Sanskrit

10-21-2003, 12:56 AM

A project taking india back to roots with IT!!

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MOD Note: Thread title edited from "Revitalization of Sanskrit with IT" to Revivalism of Sanskrit" - Krishna!

10-21-2003, 01:47 AM

Vishal,

Please rename this thread on the lines of "Revitalization of Sanskrit / Revitalization of Sanskrit with IT" or something better. Thanks!

BTW: Nice article and I hope this thread lives on for a long time. When I see this taking off, I'll move it to the 'Indian Culture' forum!

11-16-2003, 07:53 AM

Not sure how i stumbled across this site but heres an Argentinian Group that says quote :

We are an Argentinian group desirous to share all this Sanskrit knowledge with you. We are four men dedicated to the study of Sanskrit language since many years ago. Not only that, we have also studied Non-dual Shaivism of Kashmir (a philosophy of northern India), PaataÃ±jala Yoga, CakrÃ¡-s, Vedic and Tantric rituals, Vedaanta, etc. However, our specialty is Sanskrit and Non-dual Shaivism of Kashmir.

[url="http://www.sanskrit-sanscrito.com.ar/english/aboutus.html"]http://www.sanskrit-sanscrito.com.ar/engli...sh/aboutus.html[/url]

Now heres the Psy ops disinformation :

[url="http://www.sanskrit-sanscrito.com.ar/english/faq1sansk.html"]http://www.sanskrit-sanscrito.com.ar/engli.../faq1sansk.html[/url]

Q: Does Sanskrit come from India?

A: No. Sanskrit was at the height of its splendor in India, but it really comes from the Indo-European tribes which, according to the latest studies, arrived in India coming from Eastern Anatolia peninsula (Turkey). On AndrÃ©'s page about Origin of the Indo-European Languages all these Indo-European migrations are analyzed deeply. It is a common error to think of Sanskrit as being born in India, but that is not so. :flush :thumbdown

Leading to Vedas, upanishads, Mahabahrat all composed in Europe, possibly Switzerland? Its a continual attack to run down India's great accomplishments and Civilisation...

11-16-2003, 11:18 PM

Praneet N,

I hope next they will suggest Ram temple in Zurich or Titlis.

11-25-2003, 02:02 AM

Folks dont rush to condem, If you pay close attention to the various puranas it can be seen that Sanskrit and Hindu culture thrived all the way from south, South east and east of Black sea all the way to Tibet and China in the north (of India) to the east (of India) all the way to Indonesia.

11-26-2003, 02:56 PM

QUOTE(Praneet N @ Nov 16 2003, 07:53 AM)Not sure how i stumbled across this site but heres an Argentinian Group that says quote :

We are an Argentinian group desirous to share all this Sanskrit knowledge with you. We are four men dedicated to the study of Sanskrit language since many years ago. Not only that, we have also studied Non-dual Shaivism of Kashmir (a philosophy of northern India), PaataÃ±jala Yoga, CakrÃ¡-s, Vedic and Tantric rituals, Vedaanta, etc. However, our specialty is Sanskrit and Non-dual Shaivism of Kashmir.

http://www.sanskrit-sanscrito.com.ar/engli...sh/aboutus.html

Now heres the Psy ops disinformation :

http://www.sanskrit-sanscrito.com.ar/engli.../faq1sansk.html

Q: Does Sanskrit come from India?

A: No. Sanskrit was at the height of its splendor in India, but it really comes from the Indo-European tribes which, according to the latest studies, arrived in India coming from Eastern Anatolia peninsula (Turkey). On AndrÃ©'s page about Origin of the Indo-European Languages all these Indo-European migrations are analyzed deeply. It is a common error to think of Sanskrit as being born in India, but that is not so.Â <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' />Â <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif' />

Leading to Vedas, upanishads, Mahabahrat all composed in Europe, possibly Switzerland? Its a continual attack to run down India's great accomplishments and Civilisation...
I went to the site you are mentioning (www.sanskrit-sanscrito.com.ar) and the guys there are only stating the origin of Sanskrit and not that Vedas, Upanishads, etc. were made in the region from which those Indo-European tribes started their immigration to India according to them.

Besides, they speak many times of "Indian philosophies". Thus, since Upanishads, Vedas, Bhagavad Gita and the like are included within the literature of those "Indian" philosophies, they are really stating that they were composed in India.

People like you, who is easily drawn by pseudo-nationalist emotions, very often do not understand correctly what they read, and quickly resort to mockery and irony that only show their inherent ignorance.

Again, if you analyze the massive site they have built in honor of Sanskrit literature, grammar, etc., you will realize (provided you refrain from following the said pseudo-nationalist emotions) that since they are affirming that Sanskrit flourished and was developed mostly in India, they are really paying a great service to your country, despite they live in Argentina, at such a great distance from India. Evidently, they are basing their affirmations on linguistic studies and not on mere nationalist fervor. If these studies are right or not is a matter of debate, but it is undeniable that they are making a good job in revitalizing Sanskrit which, according to my opinion, belongs to the entire world and not merely to a country.

I don't mind if Sanskrit was born in Turkey, India or Greenland. The great texts and inherent wisdom written in Sanskrit was composed in India and flourished there. But now, it is spreading throughout the entire planet and may be considered a patrimony of mankind. Thus, use your nationalism somewhere else please, where it may be useful for somebody... and take the disgusting smily you put with you too. While you are speaking nonsenses and exerting subtle violence here in the name of cheap nationalism, a handful of foreign people is building such a great site as that one in honor of your own country. What a joke... and what a shame!

11-26-2003, 07:48 PM

Wah beta Alfred, wah wah! Once we agree Sanskrit was born in the Swiss Alps next what? Vedas/Upanishads were composed on the banks of the Danube? We are well aware of these subtle ploys, where you guys once confronted with superior philosphy and ideas try to usurp them by sheer subtleness. The Argentenian twits should focus on how to stop butchering native americans and return their land and resources to them and move back to Spain or whatever cave they came from. As Swami Vivekananda said.. the boasted civilization of the west is nothing but a remanent of the Hindu deluge that swept across Central Asia/Europe after Alexander conquered them. Even Christianity is a crude copy of Hindu dvaita. If not for our religion and philosphy you guys would still be living in caves and painting yourselves blue and hunting each other for breakfast. I am apalled by your attempt to usurp Vedantic language and philosophy. Acknowledge our influence and be grateful for its civilizing effects on you.

11-26-2003, 10:41 PM

Alfred,
When Indian sages were reciting Vedas, Europe was still learning hunting techniques. Language came from advanced civilization, which was Indus and now India.
Europe should stop gloating. Max Muller did even damage to Indus civilization.

Even today English grammer is far behind Hindi and Sanskrit.
No word is available for lot of defined relations.

11-27-2003, 09:42 AM

QUOTE(nachiketa @ Nov 26 2003, 07:48 PM) Wah beta Alfred, wah wah! Once we agree Sanskrit was born in the Swiss Alps next what? Vedas/Upanishads were composed on the banks of the Danube? We are well aware of these subtle ploys, where you guys once confronted with superior philosphy and ideas try to usurp them by sheer subtleness. The Argentenian twits should focus on how to stop butchering native americans and return their land and resources to them and move back to Spain or whatever cave they came from. As Swami Vivekananda said.. the boasted civilization of the west is nothing but a remanent of the Hindu deluge that swept across Central Asia/Europe after Alexander conquered them. Even Christianity is a crude copy of Hindu dvaita. If not for our religion and philosphy you guys would still be living in caves and painting yourselves blue and hunting each other for breakfast. I am apalled by your attempt to usurp Vedantic language and philosophy. Acknowledge our influence and be grateful for its civilizing effects on you. 
No doubt, you are a complete nationalist idiot. Stop replying my posts, please. I want to discuss with intelligent people.

11-27-2003, 10:02 AM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Nov 26 2003, 10:41 PM) Alfred,
When Indian sages were reciting Vedas, Europe was still learning hunting techniques. Language came from advanced civilization, which was Indus and now India.
Europe should stop gloating. Max Muller did even damage to Indus civilization.

Even today English grammer is far behind Hindi and Sanskrit.
No word is available for lot of defined relations. 
Likewise, I might say: Now Europe is rich and full of technology, and India is poor and underdeveloped. What's the point of all these idiot comparations? I thought we are speaking of Sanskrit and its origin. Besides, Anatolia peninsula is Turkey... I thought Turkey was far away from Switzerland and Danube.

Yes, many Sanskrit words have no counterpart in English... but I am not saying that English is superior to Sanskrit. On the contrary, I am saying that Sanskrit is a patrimony of the entire humanity. I think that your nationalist emotions prevented you from understanding my words. My only point is that it is not important if Sanskrit was born in India, Turkey or Scotland, but it flourished in India and now it is spreading throughout the whole planet. And also, I attempted to defend that group of foreigners which is doing such a good job in spreading the Sanskrit knowledge.

Well, enough of nationalist idiocy. When one talks to nationalist people, he feels that they want to see what they want to, not the truth of what is being said. Look at the other guy telling that that people from Argentina should go to the cave where they came from. This is really stupid, specially if you consider the enormous scholarship showed by the guys in their website. Any one of them overcomes in intelligence the cheap nationalists coming to this forum to waste their time and make people like me waste his. They should use their nationalism in defending India against poverty, starvation and the rest of horrible things plaguing their country, which we can wantch on TV in our "developed rich" Europe, not in proving that Sanskrit was born in India. Again, know that Sanskrit is the language of god and belongs to Him really, not to a bunch of unintelligent guys wasting their time in attacking a site which is much better than many Indian sites dealing with Sanskrit.

As I said before, what a joke... and what a shame! I won't come back to this forum ever, be sure.

Good bye

11-27-2003, 10:30 AM

QUOTENo doubt, you are a complete nationalist idiot. 

This kind of childish name calling and use of epithets regardless of what you may or may not think about the person with whom you are having a debate, is not acceptable in this forum. As a moderator , I encourage debate based on information that you are willing to share, and to reason your conclusions based on facts. Opinions are interesting but not of value when you are having a debate on such matters.

Further you exhibit a very opinionated view of nationalists (which is your prerogative,but then you would have to define what you mean by a 'nationalist idiot'. Do you mean that nationalists are bad and nationalism is worse ? If so what about the nationalism of stalwarts like Gandhiji who was very proud to call himself a nationalist as was Jawaharlal Nehru. Or is it the case that nationlists are idiots only when they disagree with you ?

As for Sanskrit not having originated in India ,you offer no proof except that of an Argentinian , who with all his love for Sanskrit may know didly squat about the linguistic development of various languages in the Indian subcontinent. It does not matter where a language originated from, but if there is no extant representative of that language in Turkey or anywhere for that matter, such a theory makes very little sense to me. I have been to 4 continents but i have yet to find a person who can chant the vedas (much less an ancestral tradition of such chanting) with the fluency that any ordinary pandit can do with relative ease

11-27-2003, 11:29 AM

The site spews absolute bullshit.. basically it is a disinformation propaganda site. Some excerpts from articles

QUOTEThe cities from India, specially Harappa and Mohenjo Daro, did exist since 3800 B. C. [and lasted until they were destroyed by the Aryan invaders about 1800 B. C. Their main religion was Shaivism (the seals show the phallic horned ShivÃ¡, sitting in lotus posture or dancing in the form of Nataraaja). There are shaiva-s symbols such as stone phalli, swastikas, images of bull, snake and goddess of the mountains (Paarvatii).

QUOTEDuring the Neolithic period and also early in the Bronze Age, the Pashupati (Lord of the limited beings, who are like animals in comparison with the Godhead) and Paarvatii (lady of the mountains) cults become consolidated among the Dravidian invaders. In Crete, the names of Zagreus and Cybele appear, and they will be present in all civilizations culturally and linguistically linked to the Dravidian world. This religion is characterized by the worship given to the phallus, snake, bull, as well as lion and tiger (which are ridden by the goddess).

QUOTEUnity in the origin of Shaivism together with its enormous and vast influence is evident in the multiple likenesses among the mythological narratives. The group of symbols related to the ShivÃ¡ cult: horned god, bull, snake, erect phallus, ram, lady of the mountains, etc. is found in the agricultural civilization that appears about 6000 B. C. and comprises Southern Asia, Africa and Europe. The first strongly shaiva figures or forms are found in Anatolia (6000 B. C.). In the origin of the Egyptian civilization appear the bull, ram and Osiris cults (there is a huge figure of the Egyptian god Min -phallic- which dates from 5000 B. C.).

These guys have a fetish for Anatolia <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' />

QUOTEAbout 4500 B. C., Minoan peoples arrive in Crete, Cyprus, Santorini, Malta and Anatolia. Images of the bull god or horned god are found in Mohenjo Daro, in the Preceltic civilizations, in the Minoan ones and in regions situated in southeastern Asia (Cambodia and BalÃ). Since 4000 B. C., Indian civilization is developed; Sumerian people arrive by sea at Mesopotamia from India, thus influencing the region of Middle East, Crete and continental Greece. Since 3000 B. C. until the Aryan invasions, the civilization of India was developed parallel to those of Sumeria and Cnossos, which affected Europe in its entirety, as well as the central and eastern zones of India along with southeastern Asia.

About 3000 B. C. the historic deluge occurred, which divided the Sumerian dynasties into prediluvian and postdiluvian. Indian chronology states that this time marked the beginning of Kaliyuga (age of conflicts). At that moment, a Mediterranean people proceeding from the Iberian peninsula appears in Malta and Armorica (now Brittany). These people introduce a new religion and funeral rituals. In turn, they establish the civilization of the megaliths: statues/menhirs from Liguria, Alto Adige (Italy), Stonehenge (Great Britain); and are strongly influenced by their contact with Iberia, Crete and Middle East.

QUOTEIn the insular region of Ceylon, in southern India, a mountainous landscape zone with cultivations of coconut and areca palms along with rice fields, we find the "Vedda tribes"; primitive representatives of the oldest population of the Indian subcontinent.

They speak a language that is ethnically called "Vedda", wherefrom the name of the "Vedic civilization" might have been derived. At present, they are isolated in Ceylon island and form a group of a few thousands. They practically live in the stone age and are dedicated to hunting, fishing and gathering of food. They inhabit natural shelters, and according to the anthropologists, their features are very much like those of the Australian aborigines. The "Vedda" phenotype has very primitive features, flat foreheads, prominent superciliary archs, deep-set-rooted wide nose, thick lips, without prognatism, dark-skinned, not black, and long wavy hair.

Utter trash.. the term Veda comes from the Vedda tribes in Sri Lanka <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /> <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /> <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' />

QUOTEAs a very relevant historical datum, India has been the territory which has experienced the greatest number of invasions and dominations by the empires and power centers predominant in every epoch. According to my data, the Persians invaded India about the period 2000-1500 B. C.; afterwards, the empire of Darius; later on, Alexander the Great, Mauras, Greeks and Indo-Scythians, GuptÃ¡-s, Huns, Harsas and Arabians. The latter attempted to turn India into a Muslim country by establishing several dynasties from the north to the south, such as that of the Gaznawels, Guries, the sultanate of Delhi, the Turkish dynasties and the invasion of the Timur. After that, invaders coming from Mongolia, France and the Netherlands were in India. They stayed since 1600 to 1800, creating monopolies and trading companies which rivaled that of the Indies. Later, the British Empire appeared and governed India up to 1947, when the emancipating movement of Mahaatmaa Gandhii finally triumphed.

This website really needs to be <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /> . Can we sue these b@st@rds for all the crap they are writing?

The Shaivism crap is a subtle way to enforce division between the "Aryans" and the Shaivaites. <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif' />

Hey Alfred, can you take this website along with you to your cave?

11-27-2003, 11:33 AM

I can imagine all the "Spanish" speaking people lapping up all this nonsense and forming absolutely warped views about India.

Alfred, who do you guys get paid by? Alfred Nobel foundation?

11-27-2003, 11:43 AM

QUOTE(Alfred @ Nov 26 2003, 10:12 PM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nachiketa @ Nov 26 2003, 07:48 PM) Wah beta Alfred, wah wah! Once we agree Sanskrit was born in the Swiss Alps next what? Vedas/Upanishads were composed on the banks of the Danube? We are well aware of these subtle ploys, where you guys once confronted with superior philosphy and ideas try to usurp them by sheer subtleness. The Argentenian twits should focus on how to stop butchering native americans and return their land and resources to them and move back to Spain or whatever cave they came from. As Swami Vivekananda said.. the boasted civilization of the west is nothing but a remanent of the Hindu deluge that swept across Central Asia/Europe after Alexander conquered them. Even Christianity is a crude copy of Hindu dvaita. If not for our religion and philosphy you guys would still be living in caves and painting yourselves blue and hunting each other for breakfast. I am apalled by your attempt to usurp Vedantic language and philosophy. Acknowledge our influence and be grateful for its civilizing effects on you. 
No doubt, you are a complete nationalist idiot. Stop replying my posts, please. I want to discuss with intelligent people.</div>
Mr. Alfred,

You started the personal insults, here: QUOTEI don't mind if Sanskrit was born in Turkey, India or Greenland. The great texts and inherent wisdom written in Sanskrit was composed in India and flourished there. But now, it is spreading throughout the entire planet and may be considered a patrimony of mankind. Thus, use your nationalism somewhere else please, where it may be useful for somebody... and take the disgusting smily you put with you too. While you are speaking nonsenses and exerting subtle violence here in the name of cheap nationalism, a handful of foreign people is building such a great site as that one in honor of your own country. What a joke... and what a shame! 

From the latest post of yours: QUOTEWell, enough of nationalist idiocy. When one talks to nationalist people, he feels that they want to see what they want to, not the truth of what is being said. Look at the other guy telling that that people from Argentina should go to the cave where they came from. This is really stupid, specially if you consider the enormous scholarship showed by the guys in their website. Any one of them overcomes in intelligence the cheap nationalists coming to this forum to waste their time and make people like me waste his. They should use their nationalism in defending India against poverty, starvation and the rest of horrible things plaguing their country, which we can wantch on TV in our "developed rich" Europe, not in proving that Sanskrit was born in India. Again, know that Sanskrit is the language of god and belongs to Him really, not to a bunch of unintelligent guys wasting their time in attacking a site which is much better than many Indian sites dealing with Sanskrit.

If you want respect, show some. No problem in your disagreeing on what other members are discussing here, but personal insults: A big No-No!

Now, thoda daru-sharu ho jaye! <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /> (Have a beer!)

11-28-2003, 12:11 AM

Quote: =Alfred,Nov 27 2003, 10:02 AM] Likewise, I might say: Now Europe is rich and full of technology, and India is poor and underdeveloped. What's the point of all these idiot comparations?

you mean money and richness makes europe better than india? or are you saying money makes one civilisations better?....
this is typical western thinking...its called junk culture and materialism.Western people rate richness and money higher than human values and culture.By the way west don't have any kinda culture... <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' />

Quote: I think that your nationalist emotions prevented you from understanding my words. My only point is that it is not important if Sanskrit was born in India, Turkey or Scotland, but it flourished in India and now it is spreading throughout the whole planet.

So you have problem accepting that if sanskrit started from india? <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' />

Quote: Well, enough of nationalist idiocy. When one talks to nationalist people, he feels that they want to see what they want to, not the truth of what is being said.

humm...i can say same thing( nationalist idiocy ) about americans who think their nation is greatest on earth and god gave them right to teach others how to live on earth on their terms... B) <!--emo&

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Quote: This is really stupid, specially if you consider the enormous scholarship showed by the guys in their website. Any one of them overcomes in intelligence the cheap nationalists coming to this forum to waste their time and make people like me waste his.

You mean these guys are so intelligent that they can re-invent Vedas? <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' />
hahhhaaaaaaaaa <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' />

Quote: They should use their nationalism in defending India against poverty, starvation and the rest of horrible things plaguing their country, which we can wantch on TV in our "developed rich" Europe, not in proving that Sanskrit was born in India.

ohh...so nice of you...you care too much about these poor people ....huh?...some alfred looted them,now this alfred saying such things....tutututu <!--emo& Tongue

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"developed rich europe" .....humm... <!--emo&

--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='rolleyes.gif' /> .....you know one thing...you did same mistake again ....RICHNESS does not hide crapness of people.
For example RAVANA was also rich....he had most of world's GOLD in his safe. <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' /> .....but that didn't made him good cultured.
Now don't blame me if your country holds looted GOLD in your home.... <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ohmy.gif' />
 you western people don't have sense to realise that money doesnot make anyone good. <!--emo& Tongue

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Quote: Again, know that Sanskrit is the language of god and belongs to Him really, not to a bunch of unintelligent guys wasting their time in attacking a site which is much better than many Indian sites dealing with Sanskrit.

oh no..... <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ohmy.gif' /> i never knew that!!.....please tell me GOD also favour english? Huh

[/quote] Good bye [/QUOTE]

thanks for taking sanyas from here... <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' />

11-28-2003, 11:11 AM

I just came back to verify if you are blind and deaf men as I thought and I see that YOU ARE.

I SAID GOODBYE, do you remember? Goodbye is goodbye, bunch of cheap nationalists criticizing foreign people making good sites on India culture but at the same being unable to do anything better online than attacking people from the West with old worn out arguments because of your inherent envy towards our richness and wellbeing! I am from Europe, yes I am. We have gotten all riches and confort because we have fought for our nations during countless wars (World War I & II, for example), but you have been conquered by a small group of 150000 englishmen and suffered from their conquest for a few centuries until Gandhi managed to set you free. Surely, Gandhi was not as any of you. I can't imagine Gandhi putting horrible icons against people that cannot even defend themselves. Being Indian people such a weak people, you are now criticizing all (even Argentina! in far South America) as though you were the masters of the world or the origin of all on the planet. Hey, that is really arrogant from you. What a shame!

Know that the Sanskrit culture was started and sustained by great sages, not people like you attacking all those that some way are against your ignorant viewpoints. I can't imagine Patanjali or Yajnavalkya criticizing a website or putting disgusting icons as that guy Nachiketa. This poor low-minded guy forgot to read the rest of that massive site, it seems. Read all Nachiketa, read all, and then realize how ignorant you are in comparison with the guys writting on that site. They are not from India, but they are doing more for India than you surely. What a joke, what a shame.

GOOD BYE, GOOD BYE, GOOD BYE. DO NOT REPLY, DO NOT REPLY, DO NOT REPLY. I WON'T COME BACK ANYMORE, I WON'T COME BACK ANYMORE... Well, hopefully you have understood now my simple words, deaf! But you are so ignorant that you will surely reply... I bet my life you will keep talking about me despite I said goodbye!.

11-28-2003, 11:40 AM

QUOTE(Kaushal @ Nov 27 2003, 10:30 AM) <div class='quotetop'>QUOTENo doubt, you are a complete nationalist idiot. 

This kind of childish name calling and use of epithets regardless of what you may or may not think about the person with whom you are having a debate, is not acceptable in this forum. As a moderator , I encourage debate based on information that you are willing to share, and to reason your conclusions based on facts. Opinions are interesting but not of value when you are having a debate on such matters.

Further you exhibit a very opinionated view of nationalists (which is your prerogative,but then you would have to define what you mean by a 'nationalist idiot'. Do you mean that nationalists are bad and nationalism is worse ? If so what about the nationalism of stalwarts like Gandhiji who was very proud to call himself a nationalist as was Jawaharlal Nehru. Or is it the case that nationlists are idiots only when they disagree with you ?

As for Sanskrit not having originated in India ,you offer no proof except that of an Argentinian , who with all his love for Sanskrit may know didly squat about the linguistic development of various languages in the Indian subcontinent. It does not matter where a language originated from, but if there is no extant representative of that language in Turkey or anywhere for that matter, such a theory makes very little sense to me. I have been to 4 continents but i have yet to find a person who can chant the vedas (much less an ancestral tradition of such chanting) with the fluency that any ordinary pandit can do with relative ease </div>
Sorry about the names I called.

Since all of you are not Gandhi, stop mentioning as a representative of the entire India. Every country has extraordinary people and crappy people. The Indian guys posting against my viewpoints are not the embodiment of Sanskrit culture, no doubt.

As for your doubt: The guy Nachiketa on this forum is a good example of "nationalist idiot". For example, he wrote this on this thread about an excellent site from Argentine:

"This website really needs to be (disgusting smily here... why is it available for people to use it?). Can we sue these b@st@rds for all the crap they are writing?"

Nazism and Facism are always present, even on this forum it seems. He has also insulted but he was smart enough to disguise his insult with @ Why did you not censor him too? Are you like him? In fact, he was insulting people who do not know anything about this thread and cannot defend themselves. That is not very heroic, isn't it?

Instead of wasting your time trying to punish me because I said "idiot" without any @ in between, attempt to remove "nationalist @" like Nachiketa from the forum you are the moderator. I am a foreigner and wanted to visit this forum to absorb the old wisdom from India, but I just found a bunch of nationalist @. If this forum is "exclusively" for Indian people, so you should specify that somewhere. Simply I just couldn't tolerate how a nationalist @ attacked a few guys from a distant country only because they were saying something different from what was in his mind.

Besides, I can add that I have not found any India's Sanskrit site like that of Argentina both in design and content. Well, you may get angry for this, but check the web and verify what I am saying by yourself. Instead of attacking people who opine differently in a civilized way (not as that nationalist @), you all should be creating high-quality websites dealing with your culture. That would prove to be more useful than attacking other people working so hard for the Sanskrit culture for free.

Now, goodbye. You will not see me anymore here.

rhytha · (This post was last modified: 11-28-2003, 01:00 PM by rhytha.)

Now Mr.Alfread you been unreasonable here.

Praneet mentioned QUOTEPsy ops disinformation

and you came up with this "pseud-nationalist"

Praneet,mudy and spinster stated thier opinion, and you called them "natinalist" and did'nt counter thier views.

So its you who actually came up with rhetoric and not nachiketa.

QUOTE"You will reap what you sow" - A old tamil proverb

Other members also plz follow the forum guidelines

11-28-2003, 09:23 PM

Shri Alfred,

Please excuse us nationalist idiots. Why don't you follow Gandhiji's advise and show us your other cheek? Just a little "nationalism" from us and you get all upset and shout back at us. We have been at the receiving end for 1000 years. Please let us reverse roles for a while. Let me also get all my evil urges out of my system.. Please help me. Like we helped you in the past.

See how it hurts? To quote Swami Vivekananda again.. "If we Indians take all the mud at the bottom of the Indian Ocean and throw it upon the west, it will still be a tiny fraction of what you have done to us!".

Please bear with us idiots.. we are uncouth, uncivilized, "nationalist" etc. When you were all these things we suffered you and helped you change. Why don't you do the same for us now?

I hope you will come back and offer yourself as an object for all the evil I have inside me. Please help me get it out. Show me your other cheek. After the cheek show me your chest, and then your legs, and head and back and so on.. so that I can give them a nice thumping.. I hope you understand my situation.. You have no doubt read the Upanishads.. the same Atman is inside me as inside you.. help me become civilized.. offer yourself as a sacrifice..

11-28-2003, 09:45 PM

I think we can get back to topic and start discussing about revivalism of sanskrit <!--emo& Smile

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