Radicalisation Of Indian Muslims

05-09-2006, 09:57 PM

Think this Khalid Azam who spouts bile about hindus while praising Saudis has the balls to take up the cause of this Indian lady? I doubt it.

Woman wants 80 lashes for Saudi boss?
QUOTEShehnaz Sani, a 53-year-old Indian national, having won the legal battle against the SAA in Bombay High Court, said on Monday that she had petitioned the Shariah Council at Jeddah last month in this regard. The victim has named six SAA officials as co-accused, besides the main accused.

She also demanded that the right hands and left legs of the six SAA officials, who allegedly refused to heed her initial complaint of harassment and tried to save the main accused, be cut off.

She has also demanded eighty lashes for each of them, according to the Islamic law.Â

<img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbup.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='thumbup.gif' /> for Sharia law in such cases.

05-10-2006, 02:53 PM

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Bharatvarsh · (This post was last modified: 05-10-2006, 04:52 PM by Bharatvarsh.)

Go learn how to atleast write in English that's understandable, I bet you are one of those losers that got tied up with a chain in front of the mullah 24 hours in a madrasah and like a mindless idiot spent your time reciting the worthless Quran, if you are from India then go to pakiland if you don't like it here, we will be happy to send you to your ummah brothers.

Atleast none of the our gods were not screwing 9 year old's when they were old enough to be their grandfather. You and your sick religion have caused enough damage to the world already.

05-10-2006, 06:31 PM

Aright so now I have to learn english. That was nice to hear. If it was not understandable that why on this earth your replying to it. Because I knew it hurted you on the spot which you never thought someone will ever tell you. But to heal yourself read again again again what I wrote. You wil see mirror of what you are.

No not at all I am a loser I am a Masters in education and nor even attainted any madrassa the thing is that the way you wrote on this whole forum is pity. If natinalism is hinduism that it is the BJP president who was caught on camera taking bribe. A bjp defence minster accused of making money through coffin sales, and what more you needed of example of nationalism. As of indian muslims you are talking about It is a muslim in the construction of india's prime armour tank arjun, arsenal prithvi missile.... Abdul phakir jainul kalam azad. Kallem mohammed the captain of indian tank division on western borders during 2 wars. Me myself is a NCC cadet. And you all patronise VHP the party which seeks pride in killing non hindus ( including christians). That is inhumane. And to reply blasphemic comment the big thing is that what you all have beleif on gods are all all stories written by a poet valmiki. ITS a stories. Story. you get me wat I am saying, Stories on which you beleive. On stones which u have faith on. which even cant be able to make ant off their face. And about damage to the world. I dont know how its been.

Sunder · 05-10-2006, 07:50 PM

Alerting admins about improper language and demeanour used in the forum by user km430. Calling for appropriate action.

km430, change your nick to your real name or real sounding name. Be coherrent in your points. Counter the allegations on Islam logically if you can, and refrain from derogatory remarks.

05-10-2006, 08:02 PM

K_Khan,May 10 2006, 07:57 PM Wrote:[quote=Sunder,May 10 2006, 07:50 PM]
Alerting admins about improper language and demeanour used in the forum by user km430. Calling for appropriate action.

km430, change your nick to your real name or real sounding name. Be coherrent in your points. Counter the allegations on Islam logically if you can, and refrain from derogatory remarks.
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Alright Nick name ???????

Watabout all these names Bharat varsh. utepian, mudy are alll these what you think real name. then I would like to know what nick name. And askin me to be coherent Didnt you think wat is posted here is blasphemous. Bashing muslims beleive only by a single post how Hurted u feel. UR.

And next admin is gonna ban me or cancel reg but it only means that you want all you only to post comment and as replies more appraisal and so on on on until you all feel elated that you are like germans. so carry on
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alright my name is now chanhed by admin it is now k_khan no worries. As u like take my full name obaid khan ok

Sunder · 05-10-2006, 08:16 PM

QUOTE(K_Khan @ May 10 2006, 08:02 PM)Watabout all these names Bharat varsh. utepian, mudy are alll these what you think real name. then I would like to knowÂ what nick name. And askin me to be coherent Didnt you think wat is posted here is blasphemous. Bashing muslims beleive only by a single post how Hurted u feel. UR.

And next admin is gonna ban me or cancel reg but it only means that you want all you only to post comment and as replies more appraisal and so on on on until you all feel elated that you are like germans. so carry on


Obaid Khan. You will not be banned as long as you put forth your views in a coherrent way instead of getting off on the wrong foot. You are free to share your views as long as you stick to normal levels of decency instead of coming off like a fanatic. The nicks you mention are either real names (Mudy is short form of a real name) and the others too are real or real-sounding names.

You find the posts here as blasphemous. I am sure the posts here are a manifestation of the frustrations that the world is going thru owing to the fanatical terrorism that is taking place in the name of Islamic Jehad. Millions of lives have been lost in the name of ONE religion. Thus the religion itself has earned a bad name. Can you manage to change this situation without personal attacks and physical attacks?

Can you tell us why Islamic clerics themselves are calling for violent Jehad? How this can be changed by muslms themselves?

05-10-2006, 08:17 PM

Khan sahib,

Adab janab and welcome to the forum.

QUOTESo hi to every one here, All bloody thwarted bigots.
Your very first sentence on this message board. Pretty much sums it up, no?

QUOTEAll muslim bashing on this page every where
Do you any bashing of President Abdul Kalam here? Or Sania Mirza? Or Havaldar Abdul Hamid (do you even know who he was?) Or muslims like Feroz Khan who are Indians first and muslims second? Heck, most here hate that <i>Hindu </i>Ambika Soni for not jumping to Khan's defense in Pakistan.
And I see you have conveniently chosen to ignore our posts crying for justice towards muslims like Immran or Shehnaz Sani, I wonder why? Selective pickings?

QUOTEso think peacefully the prosperity is in integrety not in other gujraat
You can parrot all you want about Gujarat, there's over 50 pages on this forum debunking your propoganda. Heard of Neille, Assam? More muslims were killed in one day than 6 Godhras' put together. This forum has repeatedly called for investigation and publication of the Tiwari commission findings which haven't been made public in over 20 years! I find it amusing that so called champions of muslims are busy with their heads in sand chanting "Gujarat, Gujarat" while the house is being looted from the front door.

Bharatvarsh · 05-10-2006, 08:22 PM

QUOTEAright so now I have to learn english. That was nice to hear. If it was not understandable that why on this earth your replying to it. Because I knew it hurted you on the spot which you never thought someone will ever tell you. But to heal yourself read again again again what I wrote. You wil see mirror of what you are. 
lol I don't get hurt or emotional or go crazy like Muslims do (notice how your brothers murdered Hindus in cold blood during the so called anti Bush protests) if someone questions my religion.

QUOTEIf natinalism is hinduism that it is the BJP president who was caught on camera taking bribe. A bjp defence minster accused of making money through coffin sales, and what more you needed of example of nationalism.
And your point is?, since when did BJP become a Hindu party, last I heard they claim to be secular in their manifesto and even have a so called minority cell in their party, if we go by this logic I can point out the fact that Muslim league has partitioned the country (with active support from Indian Muslims) and has been responsible for the genocide of millions of Hindus and Sikhs.

QUOTEAs of indian muslims you are talking about It is a muslim in the construction of india's prime armour tank arjun, arsenal prithvi missile.... Abdul phakir jainul kalam azad. Kallem mohammed the captain of indian tank division on western borders during 2 wars. Me myself is a NCC cadet. And you all patronise VHP the party which seeks pride in killing non hindus ( including christians). That is inhumane. And to reply blasphemic comment the big thing is that what you all have beleif on gods are all all stories written by a poet valmiki. ITS a stories. Story. you get me wat I am saying, Stories on which you beleive. On stones which u have faith on. which even cant be able to make ant off their face. And about damage to the world. I dont know how its been. 
According to Rafiq Zakaria (so called moderate Muslim) Abdul Kalam is not a true Muslim and neither are any Muslims in the Indian army because Islam does not sanction fighting with other Muslims on behalf of kaffirs, which is why Shah Waliullah felt no shame when inviting Abdali to invade India and destroy Hindus (and Sikhs), the ali brothers also felt no shame when they invited Afghans to invade India.

You prove that VHP seeks pride in killing Muslims and xtians, allegations without proof are not viable. On the otherhand I can clearly say that the Muslim league takes pride in killing non Muslims (just look at how they massacred Hindus and Sikhs during partition) and that the vatican takes pride in killing non christians (go read about the Goan Inquisition).

As for us believing in stories, well its better than believing in some Nazi like ideology (also known as religion of peace) and as for us having faith on stones, well I see Muslims go around kissing a black stone (also known as kaaba), hehe last I checked the Quran which Muslims have faith in got torn to pieces several times and I am pretty sure if we blast the kaaba it will also break into pieces, so first stop kissing stones and then you can lecture Hindus. You must be living in a dreamworld to not know what damage Islam has done to the world, let's see, it caused partition, the Bangla genocide and most recently something called 9/11.

05-10-2006, 09:58 PM

So you replied in systemetic manner.

and one post has been edited U got the keys I'll stay and knock ok.

I may not be able to reply all of your comments no b'coz that i cant but b'coz i dont have proof to speak on.

Bharat varsh gave a reference to rafiq zakaria about our honoured president. First of all one personal (as he is one identity and does not hold any post as a spokeman in any organisation ) comment can be judged as a whole statement to one's faith. Its his personal view on it. Come other day someone layman proclaim that Shankaracharya is a out of religion b'coz he is accused of conspirying in a murder. does that mean that his beloved follower will except it or take as granted no no. It is his personal view. And on the whole as of his family of respected abdul kalam azaad is a practicing muslim. sorry but I dont have that archive its in a indiatime paper of last ramzaan that he keeps fast all through the year.

And of my brother Muslim safeguarding the nation as part army. One should feel ashame even to popularise such a comment about a person who's loyality is a standard for us (jawan). And In islam it is clearly written that patriotism is a cumpulsory service part of Islam in quran If you want I'll let u know quran chapter and point where it is.

ok Bharat wants a proove for VHP enjoys killing muslim.
Stubborn arent u. VHP carries even fire arm training to its cadets. Its in a india today report of way back in 2002( cover story) and i personally have seen there training camps. And about killing muslim: all the accused areested in godhra pogrom were members of VHP. The bandh called out was of VHP and... In a recorded speech of pravin togadia shown on BBC channel 4 he calls out for to throw Muslims in Arabian sea as he want a Hindu rashtra or else accept Ram as a national hero to celebrate diwali. (throwing in sea naturally means killing).

And about bombing the sacred Kaaba and blackstone.

You should check out that kaaba was flooded several times with water even one of it wall was damaged. So Muslims have faith on ALLAH. Not in kaaba and black stone. My grand ma died without visiting Mecca. And she was pious muslim and she never ever visited any such sites. We muslim have faith on Eternal power and lord.not at all on blackstone its of historic imortance and thats it. same with kaaba.

Damage by muslims to world??????

If at all you read news you will know about american killing in Iraq, afghanistan, bosnia and gujraat(state sponsored).

every action got equal reaction it s not at all self developed.

And about Hindu. Why do u forget the 1984 anti sikh riots in which 5000 sikh were burnt.

the stalin family of orissa burnt alivein the car, the aftermath of godhra those horrific stories of muslim women. no one ever consider such a brutality. So you all peace loving concerned about world peace.

And to viren adaab same to u.

I know havaldaar kalim well. his heroic story and stuff.

and we are not asking for your solidarity. I f hindus is considered as a whole then your community gets 50% reservation in every sector of Psu and offices. where r the muslims left?

You got reservation the fundamental point in a society and if some parties try to appease the most neglected part of society only sentimentally then its a havoc of psuedo secularism.

wat do u mean by assam issue ?????

you mean its like a war. we kill 1000 there and you kill 1000 there to settle scores.

Dont divert the topic and anectodal references. Was gujrat not a state sponsored pogrom? why were the mob chanting police hamare saath hai?
about the outlook report in march 2002 which leaked the secret plans of modi adminstration to stage a riot by publishing a cow slauther video in public?
Why the internationally every one points the finger to State? There should be some truth? isnt it
10,000 mob doesnt assimiliate just by night it needs to be orchestrated and controlled.

In theend of the day be realistic every point of ur can be countered. so put your views in a concerned way not biased always. show the wicked sideof urs as well.

05-10-2006, 10:33 PM

Khanji,

QUOTEI know havaldaar kalim well. his heroic story and stuff.
Good. Now that you us bit better, maybe you'll enlighten us with your views on Imraan case or Shah Bano case as well since we have been pretty vocal about these issues.

On Satines issue, please read Shourie on Wadwa commission findings before you spout the standard secular talking points.

To cheer you up, let me in you a little bit of news <b>from today</b>: <b>RSS leader brutally murdered at Thiruvananthapuram</b>
And while you read this, enjoy another article (published today too) by another muslim from Bangalore on this very same RSS - a beacon of humanity (I've highlighted certain portions should you miss it)

QUOTEand we are not asking for your solidarity. I f hindus is considered as a whole then your community gets 50% reservation in every sector of Psu and offices. where r the muslims left?

50% reservation for Hindus? Where did you pull this little nugget from? Reservation threads been running for about 2 years now and I've to read about it. Please post this there with some supporting evidence and we'll take it from there. T

QUOTEwat do u mean by assam issue ?????

Exactly. You need to do read the riot thread and maybe you'll learn as to why 3000 muslims killed in single day doesn't matter to anyone other than those on this forum.
No it wasn't a war. So just research this a bit and then compare this with riots in any other part of the nation in past 50+ years of our independence.
Some details can be found here: Riots in India

QUOTEWas gujrat not a state sponsored pogrom? 
You mean with over 2 dozen police killed, 250+ hindus killed it (of the total about 700+) was still a state sponsored pogrom?

QUOTEabout the outlook report in march 2002 which leaked the secret plans of modi adminstration to stage a riot by publishing a cow slauther video in public?

The same outlook which published article by Booker prize winner Arundhati Roy which stated Eshan Jafri's daughter was raped and foetus-abused in Gujarat while she was (and still is) residing 10,000 miles away from Godhara in US?

BTW, we too have a theory on Who Knew About Godhra Riots. And the crebility of the postors in there is way higher than Outlook editor who was nailed recently on BBC for lying.

QUOTEisnt it 10,000 mob doesnt assimiliate just by night it needs to be orchestrated and controlled.

Exactly, how does a mob of 2000 gather in early wee-hours of the dawn to hurl stone at Hindus trying to escape a burning train at Signal Falia? Mysterious isn't it?
Do you have an answer?

For a minute imagine on 7/7 if a mob of muslims stoned those Brits trying to escape the bombed bus or subways.
What do you think would have happened in your good old London?

Please respond in the Gujarat riots thread and read the previous version of this thread too

Bharatvarsh · 05-10-2006, 10:54 PM

QUOTEBharat varsh gave a reference to rafiq zakaria about our honoured president. First of all one personal (as he is one identity and does not hold any post as a spokeman in any organisation ) comment can be judged as a whole statement to one's faith. Its his personal view on it. Come other day someone layman proclaim that Shankaracharya is a out of religion b'coz he is accused of conspirying in a murder. does that mean that his beloved follower will except it or take as granted no no. It is his personal view. And on the whole as of his family of respected abdul kalam azaad is a practicing muslim. sorry but I dont have that archive its in a indiatime paper of last ramzaan that he keeps fast all through the year.
Rafiq Zakaria did not just give his personal opinion, he also gave supporting facts to backup his viewpoint and according to the Quran Kalam would be a kaffir since he reads the Bhagavad Gita, according to the Quran Muslims are not even supposed to have non Muslims as friends, let alone read their scriptures. Here is an example from the Quran:
QUOTE003.028
YUSUFALI: Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
PICKTHAL: Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.
SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html
There are other verses that clearly say that Muslims are not supposed to make friends with Jews and Christians.

QUOTEAnd of my brother Muslim safeguarding the nation as part army. One should feel ashame even to popularise such a comment about a person who's loyality is a standard for us (jawan). And In islam it is clearly written that patriotism is a cumpulsory service part of Islam in quran If you want I'll let u know quran chapter and point where it is. 
Actually Islam does not recognise nationalism, this has been said by no less a person than Iqbal, if patriotism is a compulsory part of Islam then why were Indian Muslims like Shah Waliullah inviting Abdali to invade and destroy Hindus and Sikhs?

QUOTEok Bharat wants a proove for VHP enjoys killing muslim.
Stubborn arent u. VHP carries even fire arm training to its cadets. Its in a india today report of way back in 2002( cover story) and i personally have seen there training camps. And about killing muslim: all the accused areested in godhra pogrom were members of VHP. The bandh called out was of VHP and... In a recorded speech of pravin togadia shown on BBC channel 4 he calls out for to throw Muslims in Arabian sea as he want a Hindu rashtra or else accept Ram as a national hero to celebrate diwali. (throwing in sea naturally means killing).
Buddy what the hell are you talking about, the people arrested in the Godhra pogrom were all Muslims, so get your facts right and if Togadia made such a speech he should be behind bars but then again all Muslim organisations preach hate, go listen to the speeches of Imam Bukhari or even better Ali Mian, he even wrote a letter to Kuwait asking them to stop the construction of Gurudwaras in Kuwait.

QUOTEAnd about bombing the sacred Kaaba and blackstone.

You should check out that kaaba was flooded several times with water even one of it wall was damaged. So Muslims have faith on ALLAH. Not in kaaba and black stone. My grand ma died without visiting Mecca. And she was pious muslim and she never ever visited any such sites. We muslim have faith on Eternal power and lord.not at all on blackstone its of historic imortance and thats it. same with kaaba.
Any able Muslim is supposed to make the pilgrimage to Mecca atleast once in his/her lifetime, your nonsense has no relevance to what I said, if you claim that Hindu idols cannot even wipe off an ant crawling on them, I am saying that the same is true for the Quran and Kaaba, what was Muhammad doing kissing a stone?, that is worse idolatry than any Hindu idolatry I have ever seen, atleast we don't repeatedly kiss stones.

QUOTEDamage by muslims to world??????

If at all you read news you will know about american killing in Iraq, afghanistan, bosnia and gujraat(state sponsored).
You claim you are not madrasa educated but your nonsense is showing the opposite, before Iraq or Afghanistan happened it was Muslims who attacked America (you forgot 9/11) and only then did US respond. Nextly in Bosnia US was on the side of Muslims, it was actually US which intervened and saved Muslims from the Serbs so get your facts right and if Gujarat was state sponsored how was it that 30% of the riot victims were Hindus?
QUOTEevery action got equal reaction it s not at all self developed.
Well then Godhra burning got you a reaction in Gujarat riots so quit complaining.

QUOTEAnd about Hindu. Why do u forget the 1984 anti sikh riots in which 5000 sikh were burnt.

the stalin family of orissa burnt alivein the car, the aftermath of godhra those horrific stories of muslim women. no one ever consider such a brutality. So you all peace loving concerned about world peace. 
The anti sikh riots were organised by secular congress (which Muslims love so much) and BJP and RSS people actually tried to help out Sikhs and several Muslims were involved in killing Sikhs, here is a list of people allegedly involved in the anti Sikh riots, it was published by the secular news magazine called Outlook:
QUOTEWHO ARE THE GUILTY?

List Of People Identified By SurvivorsÂ
Annexure IV: H.K.L. Bhagat, Babu Ram Sharma, Sajjan Kumar, Lalit Makan, Dharam Das Shastri, Jagdish Tytler, Mahendra, Mangat Ram Singal, Dr. Ashok Kumar, Sukhan Lal Sood, Jagdish Chander Tokas -- all Congress politicians to police big wigs and others

I. POLITICIANS

The following is the list of those alleged to have instigated violence and/or protected alleged criminals.

1. Mr. H.K.L. Bhagat, Minister of state (Information and Broadcasting). On November 5, reported to have intervened to get miscreants released who were held in Shahdara Thana.

2. Babu Ram Sharma, Member, Municipal Corporation (Ward No. 58) reported to be the right-hand man of H. K. L. Bhagat. Reportedly responsible for loot, arson and murder in trance-Yamuna areas-Babarpur, Chajupur Colony, Maujpur, Gonda. Allegedly led people on motor cycle with megaphone.

3. Sajjan Kumar, Cong. (I) M.P. from Mangolpuri. Reported to have paid Rs. 100 and a bottle of liquor to each person involved in the killing.

4. Lalit Makan, Cong. (I) Trade Union Leader and Metropolitan Councillor. Reportedly paid to mob Rs. 100 each plus a bottle of liquor. A white ambassador car reportedly belonging to him came 4 times to the G.T. Road area near Azadpur. Instructions to mobs indulging in arson were given from inside the car.

5. Dharam Das Shastri, Cong. (I) M. P. from Karol Bagh. Reported to becarrying voters list with him at Prakash Nagar for identification of Sikhs. On November 5, according to newspaper reports, he along with other Congress-I leaders tried to pressurize the SHO of Karol Bagh Police Station to release the persons who arrested during the police raids to recover looted property.

6. Jagdish Tytler, Cong.(I) M. P. from Sadar Constitutency. On 6th November 5 p.m. he barged into a press conference that the Police Commissioner S. C. Tandon was holding. A journalist reports that he told the Police Commissioner that "by holding my men you are hampering the relief work".

7. Mahendra, Metropolitan Councillor. Reported to have accompanied Dharam Das Shastri with voters lists at Prakash Nagar.

8. Mangat Ram Singal, Member of Municipal Corporation (Ward No. 32) was reportedly with Dharam Das Shastri and Mahendra at Prakash Nagar.

9. Dr. Ashok Kumar, Member of Municipal Corporation, Kalyanpuri. Reportedly held a meeting in Kalyanpuri, following which violence broke out immediately. According to many eye witnesses he led mobs which indulged in loot, murder, arson and rape.

10. Sukhan Lal Sood, Metropolitan Councillor. According to eye witnesses was seen leading mobs, which indulged in loot, murder, arson and rape. He had come with petrol and serial lists and addressess of Sikhs in the locality. The women refugees, recognized him and drove him out.

11. Jagdish Chander Tokas, Member of Municipal Corporation Munirka (Ward No. 14) reportedly led a mob to R.K. Puram Sector IV and V.

12. Ishwar Singh, Member, Municipal Corporation, Mangolpuri (Ward No. 37). Allegedly led the mobs that indulged in looting, burning, rape and murder in Mangolpuri area.

13. Balwant Khokhar, Youth Congress-I Leader, Delhi, Identified as one of the persons responsible for instigating looting and arson in Palam Colony area.

14. Faiz Mohammad, Youth Congress-I Leader, Delhi, named by refugees in Shakurpur camp and in Mangolpuri for being a part of the mob indulging in looting, arson and murder.

15. Ratan, Youth Congress-I Leader, Delhi, named as having taken part in violence and looting in Palam Colony area.

16. Satbir Singh, Youth Congress-I. He allegedly brought bus loads of people from Ber Sarai to Sri Guru Harkrishan Public School (Munirka). They burnt school buses and parts of the school building. He was reportedly involved in looting and beating of Sikhs which carried on throughout the night on November 1.

II. POLICE

The following is the list of police officials allegedly responsible for negligence of duty and more abetment of /participation in violence :

1.Malhotra, ACP, East Districts at Shakarpur (under Shakarpur P. S.) Reported to have invited mobs. Heard to say "You should have blown up the Gurudwaras in addition to killing Bhatia (Congress-I worker, Trilochan Singh Bhatia ) of M. Block, Shakarpur. Mob was accompanied by Malhotra, who moved with one jeep, station-wagon, two men with sten-guns and revolvers, petrol-cans and stones. He supplied weapons to the mob, according to eve-witness accounts. Reportedly incited mobs at Laxmi Nagar, Gurunangal Nagar (under Shahdara P. S. )

2. Jai Singh, S.H.O., Allegedly told mobs in troubled area that they could do what they wanted for three days.

3. Rao Ram Mehar, S.H.O. at Shakarpur reportedly pointed out Shik shops and houses to the mob.

4. Hari Ram Bhatti, S.H.O. Sultanpuri P. S. reported to have helped the mob by disarming the Sikhs. On November 1 and 2 it is alleged that he himself killed them. On 3 and 4 reported to have had the Sikhs shaven at gun point.

5. Ravtas Singh, S.H.O. Sadar Thana. Reportedly broke into houses and indulged in arson.

6. Survir Singh, S.H.O. Kalyanpuri, P. S. He reported reached Trilokpuri (under Kalyanpuri P. S.) at 2.30 p.m. On November 1, when plunder and killing were going on. He immediately removed head constable and another constable from the spot, thereby giving the mob full licence to indulge in arson, rape and killing.

7. R. D. Singh, S.I. Information from refugees at Durgapuri Gurudwara, Loni Road that he abetted mobs and personally beat up and killed people.

8. S.H.O. and Constables. R. K. Puram Sector IV P. S. According to eye witness account when appealed to by two residents of Ber Sarai to project a Sikh family being attacked by a mob in Sector IV they categorically refused. Furhter, they are reported to have declared that Sikhs should be killed.

The following are the names of other police officials reported to have abetted / participated in violence in the mentioned areas :

9. Tyagi, S.H.O. in Trilokpuri.

10. Rana, Inspector-in-Trilokpuri.

11. Moolchand, S. I. In Shakarpur.

12. Bakshi, A.S.I. in Trilokpuri.

13. Rajvir Singh, Head Constable, Kalyanpuri, P. S. in Trilokpuri.

III OTHERS INVOLVED

The following is the list of persons allegedly involved in looting, arson and other criminal activities:

TRILOKPURI:

BLOCK -5
1. Papita, one of the ring leaders allegdly involved in murder.

BLOCK-12 :
2. Brahmani (Misrani) Shastri.

BLOCK-14 :
3. Baleshwar Bhargi alias Bhalu.
4. Bal Kishan

BLOCK-21 :
5. Bihari Dhobi.

BLOCK-25
6. B. D. Sharma.

BLOCK-27 :
7. Israi Ali (alias Chunnu).
8. Salim, Well known goonda, allegedly involved in murder.
9. Massa, opium dealer.

BLOCK-28 :
10. Dr. Yahya Siddiqi, Clinic at Main Road, Block -27, reportedly led the mob.\
11. Manu Singh, shop-keeper.
12. Soni, Railway Worker.
13. Mukesh, reportedly involved in loot and murder.

BLOCK-29 :
14. Mukri Master, Tailor, allegedly involved in murder.

BLOCK-30 :
15. Om Prakash (Omi), Mason, allegedly involved in murder.
16. Ved Prakash (Brother if Om Prakash), Handpump Mistri, allegedly involved in murder and rape.
17. Nur Jahan, reported to have incited Muslims by spreading the rumours that mosques have been burnt by Sikhs.
18. Keramat, Dealer in Cement.
19. Shabnam, TV shop owner.
20. Damesh
21. Punju

. 22. Salim allegedly involved in murder.
23.Abbas Son-in-law (see Abbas in Block 32).
24. Mukri, Video shop owner.
25. Hasin.

BLOCK-31 :
26. Kamaruddin, Atta-Chakki shop owner, and Furniture dealer.
27. Niyamat Ali.
28. Ninav, Tea shop owner.
29. Dr. V. P. Singh.
30. Duli Chand, Local Leader.

BLOCK-32:
31. Rampal Saroj, Pradhan and Congress -I worker. Allegedly responsible for killing of Gopal Singh, Ranjha Singh, Mekal Singh. Other charges against him are instigation, rape and burning.
32. Kishori lal and his four brothers, Shrawan, Sbrlya, Chhote, Kamal, own a Meat shop. Allegedly responsible for killing of HuRum Singh, Tirath, Sajjan Singh, Soma Singh, Tara Singh.
33. Jagga Sansi and wife Draupadi, allegedly responsible for burning, murder and rape.
34. Khadak Singh Pradhan.
35. Gaffar Khan, Businessman dealing in Cement.
36. Babu Khan, owns a dairy.
37. Manu Sansi
38. Aasim.
39. Somnath, allegedly responsible for killing of several persons including Hoshiar Singh S/o Milap Singh and 3 young men whom he locked in the house and killed later with other people.
40. Ajit.
41. Kadir.
42. Monga.
43. Sati.
44. Tello Sansi (Draupadi's sister)
45. Ruplal, allegedly responsible for killing of Labh Singh, r/o 32/121.
46. Omi Chamar, Shoemaker.
47. Morari, owns grocery shop in Block-31.
48. Pahelwan (Brother of Rashid).
49. Bachchan.
50. Aziz.
51. Ansar.
52. Kallo Khan, Dhaba owner.
53. Abbas, owns cloth and chappal shop in Block-27.
54. Dr. Lambo.
55. Bhallo, Sells liquors.
56. Kayamat Ali.
57. Raju (Bhangi), Sweeper.
58. Jaggi.
59. Bhaya.
60. Murli Khan.
61. Sher Khan.
62. Raja Ram, Rickshaw Driver.
63. Bethis Ramesh.
64. Bedhu Ram, allegedly responsible for killing in 32/99 and 32/97.

BLOCK -33:
65. Pappu, allegedly responsible for murder.
66. Bhum, local goonda.
67. Gyano, student.
68. Mohammad, Cycle shop owner.
69. Birju.
70. Zakir.
71. Kamal Singh, Rickshaw owner.
72. Munshi.
73. Rashid, Cycle Rickshaw repair shop in Block-32, allegedly involved in murder.

BLOCK- 34:
74. Mahendru.
75. Ratan (brother of Mahendru).
76. Behem Sharma.
77. Mahendra Pal.
78. Sher Singh, Shop keeper.

BLOCK- 35:
79. Jeevan.

BLOCK- 36:
80. B. B. Pandoy.

OTHER BLOCKS:

81. D. R. Lakhani, Youth Congress-I.
82. Abdulla.
83. Two sons of Sitaram, Milkman.
84. A.Mulla, lives near Mosque in Trilokpuri, teaches children in Mosque. Allegedly incited Muslims to go to burn two Gurudwaras of the locality.
85. Lakhan.
86. Rohtas, Land owner and Goala.
87. Rishi, Land owner and Goala.
88. Kripal, Land owner and Goala.
89. Brahrn (Tea shop owner in Trilokpuri).
90. Chabban & Munim, Cloth and Tailoring Shop near Mosque. Allegedly responsible for the death of Duleep Singh.
91. Babu Sharma.

SULTANPURI:

BLOCK- A- 4:
92. A. Bagri, Pradhan.
93. Brahmanand Gupta, Pradhan.
94. Nathu Pradhan, Sweeper.
95. Udal Jat.
96. Owner of Hanuman Ration shop.
97. Gayanand, Shop owner.
98. Ganpat, Shop owner.
99. Piria (Gujrati).
100. Gurbat Brothers.
101. Islam.
102. Rao.
103. Changa, Doctor.
104. Omi, auto-rickshaw driver.
105. Garib Das.
106. Vermanand, Kerosene seller.

BLOCK A-5:
107. Hasla Ram.
108. Mangla.
109. Satbir.
110. Salam.

BLOCK B-1:
111. Pal Brahman.
112. Samthu.

113. Khismvia.
114. Kumar.

BLOCK- 3:
115. Gopal & Brothers
116. Babbar & Father
117. Tiwari
118. Raghubir,Sweeper
119.Pratap,Sweeper
120. Wajiz

BLOCK- C- 4:
121. Barjilal & Sons.
122. Kalaram and 2 sons
123. Prem Singh alias Prem Muchiwal, Property dealer
124.Jai Kishan, Sweeper
125.Danny
126. Pappu
127. Raju
128. Ravikaran, Tailor
129. Kannaram.
130. Mohan Lal s/o Thekeda Komal

BLOCK P-3:
131. Tara Chand, Carpenter.
132. Master, Kerosene seller
133. Radhe Shyam, Mechanie
134. Babu Lal, Vegetable seller
135. The brother of Sikandar
136. Gulab Singh, owner of Godown

MONGOLPURl:

137. Hardwari Lal, Mandal President
138. Narendar Singh, Congress-I Worker
139. Salim Qureshi, Congress-I worker, belongs to Waqf Club
140. Shawkeen, Congress- I Worker, belong to Waqf Club
141. Malaram, Congress- I worker
142. Rajendar of New Star Club
143. Shiv Charan

MAUJPUR: GONDA:

144. Bhisno Joginder, Kerosene seller
145. Trilok, Flour Mill owner
146. Gupta, Paper seller
147. Delu Ram, Tailor's Apprentice
148. Ram Kishan, Tailor's Apprentice
149. Bhola, MilLman I
150. Balbir, Milkman s son
151. Prem, Barber
152. Gyan Malwai
153. Narain's son
154. Brahm

SHAKARPUR:

155. Bhatia, Congress - I Worker
156. Dogra, Congress-I worker
157. Mr. Singh, Congress-I worker
158. Lakshmi Dhoban, Mahila Samiti, allegedly instigated mobs to burns Sikhs alive.
159. Mr. Ashwini, BJP worker
160. Satpal, owner of 3-star hotel on main Shakarpur highway.
161. Ashok Kumar, owns a flour mill in Shakarpur.
162. Ram Niwas Sharma
163. Rohtas Singh, Shakarpur Village.

KHAJURI KHAS:

164. Kadam Singh, Panchayat Sarpanch
165. Nephews of Kadam Singh
166. Nambat Singh, owns Ration shop in the area.
167. Shyam Lal, Retired ASI.
168. Jai Singh, Kerosene seller
169. Jugnu.
170. Parsa

JANAKPURI:

171. Pratap, Pradhan of Sagarpur, allegedly responsible for killing 22 members of the family of Budh Singh of Sagarpur near Janakpuri.

BLOCK C:
172. Dablu, Sweeper
173. Kalia, Sweeper
174. Upli, Sweeper
175. Son Sasi
176. Mohan Sasi
177. Bhana Sasi
178. Raju, Sweeper
179. Malaram, allegedly distributed free kerosene

MANDAVALI: UNCHPUR

180. Sachdeva, property dealer
181. Raj Kalia, Cement dealer
182. Gupta, alias Chakki, owns Grocery store
183. Ram Prakash, works in Khadi Bhawan
184. Dr. Babbar
185. Dharam Pal
186. Kishan Dutt
187. Babu Ram
188.Lal Bahadur Mishra
189. Joshi

RAJNAGAR:

190. Balwan Khokkar
191. Mohinder Singh Bargdola
192. Pandit Tara Chand
193. Ishwar Chand Verma
194. Pandit Ram Niwas

SADAR BAZAAR:

195. Kamal, Dhobi
196. David, Dhobi's son
197. Vinayak Family

AZADPUR INDUSTRIAL AREA:

198. T. S. Bedi, Factory owner. On Nov. 1 he is reported to have organized mobs from early morning which became active later. While his own factory was left untouched, the neighbouring Crown Motors factory belonging to Sardar Pyare Singh was gutted the same day.

http://www.outlookindia.com/scriptur11w2.a...pucl&sid=17&pn=
Go through the list, you will see several Muslim names involved in murdering Sikhs.

As for the burning of staines (not stalin), why don't you talk about how many Hindus were murdered by xtians in the North East?

In Tripura the NFLT banned Durga Puja and wanted all tribals to become xtians. The Rheang tribals have been ethnic cleansed from Mizoram for refusing to convert by xtians.

05-11-2006, 08:17 AM

QUOTEmaybe you'll enlighten us with your views on Imraan case or Shah Bano case as well since we have been pretty vocal about these issues.


As you asked for my vews. So its mine personal opinion not religious output.

And Shah bano is a women who bears a loads of respect in my eyes I salute this women for her courage and respect her view and her demand were truly eligible.

Now the decision of Sc was oppsed by MLB ( shahabuddin and MJ akbar more vocally). That doesnt mean that every other muslim is have got same view. How many of hindus follow Hindu law board. there are loads of cases of bigamtry in hindus as well. Does hindu follow all their property laws in real life. NO..

And as of Imraan sami case. See what you wannna say is that any rape, muder, dacoity, blast, usuary comitted by a muslim reflects the Islam? Then I can give so many examples of daily day to day crimes by hindus where does religion comes into play in imraan . Its the society which has this things embedded not religion.

And if you wanna quote crime then dont forget Hindu's oldest and revered "Sati"

yes i knew it was b coz of ignorance so i except it now society is much more aware so no more ssuch incidence. though I am not gonna say hindus in this point.

Ok of the reservation Without getting into numericals answer this is ur community is benefitting from it or not. Are dalits not hindus ? though apartheid Dont they rever hindu gods and gets top babu seat for being a reserved community..

QUOTEYou mean with over 2 dozen police killed, 250+ hindus killed it (of the total about 700+) was still a state sponsored pogrom
when it comes to Kashmir the figure are exagerated like lacs of hindus and for gujrat you will take state figures 750 go on any bbc serach for gujratt riots the independant figures are 2002. and if exagerated as by paki news paper 4000. Why on earth you all have to be said that it was a such when main stream media have always been pin pointing on state nature in riots. Why is the media lying. hurt gujrati pride!.

About outlook I dont knwo exactly to be frank> but that exclusive report was carried. And I have faith on it atleast the action proves modi want power seat on pile of bodies thats why he is rejected a us visa

And bharat varsh [edited - no personal attacks please] What he says again is anectodal thing then addressing wat it is about.

I would request who ever moderator to utilise this forum in a better way You have got such a good name india forum. so use it for betterment for jobs for health care and community instead of becomming a mouth piece of extremist . Be concerned to India not in muslims, and riots

05-11-2006, 09:11 AM

QUOTEBe concerned to India not in muslims, and riots
We are concerned about India and very much worried about Radicalization of Indian Muslim. There is a need to address these issues.

Muslims pan-Islamic agenda should be exposed.
Regular bomb blast by Muslims and repetitive attacks on Hindu place of worship are very serious issue.

Hussain call his painting as freedom of speech but Mohammad cartoon is considered as attack on Islam. Indian Muslims double standard is deplorable.

05-11-2006, 09:32 AM

QUOTEHow many of hindus follow Hindu law board. there are loads of cases of bigamtry in hindus as well. Does hindu follow all their property laws in real life. NO..

If the property law is not adhered to, than there is system/process for one to get justice via legal channels. In Imraan's case and Shah Bano's we as nation failed them - bottom line and the culprits are still out there, most in positions of power today. Does this not bother you that 50% of the muslim population is being oppressed? And your favorite nemisis like BJP or RSS has nothing to do with this other than asking for uniform civil code so that all Indians are treated and respected as Indias?

As for bigamy in Hindus, it's against law of land - nothing Hindu or Muslim about it. Just because law is bent by certain individuals, doesn't mean that other law biding Hindus approve of it.

And if we have to discuss "Sati", it's not in our 'Bhagavad Gita' that Sati should be committed by widows. The origins of lie in war widows giving up their lives than being slaves and property of the invading hordes from West.

QUOTEThat doesnt mean that every other muslim is have got same view.
I'm glad that you see that way. Similarly, don't blame every Hindu for ills in other communities.

QUOTEAre dalits not hindus ? 
Absolutely. And in my opinion so every other Indians irrespective of their current religious affiliation. Hinduism is a way of life and personally President Abdul Kalam commands higher respect any day than say the current HRD minister Arjun Singh.

BTW, Who are the spokesperson for these dalits these days - Rev Fredric Prakash or Rev Joseph D'Souza etc? Kancha Illiah? Most of these have called for throwing Hindus into Arabian Sea. Heck, you won't see it in Times of India, of course if Tagodia (who doesn't speak for me BTW) said same, you'll come running here with 'see told ya'.

QUOTEOk of the reservation Without getting into numericals answer this is ur community is benefitting from it or not. 
(a) no, "my community" is not beneffitting
(b) even if for sake for argument I accept that "my community" benefitted, I would oppose reservations for a simple reason that it promotes reverse discrimination and merit's not reward.
To put in presepective, I know people could have set up their business in some nations where they are indeed a minority and if tagged as minority (especially female minority) owned business, they get a better shot at govt. contracts and other benefits. But they have chosen not to on basis on their personal principles.

QUOTEbut that exclusive report was carried
Boss, exclusive reports doesn't cost much to be carried out. Most are paid to carry such report. I've just posted media thread a report from Friends of Tibet where "The Hindu" (ironical huh?) publish reports from Chinese news agency directly. Print and big media's credibilty is at all time low so if you read anything please cross check with other things.

QUOTEwhen it comes to Kashmir the figure are exagerated like lacs of hindus and for gujrat you will take state figures 750 go on any bbc serach for gujratt riots the independant figures are 2002.
The figures in media has been directly proportional to (a) the time and (b) their intent on establishing themselves as 'secular'. The Gujarat figures I've quoted are published by the Govt of India and presented in both houses of parliament. The current UPA govt of India, the one which is for all purposes hostile to Gujarat state govt in every other respect.

QUOTEWhy is the media lying. hurt gujrati pride!.

Luckily, Gujarati pride isn't that fragile and the anti-Gujarat forces will have to try a bit harder.
Try answering a question I've repeadtely asked you. Why's no one talking about Neille, Assam when one Feb morning of '83, over 3000 muslims were killed in just ONE DAY. The Tiwari commission report and the findings are not published till date? Even a seminar on this topic organized last Dec was banned by the govt. Some of the culprits are very much alive and in position of power. Why's media silent about muslims in Assam while harping on muslims in Gujarat. Why are muslims in Gujarat voting repeatedly for Modi? The postor child for the Godhara riots (forget his name), who was relocated to Kolkotta by Sabrang and their naxal friends, returned back to Gujarat within 3 months!! Read the other threads, and you'll find a lot of answers.

QUOTEuse it for betterment for jobs for health care and community instead of becomming a mouth piece of extremist 
Stick around with an open mind before calling anyone a mouth piece of whatever.

05-11-2006, 05:34 PM

haan ji viren saab,

I discussed about the property Law only and only to highlight the following of Hindu law boards laws. It was to reply you about Muslim law Board. I am not much into Muslim law board I have been always have opinion that it is out of date now in perspective of current times.

About the Muslim women being oprresed?

I dont know why you get such afeeling If you have a muslim girl as a freind or coullegue, classmate ...... do enquire about her opression. Is she ?

Whatever the answer she gets U let me know.. but for in my case I have good number of them to talk. But never such a opinion was out. And I know you are pointing at the divorce thing. First of all Talaaq doesnt happen by a word or so. According to quran ( which is not adhered to here for personal benefits) a men after haveing differences and keen to be apart should stay together in one home for 40 days so as to any possibility of reunion. And as of maintenance thing I 'll soon let you know the islamic guidines I apologise for not able to reply you in this case as it gonna be sorted till my next rep.

QUOTEJust because law is bent by certain individuals, doesn't mean that other law biding Hindus approve of it.

same in my case Viren! just for the sake of some muslims You are pointing your 5 fingers instead of one mate. What do you think do I approve a Sabarmati incident or my any one who knows me as I dont so I strongly reject the aftermath.

That doesnt give any sense of proud in blasphemic comments on Hindu gods. I repect them until you do.... ( the truth is that I feel ashame of that derogratory comments but that was justified in the way tthe whole forum is up in arms against only one agenda of uniformity in hatred towards muslim)

You didnt replied my argument for Imraan sami comment ? ru satisfied with it

QUOTEWho are the spokesperson for these dalits these days - Rev Fredric Prakash or Rev Joseph D'Souza etc? Kancha Illiah? Most of these have called for throwing Hindus into Arabian Sea. Heck, you won't see it in Times of India, of course if Tagodia (who doesn't speak for me BTW) said same, you'll come running here with 'see told ya'.

Why ther is such fuss about conversion to christianity. Every one has the right of selection of reigion. ok if it is through finances then i would say that such a person is so weak in his religion and faith that wanna change it for pennies. If I do convert to hinduism it will be fuss in my community and you will take pride. so basically its a personal choice. Dont u think so? And if dalit faith is on such a loose ground then it should be strenghtened.

See every community has a extreme views and soft view. Even bhudism in sri lanka have got fsacist sri lankan. So if Rev Joseph D'Souza says such thing its in the package as i do take some comments of mullah in media Dont i?

A very democratic view of opposing reservation. But I foresee in my life that will never happen.. And no government will do so. So where is the problem? weired. you dont wan it i dont then ??

But now just looked at IBN LIVE headlines Maharashtra have gone ahead with 50% reservation what do u say?

so the topic is widening with media credibilty? I even have doubt on who burned godhra train B'coz i take as popular in muslim circles that it was a conspiracy hatched to kill 50 for 2000! no i dont beleive it( its a result of doubt in media) so upto wat extent we gonna check. After all every thing ends on faith on it. so I have faith on INDIA's second largest and fastest growing subscriber base magzine.

No big boss No. you know practicality. the figures of 750 is weired. whatever that be but loss is loss. either ur 250 or mine 750.

QUOTEWhy's no one talking about Neille, Assam when one Feb morning of '83, over 3000 muslims were killed in just ONE DAY.

It is the year in which I was born. So dont really felt situation as time heals may be but i knew it from last 3 years only. but about gujrat thing I personally have met who has been affected. seen the aajtak lnews met orphan children who were resettled in my locality by a newspaper funding. read horrific stories of violen against women their qoutes chilling. for this it is understandable my stand.

Ok i do feel strongly . this forum can be used in more sensibly At least by convulging all this post into one and starting new one which addreses the ground problem.

**acharya** · 05-12-2006, 02:15 AM

QUOTE(K_Khan @ May 11 2006, 12:04 AM)

Ok i do feel strongly .Â this forum can be used in more sensibly At least by convulging all this post into one and starting new one which addreses the ground problem.
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Stick around and post sensibily and this forum will help people to understand better instead of relying on the media alone.
Keep an open mind and use logic in your post.

05-12-2006, 04:00 AM

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no here in this forum there are only views and views and views My views urs and go on its never and nothing about media

Bharatvarsh · 05-16-2006, 01:49 AM

QUOTEUP Muslims float party, to contest poll

Pioneer News Service | Lucknow

Claiming to be "upset at being treated as a vote-bank by various political parties over the years", a group of Muslim outfits launched their own political outfit - People's Democratic Front - on Monday.

While Shahi Imam of Delhi's Jama Masjid, Ahmad Bukhari, will be its patron, prominent Shia cleric Maulana Kalbe Jawwad has been named Chairman.

Speaking to mediapersons here on Monday, Jawwad said Muslims had been exploited by various political outfits over the years which did little for their uplift. "The time has come for us to seek participation in power," said Jawwad. The People's Democratic Front (PDF) will have poll adjustments with like-minded parties during the elections, Jawwad added. The nascent outfit plans to contest around 150 seats in the next Assembly election in Uttar Pradesh.

Jawwad also hinted at the "bias against the community" by the present regime. He said, "1,800 constables were recruited by the present regime of which nearly a 1,000 were Yadavs. There were only 30 Muslims."

He asked, "If the 7 per cent Yadavs in the State and 12 per cent Dalits can occupy power in Uttar Pradesh, why can't the 22 per cent Muslims do so?"

Observers feel the advent of a Muslim political party can have a deep impact on Uttar Pradesh politics, provided the organisation succeeds in keeping its flock together. Except for the BJP, the three main political parties in the State - the Congress, SP and the BSP - rely heavily on the Muslim vote-bank.

By adding a new dimension to the caste-based politics of Uttar Pradesh, the PDF can emerge to be a king-maker in the State in its first brush with power, analysts feel.

Setting aside apprehensions over the success of such a body, Jawwad said the community had learnt from its past mistakes and the PDF would not fail as it had the support and blessing of the ulema and had chalked out its working with various political and religious groups.

In reply to a question, Jawwad said firebrand leader Haji Yakoob Qureshi, who has offered Rs 51 crore prize money for the murder of the Danish cartoonists who lampooned the Prophet, was welcome to join the PDF, provided he quits the Mulayam Singh Yadav Ministry and the Samajwadi Party.

Though Jama Masjid Shahi Imam could not attend the launch, several prominent Muslim leaders attended the meeting. Among them were Imam of Masjid Teela Shah Maulana Shah Fazlur Rehman Waizi, Maulana Jahangeer Qasimi, Maulana Saif Abbas, president of Jamat-e-Islami Hind Mohammad Ahmad Ameer, president of Majlise Mashawarat UP Mehabob Ahmad, president of All-India Muslim Forum Nehaluddin, president of Momin Conference Naimullah Ansari, president of Parcham Party of India Saleem Peerzada, president of Indian National League, Dr Khan Mohammad Atif and Dr Masood Ahmad and Arshad Khan of NLP.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?m...t&counter_img=3
QUOTEUP: Muslims float new party

Lucknow, May 15 (PTI) Encouraged by electoral success of of nascent Assam United Democratic Front (AUDF) comprising Muslim bodies, Muslim politcial outfits and noted scholars of the community in Uttar Pradesh today launched a political party Peoples' Democratic Front (PDF) and decided to contest assembly polls next year.

"The PDF with Shahi Imam of the Delhi Jama Masjid Syed Ahmed Bukhari as its patron has been launched with a view to enabling the Muslims to share power on the basis of their distinct electoral strength", President of the Front and noted Shia scholar Maulana Kalbe Jawwad told newsmen here.

He said PDF would be fielding its candidates in the next assembly elections in the state as there are 147 constituencies in UP where Muslims can ensure victory of their candidates.

Jawwad said though Bukhari was supposed to be present at the press conference here, he could not turn up as he missed his morning flight.

He said the decision to form a separate political outfit was arrived at a meeting of various smaller Muslim outfits like Muslim Majlis, All India Muslim Forum, Parcham Party of India, Indian League and Momin Conference.

Jawwad said the doors of PDF were open to other Muslim outfits also and it would align with like-minded parties on the basis of their committment to muslim emancipation.

The Muslim politcial parties "have derived vigour and inspiration from the recently held assembly elections in Assam where a similar Muslim outfit has won significant number of seats on the basis of its own strength", he said.

The AUDF won ten seats in Assam polls.

http://www.ptinews.com/pti/ptisite.nsf/&#0...E3?OpenDocument
In any other country there would have been a permanent ban on Muslim parties after partition.

Bharatvarsh · 05-16-2006, 02:01 AM

QUOTEDoctor held for helping LeT men

Press Trust of India
Posted online: Monday, May 15, 2006 at 1231 hours IST
Updated: Monday, May 15, 2006 at 1714 hours IST

Nashik, May 15: A 28-year-old doctor was arrested in Malegaon early Monday morning for allegedly assisting the Lashkar-e-Taiba from whose possession a huge cache of arms was seized recently, police said.

The accused, identified as Sharif Mohmed Shabbir Ahmed, is said to be an activist of the banned Student Islamic Movement of India (SIMI).

Police are likely to interrogate Ahmed, a resident of Sapana Sizing in Malegaon, in connection with the car that was used by the terrorists on May 9 at Aurangabad. The militants escaped in the car when they were intercepted by police.
A diary and a mobile phone have also been seized from his possession, police said.

The car was found abandoned in Sayne-Shivar at Malegaon on Friday and had police arrested four persons - Riyaj Ahmed Mohmed Ramjan (36), Mushtaq Ahmed Mohmed Issac (25), Javid Ahmed Abdul Maji (2 and Afjal Khan Nabi Khan (26) - in this connection.

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