color="#ff00ff"][size="3"]{New Zealand Herald, Aug 8, 2007}[/size][/color]



[size="3"][url="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/09/20/100920fa_fact_vargas?currentPage=all"]The Face of Facebook[/url] [/size][color="#ff00ff"][size="3"]{The New Yorker, Sep 10, 2010}[/size][/color]



[size="3"][url="http://real-agenda.com/2010/10/06/facebook-social-media-a-convenient-cover-for-spying/"]Facebook & Social Media: A Convenient Cover For Spying[/url] [/size][color="#ff00ff"][size="3"]{The Real Agenda}[/size][/color]



[size="3"][url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6389669/US-spies-invest-in-internet-monitoring-technology.html"]US spies invest in internet monitoring technology[/url] [/size][color="#ff00ff"][size="3"]{The Telegraph, Oct 20, 2010}[/size][/color]



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Orwellian Surveillance Society - sumishi - 10-07-2011

[size="3"][size="4"]Facebook & Google are CIA Fronts [color="#ff00ff"]{ -- Part II }[/color][/size]

-- Sandeep Parwaga, February 16, 2011

[Sandeep Parwaga is a 22 yr old Indian student who currently lives in the UK. He runs the website www.henrymakow.com]

[url="http://www.henrymakow.com/social_networking_dupes_the_ma.html"]Article Link[/url]



GOOGLE



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Quote:Google has come under scrutiny over its attempt to eliminate competing search engines and block ”controversial” sites and people, but the biggest controversy came over its alleged ties to the CIA and NSA.



Google founders Sergey M. Brin and Lawrence E. Page are portrayed as average folks, Stanford University students, who teamed up to create a ”superior search engine”. Their attempt to do just that turned out to be so successful that they started to get funding from big players, for example Sun Microsystems. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Brin#Search_engine_development)



It can be assumed that the [url="http://www.marketwatch.com/story/group-requests-details-on-google-nsa-partnership-2010-02-05"]CIA and NSA funded them as well[/url]. As in the above example of Facebook, don’t forget the Google scandal connected to China last year, where Google simply evaded censorship laws by moving to Hong Kong.



The CIA might have used Google as a soft power proxy in China as well for destabilization operations. Here are a few issues that made the news regarding Google:



[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE-0TUt61ws"] Tarpley: US Gov uses Google proxy to attack China[/url] (vid) [color="#ff00ff"]{Russia Today interview}

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[url="http://lastwatchdog.com/google-nsa-collaboration-draws-alarm/"]Google-NSA collaboration draws alarm[/url][/size][size="3"] [color="#ff00ff"]{The Last Watchdog, Feb 5, 2010}[/color]



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[size="3"]YouTube’s Parent Google is a [url="http://www.infowars.com/youtubes-parent-google-is-a-corporate-member-of-the-council-on-foreign-relations/"]Corporate Member of the Council on Foreign Relations[/url][/size][color="#ff00ff"][size="3"] {Infowars.com, May 5, 2009} [/size][/color][size="3"]



[url="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/061206seedmoney.htm"]Ex-Agent: CIA Seed Money Helped Launch Google[/url][/size]
[size="3"] [color="#ff00ff"]{Prisonplanet.com, Dec 6, 2006} [/color][/size] [size="3"]

[url="http://www.pcworld.com/article/188581/the_googlensa_alliance_questions_and_answers.html"]The Google-NSA Alliance: Questions and Answers[/url][/size]
[size="3"] [color="#ff00ff"]{PC World, Feb 4, 2010} [/color][/size]





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CONCLUSION



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Quote:[/size][size="3"]I admit I have Facebook. I am not particularly happy about it, but it does facilitate being connected with friends from other places. I try to keep a low profile. Don’t reveal anything or don’t click on trivial buttons, for example the ”Likes”.[/size]



[size="3"]Use alternatives to make contact if you can, e.g. email or other messengers. If you have Facebook, you have probably realized how people have literally sold their lives over to it.[/size]



[size="3"]Every time I see people revealing things to the finest detail, they don’t think about any consequences, or let’s say, they are not smart enough to care. The scientific dictatorship has done a ”good” job in brainwashing and manipulating the masses. Don’t be fooled by the deceit. The mainstream media has been very reluctant to cover the disturbing Google/Facebook ties as it would expose important assets for the Big Brother machine and its secret use to destabilize.[/size]



[size="3"]Zuckerberg or the Google founders would never have gotten the publicity, wealth and success without a CIA or NSA connection. To elaborate on the opening quote, I assume they have been initiated into the Illuminati Order and sold their soul.[/size]



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Orwellian Surveillance Society - sumishi - 10-08-2011

[size="3"][url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/social-media/Facebook-sued-over-tracking-logged-out-users/articleshow/10215692.cms"]Facebook sued over tracking logged out users[/url] : TOI, Oct 3, 2011



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Quote:LONDON: A group of users have sued Facebook after it emerged that the social networking giant tracks its users' online activities after they are logged out.



Australian technologist Nik Cubrilovic recently claimed that when the user is logged out of Facebook, rather than deleting its tracking cookies, the site merely modifies them, maintaining account information and other unique tokens that can be used to identify its users.



Facebook then admitted its cookies could have been used to track people, adding that the company has now fixed the problem.



But 10 public interest groups have asked the US Federal Trade Commission to investigate Facebook's tracking of internet users, the Sydney Morning Herald reports.



They have urged the commission to examine whether Facebook's new ticker and timeline features increased privacy risks for users by combining biographical information in an easily accessible format.



According to the report, the lawsuit that has been filed by Perrin Aikens Davis, of Illinois, seeks class status on behalf of other Facebook users in the US.



Davis seeks unspecified damages and a court order blocking the tracking based on violations of federal laws, including restrictions on wiretapping, as well as computer fraud and abuse statutes.



Facebook spokesman Andrew Noyes, however, said in a statement that this 'complaint is without merit' and that they 'will fight it vigorously'.

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Orwellian Surveillance Society - sumishi - 10-09-2011

[size="3"] What the heck!! [Image: eek.gif] Someone's watching Big Brother?? <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Tongue' />



[url="http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-international/article2522233.ece"]U.S. drones infected by mysterious virus[/url] : The Hindu, October 9, 2011



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Quote:When Roman poet Juvenal said Quis custodiet ipsos custodies , or “Who watches the watchers?” nearly two millennia ago, he was definitely not referring to the United States' drone programme.



Yet this week that question, of who might be secretly monitoring one of the most-protected advanced weapon systems of the U.S., was a burning question that the defence-scientific community grappled with. [Image: icon_mrgreen.gif]



On Friday Wired.com magazine reported that a computer virus had infected the cockpits of the U.S.' Predator and Reaper drones, logging pilots' every keystroke as they remotely flew missions over Afghanistan and other warzones.



The revelations suggested that though the virus was first detected nearly two weeks ago, pilots at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada had continued to fly overseas missions with their Unmanned Aerial Vehicles.



The Obama administration has used drones, both armed UAVs in Pakistan's border region and in Yemen and unarmed surveillance UAVs in Libya, with a high degree of success. The Predator in particular, armed with laser-guided Hellfire missiles, was said to have been behind the recent strike killing Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen.



Though there were no further explanations provided, officials sources said no incidents of classified information being lost or sent to an outside source were evident. Yet the virus appeared to be endowed with so much computing firepower that it has managed to resist all efforts to date to eject it from the U.S. military's hard drives, according to network security specialists.



“We keep wiping it off, and it keeps coming back,” [Image: whine.gif] said a source familiar with the network infection to Wired , one of three individuals who spoke to media about the virus. “We think it's benign. But we just don't know,” he said.



Anup Ghosh, a former scientist with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and Chief Scientist with security company Invincea was quoted as saying, “They're just computers, after all... [The drones] are controlled by standard PCs... None of this should be surprising.”



In terms of ridding the system of the virus Mr. Ghosh said, “The system should be replaced or ‘re-imaged' with a virus-free, bit-for-bit copy of the data on the drive,” adding however that if the systems stayed connected to a larger network “they will be infected again.”

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Orwellian Surveillance Society - Husky - 10-11-2011

^ Good. Just desserts. With any luck, it's more than a virus for obtaining mere intelligence...





I don't know why anyone would be on facebook (google+ etc). Even if it had been benign it always had the potential to be a spying and manipulation system.



Also Assange or Wikileaks did try to inform the masses that Facebook, Google, etc were govt utilities to spy on the common man.



Some other basic stuff on Google etc that anyone who's been reading the news over the years would know:

Google was involved in many lawsuits. Some petty some big. IIRC some of these was how long they were allowed to keep user search data (i.e. what you type into the google search form) in various parts of the world. Initially, in the region of Europe, Google said this was I think 2 years (as was supposedly mentioned in fine print on their site somewhere). The argument was that this was for the purpose of analysis of search terms, so that they could provide better service and more targeted advertising. Whatever (but it can certainly be analysed for other features - the question is, do you know what they do with the data?) Some years later, Google said it would keep all your search data indefinitely.

People who know, will tell you that Google - and all famous search engines - know your identity: tying you to your search terms.*

So they advise you to use many different search engines, and not favour one. It's also good for the competition.



* Like the AOL identity leak fiasco many years ago: some disgruntled employee of AOL put names to queries and posted this in public. It became headline news. People talked about privacy issues. Did some moral self-reflection. And then it went away.





Some other court cases that Google and other search engines got into were with the US govt, which insisted it should be able to subpoena Google, Yahoo etc for user search data and that these search engines should just hand over. The US pretended it was to catch paedophiles (if that were true, why are catholic priests moved to parishes all around the US by the Vatican and the rest of the world, has the US govt done anyting about that?) The search engines made a big drama about their moral right to protect "user privacy" etc. And then, from memory, one by one they caved and can now all be asked to give up the data when requested.



Not that any of these search engines felt the morality pinch before in China, where they divulged whatever the govt there wanted to know about dissidents who used gmail and yahoo mail etc for communicating. Having said that, China at least knows how to act out of self-interest: it banned all spying and propaganda outlets.

- Wikipedia - banned (for obvious reasons).

- Google was on trial, misbehaved once too often I believe and had to relocate to still peddle themselves in Chinese territory. China has a popular super search of its own.

- and China (where facebook is banned) has its own social networking site that blows Facebook out of the water.

Of course China spies on its own citizens and invasives too. But like I said: at least they protect their own national interest.



In contrast: the installed Indian christogovt will adopt every single spying tool to help their foreign masters get a better picture, except when the same tools can also be used to undermine said government or at least rock their boat. Then it will start banning stuff. Sure, the sockpuppet govt of India - like China - spies on its own citizens, but unlike China, the Indian govt (nothing Indian about it) promotes invasives and seccessionists. It leads the charge in splitting the nation.


Orwellian Surveillance Society - Husky - 10-11-2011

Anyway, the thing is, there's only one person interested in preserving your privacy: you. No one else. If you think it worth protecting, then you'd act sensibly. Like avoid the many facebooks etc. Remember what Zuckerberg - you know, the dude behind Facebook - said about all those people who actually gave Facebook their details:



www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/

Quote:Facebook founder called trusting users dumb f*cks

Peace Prize for Mr Zuckerberg?



By Andrew Orlowski

Posted in Music and Media, 14th May 2010 11:33 GMT

[...]

Zuckerberg was chatting with an unnamed friend, apparently in early 2004. Business Insider, which has a series of quite juicy anecdotes about Facebook's early days, takes the credit for this one.





Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard



Zuck: Just ask.



Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS



[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?



[color="#0000FF"]Zuck: People just submitted it.



Zuck: I don't know why.



Zuck: They "trust me"



Zuck: Dumb fucks[/color]
Like a true gossip queen, he went and badmouthed people behind their backs. O what a shock.





Hey look, dude acquired an Asian-looking girlfriend:

www.geekologie.com/2010/05/facebook_creator_insults_trust.php

Quote:[color="#800080"][Photo caption:][/color]

Seen here with a girl (shocking, I know. I guess $4 billion still goes a long way EVEN IF YOU ARE A MODERN SCREECH), Mark Zuckerberg was apparently amazed by early Facebook users' willingness to provide the website with personal details, even going as far as to call them 'dumb f***s'. According to a 2004 instant message exchange released by Business Insider:

[...]
Hey, I didn't say a thing - I put my Mean Teen days behind me (well, for now) - other than to note that: Saved By The Bell observation++





Anyway, this old piece from 2007 shows that Zuckerberg at least is Not so eager to share his own personal data as his site's many users are:



www.theage.com.au/news/web/bfacebookb-privacy-fiasco-forces-founder-to-apologise/2007/12/06/1196812874843.html

Quote:Facebook fiasco: Zuckerberg says sorry



Asher Moses

December 6, 2007 - 11:15AM

Page 1 of 2 | Single page



[color="#800080"][photo caption:][/color] Facebook CEO and founder Mark Zuckerberg has apologised for a new feature which has been violating members' privacy. At the same time he has been trying to stop a website from publishing his personal details.

Photo: AP





After copping a barrage of criticism from users and the media, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg has broken his silence and apologised for flagrantly breaching user privacy in the pursuit of profits.



The mea culpa comes as the 23-year-old social networking kingpin is being called a hypocrite for trying to force a website to take down unflattering personal documents from his university days, while he was at the same time profiting from the sale of Facebook users' personal information.

[color="#800080"](Well, if there's an opportunity to make money off of gullible sheep, who wouldn't take it. I would. Pity people on IF are too wary to trust me. Sigh.)[/color]



But the court ruled against Facebook and the documents, which include Zuckerberg's Harvard application and excerpts from his old blog, remain online. Among the details exposed were his girlfriend's full name, his parents' home address and his social security number.



Facebook's new ad system was meant to be a financial boon for the social network, offering companies the ability to run highly targeted ad campaigns based on even the most granular personal details contained in user profiles.

[color="#800080"](Oooh more targeted spam! Goody.)[/color]



But one feature, dubbed Beacon, which lets users notify their Facebook friends when they buy something on other sites such as eBay, transformed Facebook's army of adoring fans into a lynch mob.



Criticisms centred on the fact that Beacon alerted users' friends of their activities on external sites without permission, and it was impossible to switch the Beacon system off entirely.



Users were given no choice on whether to opt in and the flames were further stoked by the apparent apathy of Zuckerberg and Facebook's PR team, which have been notoriously secretive and have failed adequately to address users' privacy concerns.



Adding further insult, a number of Facebook's initial partners, including Coca-Cola, pulled out of the advertising system following the litany of bad press.



Zuckerberg broke his silence today in a contrite statement published on the Facebook blog, acknowledging Beacon had been a flagrant breach of privacy.



"We've made a lot of mistakes building this feature, but we've made even more with how we've handled them," [color="#0000FF"]Zuckerberg, whose paper wealth skyrocketed to $US3 billion following a $US240 million investment in Facebook by Microsoft[/color], wrote.



"We simply did a bad job with this release, and I apologize for it."



Last week, long after the situation became a PR disaster, Facebook modified Beacon so users would have to opt in on each partner site before information on their activities was sent to their friends. Today, Zuckerberg said users would be able to disable the system entirely.

What really bugs me is how these 'social networking' sites (Facebook, Linked-In and the zillion clones) all keep sending everyone who's not yet in their system emails to "please please join", voiced as invites from real life friends/acquaintances/persons: by using their emails/ids/names. Impersonation to steal data is surely a crime...?


Orwellian Surveillance Society - sumishi - 10-11-2011

[quote name='Husky' date='11 October 2011 - 07:41 PM' timestamp='1318341824' post='113273']

...

What really bugs me is how these 'social networking' sites (Facebook, Linked-In and the zillion clones) all keep sending everyone who's not yet in their system emails to "please please join", voiced as invites from real life friends/acquaintances/persons: by using their emails/ids/names. Impersonation to steal data is surely a crime...?

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Wow! Your are RIGHT!! [Image: eek.gif]

It IS impersonation to collect data!



Never thought of those pesky invites that way!

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Orwellian Surveillance Society - simplyrohit21 - 10-11-2011

A very urgent focus needs to be put on UID (aadhar). There has been much written on it and many have casts aspersions on it that it will lead to the establishment of the real big brother in India.



Esteemed members please enlighten on this.



A bit corny but nonetheless sincere video on it-



http://youtu.be/RjPH5Ezig8A



I somehow have a feeling that this definitely has got something to do with 'Mata Rome'.


Orwellian Surveillance Society - sumishi - 10-11-2011

[size="3"] [quote name='Amatya Rakshas' date='11 October 2011 - 08:26 PM' timestamp='1318344511' post='113275'][size="2"]A very urgent focus needs to be put on UID (aadhar). There has been much written on it and many have casts aspersions on it that it will lead to the establishment of the real big brother in India.



Esteemed members please enlighten on this. ...[/size]

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Although not esteemed, lemme pose as one while most gurus are busy and distracted in the offline world. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Tongue' />



The UID is leading towards a global management of biometric identities, one of the control mechanisms of the NWO.



A few months back, the Interpol chief had called for global ID card : [url="http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=10860"]Interpol chief calls for global electronic identity card system[/url] (April 06, 2011)



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Quote:The head of INTERPOL has emphasized the need for a globally verifiable electronic identity card (e-ID) system for migrant workers at an international forum on citizen ID projects, e-passports, and border control management.[/size]



[size="3"]Speaking at the fourth Annual EMEA ID WORLD summit, INTERPOL Secretary General Ronald K. Noble said that regulating migration levels and managing borders presented security challenges for countries and for the world that INTERPOL was ideally-placed to help address.[/size]



[size="3"]"At a time when global migration is reaching record levels, there is a need for governments to put in place systems at the national level that would permit the identity of migrants and their documents to be verified internationally via INTERPOL," said Secretary General Noble.[/size]



[size="3"]"The vast majority of migrants are law-abiding citizens who would like to have their identities verified in more than one country using the same identity document. If countries were to issue work and residence permits in an e-ID format that satisfied common standards internationally, then both the migrant workers and the countries themselves would benefit because efficiencies would improve, security at the national and global level would improve and corruption would be reduced."[/size]



[size="3"]The ID WORLD forum heard that such a card required developing a mechanism whereby the biometric identity features of migrants, such as fingerprints and DNA, would be checked systematically against global databases.[/size]



[size="3"]"INTERPOL currently helps member countries screen travel documents of international air travelers approximately one-half a billion times a year. It would be a natural extension of this service to assist member countries in determining whether bearers of a globally verified identity card were in possession of a valid identity document or are wanted internationally for arrest via INTERPOL at the time that they applied for a work or residence permit,” added the INTERPOL Chief.[/size]



[size="3"]“Issuing migrant workers e-ID cards in a globally verifiable format will also reduce corruption and enable cardholders to be eligible for electronic remittance schemes that will foster greater economic development and prosperity in INTERPOL member countries,” concluded Secretary General Noble.[/size]



[size="3"]Key speakers at the ID WORLD forum included Pakistan's Minister of Interior Rehman Malik, World Bank Integrity Vice-President Leonard McCarthy, European Commission Head of International Affairs, Directorate General Home Affairs, Luigi Soreca, the UAE’s Head of Identity Authority, Ali Al Khouri, and Tariq Malik of Pakistan's National Database & Registration Authority.
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Safran, a French company, owned by the French government, completed the acquisition of L-1 Identity Solutions (started by CIA spooks and Homeland Security guys) to become the world leader in biometric identity solutions. [url="http://www.morpho.com/evenements-et-actualites-348/presse/safran-completes-the-acquisition-of-l-1-identity-solutions-becomes-world-leader-in-biometric-identity-solutions"]Safran completes the acquisition of L-1 Identity Solutions Becomes world leader in biometric identity solutions[/url] : (July 26, 2011)



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Quote:After completing all required approval procedures, Safran (NYSE Euronext Paris: SAF) today announced that it has finalized the acquisition of L-1 Identity Solutions, Inc., a leading identity management solutions provider in the United States, for a total cash amount of $1.09 billion ($12 per share), which was originally announced in the press release on September 20, 2010. Following this transaction, Safran becomes the world leader in biometric identity solutions.[/size]



[size="3"]L-1’s businesses (biometric and identity management solutions: access control, secure credentialing and enrollment services) ...[/size]



[size="3"]L-1 will join Safran’s existing security business, operating as Morpho, and will be renamed MorphoTrust. The new company will be partly managed as a proxy structure, thus providing appropriate protection for U.S. national security. ...[/size]

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[size="3"]Safran is a leading international high-technology group with three core businesses: Aerospace (propulsion and equipment), Defence and Security. Operating worldwide, the Safran group has more than 54,000 employees and generated sales of 10.8 billion euros in 2010. Working alone or in partnership, Safran holds world or European leadership positions in its core markets. ...[/size]



[size="3"]Morpho, a high-technology company in the Safran group, is one of the world’s leading suppliers of identification, detection and e-document solutions. Morpho is specialized in personal rights and flow management applications, in particular based on biometrics, a sector in which it is the world leader, as well as secure terminals and smart cards. Morpho’s integrated systems and equipment are deployed worldwide and contribute to the safety and security of transportation, data, people and countries.[/size]



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Here's how it links to India.

[url="http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/creating-an-eye-capturing-business/437688/"]Creating an eye-capturing business[/url] : BS (no pun intended), June 3, 2011



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Quote:By deploying the first proof of concept for the UID project, 4G Identity Solutions became the first company to introduce the iris biometric technology in India[/size]



[size="3"]It took 39-year-old Sreeni Tripuraneni, a well-trained vascular surgeon in the UK, just over two years to completely study the efficacy of the iris technology (the iris is the coloured part of the eye surrounding the pupil), the algorithms for which were patented by John Daugman, professor at the University of Cambridge, back in 1994.[/size]



[size="3"]Though Tripuraneni embraced the iris biometric technology for patient recognition in the UK a decade ago (in 2001), he now takes pride in the fact that his company – 4G Identity Solutions – is the first to have introduced it closer home by deploying the first proof of concept for the unique identification (UID) project in March 2010.[/size]

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[/size][size="3"]...[/size][size="3"]4G Identity Solutions (whose tagline says it all – ‘Authentic People, Unique IDs’), and became an exclusive licensee to US-based Iridian Technologies (to whom John Daugman sold his patent) for the Indian market.[/size]

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[size="3"]But why did the UID Authority choose the iris technology? The answer: “The iris is the only internal organ which we can see from outside, but we cannot touch it as it is behind the transparent cornea. Its growth in the mother's womb stabilises by the age of 12 weeks and it will not change after that throughout a human's life time. It is also very rich in features, having 256 different reference points (unique points to take samples), compared with finger prints that have 35 reference points. It is a fool-proof technology, much faster to deploy and can be used for real time identification.”[/size]



[size="3"]For enrollments to the UID or for other state government-run initiatives, 4G uses an iris recognition system complete with video camera to capture the sample and store it in a data base, which can be scanned through millions of samples to get an accurate identity.[/size]

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[size="3"]However, things will change when the UID project is completed and wound up, he says. Once the unique IDs are issued to all citizens, corporates too will get a piece of the action. The country will see more corporate applications of iris technology, especially in the banking, insurance and healthcare sectors for checking address proofs, identifying policy holders and the right nominees. “We will be tapping that sector. This business (iris technology) will grow to some thousands of crores of rupees in the next 10 years or so,” he predicts.[/size]

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[size="3"]“Iridian Technologies was acquired by US-based L1 Identity Solutions Inc, which was later bought by French conglomerate Safran Group's Sagem. ...

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Orwellian Surveillance Society - sumishi - 10-12-2011

[size="3"][url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/science/Data-eye-in-sky-to-help-predict-social-instability/articleshow/10322033.cms"]'Data eye in sky' to help predict social instability[/url] : TOI, Oct 12, 2011 (©2011 The New York Times News Service)



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Quote:More than 60 years ago, in his "Foundation" series, the science fiction novelist Isaac Asimov invented a new science - psychohistory - that combined mathematics and psychology to predict the future . Now social scientists are trying to mine the vast resources of the internet - Web searches and Twitter messages, Facebook and blog posts, the digital location trails generated by billions of cellphones - to do the same thing.



The most optimistic researchers believe that these storehouses of "big data" will for the first time reveal sociological laws of human behaviour - enabling them to predict political crises, revolutions and other forms of social and economic instability [color="#ff00ff"]{ ... inimical to the NWO, so that they can preempt dissent... }[/color] , just as physicists and chemists can predict natural phenomena.



"This is a significant step forward," said Thomas Malone , the director of the Center for Collective Intelligence at the MIT. "We have vastly more detailed and richer kinds of data available as well as predictive algorithms to use, and that makes possible a kind of prediction that would have never been possible before."



The government is showing interest in the idea. This summer a little-known intelligence agency began seeking ideas from academic social scientists and corporations for ways to automatically scan the internet in 21 Latin American countries for "big data," according to a research proposal being circulated by the agency. The three-year experiment, to begin in April, is being financed by the Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity, or Iarpa, part of the office of the director of national intelligence.



The automated data collection system is to focus on patterns of communication, consumption and movement of populations. It will use publicly accessible data, including web search queries, blog entries, internet traffic flow, financial market indicators , traffic webcams and changes in Wikipedia entries . It is intended to be an entirely automated system, a "data eye in the sky" without human intervention, according to the program proposal. The research would not be limited to political and economic events, but would also explore the ability to predict pandemics and other types of widespread contagion, something that has been pursued independently by civilian researchers and by companies like Google.



Some social scientists and advocates of privacy rights are deeply skeptical of the project, saying it evokes queasy memories of Total Information Awareness, a post-9 /11 Pentagon program that proposed hunting for potential attackers by identifying patterns in vast collections of public and private data: telephone calling records , e-mail , travel data, visa and passport information, and credit card transactions.



"I have Total Information Awareness flashbacks when things like this happen," said David Price, an anthropologist , who has written about cooperation between social scientists and intelligence agencies.

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Orwellian Surveillance Society - simplyrohit21 - 10-12-2011

Quote:So in essece, all biometric data of Indians will soon be stored and managed by global corporates ("mentored" by ex-CIAs??)



Yes, agreed. But what is the purpose of all this, anything specific or their usual global dominance, global policing ambition? To be more specific, why only India? Aadhar is the only project of its kind in the entire world; why is this happening only in India?. They have got more risky, antagonistic countries to spy on, and at the moment and in the near future we don't pose any threat, howsoever small, to them. Thats why this is puzzling me. Or is there again a church angle to it? Church anyway has identified India as the biggest ground for 'harvest of souls'. What is it about India that this project is being undertaken here? <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Huh' />


Orwellian Surveillance Society - sumishi - 10-12-2011

[quote name='Amatya Rakshas' date='12 October 2011 - 08:08 AM' timestamp='1318386648' post='113284']

Yes, agreed. But what is the purpose of all this, anything specific or their usual global dominance, global policing ambition? To be more specific, why only India? Aadhar is the only project of its kind in the entire world; why is this happening only in India?. They have got more risky, antagonistic countries to spy on, and at the moment and in the near future we don't pose any threat, howsoever small, to them. Thats why this is puzzling me. Or is there again a church angle to it? Church anyway has identified India as the biggest ground for 'harvest of souls'. What is it about India that this project is being undertaken here? <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Huh' />

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[size="3"]Its not only India. The New World Order's plan of global domination involves, well, all. The advanced western countries, US and UK in particular, are quite advanced as surveillance societies. Different techniques for different regions, as can be meshed with the region's political, social and cultural clime.



Individual identification is a very important tool for control of large swaths of population by a small minority of elites. Detailed dossiers on common folks is also sought to be achieved as in the article 'Data eye in sky' to help predict social instability two posts above (#11).



"The Money Masters" transcript in the first page of the thread International Banking and the Capitalist Conspiracy on IF describes the global financial control mechanism of the NWO.



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[size="3"]The thread [url="http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=5525"]India and the "New World Order"[/url] on BRF discusses the NWO, although till now has not much proceeded beyond the historical underpinnings to get into the contemporary situation. Do check it out till the end, skipping out the in-depth histories.[/size]

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The "Global Warming" movement (see thread [url="http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5319"]S-e-S Redux: Copenhagen?[/url] and [url="http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2770"]India and the Global Warming Debate[/url] on BRF, and Climate Gate on IF), apart from control over nation's economies, is meant to provide one of the financial pillars of the NWO through global taxes to be funneled to institutions aligned with the NWO.



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Orwellian Surveillance Society - simplyrohit21 - 10-12-2011

Sumishi my friend, I mean no offense to you, but seriously NWO is a part of internet conspiracy theories lacking any serious credibility. No doubt, global banks, financial corps, MNCs and other biggies indeed try to establish their hegemony in one form or the other but NWO...?? I mean seriously. This way it will not be far when Illuminati, Knights Templar and whatnot will start appearing on BR and IF. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Sad' /> And then soon we'll again have PN Oak's Taj Mahal = Hindu Temple, Vatican = Vatika and so on..! <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':angry:' /> <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Sad' />


Orwellian Surveillance Society - sumishi - 10-12-2011

[quote name='Amatya Rakshas' date='12 October 2011 - 10:13 AM' timestamp='1318394119' post='113288']

Sumishi my friend, I mean no offense to you, but seriously NWO is a part of internet conspiracy theories lacking any serious credibility. No doubt, global banks, financial corps, MNCs and other biggies indeed try to establish their hegemony in one form or the other but NWO...?? I mean seriously. This way it will not be far when Illuminati, Knights Templar and whatnot will start appearing on BR and IF. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Sad' /> And then soon we'll again have PN Oak's Taj Mahal = Hindu Temple, Vatican = Vatika and so on..! <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':angry:' /> <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Sad' />

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[size="3"]Amatya, my dear, the NWO is out in the open, out of the realm of "conspiracy theories." The EU President, Herman Van Rompuy, had proclaimed 2009 as the “first year of global governance.” Whether you designate it as New World Order (George Bush Senior, 1991), or New Global Order (Gordon Brown, 2008), or Global Financial Constitution (Gordon Brown, 2010) or One World Government, or Global Financial System, it doesn't matter, because



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Here is a quote from a former Director of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover, in 1956:

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Quote:... the individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst. It rejects even the assumption that human creatures could espouse a philosophy which must ultimately destroy all that is good and decent.
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[/indent][size="3"]P. Warburg, a member of the CFR, 1950

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[/indent] [size="3"]In 2002, Rockefeller authored his autobiography Memoirs wherein, on page 405, he wrote:

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Quote:For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents … to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.
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[/indent] [size="3"]Henry Kissinger, January 5, 2009, in a CNBC interview, about president-elect Obama:

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Quote:...he can give new impetus to American foreign policy … I think that his task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period, when really a ‘new world order’ can be created. It’s a great opportunity. It isn’t such a crisis.
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[size="3"]According to Professor Carroll Quigley, in his book Tragedy and Hope (1966)

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Quote:... there exists a conspiratorial network which wants "nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole ... his [the individual's] freedom and choice will be controlled within very narrow alternatives by the fact that he will be numbered from birth and followed, as a number, through his educational training, his required military or other public service, his tax contributions, his health and medical requirements, and his final retirement and death benefits.
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In None Dare Call it Conspiracy (1971), Gary Allen & Larry Abraham opine that the network ...

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Quote:... wants control over all natural resources, business, banking and transportation by controlling the governments of the world. In order to accomplish these aims the conspirators have had no qualms about fomenting wars, depressions and hatred. They want a monopoly which would eliminate all competitors and destroy the free enterprise system.

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the first job of any conspiracy, whether it be in politics, crime or within a business office, is to convince everyone else that no conspiracy exists. The conspirators success will be determined largely by their ability to do this. That the elite of the academic world and mass communications media always pooh-pooh the existence of the Insiders merely serves to camouflage their operations.
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More excerpts from None Dare Call it Conspiracy (1971):



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Quote:Because the Establishment controls the media, anyone exposing the Insiders will be the recipient of a continuous fusillade of invective from newspapers, magazines, TV and radio. In this manner one is threatened with loss of "social respectability" if he dares broach the idea that there is organization behind any of the problems currently wracking America. Unfortunately, for many people social status comes before intellectual honesty. Although they would never admit it social position is more important to many people than is the survival of freedom in America
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Quote:One thing which makes it so hard for some socially minded people to assess the conspiratorial evidence objectively is that the conspirators come from the very highest social strata. They are immensely wealthy, highly educated and extremely cultured. Many of them have lifelong reputations for philanthropy. Nobody enjoys being put in the position of accusing prominent people of conspiring to enslave their fellow Americans, but the facts are inescapable.
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Quote:It is difficult for the average individual to fathom such perverted lust for power. The typical person ... has no desire to exercise power over others, to conquer other lands or peoples, to be a king. He wants to mind his own business and enjoy life. Since he has no lust for power, it is difficult for him to imagine that there are others who have ... [b]ut we must realize that there have been Hitlers and Lenins and Stalins and Caesars..
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[/indent] [size="3"]Till about a year back, I had NO conception of the covert subversion of hinduism by christian and islamic forces. After visiting BRF and IF in the appropriate threads, my world view changed. Take the case of the book "Breaking India." The historical narrative and linkages are fabulous!



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So, even if you discount all the above, just go through all the threads (that I had linked to in the earlier post) for fun, and come to your own conclusions. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />

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Orwellian Surveillance Society - dhu - 10-13-2011

[quote name='Amatya Rakshas' date='12 October 2011 - 10:13 AM' timestamp='1318394119' post='113288']

This way it will not be far when Illuminati, Knights Templar and whatnot will start appearing on BR and IF. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Sad' /> And then soon we'll again have PN Oak's Taj Mahal = Hindu Temple, Vatican = Vatika and so on..! <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':angry:' /> <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Sad' />

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Off topic remark,

PN Oak was not too off the mark on the Taj Mahal. There have been a few posts by member Ishwa on this on IF.

Basically, the "Mughal" or "Islamic" architecture was "taken" from the pagan palace architecture of the time. Period Rajput architecture incorporating cupolas was very similar apparently.

Tavernier's (?) remark about the scaffolding costing more than the building of the structure apparently only fits into a scenario where Islamist redecoration work was solely carried out.

I was always agnostic about the Taj Mahal controversy and also thought it not too important.......



Back to topic, Illuminati genre is part of Christian fantasy about the bloodline of Christ.

The pattern seems to be that creative literary revivals by obscure fiction authors gets overtaken by authors with Church affiliations (CS Lewis types) who are attempting literary inculturation and appropriation; this then gets further picked up by Agency types to run geopolitical case scenarios, test public reactions, ambiguate any genuine exposure by the few Sandhya Jains and FW Engdahls (i.e., the CT allegation for genuine anti-colonial work), and also allows them to publicly gloat about still classified misdeeds.


Orwellian Surveillance Society - HareKrishna - 10-13-2011

[quote name='dhu' date='13 October 2011 - 04:32 PM' timestamp='1318503269' post='113311']

Off topic remark,

PN Oak was not too off the mark on the Taj Mahal. There have been a few posts by member Ishwa on this on IF.

Basically, the "Mughal" or "Islamic" architecture was "taken" from the pagan palace architecture of the time. Period Rajput architecture incorporating cupolas was very similar apparently.

Tavernier's (?) remark about the scaffolding costing more than the building of the structure apparently only fits into a scenario where Islamist redecoration work was solely carried out.

I was always agnostic about the Taj Mahal controversy and also thought it not too important.......



Back to topic, Illuminati genre is part of Christian fantasy about the bloodline of Christ.

The pattern seems to be that creative literary revivals by obscure fiction authors gets overtaken by authors with Church affiliations (CS Lewis types) who are attempting literary inculturation and appropriation; this then gets further picked up by Agency types to run geopolitical case scenarios, test public reactions, ambiguate any genuine exposure by the few Sandhya Jains and FW Engdahls (i.e., the CT allegation for genuine anti-colonial work), and also allows them to publicly gloat about still classified misdeeds.

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This remember of something <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjWd9a8Ck8U&feature=fvwrel[/media]


Orwellian Surveillance Society - dhu - 10-13-2011

[quote name='HareKrishna' date='13 October 2011 - 07:10 PM' timestamp='1318512741' post='113312']

This remember of something <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />

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Amazing how equal equals are never "deployed" for such characterizations - Colonizer never gets ridiculed for its appropriations.

Covering up for albino pakiness (?)


Orwellian Surveillance Society - HareKrishna - 10-14-2011

[quote name='dhu' date='13 October 2011 - 10:53 PM' timestamp='1318526101' post='113315']

Amazing how equal equals are never "deployed" for such characterizations - Colonizer never gets ridiculed for its appropriations.

Covering up for albino pakiness (?)

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Do you have also translation for human language? We ,common humans ,dont get it.


Orwellian Surveillance Society - Husky - 10-17-2011

[quote name='Amatya Rakshas' date='12 October 2011 - 10:13 AM' timestamp='1318394119' post='113288']And then soon we'll again have PN Oak's Taj Mahal = Hindu Temple[/quote]

I see Dhu beat me to it. But I can provide a link at least:



AR, on the topic of Taj Mahal, I think you will find it a most valuable use of your time to

[color="#0000FF"]read IF member Ishwa's posts "Some question(mark)s concerning Mughal architecture" in the Medieval History thread.[/color]

After reading that, you can make up your own mind.



I think Ishwa really ought to publish his findings as a book (as also his writings on Yavana/Yauna** etc). At the very least, there's the facility these days for him to self-publish (which would also help others in referencing his work, instead of them having to link to a forum for their authority), besides Ishwa putting his work on scribd etc and even on blogs.



While PN Oak's writings might be found crude and rather unscholarly, his being convinced that the Taj Mahal was Hindu* turns out to have been true in all likelihood - going by Ishwa's work in this matter.



(* "Hindu" not just in the sense that the Taj Mahal was built by Hindus - which IIRC was long admitted even by those who think the TM is a structure ordered by mughals - but that it was owned by Hindus and constructed on Hindu instigation and not that of islam, before islam took it.)





[quote name='dhu' date='13 October 2011 - 10:53 PM' timestamp='1318526101' post='113315']

Amazing how equal equals are never "deployed" for such characterizations - Colonizer never gets ridiculed for its appropriations.[/quote]A very perceptive observation. I've always managed to overlook this. Yet isn't that what the whole pompous (thieving) "Arische Europeans are behind the Vedas and Samskritam" assertion really is?



[[color="#0000FF"]** ADDED:[/color] IIRC the other Ishwa posts referred to was on Yavana having a different meaning in Skt lit, separate from its use for Ionian Greeks (c.f. Iranian Yauna) and hence all Greeks.]