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India And The World
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11-21-2003, 10:47 PM
[url="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EK22Df05.html"]India revels in new diplomatic offensive [/url]
India revels in new diplomatic offensive By Sudha Ramachandran BANGALORE - The significance of Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's trip last week to Russia, Tajikistan and Syria lies as much in the signing of important bilateral agreements as in the message it has sent out to the international community. The visits are a signal that India might be moving closer to the United States and Israel, but it is not about to abandon its old friends. While reports of Russia's increasing interest in improving ties with Pakistan had caused some concern in India in recent months, Delhi's growing ties with the US have troubled the Russians. The joint declaration signed at the end of Vajpayee's visit to Moscow indicates that the India-Russia relationship remains firmly grounded on common perceptions of global issues. On terrorism - an issue of critical importance to both countries - India and Russia recorded their "complete identity of views". Moscow expressed full support to India in its fight against terrorism in Kashmir and called on Pakistan "to implement in full its assurances to prevent infiltration of terrorists across the Line of Control" and "to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan and Pakistan-controlled Kashmir as a prerequisite for a purposeful dialogue between the two countries". India reciprocated by expressing support for the Russian action in Chechnya. Without mentioning the US by name, the two countries "confirmed their opposition to the unilateral use or threat of use of force in violation of the UN Charter" and expressed support for a multipolar world. Providing substance to the warm ties are 10 agreements that will enhance cooperation in space, science and technology. Russia will assist India in its mission to the moon. Of significance to India's aerospace is a deal under which it will supply six to eight satellites for a European navigation system that the Russians are setting up. Russia will also assist in setting up joint research centers in India - a gas hydrate studies center in Chennai and an earthquake research center in Delhi. Significant ground was covered during Vajpayee's visit with regard to India's purchase of the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov. An agreement on the purchase - negotiations have been on since 1995 - is likely to be signed later this month, when Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov visits Delhi. Tajikistan, India's nearest central Asian neighbor, was the second halt on Vajpayee's three-nation trip. India's steadily expanding engagement with Tajikistan must be seen in the context of Tajikistan's proximity to Afghanistan, Pakistan, China and the energy-rich Central Asian republics. India and Tajikistan signed a bilateral extradition treaty, agreements to enhance cooperation in defense, information technology etc and an agreement on the setting up a joint working group to combat terrorism. Reports of the "Indian military base" in Tajikistan dominated Vajpayee's sojourn in Tajikistan. In the run-up to the visit, reports in the media had drawn attention to "India's undeclared military presence" in Tajikistan. A report in the Indian Express described the Ayni air base near Dushanbe as "India's first-ever military base in a foreign country". Citing defense ministry sources, the report said that India is upgrading infrastructure at the Ayni air base and "has plans to station its troops and air platforms in the near future". While both countries denied reports of an Indian military base at Ayni, they admitted that India would be overhauling this dilapidated air base. Incidentally, Indian and Tajik special forces are said to have held joint military exercises in February this year. India's nominal military presence in Tajikistan is nowhere near that of the Russians and the Americans and is unlikely to bother them. But it has rattled Pakistan, which believes that India is trying to encircle it. Pakistan's President General Pervez Musharraf apparently raised the issue of India's military presence in Tajikistan when he met his Tajik counterpart Emamoli Rakhmanov early this year at Almaty. An agreement of significance to India's strategic interests in the region that was signed during the Vajpayee visit was a proposed highway project. Delhi will extend the highway that runs from Chabahar in Iran through Afghanistan into Tajikistan. Delhi's moves with regard to this transport corridor are likely to be watched closely by several countries. The highway starts at the Iranian port of Chabahar, which is close to the Pakistani port of Gwadar that China is helping Pakistan build. India is not only helping Iran with the construction of the Chabahar port, but also the two are currently constructing the highway from Chabahar into Afghanistan. The India-Iran engagement is said to have irked the US and Israel. The highway will run through Afghanistan, snaking through strongholds of the Northern Alliance and helping India retain its influence here. Under the deal signed in Dushanbe last week, India will help extend this highway into Tajikistan. Happymon Jacob of the Indian think tank the Observer Research Foundation points out that the proposed highway seeks to balance Chinese engagement in the Central Asian region. Beijing has been focusing its energies on deepening engagement with Kazakhstan, playing an important role in the development of Kazakh oil fields, including those at Uzen, Aktyubinst, Kursangi and Karabagli. Besides, it is expected to construct a 3,000 kilometer gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to Xinjiang. "While China tries to engage the Central Asian region and its hydrocarbon resources through Kazakhstan, India's strategy is to engage the region through Iran, Afghanistan and Tajikistan," points out Jacob. The Syrian leg of Vajpayee's visit was perhaps the trickiest. Syria is not only on Washington's hit list, but also a sworn enemy of Delhi's new friend, Israel. The Indian prime minister's visit to Syria has come at a time when the latter is under fresh pressure of sanctions from the US. Washington, which has long regarded Syria as a "rogue state" and as a sponsor of terrorism, has accused Damascus of not curbing Palestinian and Lebanese guerrilla groups. Furthermore, it has held Syria responsible for much of the problems it is facing in Iraq, maintaining that foreign militants fighting the US-led coalition in Iraq enter from Syrian territory. Vajpayee's visit to Syria comes a little over a month after Israel's missile attacks on Syria and around two months after India and Israel announced their new "special relationship" during Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's visit to India. During that visit, India and Israel agreed to jointly combat terrorism. They finalized several defense deals. India has traditionally been a friend of the Arabs and a champion of the Palestinian cause. Not surprisingly, therefore, the growing India-Israeli bonhomie triggered alarm in several Arab capitals. In Damascus, India signaled that the new closeness with Israel and US notwithstanding, there is no change in Delhi's position on the Palestinian question. Vajpayee assured Syrian President Bashar al-Assad that India was "fully" with the Palestinian cause and that there had been no change in India's position seeking "a quick Israeli withdrawal" from Palestinian cities and other "occupied" territories, including the Golan Heights - the Syrian territory that Israel occupied in 1967. In a joint statement issued at the end of the visit, Syria supported the Indian approach to resolution of problems between India and Pakistan, ie through the Simla Agreement of 1972 and the Lahore Declaration of 1999. India and Syria condemned all terrorism, and signed nine agreements covering science and technology, biotechnology, technical cooperation, information technology and services, agriculture and allied sectors. Washington, which is already peeved with India's refusal to send troops to Iraq, would not have viewed favorably Vajpayee's three-nation tour. For decades, American analysts have grumbled about India's reluctance to support the US when it mattered. Indeed, India's voting record in the UN indicates that rarely has Delhi voted with the Americans, especially on controversial global issues. Without naming the US, Vajpayee made it clear in Moscow, Dushanbe and Damascus that India is not with Washington on Iraq and that it is uncomfortable with unilateral use of force in violation of the UN charter. Vajpayee's overtures to the Syrians and the expression of support to the Palestinian cause would have added salt to the wound. A section of Indian analysts have criticized the Indian government's compulsive need to irritate the Americans just when things between the two countries are looking up. Others, however, see Vajpayee's trip as a welcome correction of the tilt, albeit small, in India's foreign policy towards the US and Israel. An editorial in the Deccan Herald said that India's foreign policy "must be principled and guided by its own interests rather than shaped by fears of upsetting the Americans. The interaction with the Russians and Syrians was a step in this direction." Sources in India's Ministry of External Affairs point out that it is necessary for India to clarify to the US as well as to the Arabs that they would need to stand firmly by India on issues of concern to Delhi. India has stood by the Arabs for decades. Yet the Arabs have equivocated on India-Pakistan issues. Similar is the case with the Americans, who have either backed the Pakistanis, or at best done a balancing act between the two countries. Vajpayee's three-nation visit signals that India is not going to put all its eggs in one basket. Its relations with the US and Israel cannot rule out ties with their enemies or vice versa. :cool
11-21-2003, 10:49 PM
An alternative union in Europe?
By Vaiju Naravane While the noises about a possible Franco-German union are essentially early warning shots aimed principally at Poland and Spain, they are also a pragmatic setting-out of scenarios for possible future action if the E.U. Constitution fails to win acceptance in its present form. FRENCH AND German officials have gone public with the idea that their two countries could contemplate a union if the European Constitution fails to win approval. Officials in Paris and Berlin have said that if negotiations over the European Constitution, now under way, were to run into a stalemate, the Franco-German duo, constituting Europe's two largest economies that have long been the locomotive pushing European integration, would move towards a union in the spheres of foreign policy, defence, education and economic and social reform. Such a scenario however is being evoked with a caveat â that France and Germany would seek fusion only if Europe's prospective 25 members failed to reach any agreement on the constitution. The tone was set recently by the French Prime Minister, Jean-Pierre Raffarin, who said: "If a Europe of 25 fails, what will be left for France? The initiative of Franco-German rapprochement." Political observers say these statements are essentially intended to put pressure on countries like Poland and Spain, regarded as the major stumbling blocks to an early agreement on a Constitution for the European Union. Both countries won significant advantages in terms of voting rights during the Nice treaty negotiations three years ago which they are now loath to give up. Under the draft Constitution, which aims at streamlining structures and systems in order to avoid institutional paralysis, the E.U.'s decision-making process would call for a majority vote representing at least 60 per cent of the Union's population. That would effectively enable larger states such as France or Germany to block legislation coming from a group of smaller states. For while smaller states might be in a majority in terms of the number of votes, they would fail to carry the motion if large member states decided to withhold support. Spain and Poland which have substantially smaller populations compared to France, Germany or Britain, are bargaining hard to keep special voting rights they won in parleys three years ago. The E.U. nations failed to reach agreement on the issue in Rome last October and there is every likelihood of their failing to compromise at the Inter-Governmental Conference next month. The draft Constitution drawn up by a specially appointed Convention headed by the former French President, Valery Giscard 'Estaing, has also drawn criticism from several countries for its markedly secularist tone. The fact that Europe's "Christian roots" find no mention therein has drawn forth howls of protest from countries like Poland and Italy, where Silvio Berlusconi, who currently heads the E.U.'s rotating presidency has pledged to have a "religion clause" inserted in the final document. Respected commentators like economist Jean-Paul Fitoussi also deplore the failure of the document to address the question of what basic economic principles should underlie and govern a future European federation. In order to reach a consensus, Europe has gone from one bad compromise solution to another, shoving the real problems under the carpet of obfuscation from year to year. This desire for compromise is likely to make Europe less, not more governable, Mr. Fitoussi argues. In the circumstances, he says it is perhaps right that Europeans recognise the many issues that separate them, rather than go down the path of an illusory unity. It is better not to venture beyond the idea of a common market if there is no real homogeneity of views within Europe. The French and the Germans are fully aware of the divisive nature of the debate within Europe today. And while the noises about a possible Franco-German union are essentially early warning shots aimed principally at Poland and Spain, they are also a pragmatic setting-out of scenarios for possible future action if the E.U. Constitution fails to win acceptance in its present form. The Franco-German relationship has never been this close. Last month, the German Chancellor, Gerhard Schroeder, asked not his own deputy but French President Jacques Chirac to represent him at a speech before the European Council in Brussels. And the French Foreign Minister, Dominique de Villepin, described the strengthening of the Franco-German relationship as "the one historical challenge we cannot afford to lose." Such declarations would not have been possible without the spectacular impetus given to ties between the two countries by the 2002 election of Chancellor Schroeder in Germany and the re-election of President Chirac in France. Another factor that played a crucial role in bringing the two countries even closer was the Iraq crisis in which France and Germany found themselves on the same side of the fence. France has had a long history of "principled" opposition to the United States. For Germany, however, which has been a political dwarf under the U.S. thumb for over half a century, speaking out publicly against the U.S. was groundbreaking. Another unifying factor is the realisation that both countries face similar economic and social problems. Almost 10 years after the Germans first proposed a mini-federation within Europe â a strong inner core â comprising France, Germany and the Benelux countries, the French have begun to see the wisdom of the proposal. At the time, in 1994, when Christian democrats Karl Lammers and Wolfgang Schauble made the proposal under Chancellor Kohl, the French rejected it as an imposition of the German federative model on the more centralist France. The angry French also saw it as an attempt to cut their ties with Latin southern Europe. Today the idea of a Franco-German Union is being seriously considered by experts and politicians, although it is still too soon to launch a proper public debate on the subject. Pascal Lamy, the brilliant French Commissioner to the E.U., says a Franco-German "Bund" or federation should concentrate on spheres not adequately dealt with by the European Union or by the German Landers. Which would, in substance, mean defence, foreign policy, economic and social policy and research for which a special federal budget should be constituted. For Mr. Lamy, this would also mean common armies, diplomatic corps and a sharing of France's United Nations Security Council seat. So how could a public and democratic debate be launched? Despite their convergence of views, France and Germany are founded on two very different societal models, one centrist, the other federative. Gunter Verheugen, Germany's chief negotiator at European enlargement parleys, has suggested a confederation at the inter-governmental level that would include the populations of the two countries but which would not lead to the creation of new institutions. Commissioner Lamy has proposed a congress with an equal number of French and German representatives, a Franco-German Commission to administer the Bund. While Green Euro MP Daniel Cohn-Bendit feels a union would only work if it is the fruit of joint parliamentary elections. There are, of course, many opponents to the idea on both sides of the Rhine. Despite the adoption of the Euro, an integration of social and fiscal policy still raises eyebrows. The teaching of French or German as a second language in schools in both the countries has seen a decline in recent years with a marked preference for English. French or German music, television shows, books and cinema find little favour across the Rhine. Cultural reticence with eyes on both sides fixed firmly on the Anglo-Saxon world could be one of the biggest hurdles to Franco-German fusion. Several leading Germans while favouring joint defence forces say they should be firmly anchored within NATO. The French on the other hand dream of creating a purely European defence alliance completely independent of, and as a counterweight to, NATO. Germany has backed the plan for a separate European defence initiative but recently, bowing to pressure from Washington, said it would not press for a separate E.U. defence headquarters â yet. Washington thoroughly disapproves of any possible Franco-German union. Richard Perle, senior U.S. defence adviser, earlier this month urged Germany to stop following France on the international political stage saying the Franco-German relationship was harming ties with the U.S. He said the depth of the Franco-German partnership was further damaging the E.U.'s already strained ties with the U.S. The idea of a Franco-German union has also sent alarm bells ringing across Europe. Several countries, especially Italy, Spain, Poland and Britain see this as a dangerous evolution that could break the E.U. To which the French and Germans smartly reply: We are all for European unity. But not on your terms.
11-22-2003, 03:41 AM
Center for the Advanced Study of India
CASI Sixth Annual Fellowâs Lecture 2002 April 23, 2003 The Measure of India: What Makes Greatness? George Perkovich Vice President for Studies Carnegie Endowment for International Peace Paper also available on-line at: [url="http://www.sas.upenn.edu/casi/papersonline.html"]http://www.sas.upenn.edu/casi/papersonline.html[/url] Center for the Advanced Study of India Dr Francine R.Frankel, Director University of Pennsylvania 3833 Chestnut Street, Suite 130 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19104-3106 USA URL: [url="http://www.sas.upenn.edu/casi/"]http://www.sas.upenn.edu/casi/[/url] E-mail: casi@sas.upenn.edu © 2003 by the Center for the Advanced Study of India All rights reserved. Published 2003 Prologue In 1999, months after India had tested five nuclear devices in the Rajasthan desert, I was interviewing Inder Gujral, who had been Indiaâs prime minister in 1997. Gujral was known as a peacemaker -- a soft-spoken, thoughtful veteran of the Indian independence movement. With his white hair combed back and his neatly trimmed moustache and goatee, he sat in the library of his spacious home on Janpath Road and repeated the question I had just asked: âWhat did testing nuclear weapons accomplish for India?â The answer, Gujral explained, was basic and profound. âThe world gives respect to countries with nuclear weapons. Do you think it is an accident that the five permanent members of the Security Council have nuclear weapons?â Gujral insisted that India would never use nuclear weapons offensively, or in a first-strike. He did not really think of them as weapons. Rather, nuclear weapon capability manifested Indiaâs world-class greatness. Nuclear weapons marked Indiaâs arrival as a major power. Leaving the former prime ministerâs house, I admired the manicured lawn adjacent to the driveway. I exited through a security-guarded gate, past the wall protecting the house, and walked toward the taxi I had asked to wait for me. The taxi sat under a shady tree, on the dirt buffer between the wall and the wide capital boulevard. As I approached, the driver bolted upright from the passenger seat. He had been napping and the sound of footsteps awakened him and sent him scrambling out of the car and around to the hood. He held in his hand a dark tool that resembled a tire iron. He raised the hood and pushed the tool into the engine block and began cranking. He cranked and he cranked, trying to get the engine to turn over. When finally the motor sputtered to life, the driver looked up at me gleefully and bid me into the car. As the taxi trundled along the boulevard leading away from Gujralâs house, I sat in the back and chuckled. I thought of what the former prime minister had said. The driver heard me and turned his head slightly back, shrugging his shoulders in humility. âOld car,â he said, endearingly. âYes,â I said, as much to myself as to him, âand it works.â Introduction I join you tonight to consider India on the scales of greatness. In other words, to ask: by what standards do people regard a state as great? And how does India conform to those standards? I must say at the outset, that these are not questions on which I personally would fixate. Greatness in terms of power is not a standard that moves me as a human being. My impulse when looking at countries is to say, âwhatâs so great about being great?â I think a countryâs taxi drivers tell us more about it than the number of nuclear bombs it might possess. The number of Ph.D. holders, engineers, and writers driving taxicabs in a country, and where they came from, tells me a lot about the country weâre in and the country from whence they came. The taxi driver in Iran who complains bitterly about the ayatollahs and wants to talk about pop music and freedom, tells me something about Iran. The engineer who fled Nigeria for the opportunity possible in America, even if itâs driving a cab, tells me something about Nigeria and the U.S. Great power has little to do with it. Nevertheless, greatness is on peopleâs minds now when they think about India. Not only Indian elites, but also American politicians, diplomats, and scholars talk about Indiaâs looming greatness on the international stage. Businesspeople who havenât done business in India talk about the greatness of its market. So, it is not unnatural to delve further into the matter and ask, what makes a great power, and is India emerging as one? As we begin this consideration, I must warn you that at the end I will return to question this question. What Makes a Great Power? Social scientists, in their quest to emulate natural scientists, have devoted considerable effort to identify indices of great power. Unfortunately, while laws of nature may exist for natural scientists to discover, human societies act contingently. Freedom, irrationality, perception and misperception â these and other human traits defeat the effort to discover objective and useful measures of power. Power within and between states derives from intangible as well as tangible attributes. Thus, the United States was a great power in the 1960s and 70s yet lost a major war to Vietnam, a developing country. Similarly, the Soviet Union foundered on the rocks of Afghanistan and never recovered. Is France a major power today? It possesses two seemingly vital attributes of major powerdom â nuclear weapons and a veto in the UN Security Council â yet neither enabled France to deflect the U.S. and the U.K. from resorting to war in Iraq. Many other examples can be adduced to show the difficulties of measuring effective international power. That said, Kenneth Waltz â perhaps the most famous contemporary Western theorist of international relations -- provides a useful colloquial definition of power as the âextent that [one] effects others more than they affect [one].â A stateâs power is a combination of its capacity to resist the unwelcome influence of others, and, conversely, to influence others to behave as it wants them to.[i] Of course, social scientists do not leave the definitional exercise there. Searching for greater precision, empiricism, and testability, they have sought to distinguish the most important, quantifiable determinants of state power.[ii] Given the role of warfare in world history, analysts posit that military power is perhaps most important.[iii] Military power in turn depends at least to some degree on a stateâs (or allianceâs) human and material resources. Hence, most evaluations of state power include measurements of population, economic output, and technological/industrial capacity. [iv] These indices add depth and quality to the assessment of a stateâs military power. Still, in war as in other international contests for influence, the state with the most military strength often does not prevail.[v] Military hardware and troops, population, economic output, and technological sophistication offer potential power, just as height offers potential basketball talent. But not all tall people are great basketball players, and not all teams with the tallest players win championships. Other attributes transform physical potential into success at given challenges, including in international affairs. The quality of governance helps determine the efficiency with which natural and human resources can be converted into wealth and economic strength. A government capable of providing health, education, and other public goods and services can make the difference between a sick, hungry, ignorant population and a healthy, educated, and productive workforce. The former is more likely to be powerful than the latter.[vi] Governmental efficacy in turn depends at least in part on social factors such as national cohesion and cultural unity.[vii] In international affairs, a stateâs diplomatic, strategic, and intelligence acumen can determine whether raw physical capacity translates into effective power.[viii] Scholars and authorities recently have given greater due to such non-material sources of international power â âsoft powerâ in Joe Nyeâs words. States can gain influence through diplomacy, moral standing, market attractiveness, intelligence-gathering capabilities, and the charisma of individual leaders whether or not they have great military power. Thus, power in the international system derives from material capabilities and the wherewithal to translate those capabilities into the effective pursuit of foreign policy objectives. Power cannot be measured satisfactorily through quantitative indices alone. Measures of raw capability must be balanced with subjective evaluations of a stateâs effectiveness. Is India Emerging As A Major Power? So, how does India fare on these scales?[ix] Allow me briefly to survey Indiaâs performance in four key domains: socio-economic; political; military-security; and diplomatic. Socio-Economic Indicators Overall GDP says something about a stateâs collective power potential. Yet, the size of the population that both produces and lives off GDP tells us more (but not all) about the societyâs productivity and about its citizensâ quality of life. Thus, GDP measured on a basis of per capita purchasing power parity gives a finer picture of a stateâs position. Here, for example, Indiaâs (and Chinaâs) great populations bring down their rankings. Indiaâs estimated 2002 per capita GDP at purchasing power parity was $2,540. Chinaâs was $4,600. (Brazilâs in 2000, was $7,400). Relatively low per capita GDP probably indicates that citizens have many unfulfilled longings and aspirations for basic social-economic goods. This in turn establishes major challenges and priorities for government. Simply put, states with low per capita GDP struggle to translate their aggregate productivity into effective power. For example, India, China and Brazil, rank near the bottom of per capita, PPP GDP comparisons of regional and global powers. These statesâ leaders have much work to do to mobilize their societies to be able to achieve first-order domestic objectives, let alone undertake ambitious international projects. Other measures help evaluate statesâ socio-economic health and prospects. The United Nations Human Development Index, for example, provides a rough assessment of how states meet their citizensâ basic needs, which in turn affect current and potential productivity. The HDI is comprised of four variables: life expectancy at birth, adult literacy rate, school enrollment, and GDP per capita (PPP $US). While the value of this indicator is debatable, it shows that India ranks 115th out of 162 countries for which data was available. China is ranked 87th. Indiaâs National Security Council Secretariat uses a variant of this index, which it calls the Population Index. This takes a countryâs population and multiplies it by its Human Development Index coefficient. The aim is to adjust the âvalueâ of a stateâs population to take into account the development of that population. Of the twenty-nine countries ranked, India places 27th, ahead only of Pakistan and Nigeria, according to Indiaâs National Security Council Secretariat.[x] Education strongly affects a societyâs prospects for increasing economic productivity, obtaining greater value for each âexertion.â Here India seems bifurcated. India has absolutely world-class scientific and technological education institutions. The Indian Institutes of Technology admit and Graduate a large number of the worldâs best young technologists, not only in information technology but also other branches of engineering. The Indian Institute of Sciences and other higher education institutions produce large numbers of top-class scientists. Thus, India is recognized as a world-class player in at least three vitally important sectors of the 21st century global economy: information technology, biotechnology and space. At the same time, however, India performs miserably in providing primary education to its large population. Much of Indiaâs workforce lacks the basic knowledge and skills required for effectiveness in a modern industrial and service economy.[xi] With sixty percent of the population living rural lives tied to agriculture, the lack of adequate rural schooling, especially for girls, imposes a major handicap on Indiaâs prospects. A stateâs share in world trade can indicate many things. On one hand, a large share of world trade can give a state international power insofar as others may depend on that state as a buyer of their goods and services or as a seller of key goods and services to them. Power may be wielded either by the promise of providing or withholding more or less of what others want. At the same time, though, an internationally engaged state can be subjected to influences by its trading partners. On balance, economic theory and history suggest that trade heightens efficiency and the production of wealth. This suggests a correlation between share of world trade and power potential. While these statistics are difficult to aggregate, India accounts only for roughly 1 percent of world trade in goods and services. Recently, analysts have developed indices of corruption. Corruption would seem to indicate the quality of governance, rule of law, and general levels of development. These attributes no doubt affect a stateâs capacity to turn its resources into desired goods, to mobilize its potential. Corruption levels also reflect the attractiveness of a state to investors, which again speaks to power potential. India ranks low in international comparisons of corruption, among the most corrupt 30% of those countries surveyed.[xii] Corruption may help explain the fact that Indiaâs recently sound rate of growth has not produced a commensurate reduction in poverty. Whereas GDP has grown by six percent from 1992-93, the rate of poverty alleviation has been only a bit over one percent per year. Accounting for population growth of 1.8 percent, the rate of poverty alleviation still lags significantly behind the rate of growth. In other words, economic growth does not automatically or magically reduce poverty. The World Bank economist, Martin Ravillon explains that the bulk of Indiaâs poor live in rural villages dependent on agriculture and that Indiaâs agricultural sector lags behind the overall level of economic growth which is driven largely by services.[xiii] Also, Indiaâs economic growth has occurred chiefly in regions that are already better off. The poorest regions of the country have experienced the least growth and development. Thirdly, even within the rural sector, some regions exploit economic growth to lower poverty while others donât. Analyses such as Ravillonâs highlight the role of governance in augmenting economic growth and development. The state -- or states -- carries responsibility for providing the infrastructure, educational, and health resources necessary to improve the capacities of the twenty-five percent of Indians who remain impoverished. As Ravillon reports, the Indian states with effective programs to promote literacy and health care, especially for women, grow better. The states with better rural roads, irrigation, and other infrastructure also do better. Unfortunately, he concludes, no state in India has developed good rural infrastructure and human resource programs. India is caught in a vicious circle here. The central governmentâs fiscal deficit has run at a debilitating ten percent of GDP since 1998. Interest payments on this debt comprise the largest single government expense. Fiscal debt servicing combines with defense spending and subsidies to total sixty percent of the budget. Insufficient funds remain for necessary investments in health, education and infrastructure. Economists identify several methods for reducing the fiscal deficit, but in a democracy, interest groups mobilize to block each of these pathways to fiscal solvency.[xiv] Indiaâs emergence as a major global power will depend significantly on whether it can simultaneously mobilize investment to improve the capacities of its poor and reduce its fiscal deficit. One last word about economics: commentators in India and around the world compare Indiaâs economic performance to Chinaâs. This is natural: India and China are neighbors, the only two countries with more than one billion citizens. They both strive for global power. In such economic comparisons, India tends to fall behind China. However, economic comparisons overlook the vital qualitative distinction of Indiaâs democracy. Political evolution may (or may not) bring unforeseeable destabilizing changes to China. Indiaâs economic progress may be more sustainable for having been democratically produced. Most important, though, the political freedom and justice available in India are profoundly valuable in their own right. The ultimate measure of a state and society is the quality of life its members enjoy. This transcends calories consumed, television hours watched, and automobile rides enjoyed.[xv] State Capacity and Political Cohesion This discussion of economics points directly toward a second category of state power, namely governmental capacity and political cohesion.[xvi] To produce and sustain significant power a state must have a political system that citizens support. A state with a disgruntled or dissident citizenry will divert precious resources to impose order and will not be able to mobilize the full creativity and energy of its people. Politics also serve broader human needs than efficiency. People participate in politics to pursue justice, liberty, glory, community and other virtues and vices. To the degree that a government does not help its citizens to achieve these values and aspirations, that stateâs long-term power probably will wane. A societyâs morale depends heavily on the qualities of its governors â leaders. Political leaders who do not embody justice, communal toleration, fraternity, and altruism will not foster government that pursues these attributes. Factiousness is an important but often ambiguous variable of state health. As proponents of checks and balances note, government that allows factiousness can protect the rights and interests of minorities by preventing a large majority from coalescing and dominating a polity. One measure of liberal democracyâs genius is its tendency to enable factions to cancel each other out. On the other hand, a state constantly embroiled in factional disputes will find it difficult to make and execute major strategic decisions or to satisfy the aspirations and values even of a majority. In each of the terms discussed above â legitimacy, order, efficiency, moral-political values, factiousness, and initiative â India has performed to mixed effect. This is no small achievement. No state in history has been as populous, diverse, stratified, poor and democratic as India. The attempt to resolve all of its internal conflicts through democratically representative government leads to muddling, almost by definition.[xvii] Francine Frankel has described the multi-faceted political transformations India is now undergoing: âthe electoral upsurge of historically disadvantaged groups, the political organization of lower castes and dalits in competition with each other and in opposition to upper castes, fragmentation of national political parties, violence between Hindus and Muslimsâ¦, and the emergence of Hindutvaâ¦as the most important ideological challenge to the constitutional vision of the liberal state.â[xviii] Each of these phenomena involves competition to acquire the power and patronage that come with government office at the state and union levels. Meanwhile, imperatives of economic liberalization and globalization require diminishing the role of government in overall national activity. Representative democracy gives long-disadvantaged groups opportunities to mobilize and compete for control of government and, therefore, patronage. At the same time, the ârulesâ of private markets do not provide such clear avenues for the disadvantaged to advance. So, will the shrinking of government intensify political conflict? Will, or should, political actors concentrate primarily on how the pie is divided â patronage -- or on making a bigger pie -reform? Here the current central government of India reveals conflicting tendencies. On one hand, economic reformers seek to bake a larger pie. On the other hand, the BJP, whipped onward by its highly mobilized and more extreme sister-organizations the RSS (Rashtriya Swayamesevak Sangh) and VHP (Vishwa Hindu Parishad) concentrates on the flavor of the pie and who is entitled to partake of it and under what terms. The carnage in Gujarat last year dramatizes the stakes in this conflict over the very essence of the Indian nationâs and stateâs identity. Yet Indiaâs manifold diversity precludes easy conclusions about the likely outcome. The BJP aspires for sustained national leadership. This has required it to temper its social agenda in order to attract diverse political partners into the coalition it needs to rule the Union government. Among the current governmentâs 22 coalition partners are many that do not subscribe to Hindutva. Geographically, the Hindutva movement draws its strength primarily in northern Indian states. The Hindutva movementâs campaign to define Indiaâs national identity in one uniform way heightens tensions not only among Hindus and Muslims, but along geographic and other lines as well. This campaign for cultural nationalism contravenes the essence of Indiaâs âdemocratic nationalism,â in Achin Vanaikâs words. Democratic nationalism seeks to âtry and build a sense of Indianness which recognizes and respects the fact that there are different ways of being and feeling Indian, and that it is precisely these plural and diverse sources of a potential nationalism that constitute its strength.â [xix] Thus, at the same time India is generating the material economic and military resources to become a major global power, the Indian political system struggles to clarify the nationâs essential identity. The outcome of this struggle cannot be predicted. Yet, the character and conduct of the struggle will profoundly affect Indiaâs cohesion and stability. It also will affect the way the rest of the world regards India. Will India gain greater global respect as a decidedly Hindu nation in a 21st century world defined in civilizational terms?[xx] Or, as the writer Raja Mohan has suggested, will India win global power and respect as an exemplar of the Enlightenment project into Asia? Arguments can be made in behalf of either course. Yet, if analysts of international power are correct, then the most empowering course will be the one that provides the greatest mass of the Indian populous with the education, infrastructure, and political-economic liberty and security necessary to lead productive lives. The most successful course will be the one that strengthens the cohesion and allegiance of the greatest number of Indiaâs diverse citizens and groups. In an inherently pluralistic society, pluralism, not cultural nationalism, offers the only viable model to release the creative energies of a vast population. Or so it seems at least to this observer. Military-Security Indicators Now I turn to the most classic indicator of great power: military strength. Measuring military power is more complicated than it might seem. First, for the measurement to be meaningful, there must be a requirement against which the stateâs military power is being measured. What are the threats the military is to deter and/or defeat? Second, measuring effectiveness itself is difficult. (War provides a real empirical test, but states would like to know the effectiveness of their military before they enter war.) Expenditures can be measured easily, but do not necessarily indicate military effectiveness. So, too, numbers of men under arms, and numbers of tanks, aircraft and ships do not necessarily connote fighting effectiveness. All states might naturally desire absolute security â confidence that no adversary or combination of adversaries could do one any harm. Yet, in the real world states settle for relative security. And the degree of security a state practically seeks depends in large part on its basic capabilities at a given time. In other words, a stateâs security ambitions can grow as its power potential grows. This has happened in India. Indiaâs military security challenges begin at home, with internal security against insurgents and terrorists. The next and most dramatic ring of the threat circle encompasses Pakistan. India seeks to deter or defeat Pakistani support of subversion within India, including most prominently, in the state of Jammu and Kashmir. India also must deter or defeat Pakistani attempts to escalate the conflict between the two countries. India strives to retain a free hand to punish Pakistani violence by imposing greater losses on Pakistan than Pakistan imposes on India. This amounts to dominance of the potential escalatory process. Beyond the need to dominate a potential escalatory process with Pakistan, India also requires the capacity to deter or physically deny China from imposing on India an unacceptable resolution of their border dispute. India also wishes to deny China the prospect of coercive blackmail â of having enough military power to compel India to heed Chinaâs demands for fear of military action that India could not counter. Next, India seeks to protect its sea lines of communication to the east, toward Indo-China and to the west through the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean. India recently has increased significantly its expenditure on and accumulation of military instruments. The budget for fiscal year 2003-04 raises defense spending by 17 percent. This is the fourth consecutive year of annual defense budget increases greater than 12 percent. India has signed at least $4 billion worth of contracts with Russia in the last couple of years to purchase advanced military equipment. When Indian leaders tested nuclear weapons in May 1998 many in the nation felt that India finally had entered the ranks of major power. Indian scientists and engineers have continued to increase the stateâs stockpile of nuclear materials and weapons. In 2003 India is estimated to possess 40 or more nuclear weapons. The technical composition of Indiaâs nuclear arsenal remains publicly unclear â we do not know how many, if any, of these weapons are thermonuclear, boosted-fission, or fission. Indiaâs capacity to deliver nuclear weapons also continues to expand. Fighter-bomber aircraft remain the principal means of delivery. At least three models of mobile ballistic missiles are also being developed and deployed â the short-range Prithvi, and the Agni I and Agni II â with longer-range Agni IIIs and Ivs on the drawing board. Yet, nuclear weapons are not sufficient to make a major power. Otherwise, Pakistan, too, would be a major power. Pakistan possesses rough nuclear parity with India. So, too, Israel and perhaps North Korea would qualify as major powers if nuclear weapons were sufficient for this rank. Neither nuclear weapons nor a recent dramatic increase in conventional military procurement, largely from Russia, has freed India from Pakistani security threats. Indiaâs growing military and economic strength heightens the frustrated desire to âteach Pakistan a lesson once and for all.â But Indian statesmen also recognize that Pakistanâs nuclear weapons make decisive military intervention to punish Pakistan enormously risky. So India is stuck with relatively manageable insecurity viz a viz Pakistan. Regarding China, India finds itself on a more positive trajectory. Indiaâs growing economic, military and diplomatic strength, combined with Chinaâs desire to concentrate on internal political-economic development, induces Beijing to improve relations with New Delhi. Indiaâs rather astute cultivation of better ties with both the U.S. and China, has encouraged Beijing to seek better relations with India. Beijing wants India not to align closely with the U.S. against China. New Delhi and Beijing thus augment their military capabilities while simultaneously engaging in mutual diplomatic reassurance. On balance, India steadily has improved its security relationship with China. In closing this section, let me anticipate a protest I have heard from many Indian friends recently. India passionately seeks to decouple or de-hyphenate Pakistan from India. Treating the two states like twins diminishes India. India is greater than Pakistan in every regard except one: nuclear weapons. But, unfortunately for India and the world, nuclear weapons are great equalizers. The world, including of course the U.S. government, fears the humanitarian horror that nuclear weapons could unleash in South Asia, but also the dangerous disordering effects on the international system. So, when Pakistan, or terrorist groups affiliated with it, instigates a crisis in Kashmir, and India responds by threatening military retaliation, the world worries that the escalatory process could lead to nuclear war. We know that this fearful reaction might play into Pakistanâs interest. But the fact that India naturally threatens military escalation makes it impossible to discount the possibility of warfare that could lead to nuclear use. Nuclear weapons gave Pakistan this capacity to stay in the game, to continue to pop up and grab India by the dhoti. Neither the U.S. nor India has the power to compel Pakistan to do otherwise. Neither one of us can take over Pakistan; and neither would benefit from the results of economically strangulating Pakistan. Thus, neither India nor the U.S. can escape from the reality that we have to deal with Pakistan. Finally, on Pakistan, let me offer a highly debatable point that I have not seen made elsewhere. I believe that the prominence and power of the Pakistani Army, intelligence services and jihadis will not diminish as long as the prominence and power of the Hindutva agenda are rising in India. These two internal dynamics are related; they feed on each other. Pakistanis cite the RSS and VHP as proof that Hindus are out to destroy Muslims and, of course, Pakistan. The RSS and VHP, of course, use the prominence of Islamist parties and terrorist organizations in Pakistan as proof that Muslims are evil. My point is simply that pursuit of the Hindutva agenda will only tighten the handcuffs, the hyphen, that connects Pakistan to India. The only way for India to liberate itself from Pakistan is through pluralist liberalism, not cultural nationalism. Statecraft Indicators Statecraft can increase or decrease a countryâs influence relative to its material capabilities. The combination of leadership, strategic vision and tactics, moral example and suasion, and diplomatic acumen can earn a state great international influence. The potency of Indiaâs statecraft has ebbed and flowed in decades-long tides. The currently rising tide follows decades of trough after the Nehru years. The overt demonstration of Indiaâs nuclear weapon capabilities seems to have heightened Indian leadersâ confidence in developing and prosecuting an international diplomatic strategy. Since 1998, under the leadership of Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee and Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh, India displayed new vigor and imagination in its interactions with the United States, China, Pakistan, Russia, the European Union and other counterparts.[xxi] In early 2003, Indian leaders showed how far their strategic and diplomatic acumen has evolved since the days of knee-jerk moralistic denunciations of U.S. power. India did not support the Bush Administrationâs decision to intervene militarily in Iraq. At the same time, Indians have felt that the U.S. displays disingenuousness or hypocrisy in waging war against Saddam Hussein as a terrorist, while supporting Pakistanâs President Pervez Musharraf. In Indian eyes, Pakistan is a greater source of terrorism than Iraq. Whereas Indian leaders in decades past would have blasted the U.S. in morally laden denunciations, New Delhi in 2003 displayed diplomatic savoir faire. âIndia has not been happy with the US because of its inability to pressure Pakistan on cross-border terrorism and lifting of sanctions,â an Indian official declared, âbut the government did not go beyond saying that it was âdisappointedâ over the move. The government was not going by the sentiment; national interest weighed supreme in the minds of decision-makers.â[xxii] Prime Minister Vajpayee summed up the new statesmanship tellingly: âWe have to take the totality of the situation into consideration and craft an approach which is consistent with both our principles and our long-term national interest. Our words, actions and diplomatic efforts should be aimed at trying to achieve pragmatic goals, rather than creating rhetorical effect. Quiet diplomacy is far more effective than public posturing.â[xxiii] This insight, if applied regularly, which is very difficult to do in a democracy, could greatly increase Indiaâs influence in the halls of global power. However, in terms of international institutions and regimes, as distinct from bilateral relations, Indiaâs recent record is more mixed. Indiaâs Commerce Minister Murasoli Maran, played a leading role in the November 2001 World Trade Organization negotiations. To a large extent, Maran represented many weaker developing countries, in addition to India. In this role, Maran contested the U.S. and other major economic powers. Fairly or not, the richer countries, particularly the U.S., felt that Maran typified an old, unwelcome and counter-productive Indian style of moralism and doggedness. Indians from more internationally competitive industries shared this evaluation, while others favoring trade protectionism viewed him as a champion. Looking ahead, to the degree that Indiaâs economic future and, therefore, its international standing depend on a growing role in global trade, Indian diplomacy may need further adjustment. The international nonproliferation regime also comprises an arena for Indian diplomacy. The global nonproliferation regime faces grave problems. India has conflicting interests. It opposes the further spread of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction. It also wants to be recognized as a nuclear-weapon state and to be freed of export denials and other limitations relating to Indiaâs non-membership in the NPT. Indian leaders exhort the U.S. and others to remove bars to nuclear and other technology transfer to India. The U.S., Japan and others resist, arguing that removing limitations on India would reward proliferation and undermine the interests of the 180-plus states that have foresworn nuclear weapons through adherence to the NPT. Current evidence does not allow a sound prediction of how India and the world will fare on this matter. Finally, India, as other states, regards a permanent seat on the UN Security Council as a measure of major power. But India would be unlikely to win a vote to award it such a seat, either from the current Security Council members or the General Assembly. One measure of Indian diplomacy in the future will be how it either lowers the value of a Security Council seat and therefore makes Indiaâs power ranking independent of such a position, or alternatively how India attains a seat. Conclusion Where does this survey leave us? What can we say about measuring India for greatness? Indiaâs National Security Council Secretariat has produced a National Security Index that ranks countriesâ with a composite measurement of military, demographic and economic indices. India ranks 10th in the world, just behind Israel. (The ranking: U.S., Japan, China, South Korea, Germany, France, Russia, UK, Israel, India.)[xxiv] Does being number ten make one a major power? Is the cut-off at number five? Number twelve? Subjectivity is inescapable here, so I suggest that the bottom-line question is whether India gets what it wants from other states and the international system. No state gets all of what it wants all of the time, but does India get much of what it wants much of the time? The answer appears mixed. India does not get what it wants in all these domains; it canât make others say âyesâ to Indian demands. But India is powerful enough to say ânoâ to most if not all demands of others. One way to mark Indiaâs progress will be to see how often it exerts its power to say ânoâ to othersâ preferences, versus the frequency with which India persuades others to say âyesâ to its preferences. As the Indian ânosâ decrease and the rest of the worldâs âyesesâ increase, Indiaâs power will rise. I close with a thought experiment that may help American observers to appreciate the magnitude of the Indian challenge and what it may tell us about power. Imagine the United States admitting Mexico as the 51st state in the union. The very proposition elicits visions of politicians in Washington decrying the drain of resources to bring Mexicoâs millions of poor up to U.S. standards of health care, income, and education. What of language? Will the new Mexican citizens be obligated to learn English? How would education standards be set and achieved? The burden of adopting Mexico is beyond the comprehension of most in the U.S. Continuing the thought experiment, letâs add not only Mexico but also Canada, Central America and South America. Yes, letâs add to the United States of the Americas Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvadorâ¦Chile, Uruguayâ¦.Venezuela with itâs turmoilâ¦Columbia with its civil conflict, drug cartelsâ¦Brazil with its teeming cities of Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paoloâ¦Argentina with its fiscal crisis. If the United States of America became the United States of the Americas, the population would be 824 million. Itâs gross domestic product would be $12.46 trillion (compared to $10 trillion for the U.S. alone). Per capita GDP of the new entity would be roughly $15,000 (compared to roughly $35,000 in the U.S. alone). Imagine the conduct of elections in this population and the resultant mélange of interests, accents, and histories that would animate the deliberations of the new congress in Washington. Imagine the burdens the president would feel â the attorney general, the FBI director, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. In fact, the prospect defies imagination. It is incomprehensible. And yet, the United States of the Americas would still contain 200 million people fewer than India. It would still be less diverse ethnically, linguistically, religiously and historically than India. And it would be twenty-five times richer than India. The United States of the Americas would be much more troubled and difficult to govern than the U.S. today. It would be poorer, less stable, more corrupt, and less secure in many ways. Yet the size of the United States of the Americas alone would make its leaders and people feel that it must of course be treated as a great power. Citizens and, especially leaders, would feel that if we kept our massive and diverse polity together and on a course of economic advancement without either imploding or threatening our neighbors the United States of the Americas would deserve world historical commendation. The idea that other powers â outsiders with fewer challenges and many more resources per capita â would impose their standards in determining whether to grant the United States of the Americas a prime place in the international community would prompt outrage. Politicians, pundits and barroom patrons would declaim: does the rest of the world have any idea how hard it is just to maintain order, rule of law, economic growth and democracy in this country? This simple thought experiment may suggest that the relativity of great power in the international system is misleading when thinking of a state and society as enormous and complicated as India. Perhaps the notion and language of âgreat powerâ is irrelevant when it comes to India. Maybe we should keep score a different way. India, as an ancient and at once diverse and somehow unified civilization of more than one billion people, deserves recognition for making steady progress under democratic governance without trampling on its neighbors. India achieves greatness by maintaining a democratic rule-of-law government and living in relative peace. India achieves greatness by improving the quality of life of its free citizens. [i] Kenneth Waltz, Theory of International Politics. (Reading: Addison-Wesley, 1979) 191-192. [ii] RAND Corporation analysts led by Ashley Tellis recently developed one of the most comprehensive and dynamic power-measuring models. The RAND group concludes that ânational power is ultimately the product of the interaction of two components: a countryâs ability to dominate the cycles of economic innovation at a given point in time and, thereafter, to utilize the fruits of this domination to produce effective military capabilities that, in turn, reinforce existing economic advantages while producing a stable political order, which is maintained primarily for the countryâs own strategic advantage but also provides benefits for the international system as a whole.â Tellis, et al, Measuring National Power in the Postindustrial Age: Analysts Handbook (Santa Monica: RAND, 2000), p. 4. The RAND analysts then detail five building blocks of power under the category of âNational resourcesâ: technology, enterprise, human resources, financial/capital resources, physical resources. Three factors under the category of âNational performanceâ augment or detract from the utilization of national resources: external constraints, infrastructural capacity, ideational resources. âMilitary capabilityâ is the product of an interaction between national resources and national performance. While interesting and realistically detailed, this model is explicitly geared toward assessing the capacity of a state to achieve and sustain global hegemony. Assessing the emergence of potential major powers does not seem to require a model as detailed as that proffered by the RAND group. [iii] For a summary of the historical methods of determining great power status, see Jack Levy, War in the Modern Great Power System, 1945-1975. (Lexington: University Press of Kentucky, 1983) pp. 10-19. [iv] The most notable of these is the Correlates of War military capabilities index. Singer, Bremer, and Stuckey, âCapability Distribution, Uncertainty, and Major Power War, 1820-1965,â in Bruce M Russet, Peace War and Numbers (Beverly Hills: Sage Publications, 1972). pp. 19-48. [v] John Mearsheimer cites this failure of the stronger state to always prevail in conflicts as a reason for measuring power in terms of material capabilities, rather than the ability to prevail in conflict. He focuses his measure of material capacity on military power because military force remains âthe ultima ratio of international politics.â John Mearsheimer, The Tragedy of Great Power Politics. (New York: W. W. Norton and Co. 2001) pp. 55-57. In 1977, Joseph Nye gave four reasons why military force had become more costly to use, and therefore was less singularly relevant to state power: risks of nuclear escalation; resistance by people in poor, weak countries; uncertain and possibly negative effects on the achievement of economic goals; and domestic opinion opposed to the human costs of the use of force. Robert O. Keohane, Joseph S. Nye, Power and Interdependence. (Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1977) pg. 228. [vi] For a further discussion of this point, see Bruce Russett and Harvey Starr, World Politics: The Menu for Choice. (New York: W. H. Freeman and Company, 1989) pg. 142-143. [vii] National cohesion and universalistic culture are examined along with international institutions as âintangibleâ sources of power by Joseph Nye in Bound to Lead. (New York: Basic Books inc. 1990) [viii] David Singer, one of the primary architects of the COW index, writes that these type of factors are âcontributory to national power and the efficiency with which material capabilities are used, but not a component of that power.â His decision not to include them in the index is based, then, not on a refusal to acknowledge their importance, but on a decision to make a semantic exclusion of such vague, difficult-to-measure variables. David Singer and Paul F. Diehl, Measuring the Correlates of War. (Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press, 1990) pg. 55. Kenneth Waltz includes the variable of âcompetenceâ in his list of the components of power, along with size of population and territory; resource endowment; economic capabilities; and military strength. Waltz, it must be noted however, makes no attempt to quantify any of these variables, stating only that their relative importance fluctuates with time, leading to frequent miscalculations regarding the relative power of states. His list of power components is more an acknowledgement of the measurement problem than a solution. Kenneth Waltz, Theory of International Politics. (Reading: Addison-Wesley, 1979) pg. 131. See also Russett and Starr, Politics, The Menu for Choice, pg. 149. [ix] Two recent volumes, by Stephen Cohen and Baldev Raj Nayar and T.V. Paul, similarly seek to assess Indiaâs power position, but in more detail than space allows here. Stephen P. Cohen, India: Emerging Power (Washington, DC: Brookings Institution Press, 2001), Baldev Raj Nayar and T.V. Paul, India In the World Order: Searching for Major-Power Status (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2003). The Cohen volume is more interpretive, while Nayar and Paul complicate their analysis of Indiaâs capacities with an argument that the U.S. and other recognized major powers systematically prevent India from entering these ranks. The problematic argument unfortunately distracts and detracts from the useful analysis of Indiaâs strengths and weaknesses. Nayar and Paul consider ten power indicators or âresourcesâ, in their term. Four âhard-power resourcesâ are military power, economic power, technology, and demographics. Six âsoft-power resourcesâ are normative, institutional, cultural, state capacity, strategy and diplomacy, and national leadership. Ibid., 49-62. [x] Satish Kumar, ed., Indiaâs National Security Annual Review, p. 359. [xi] Pradeep Agarwal et al., Policy Regimes and Industrial Competitiveness: A Comparative Study of East Asia and India (Houndmills, UK: Macmillan, 2000), p. 272. [xii] Human Development in South Asia 1999, The Crisis of Governance, Karachi: The Mahbub ul Haq Human Development Centre. [xiii] Martin Ravillon, presentation to the Brookings Institution-Carnegie Endowment for International Peace conference, âMaking Globalization Work,â December 2, 2002, transcript of panel 1, pp. 7-8. [xiv] Leading debt reduction options are to: reduce the size of government by cutting payrolls and privatizing state enterprises (or alternatively, increase the productivity of government workers and enterprises); attract foreign investment, particularly in infrastructure; increase tax collections (not necessarily tax rates). [xv]Still, to achieve the level of economic development that can raise the quality of life of all Indians, especially the poor, the nation must average seven-to-eight percent annual growth over the next decade. Sanjaya Baru, âThe Strategic Consequences of Indiaâs Economic Performance,â in Satish Kumar, ed., Indiaâs National Security Annual Review 2002 (New Delhi: India Research Press, 2003) 177. [xvi] The RAND study, Measuring National Power in the Postindustrial Age, considers a stateâs âcapacity to set goals,â the âextent of elite cohesion,â ârelative power of social groups,â the capacity of the state to collect higher levels of taxes from direct levies versus taxes on trade, and so on. Some of these variables admit quantitative measurement, but most require subjective analysis. Op. cit., 22-27. [xvii] Nayar and Paul write that âIndia is often called a soft state, a state that fails to enforce enacted policiesâ¦â This may be a function of democratization itself. As Francine Frankel has noted, âdemocratization has fragmented political parties along state, sub-regional, caste and religious lines, creating unstable coalition governments, paralyzed from within, without the capacity to carry out unfinished reforms.â Nayar and Paul, 60. Francine Frankel, âContextual Democracy: intersections of society, culture and politics in India,â in Francine Frankel, Zoya Hasan, Rajeev Bhargava, Balveer Arora eds., Transforming India (New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2000), 20. [xviii] Francine Frankel, âContextual Democracy: intersections of society, culture and politics in India,â in Francine Frankel, Zoya Hasan, Rajeev Bhargava, Balveer Arora eds., Transforming India (New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2000), 5. [xix] Achin Vanaik, âInterface Between Democracy, Diversity and Stability,â in D D Khanna, LL Mehrotra, Gert W. Kueck eds., Democracy, Diversity, Stability (Delhi: MacMillan India Ltd., 1998), 301. [xx] Using Samuel Huntingtonâs controversial categories, the world can be seen as divided along the following civilizational lines: Western, Latin American, African, Islamic, Sinic, Hindu, Orthodox, Buddhist, Japanese. Samuel Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and The Remaking of World Order (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1996). [xxi] For a more thorough discussion of these developments, see pp. 495-501 in Perkovich, Indiaâs Nuclear Bomb, paperback edition, 2001. [xxii] Sanjay Singh, âThin Red Line: New Delhiâs Balancing Act,â Pioneer, March 23, 2003. [xxiii] Sanjay Singh, âThin Red Line: New Delhiâs Balancing Act,â Pioneer, March 23, 2003. [xxiv] In Kumar, ed., op. cit., p. 352.
11-22-2003, 10:27 AM
Any idea what is India game plan ???
__________________________________________ [url="http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IEH20031121154110&Page=H&Title=Top+Stories&Topic=0&"]http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?I...tories&Topic=0&[/url] Delhi sends an invite to key Iraq Kurds Saturday November 22 2003 02:01 IST NEW DELHI: India has taken an unusual step in the fast-changing Iraq theatre by inviting key Kurdish leaders Jalal Talebani and Masoud Barzani, besides Adnan Pachachi, the Sunni leader who once served as the country's foreign minister. The invitations to the three key members of the Iraqi Governing Council_Talebani is right now its rotating head_were issued on the weekend, around the same time US announced it would hand over power to the Iraqis by the summer of 2004. New Delhi will also decide ``over the next few days'' when to send the advance Army medical team to Najaf in central Iraq to put together a hospital specializing in maternity and paediatric care, along with the Jordanians. The invitations to the Iraqi leaders comes in the wake of a long debate within the government over how to deal with Iraq. While PM Vajpayee has ruled out sending troops to help ease the pain of the US-led coalition forces, because they are also ``occupying forces'', he has also stressed the need for India ``to get out of its Cold War mindset'' and deal with a new world. Even critics admit the Indian invitation perfectly straddles that divide. Firstly, the US had invited New Delhi to send its troops to the Kurdistan sector in northern Iraq, knowing full well that New Delhi would not like to confront Sunnis and Shias in middle and southern Iraq. When Indian officials went on a trip to northern Iraq in the late summer and met both Talebani and Barzani, the Kurdish leaders told the officials that they ``would have no problem'' if Indian troops kept the peace in their part of Iraq. Significantly, both Talebani and Barzani told the Indian officials that they fondly remembered the support given to the 1925 Kurdistan campaign by none other than Jawaharlal Nehru. They knew too that Nehru had sympathetically referred to the Kurds vis-Ã -vis the Turks (``(Kemal Pasha) then crushed the Kurds without pity...The Kurdish leaders, Sheikh Said and Doctor Fuad and many others, were executed. They died with the plea for the independence of Kurdistan on their lips.''), and cited chapter and verse from Nehru's `Glimpses of World History. Certainly, New Delhi seems not only keen about reforging the old Kurdish connection, it is also interested in restoring ties with the rest of Sunni-Shia Iraq. Short of sending troops and putting its people in danger, the message in the government is, India would be willing to help participate in civilian projects in that country. One Indian team has already restored power in a central Iraqi city. The decision to send the advance medical team, for example, is only on hold because of the unstable security situation. The invitation to Adnan Pachaci, the very patrician Sunni leader, is also part of this effort.
11-24-2003, 06:26 AM
<b>UN vote on self-determination a setback for Pakistan</b>?
By Khalid Hasan WASHINGTON: The resolution on the ârealisation of the right of self-determinationâ adopted by a vote on November 20 by the United Nations General Assembly is being viewed as a setback to Pakistan because in the past the same resolution that Pakistan moves every year had been adopted by consensus. <b>This year, it was India which called for a vote. The results came as a shock to Pakistan because out of total of 191 UN members, only 88 voted in favour of the resolution with India, Bhutan and Mauritius voting against. Four out of the five permanent members of the Security Council abstained.</b> A Pakistan diplomat who did not wish to be identified told Daily Times, âThis resolution had been our creation and was adopted for years through consensus and without a vote. It used to be a genuine moral victory for Pakistan. This year, for whatever reason, India called for a vote, and the end result has been a major setback not only to the very concept of self-determination, a cardinal principal of the UN Charter, but also to our own stated cause. This vote has grave symbolic importance. The principle of self-determination has lost the traditional consensus support it always enjoyed, having received less than 50 percent of the UN votes in favour while the overwhelming majority of member states abstained or deliberately absented themselves only because the resolution was viewed largely in the context of India-Pakistan relations. In fact, some countries even withdrew their co-sponsorship of the draft resolution because they felt the prevailing context of the solution was not âappropriateâ, nor within the spirit of the universal principal of the right of self-determination. I feel deeply disturbed at this development because it has weakened the moral weight of a concept that Pakistan has always used in support of its position on Kashmir.â The resolution opposes military intervention and occupation that are threatening to suppress, the right to self-determination of peoples and nations and declares opposition to acts of foreign military intervention, aggression and occupation, calling upon those states responsible to cease immediately their military intervention in and occupation of foreign countries and territories. Many speakers said during the debate that it appeared that the universal principle of self-determination had been used to refer to the specific situation between India and Pakistan. Believing that the context that had prevailed was not appropriate or within the spirit of the universal principle of the right to self-determination, some delegations, including Benin, Dominican Republic, Kenya, Botswana and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines withdrew their co-sponsorship of the draft resolution. <b>Explaining his vote, the representative of India said that the statement made by the main sponsor Pakistan had challenged the unity and territorial integrity of India. The right to self-determination must not be construed to condone any action that would disrupt or threaten the territorial integrity of a state. India would oppose any attempts to misuse the principle of the right to self-determination for ulterior motives.</b> The representative of Pakistan expressed his gratitude to all delegations that had reaffirmed their commitment to the principle of self-determination. A vote for this principle was not a vote in favour of any specific issues it was a vote for the principle of self-determination a principle central to the United Nations Charter, he added. The representative of India, explaining his vote, said that some of the references made by Pakistan on behalf of the co-sponsors, challenged and threatened the territorial integrity of India. It was therefore clear that for Pakistan the universal right of people to self-determination was a mere excuse to pursue its own political agenda. He said the draft was selective and unbalanced and did not deal with the right to self-determination in its entirety and any attempt aimed at the disruption of the territorial integrity of a nation State went against the purpose and principles of the Charter. The right to self-determinations implied free elections, democracy, equality, secularism and the rule of law, he said. The Pakistani people had been deprived of those rights for most of their history. The Government of Pakistan must therefore ensure the right to self-determination to its own people, before tabling resolutions on the universal right to self-determination. The representative of India would therefore vote against the draft resolution. The Pakistani representative said that the draft resolution was unacceptable to India; however, India had joined the consensus on the text for several years in a row. This represented new thinking in New Delhi, and one must wonder what the causes were for this change. When a territoryâs final status was to be determined through the exercise of the right to self-determination through a United Nations plebiscite, it could not be described as an integral part of a State. It was a disputed territory, he said. Both India and Pakistan had emerged as sovereign States through the right of self-determination, he said. He reserved the right to respond to the gratuitous remarks made about the Government of Pakistan and stressed that a Government made up of fascists and fanatics had no right to criticise any other Government. The representative of Pakistan said a vote for this principle was not a vote in favour of any issue; it was a vote for the principle involved, a principle central to the United Nations Charter and the basis for the existence of the United Nations. It was not Pakistanâs intention to introduce controversy or polemics with India in the context of the resolution. Pakistan had introduced this resolution for almost one dozen years. He said it was a matter of record that over the years, Pakistan had mentioned Palestine, Namibia and also Kashmir in its statements related to the resolution. What happened this year was that the context had been changed, and polemics introduced by India. What changed was that India felt it could bully the United Nations and bully Pakistan into halting its advocacy of the cause of Kashmir. Pakistan would continue to support Kashmir, whether other delegations supported it or not. He noted that 80,000 Kashmiris had been killed by the Indian army and thousands of others had been maimed and women raped. Kashmir was a disputed territory, wherein the Security Council had determined that people must be given the right to choose their destiny, as to whether to be a part of India or Pakistan. The territory of Kashmir shown on the map of the United Nations was disputed territory; it was not part of India and would never be a part of India. The people of a disputed territory should not be denied its right to self-determination. Those who voted in favour of the resolution were: Albania, Algeria, Angola, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cameroon, Canada, Cape Verde, Chile, China, Comoros, Congo, Costa Rica, Croatia, Cuba, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Guatemala, Honduras, Iran, Ireland, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Mali, Mauritania, Mexico, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Qatar, Republic of Korea, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Somalia, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Syria, Thailand, Togo, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, Uruguay, Venezuela, Viet Nam, Yemen. Those who voted against were: Bhutan, India, Mauritius and those who abstained were: Andorra, Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Botswana, Cambodia, Colombia, Côte dâIvoire, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Democratic Peopleâs Republic of Korea, Denmark, Estonia, Federated States of Micronesia, Finland, France, Gabon, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Guyana, Hungary, Iceland, Indonesia, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Latvia, Lesotho, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Madagascar, Malawi, Malta, Monaco, Namibia, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Republic of Moldova, Romania, Russian Federation, Rwanda, San Marino, Senegal, Serbia and Montenegro, Sierra Leone, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sweden, Switzerland, Tajikistan, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Uganda, United Kingdom, United Republic of Tanzania, United States. The following were absent: Afghanistan, Belarus, Central African Republic, Chad, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Equatorial Guinea, Fiji, Gambia, Grenada, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Iraq, Kiribati, Lao Peopleâs Democratic Republic, Liberia, Maldives, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Nepal, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Sao Tome and Principe, Seychelles, Solomon Islands, Timor-Leste, Tonga, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Zambia, Zimbabwe.
11-25-2003, 07:34 AM
<b>Europeans are worse than cockroaches</b>
There is a Cold War between the US and the EU, says Mark Steyn, and it will end with the collapse of Old Europe New Hampshire Hereâs a round-up of recent items from the worldâs press you may have missed: Item 1: In the last two weeks, two Toronto-bound El Al flights had to be diverted to other airports after credible terrorist threats were made about using surface-to-air missiles against them. The Canadian transport minister, David Collenette, responded by suggesting that the Israeli airlineâs service to Pearson International Airport might be ended. Item 2: The Baghdad hotel in which Paul Wolfowitz was staying was blown up. Several people were killed, though the US deputy defence secretary emerged unscathed. Much of the death and destruction was caused by French 68mm missiles âin pristine conditionâ, according to one US officer who inspected the rocket tubes and assembly. In other words, theyâre not rusty leftovers Saddam had lying around from the 1980s. The Baathist dictatorship had acquired these missiles from the French rather more recently. Item 3: According to Le Nouvel Observateur, âDâaprès un questionnaire de la Commission Européenne, 59% des Européens pensent quâIsraël est le pays le plus menaçant pour la paix dans le monde.â Item 4: In the Guardian, Tariq Ali ended this weekâs column on the mounting American (and NGO) death toll in Iraq thus: âIraqis have one thing of which they can be proud and of which British and US citizens should be envious: an oppositionâ. On 11 September 2001, I wrote that one of the casualties of the dayâs events would be the Western alliance: âThe US taxpayerâs willingness to pay for the defence of Canada and Europe has contributed to the decay of Americaâs so-called âalliesâ, freeing them to disband their armed forces, flirt with dictators and gangster states, and essentially convert themselves to semi-non-aligned.â âThe Westâ was an obsolete concept, because, as I put it later that month, for everyone but America âthe free world is mostly a free rideâ. Two years on, most governments, at least officially, and most commentators, at least in the mainstream press, still donât believe the relationship between America and its âalliesâ is in a terminal state. But the above quartet of stories â and you can find equivalent items any week â illustrates why it canât be put back together. One: Mr Collenetteâs response to terrorists is to take it out on their targets. Terrorists are threatening to use SAMs against El Al? No problem, weâll get rid of El Al. Thatâs a great message to send. How soon before similar threats are phoned in to similarly jelly-spined jurisdictions in Europe? Pretty soon El Al wonât be flying anywhere. But no matter: Air Canada and Air France and Lufthansa will still be flying to Tel Aviv â at least until a couple of anonymous phone calls are made hinting at fresh targets. The threats against El Al came via phone calls from the Toronto area from terrorists claiming to have heat-seeking missiles. Police subsequently found a cache of weapons including a German-made shoulder rocket launcher that was smuggled into Canada through the ingenious method of dropping it in the mail and letting the Post Office deliver it. So there are two approaches to this problem: you can crack down on Toronto-based terrorist cells and try to get government agencies not to deliver their rocket launchers; or you can ban El Al. Mr Collenette inclines to the latter. This is a man, by the way, who marked the first anniversary of 11 September by publicly regretting the fall of the Soviet Union because now there is nobody to check Americaâs âbullyingâ. Lesson: In the war on terror, the United States believes in pre-emption; Canada, like many other âalliesâ, believes in pre-emptive surrender. These two strategies are incompatible. Two: Just suppose that one of those French rockets had killed Paul Wolfowitz. One of the greatest fictions of the interminable debate on Euro-American differences over Iraq is that itâs an argument about the means, not the end. If only Bush had been a little less Texan, less arrogant, less bullying, if only heâd been less impatient and willing to put in the hours, he could have brought the French and Germans round. After all, everyone agrees Saddam Hussein is a very bad man. Not the French and Germans. Thereâs too much evidence suggesting the main reason they were unable to join the Bush side in this war is that theyâd already signed on to the other team and theyâd decided, in the sort of ghastly vernacular the cretinous Yanks would use, to dance with them what brung you. Theyâre being admirably consistent about this: at the recent Madrid conference France and Germany both refused to pony up one single euro to Iraqi reconstruction. It was never about the means, only the end. Lesson: America and âOld Europeâ have different objectives in Iraq, and those objectives are incompatible. Three: 59 per cent of Europeans think Israel is the biggest threat to world peace. Only 59 per cent? Whatâs wrong with the rest of you? But, hey, donât worry. In Britain, itâs 60 per cent; Germany, 65 per cent; Austria, 69 per cent; the Netherlands, 74 per cent. The good news is that Israel wonât be a threat to world peace much longer, at least not if Iranâs nuclear programme carries on running rings around the International Atomic Energy Agency and the ayatollahs fulfil their pledge to solve the problem of the Zionist Entity once and for all. Let us leave for another day the question of whether Israel is actually a bigger global menace than North Korea, which has hung a big shingle on the street saying âNukes? We Got âEm! And You Wonât Believe Our Prices!â The fact is that 11 September bound America to Israel in ways that oblige Washington to regard European distaste for Jews as more than a mere social faux pas. Given the rate of Islamic immigration to Europe, those anti-Israeli numbers are heading in only one direction. At present demographic rates, by 2020 the majority of children in Holland â i.e., the population under 18 â will be Muslim. What do you figure that 74 per cent will be up to by then? Eighty-five per cent? Ninety-six per cent? If Americans think itâs difficult getting the Continentals on side now, wait another decade. In that sense, the Israelis are the canaries in the coalmine. Lesson: Americaâs and Europeâs world views have diverged significantly, and those world views are now incompatible. Four: Tariq Ali may not be the most representative political commentator, but itâs still quite something to find the house journal of the United Kingdomâs leftie establishment printing the assertion that Americans and Britons can only envy the vigour of the Iraqi âoppositionâ. So thatâs what Iain Duncan Smith was doing wrong! He should have been loading up ambulances with rockets and firing them into hospitals. Thatâs the way to draw attention to the problems of the NHS. The other day I accidentally referred to Tariq Ali as Tariq Aziz and within minutes had a little flurry of emails from correspondents sneering that evidently all these guys sound alike to me. Well, I wouldnât say that. But Tariq Ali and Tariq Aziz are sounding very much alike. In fact, T. Ali sounds more Baathist than T. Aziz these days. When I was in the Sunni Triangle, I met many Iraqis who were grateful to the Americans; some who wanted a more visible US presence on the ground, a few who resented the infidel occupier â but not one who was as gung-ho for the Saddamite holdouts and Syrian and Iranian opportunists as Tariq Ali. For him, and for Mr Collenette, and for Goran Persson and Nelson Mandela and many many others, even on 11 September, the issue was never terrorism; the issue was always America. Lesson: Washington and Europe do not agree on the problem, so theyâre hardly likely to agree on the solution. Tariq and co. are right to this extent: in the scheme of things, itâs not about Islamic terrorism. The Islamist goal is a planet on which their enemies are either dead or Muslim converts. Thatâs not going to happen. But Islamism is sufficiently disruptive to rupture permanently the old âWestern allianceâ. A lot of things have been said on both sides, but whatâs impressive about the Europeans is the palpable desire for America to fail, and Bush to fall. I canât see that happening. On election day next November, the Democrats have no chance of taking back the House of Representatives and theyâre all but certain to lose seats in the Senate. Bush is likely to be re-elected: with that 7.2 per cent growth in GDP, itâs hard even for the BBC to keep pretending Americaâs in the middle of some sort of recession; and whatever happens in Iraq itâs difficult to see the Democrats, running on a foreign policy of Cut & Run, being the beneficiaries. But the trouble with a war on terror is that the victories go unreported â the plotters who get foiled, the bombers who donât make it through. All you hear about are the defeats. Letâs say thereâs a terrorist attack in the US in the next 12 months and it kills several hundred people. On the one hand, you could argue that this shows the soundness of Bushâs judgment in making terrorism the priority of his administration. On the other, you could argue that this proves he never learnt the lessons of the failures of 11 September. Knowing the American media, Iâd bet on the latter line being the one they settle on. But other than that, the arguments over the next few years are going to be between conservatives â between those who think it is worth pushing on with an ambitious programme to bring the Middle East within the non-deranged world, and those who figure thatâs doomed to fail and we should settle for something less. This project is in the national interest of the United States but, in the end, the fate of the worldâs hyperpower does not hinge on it. Now letâs turn back to Europe. The Telegraphâs Adam Nicolson got irritated the other day because Denis Boyles of Americaâs National Review had dismissed the Europeans as âcockroachesâ. Boyles is wrong. The Europeans are not cockroaches. The cockroach is the one creature you can rely on to come crawling out of the rubble of the nuclear holocaust. Whereas the one thing that can be said with absolute confidence is that the Europeans will not emerge from under their own rubble. Europe is dying. As Iâve pointed out here before, it canât square rising welfare costs, a collapsed birthrate and a manpower dependent on the worldâs least skilled, least assimilable immigrants. In 20 yearsâ time, as those Dutch Muslim teenagers are entering the voting booths, European countries, unlike parts of Nigeria, will not be living under Sharia, but they will be reaching their accommodations with their radicalised Islamic compatriots, who like many intolerant types are expert at exploiting the âtoleranceâ of pluralist societies. How happy whatâs left of the ethnic Dutch or French or Danes will be about this remains to be seen. But the idea of a childless Europe rivalling America militarily or economically is laughable. Sometime this century there will be 500 million Americans, and whatâs left in Europe will either be very old or very Muslim. Thatâs the Europe that Britain will be binding its fate to. Japan faces the same problem: in 2006, its population will begin an absolute decline, a death spiral it will be unlikely ever to climb out of. Will Japan be an economic powerhouse if itâs populated by Koreans and Filipinos? Possibly. Will Germany if itâs populated by Algerians? Thatâs a trickier proposition. Last Sunday, recalling the USâSoviet summits that helped âease the tensions of the Cold Warâ, the New York Timesâs Thomas Friedman proposed we hold regular US-Franco-German summits. Implicit in that analysis is the assumption that France and perhaps other Continental countries now exist in a quasi-Cold War with America. If thatâs so, the trick is to manage the relationship until the Europeans, like the Soviets, collapse. Europe is dying, and itâs only a question of whether it goes peacefully or through convulsions of violence. On that point, I bet on form.
Billig, Michael. Banal Nationalism. London: Sage Publications, 1995.
(extracts) --------------------------- "... there is something misleading about this accepted use of the word `nationalism'. It always seems to locate nationalism on the periphery. Separatists are often to be found in the outer regions of states; the extremists lurk on the margins of political life in established democracies, usually shunned by the sensible politicians of the centre. The guerrilla figures, seeking to establish their new homelands, operate in conditions where existing structures of state have collapsed, typically at a distance from the established centres of the West. From the perspective of Paris, peripherally placed on the edge of Europe. All these factors combine to make nationalism not merely an exotic force, but a peripheral one. In consequence, those in established nations â at the centre of things â are led to see nationalism as the property of others, not of `us'. "This is where the accepted view becomes misleading: it overlooks the nationalism of the West's nation-states. In a world of nation- states, nationalism cannot be confined to the peripheries. That might be conceded, but still it might be objected that nationalism only strikes the established nation-states on special occasions. Crises, such as the Falklands or Gulf Wars, infect a sore spot, causing bodily fevers: the symptoms are an inflamed rhetoric and an outbreak of ensigns. But the irruption soon dies down; the temperature passes; the flags are rolled up; and, then, it is business as usual." (p. 5) --------------------------- "... the term banal nationalism is introduced to cover the ideological habits which enable the established nations of the West to be reproduced. It is argued that these habits are not removed from everyday life, as some observers have supposed. Daily, the nation is indicated, or `flagged', in the lives of its citizenry. Nationalism, far from being an intermittent mood in established nations, is the endemic condition." (p.6) --------------------------- "The central thesis of the present book is that, in the established nations, there is a continual `flagging', or reminding, of nationhood. The established nations are those states that have confidence in their own continuity, and that, particularly, are part of what is conventionally described as `the West'. The political leaders of such nations â whether France, the USA, the United Kingdom or New Zealand â are not typically termed `nationalists'. However, as will be suggested, nationhood provides a continual background for their political discourses, for cultural products, and even for the structuring of newspapers. In so many little ways, the citizenry are daily reminded of their national place in a world of nations. However, this reminding is so familiar, so continual, that it is not consciously registered as reminding. The metonymic image of banal nationalism is not a flag which is being consciously waved with fervent passion; it is the flag hanging unnoticed on the public building. "National identity embraces all these forgotten reminders. Consequently, an identity is to be found in the embodied habits of social life. Such habits include those of thinking and using language. To have a national identity is to possess ways of talking about nationhood. As a number of critical social psychologists have been emphasizing, the social psychological study of identity should involve the detailed study of discourseâ¦. Having a national identity also involves being situated physically, legally, socially, as well as emotionally: typically, it means being situated within a homeland, which itself is situated within the world of nations. And, only if people believe that they have national identities, will such homelands, and the world of national homelands, be reproduced. "In many ways, this book itself aims to be a reminder. Because the concept of nationalism has been restricted to exotic and passionate exemplars, the routine and familiar forms of nationalism have been overlooked. In this case, `our' daily nationalism slips from attention. There is a growing body of opinion that nation-states are declining. Nationalism, or so it is said, is no longer a major force: globalization is the order of the day. But a reminder is necessary. Nationhood is still being reproduced: it can still call for ultimate sacrifices; and, daily, its symbols and assumptions are flagged." (pp.8-9) ---------------------------------------------------------------------
11-27-2003, 06:44 AM
http://www.opendemocracy.net/themes/article-3-1566.jsp
The political psychology of Hindu nationalism Rajeev Bhargava 5 - 11 - 2003 Why does Hindu nationalism take an aggressive, exclusive form? This is a question of psychology as well as politics. Rajeev Bhargava, in New Delhi, examines the worldview of activists who use âIndiannessâ as a weapon against their Muslim, Christian, and secular fellow-citizens. Hindu nationalists think of themselves as a large Indian joint family, a parivar. And perhaps rightly so, for they are propelled by a family of closely-related ideas and, put together, all their networks and organisations constitute an enormous right-wing platform, a massive arena that showcases all known varieties of illiberalisms. The movement brings together fundamentalists, traditionalists, anti-modernists, and right-wing conservatives who covet a form of modernisation radically different from the one begun by secular humanists such as Jawaharlal Nehru. Under its wings, there are proponents of old-fashioned terrorism, authoritarianism and fascism packed closely together with those who reluctantly submit to the constraints set by representative democracy. Present in the movement are people with a rigidly hierarchical cast of mind who fail to shed their strong upper-caste leanings as well as half-hearted egalitarians who, for strategic reasons, grudgingly include the lower castes within their fold.
11-28-2003, 12:50 AM
West(specially UK) feels more convenient with congress.id on't know why......maybe bcoz congress is anti-hindu and west don't like hindu or vedic culture to survive on earth.
But since its kaliyuga i don't see that our culture will become more global but only thing to happen is more oppression of vedas and our culture.it will last till end of this yuga....so why we are worry so much?...instead find out when is actual end of yuga and till then chat hare krishna.. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
12-02-2003, 01:21 AM
12-05-2003, 06:58 AM
Anti war groups of Australia on their web site www.agitprop.org.au compiled a informative analysis regarding the current round of Indo-American relations in Asia.
âOnly the most naive would buy the idea -- advanced in the speeches of Indian and US leaders -- that the reason for the US's newfound interest is India's increased importance as a world power. India's economy is less than one-twentieth the size of the US's, and its entire Gross Domestic Product is just about the size of the US trade deficit. Its official military budget is $13 billion or so, compared to the US's $379 billion. The object of recent moves by the US is not Indo-US 'partnership', but advancing US interests, using India as a strategic pawn. In the words of US ambassador Robert Blackwill, "President Bush vigorously pursues strategic relations with India because a powerful India will advance American democratic values [sic] and vital US national interests in the decade ahead". Jim Hoagland wrote in the Washington Post that "There is new thinking about nuclear doctrine, and India, at the White House. Bush intends to end the sanctions in a matter of months, according to aides, and wants a new strategic relationship with India." ("Rethinking Asia in India's Favour", 1/7/01) In other words, the Indian nuclear program has become a part of the US strategic architecture for this region. âThe integration of India into US military targeting of China will increase the risk of war for the Indian people, since China will surely respond by targeting India as the US's beachhead in the region. Against such a response by China, the Indian rulers -- for all their talk of being a 'major power' -- would simply seek refuge under the American umbrella. The Vajpayee government not only endorsed the US's widely condemned 'missile defense' programme, but is clearly hoping to be brought under its protection. Hoagland wrote in July 1991 that "China noticed Bush's unusually warm welcome of Indian Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh for an Oval Office chat about missile defense in April. Since then, India has been more supportive of Bush's [missile defense] plans than all but one or two of America's European allies.... China, however, sees the Bush strategic defense plan as aimed specifically at neutralizing its small but growing nuclear arsenal. A significant warming of U.S.-Indian ties, powered by conceptual agreement on missile defense, could cause the Chinese to expand and accelerate their nuclear upgrades, to poke at India through help to Pakistan and take risks that have not been well calculated." âIn the face of a US on the offensive, a US-India axis and a missile shield, China might follow the course similar to that followed by the USSR in the 1980s -- namely, building up a much larger force of nuclear missiles in order to penetrate the missile shield in different places, including over India. The Americans are well aware that such a programme would be enormously expensive, and would strain China's economic strength; indeed, that is one of their objectives. The Indian public, however, is unaware that it is being thrust into this dangerous strategic chess-game by its rulersâ. This game of artition will drain the Indian resources also to buy expensive military gadgets costing billions of dollars thus bringing the weapons making nations (US Britain, Russia, France Israel) come out of recession than developing Indian infrastructure and eventually plunging India in to a debt trap.
12-05-2003, 08:03 AM
I didn't find the smiley with two thumbs down ..
What's up with the AUSSIES ???? <!--emo&:thumbdown--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif' /><!--endemo--> <b>We join Star Wars program</b> http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/st...255E662,00.html For years, Australia has been involved in monitoring missile launches via satellite through the top-secret US ground station at Pine Gap, near Alice Springs. Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer said the system was defensive and designed to dissuade countries from developing ballistic missiles. <b>He said several countries in unstable regions were developing longer range missiles with weapons of mass destruction capability. They include North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, India and China.</b>
12-06-2003, 01:12 AM
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âIn the face of a US on the offensive, a US-India axis and a missile shield, China might follow the course similar to that followed by the USSR in the 1980s -- namely, building up a much larger force of nuclear missiles in order to penetrate the missile shield in different places, including over India. The Americans are well aware that such a programme would be enormously expensive, and would strain China's economic strength; indeed, that is one of their objectives. The Indian public, however, is unaware that it is being thrust into this dangerous strategic chess-game by its rulersâ. This game of artition will drain the Indian resources also to buy expensive military gadgets costing billions of dollars thus bringing the weapons making nations (US Britain, Russia, France Israel) come out of recession than developing Indian infrastructure and eventually plunging India in to a debt trap. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Acharya, that is exactly on the spot! Graduate Thats the same reason why i appose Indian-US defence ties.But helll, our politicians are not mature enough to understand washigton's game. in the end india,china will end up with all messed up.Washigton will be laughing at other end 10,000 miles away at end of this century around 2091. (Bejan daruwalla has predicted a big WAR between india & china in 2091) evil west will spring back at end of this century with destruction of two great cultures in india <!--emo&:unsure:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='unsure.gif' /><!--endemo--> [already due to lack of awareness in indian leaders about strategic games in world we have lost most of things till 1997 which include kashmir problem(due to british game which neharu failed to understand),loss of 1/3 kashmir,late nukes test) and now this game] India has 3 options -> 1)choose china as closer ally or friend or business partner(its impossible due to lack of contacts between chinese and indian community) 2)choose US as strategic ally(i think we did this suicide already by leaning towards US and also showing hasty interest in missile defense program <!--emo&:thumbdown--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) 3)be neutral and treat both as per our needs on case by case basis(WE are too late to think over this BEST OPTION. We are doing same mistake again which we did in 1965 of ignoring China angle. When our think tanks think about weapons deals with US(not Israel) they ignore what impact it will have on china-india equations in ASIA.This is a mistake. We must INCREASE military co-operation with china.We must MAKE clear to US we are no way going to compete with china in defense modernisation. CHINA will do modernisation bcoz it feels un-secure from WEST.By making defense deals with WEST we are making india-china relations more BAD. A TIP from me : in long term,friendship with china is better and safer than with West.Bcoz west is noone's friend,never be.While china can become our best friend bcoz 1)we are neighbours 2)we don't have any old rivalry.If there is anything then its border problems which are not any big issues. 3)as far as china's help to pak is concerned it is bcoz china feels india is going closer US and feels in-secure.And india is ONLY INCREASING their feeling by going close and closer to US. IF china is given assurance they are secure from our side then pukki-support will get narrow year by year.(don't expect close-up bcoz china also need weapons market as pukki). 4)A powerfull neighbour in Asia as india's close friend.WHAT can be better thing for india(and most destructing thing for WEST)?......just imagine two biggest economies of world as close friends and neighbour too!!!(so they can fight together with any enemy of them in world!!) 5)Noone in the world(including US,brits) can think of attacking india or china due to this DEADLY combination of 2.5 billion people of ASIA! (this is the main reason why US is always un-easy when indian PM visits china). 6)If you agree with above 5 points then you will agree with me that washigton will DO EVERYTHING in his power and reach to avoid closer india-china relations.US may offer defense missile,phalcon(already did...a mess,it infuriated our neighbour .......what can be worse THING that can happen to two neighbours in ASIA.....WEST must be laughing how they succeded again keeping DEADLY combination away from meeting... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) Another mess was joint military excercises.Our leaders AGAIN neglected strategic consequences of this act in regard with china-india relations.AGAIN WEST is laughing.....they succeded. <i><b> One more thing i forgot is that in this game Greatest Victory of West will be lowering the heat between india-RUSSIA relations by PUSHING more modern and latest weapons from ISrael or directly(HTCG-agreement) with India.Reaction of this will be increased HEAT of relations(defense deals) between CHINA and RUSSIA(they simply need money....so won't mind selling large stuffs...carriers,submarines...updation) to counter the heat between india and US. </b></i> so guys think again,who we should go closer with.....having 2 million NRI community in US and more business ties is not enough reason to invite bigger mess and miss more healthy ties(india-china)as it can be superpower of asia which west never wanna see. MY FINAL WORDS ARE, <b><i>The Divide And Rule that Brits played with indian kings to rule India some centuries ago,today The Same Game WEST is playing with CHINA and India </b></i> expect more defense deals from west in coming days... <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> that was my assesment of things.....maybe right.. <b> my suggestion : make realtions with all of our neighbours better first before dealing or running for WEST.bocz,it only our neighbour which matches in culture with us not the greedy West. </b> thanks.
Vishal wishful thinking by you !!! Perhaps that is what Nehru thought 50 years ago. Only think is that the Chinese proved to be the wrong neighbours for India. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->India has 3 options -> 1)choose china as closer ally or friend or business partner(its impossible due to lack of contacts between chinese and indian community) 2)choose US as strategic ally(i think we did this suicide already by leaning towards US and also showing hasty interest in missile defense program ) 3)be neutral and treat both as per our needs on case by case basis(WE are too late to think over this BEST OPTION. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Option 1 and 3 suits Chinese ambitions pretty well. But they will not serve Indian interests. You can't remain neutral in this game. Either you play and survive or you get played over and surrender. You have to be a player, or else you will be outplayed by everyone, both the west and the Chinese or perhaps both. Is that what you are sugesting ? I have posted a link in the clash of civilizations thread. Please read it carefully, before you comment on Indian strategists. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->We are doing same mistake again which we did in 1965 of ignoring China angle. When our think tanks think about weapons deals with US(not Israel) they ignore what impact it will have on china-india equations in ASIA.This is a mistake. We must INCREASE military co-operation with china.We must MAKE clear to US we are no way going to compete with china in defense modernisation. CHINA will do modernisation bcoz it feels un-secure from WEST.By making defense deals with WEST we are making india-china relations more BAD. A TIP from me : in long term,friendship with china is better and safer than with West. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> After having experienced 1961, if you still advise the Indians to trust and side with the Chinese would be like keeping your head safe under the Chinese gun pointed at your head. Chinese like Pakistanis and NKoreans and might call them as their allies, because they do almost everything they tell them to do. What I mean is that Chinese need slaves or would like to use you like a condom, without any greater freedom to their allies. Pakis and NKoreans will pay first for the mistake of joining hands with teh Chinese. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Bcoz west is noone's friend,never be.While china can become our best friend bcoz 1)we are neighbours 2)we don't have any old rivalry.If there is anything then its border problems which are not any big issues. 3)as far as china's help to pak is concerned it is bcoz china feels india is going closer US and feels in-secure.And india is ONLY INCREASING their feeling by going close and closer to US. IF china is given assurance they are secure from our side then pukki-support will get narrow year by year.(don't expect close-up bcoz china also need weapons market as pukki). 4)A powerfull neighbour in Asia as india's close friend.WHAT can be better thing for india(and most destructing thing for WEST)?......just imagine two biggest economies of world as close friends and neighbour too!!!(so they can fight together with any enemy of them in world!!) 5)Noone in the world(including US,brits) can think of attacking india or china due to this DEADLY combination of 2.5 billion people of ASIA! (this is the main reason why US is always un-easy when indian PM visits china). 6)If you agree with above 5 points then you will agree with me that washigton will DO EVERYTHING in his power and reach to avoid closer india-china relations. US may offer defense missile,phalcon(already did...a mess,it infuriated our neighbour .......what can be worse THING that can happen to two neighbours in ASIA.....WEST must be laughing how they succeded again keeping DEADLY combination away from meeting... ) <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> All the reasons given here come out of naivity and ignorance of the relationship of India with China. Perfect defeatist analogy and thinking with no vision for India, but doing everything not to offend the Chinese even if it is not in Indian interests. Let me Xplain .... Point #1 Chinese being neighbour. Doesn't make them our ally. Being neighbour doesn't qualify them to dictate terms on India. Infact a militarily strong nation taht is suspicious about India dealing with the west, is a threat to India. Point #2 Have you heard or Taimur and Cheingis Khan and what did their dynasty do to India ? Do you know Taimur's roots ? Do you know that there are more than millions of innocent Tibetian refugees living in India ? Do you know that China occupies and or claims more than 125,000 SQ Kms of Indian land apart from making Tibet an enemy land for India ? Do you think that since India wants to partner China, the Chinese will not give nukes to Pakistan ? Don't be naive and think like a defeatist or a child. In this era, Darwinism prevails. That's is the fitter will survive. If your aim is not to compete and play the games you will be outplayed and out smarted by everyone since you will remain the weak link and also since you are not in the game you will never understad the dynamics and the intencity of the game. You must talk to Chola on BRF. I think you missed his points. Point#3 is utter garbage ... Why should Indian foreign policies be held hostage to China ? Why should India keep the US and the west away from India, just because it bothers the Chinese ? What will India get in return from China ? WHY should China gets concerned by our relationship with the west be it US or UK or anyone else for that matter of fact ? WHY do you want India to act based on what the Chinese concerns DICTATE, unless you are a Chinese stooge ? Why ???? Don't you know that India is a independent nation and can and should act independent of its bullying neighbours and address its concerns ? Point #4 Tell your Chinese bosses that it takes two for a tango, and 1961 has created such a great distrust that Chinese will have to do more to erase the BAD memories. The memories of 1961 can not and will not be erased if Chinese keep funding the paki army and giving them the WMDs and missiles. Point #5 Day dreaming. Believing China is as good as loosing the game at the very begining. If you can not think of any more moves to counter the Chinese mminent threats to India, you must form a team who can think of new moves and play your cards. That's the reason a dynastic rule is not good for any nation. Because one families thinkings are imposed on to the nation of a Billion people. Point #6 I am not amused. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> Another mess was joint military excercises.Our leaders AGAIN neglected strategic consequences of this act in regard with china-india relations.AGAIN WEST is laughing.....they succeded. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Should India care who is laughing and who is not ? <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One more thing i forgot is that in this game Greatest Victory of West will be lowering the heat between india-RUSSIA relations by PUSHING more modern and latest weapons from ISrael or directly(HTCG-agreement) with India. Reaction of this will be increased HEAT of relations(defense deals) between CHINA and RUSSIA(they simply need money....so won't mind selling large stuffs...carriers,submarines...updation) to counter the heat between india and US.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> What makes you think that Russia will not sell China more weapons if India doesn't buy weapons from Israel or the west ? <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->so guys think again,who we should go closer with.....having 2 million NRI community in US and more business ties is not enough reason to invite bigger mess and miss more healthy ties(india-china)as it can be superpower of asia which west never wanna see.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why should China think that India dealing with the west is bad fo them, unless they are suspicious about India? If they are suspicious about India, how can Indians be their allies ? <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->MY FINAL WORDS ARE, The Divide And Rule that Brits played with indian kings to rule India some centuries ago,today The Same Game WEST is playing with CHINA and India expect more defense deals from west in coming days... that was my assesment of things.....maybe right.. my suggestion : make realtions with all of our neighbours better first before dealing or running for WEST.bocz,it only our neighbour which matches in culture with us not the greedy West. thanks.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> The mistake Indians did in the past was that they fought among themselves and were not uinted, but now we are united. In the past we didn't give much attention to arm ourself to defend India, but now we must and we are moving in the right direction. India should concentrate on enhancing and strengthening both its economy and military. Development of only one is not going to help India. We must strike a balance and form appropriate alliance to counter our immediate threats which comes from Pakistan, BD and China.
12-06-2003, 02:35 AM
muddur,
that was clear and gr9 explanation, opened my EYES <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> (areee.....bilkul dho dala re <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) thanks Graduate <!--emo&:cool--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/specool.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='specool.gif' /><!--endemo--> from what you said i learnt that now we have 2 options : 1)sit on our as* and lets see how to solve corruption,un-employment,reservation policies,pension,terrorists under dynasty rule. 2)gear up and go for all.get everything that we can get.maximise the efforts,become greedy about GDP B) ,make all 100+ billions indians educated or atleast all of them Graduate Graduate anything i missed? <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
12-08-2003, 11:58 PM
My thoughts-
New Year is just weeks away, World had changed lot for better or for worse this year. Coming years will be challenging for everyone on earth. This yearâs changes have long lasting effect on India. Roller coaster ride of <b>Indo-Pak </b>relationship will be interesting to watch next year, whether new love fest can last for one month. Indian PM will be visiting SAARC in Pakistan and as expected Pakistan dictator will come up with his stupid stunts. <b>Indo-China </b>relationship is improving because of common economic interest and China is worried about US cozy relationship with India. Trusting China will be biggest blunder for Indian Government, they should not ignore development on Brahmputra river, Arunachal Pradesh and support to terrorist in BanglaDesh , Burma. <b>Indo-SriLanka </b>â Sri lanka situation is now moving towards worse because of political unrest and LTTE is not happy with peace efforts. This will effect India coming year. I hope this situation will not drag India into Lanka mess. <b>Nepal</b> will be hotspot. US, India and China is directly involved and Pakistan is busy giving their moral support to Maoist. After resuming air link Pakistan will try to put more efforts to destabilize Nepal and create problems for India. <b>Indo US</b> relationship will be worth to watch. Looks like India will get involved in Iraq. Mainly, civilian role and will get drag in policing role also. Economically, election year will bring lot of legislation which will be good or bad for India. IT sector may see slow down. For a change <b>Israel </b>is without suicide attack for more than 5 weeks. Which means either US is able to put enough pressure on Palestine authority to stop attack on Israel or Israel raids inside occupied Palestine really worked or these terrorist and their operators are now busy in Iraq. Turmoil in House of <b>Saud </b> .
Vishal you need to educate yourself about indian foreign policy, past and present before commenting about things. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Your posts that we should get closer to china is quite amateurish <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
12-09-2003, 12:20 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->New Year is just weeks away, World had changed lot for better or for worse this year.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A little off topic .... any of you remember comments made by OBL in one of his tapes earlier in the year that this would be his last year and he's planning to 'go down' in the 'belly of the eagle'?
12-09-2003, 04:38 AM
OBL is not dead and still kicking, he may give surprise. It was really shocking to see video of 9/11 which was on some OBL cronies site and shown on TV two days back.
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