India - China: Relations And Developments

[Guest]

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BEIJING: China will start filling the first of its strategic oil reserve facilities by the year end, a senior planning official said Monday.

Ma Kai, chairman of the National Development and Reform Commission, told reporters that the first such facility will be built in Zhenhai in eastern China's Zhejiang province.

China has a key oil refinery at Zhenhai. Three other strategic oil reserve facilities will be ready in 2007-2008, Ma told a press conference on the sidelines of the annual session of China's parliament, the National People's Congress.

<b>China, which had been the only large oil-consuming country without a strategic oil reserve system, had previously not stocked its reserves due to high oil prices.</b>
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[Guest]

<b>China Won't Bow to U.S. on Yuan Reform, Zhou Says </b>(Update2) <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->March 11 (Bloomberg) -- China won't bow to pressure from the U.S. to step up its timetable for making the yuan currency to appreciate further, central bank Governor Zhou Xiaochuan said.

<b>China will follow its ``own principles'' on yuan reform and current yuan fluctuations are appropriate,</b>
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<b>China's yuan had the biggest weekly drop since July's revaluation after central bank</b> Assistant Governor Yi Gang said on March 8 that the People's Bank of China doesn't have plans to expand the daily 0.3 percent currency band. The yuan, a denomination of China's currency the renminbi, fell 0.2 percent to 8.0505 in the week ended yesterday, the lowest close in a month, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
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Senators Charles Schumer, a Democrat, and Lindsay Graham, <b>a Republican, are sponsoring legislation that would impose tariffs of 27.5 percent on Chinese-made goods unless the yuan is allowed to rise faster.</b>

Former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan ``was a force of sensible analysis on the yuan, and now the current Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, when he had a chance to repeat that line, said he shares the frustration of the Congress,'' Standard Chartered's Green said.
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<b>China's foreign-exchange reserves jumped a third to $818.9 billion last year</b>, driven by foreign direct investment and surging exports. The nation's trade surplus tripled to a record $102 billion in 2005, prompting the U.S. and European Union to increase calls for China to make its currency more flexible.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[acharya]

Wednesday, March 15, 2006
R E G I O N: ‘China, India to usher in new Asian century’

* Chinese prime minister hopes ties between the two countries will remain ‘vibrant’ in the future

BEIJING:China and India will usher in a “new Asian century,” Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao said on Tuesday, as he expressed hopes the world’s two most populous countries would build on their improving relations.

“I have a belief, that is when China and India are truly strong enough to fully bring out their own spirit and style, then that will truly usher in a new Asian century,” Wen told a press conference shortly after the end of national legislature’s annual session.

Wen played down concerns that China and India would become competitors when they became much stronger as they vied for foreign investment, energy and other scarce natural resources, as well as regional influence.

Wen recalled his successful visit to India last year, and said the two countries reached a strategic partnership for peace and prosperity, signed a political principle guiding the settlement of the border issue and worked out a five-year plan for China-India trade and economic development.

This year marks the year of friendship between China and India, Wen said, adding, “cultural exchanges will be high on the agenda.” “I hope by then our two countries’ fraternal and friendly relations will still be vibrant... and remain dear to the hearts of the two Oriental nations,” Wen said.

China-India relations have improved in recent years as both countries have made efforts to complement instead of compete with each other’s growth.

The two nations signed a landmark agreement in January to jointly secure energy security, rather than trying to outbid each other to secure reserves.

However the two countries still have not resolved a decades-old border dispute.

India says China occupies 38,000 square kilometres of Indian territory in Kashmir while Beijing claims 90,000 square kilometres of the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.

The dispute led to a brief war in 1962.

A formal ceasefire line was never established after the war but the border has remained mostly peaceful. The two sides ended three-day talks on the boundary dispute this week without resolving the issue, although they agreed to continue the dialogue at an unspecified date. Agencies

[acharya]

<b>General Information</b>

<P><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.china.org.cn/english/shuzi-en/en-shuzi/index.htm">China
Facts and Figures, 2002</A>: An official Chinese
government source <BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cntoc.html">A Country
Study: China</A>: Information from the Library of
Congress<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.chinatoday.com/general/a.htm">General
Information of the People's Republic of China</A> <BR>
<A
class=bodytext
href="http://www.chinatoday.com/city/a.htm">Chinese Cities
and Provinces</A><BR>
<A class=bodytext
href="http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/china.html#detailed.html">China
Maps</A>: Detailed information about China through maps
<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ch.html">The
World Factbook: China</A>: Factual summary of China
ranging from geography to history<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.economist.com/countries/China/index.cfm">Country
Briefings: China</A>: Brief information from The
Economist with some news</P>

<P><B>Government</B></P>
<P><A class=bodytext
href="http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/texts/chinhist.html">Concise
Political History of China</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.china.org.cn/english/Political/25060.htm">China's
Political System</A> : Detailed description of the
Chinese governmental structure<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.chinaleadershipmonitor.org/default.htm">China
Leadership Monitor</A>: From the Hoover Institution,
offers authoritative assessments of trends in Chinese
leadership politics</P>
<P><B>General Publications</B></P>
<P><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.beijingscene.com/cissue/index.html">Beijing
Scene</A>: A Chinese-based online magazine, focusing on
culture and lifestyle<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.thatsmagazines.com/home/index.asp?location=sh">That's:
Shanghai</A>: Online resource for expatriates in China
and other Asian countries<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://202.84.17.11/en/index.htm">Xinhua News
Agency</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.scmp.com/">South China Morning
Post</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.china.org.cn/english/index.htm">China
Internet Information Center</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/home/china.html">China
Daily</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/">People's Daily
Online</A></P>

<P><B>Agriculture and Food Sciences</B></P>
<P><A class=bodytext
href="http://us.tom.com/english/43.htm">Government
Agriculture Plans</A>: Information on the numerous
agricultural projects in China<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/wrs012/">China:
Agriculture in Transition</A>: A U.S. report on Chinese
agriculture <BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/China/">Agriculture
and Agricultural Trade</A>: Review by the U.S.
Department of Agriculture<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.einnews.com/china/newsfeed-ChinaAgriculture">China
Agriculture News</A></P>
<P><B>Education</B></P>
<P><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.chinatoday.com/edu/a.htm">Education:
Facts, Figures and Links</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://us.tom.com/english/72.htm">Overview of
Government Education Plans</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.edu.cn/HomePage/english/index.shtml">China
Education and Research Network</A>: Comprehensive
information on education in China<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.hku.hk/chinaed/">Wah Ching Centre of
Research on Education in China</A>: Hong Kong - based
center dedicated to improving education in China<BR><A
class=bodytext
href="http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/education/">Education
in China</A>: Brief description from
TravelChinaGuide.com<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.math.ksu.edu/~dbski/publication/history.html">History
of the Educational System of China</A>: Written by a
professor from Kansas State University<BR><A
class=bodytext
href="http://www.edu.cn/HomePage/english/statistics/education/index.shtml">Education
Statistics</A></P>

<P><B>Energy</B></P>
<P><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/chinaenv.html">China:
Environmental Issues</A>: Analysis of China's
environmenal prolems by the U.S. Department of
Energy<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.ciae.ac.cn/english/HOME.htm">China
Institute of Atomic Energy</A>: The birth place of
China's nuclear research.<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.iea.org/Textbase/stats/noncountryresults.asp?nonoecd=China%20(People's%20Republic%20of%20China%20and%20Hong%20Kong%20China)">IEA
Energy Statistics: China</A>: From the International
Energy Agency<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://library.iea.org/dbtw-wpd/Textbase/stats/nmcbalancetable.asp?nonoecd=China+%28People%27s+Republic+of+China+and+Hong+Kong+China%29&COUNTRY_LONG_NAME=China%20(People's%20Republic%20of%20China%20and%20Hong%20Kong%20China)">2001
Energy Balances</A>: Statistics from the IEA<BR><A
class=bodytext
href="http://library.iea.org/dbtw-wpd/Textbase/publications/newfreedetail2.asp?F_PUBS_ID=475">Developing
China's Gas Market</A>: A publication from the IEA<BR><A
class=bodytext
href="http://www.ndu.edu/inss/mcnair/mcnair67/01_toc.htm">Oil
for the Lamps of China</A>: A detailed analysis of
China's future energy needs by the National Defense
University</P>

<P><B>Health and Life Sciences</B></P>
<P><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.who.int/countries/chn/en/">WHO Country
Overview: China</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.avert.org/aidschina.htm">HIV & AIDS
in China:</A> Information from AVERT, an international
AIDs charity organization </P>
<P><B>Information and Commmunication Technology</B></P>
<P><A class=bodytext
href="http://english.iresearch.com.cn/demographics/">China
Internet Demographics</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.chinatechnews.com/">China Tech
News</A>: A technology news portal<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://us.tom.com/english/1341.htm">National
Science and Technology Achievement Spreading
Program</A>: A government plan to advance China's tech.
pedigree<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://us.tom.com/english/68.htm">Science
Parks</A>: A list of China's hi-tech centers<BR><A
class=bodytext
href="http://www.most.gov.cn/English/index.htm">Ministry
of Science and Technology</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://us.tom.com/english/66.htm">Government IT
Planning</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.china.org.cn/english/scitech/34496.htm">Sci-Tech
News</A>: Updates on events involving the scientific
community <BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.cnnic.net.cn/en/index/0O/index.htm">China
Internet Statistics</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://english.iresearch.com.cn/wireless_service/">SMS
and Wireless Service news</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.usito.org/">U.S. Information Technology
Office</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.edu.cn/HomePage/english/statistics/technology/index.shtml">Technology
Statistics</A></P>

<P><B>Manufacturing</B></P>
<P><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.made-in-china.com/">Trade Directory of
China Products, Manufacturers, Suppliers &
Exporters<BR></A><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.manufacturers.com.tw/">China Trade
Directory</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.cma.org.hk/eng/firstpage.asp">The
Chinese Manufacturers' Association of Hong Kong</A></P>
<P><B>Security</B></P>
<P><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/">China
Military Guide</A>: From Global Security<BR><A
class=bodytext
href="http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/">Embassy of
People's Repulic of China in the United States of
America</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.nti.org/db/china/">China WMD
Database</A>: Produced by Monterey Institute's Center
for Nonproliferation Studies<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.ceip.org/files/nonprolif/countries/country.asp?ID=1&country=china">Proliferation
News and Resources: China</A>: From Carnegie Endowment
for International Peace<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_in_China">Wikipedia
Encyclopedia: People's Liberation Army</A><BR><A
class=bodytext
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Military_Commission_of_China">Central
Military Commission</A>: Analagous to the U.S.
Department of Defense (brief description from
Wikipedia)<BR></P>

<P><B>Trade and Finance</B></P>
<P><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.buyusainfo.net/docs/x_7439525.pdf">U.S.
Commercial Service: Guide to Doing Business in
China</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.china.org.cn/english/features/investment/36684.htm">Investment
in China FAQ</A><BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://us.tom.com/english/127.htm">Government
Planning for Trade</A>: Introduction to China's trade
bureaucracy and trade policies.<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.cbiz.cn/">China Business Information
Center</A>: A newsletter dedicated to Chinese
business<BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.imf.org/external/country/CHN/index.htm">People's
Republic of China and the IMF</A>: IMF and China-related
events <BR><A class=bodytext
href="http://www.ccpit.org/servlet/org.servlet.en.OrgWebEn?actionType=Home&OrgId=1">China
Council for the Promotion of International Trade</A>: An
organization dedicated to promoting trade<BR><A
class=bodytext
href="http://www.worldbank.org.cn/English/Content/China10-04.pdf">World
Bank China Update, Nov.
2004</A></P>

[Guest]

Hey I'm new here to this forum. I'm chinese. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

I've been reading this forum and I see a lot of mixed opinion about how indians feel about chinese.

So I'm just curious, what do Indians think of China and its people and its economy?

Do you think China and India can become friends or enemies?

Thank you.

[Guest]

Well, why don't you start how people of China and Political leaders of China perceive India or people of Indian Origin?

[Bharatvarsh]

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China and India can become friends but that can only happen when China returns to its roots from nonsensical ideologies like Communism (although nowadays its only Communist in name) and gives up Tibet and other claims on Indian territory. China and India in ancient times have never been deadly enemies (infact they were sometimes in alliance, as in during the time of the Kashmir king Lalitaditya Muktapida who wanted an alliance with the Chinese to fight the arab jihadis), there has always been cultural contact between the 2 countries with Buddhist monks visiting India and Indian monks visiting China but once the ideology of mass murder (aka Communism) took over it was just a matter of time before relations turned sour.

As a Hindu I appreciate the philosophies of Taoism and Confucianism and so do many other Hindus, If the Chinese people disown Communism completely and give up Tibet and return to their roots, only then can we have good relations again.

[agnivayu]

Overall probably a positive opinion. Indians and Chinese don't have a history of animosity. Even with the long border, I think the mountainous rugged terrain will help to keep the peace. But, for strategic reasons, China will support Pakistan until a major Islamic terrorist attack happens on China. I don't think Chinese truly understand how dangerous radical Islam is, but they eventually will.

I also think you guys should preserve your traditional Chinese religions and not convert to Christianity.

At the personal level I see Indians and Chinese getting along well. Hinduism and traditional Chinese religions have a lot in common.



<!--QuoteBegin-XiuXiu+May 8 2006, 02:00 AM-->QUOTE(XiuXiu @ May 8 2006, 02:00 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hey I'm new here to this forum. I'm chinese.  <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

I've been reading this forum and I see a lot of mixed opinion about how indians feel about chinese.

So I'm just curious, what do Indians think of China and its people and its economy?

Do you think China and India can become friends or enemies?

Thank you.
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[dhu]

Chinese and indians are natural friends and ideally should be friendly competitors and dual overlords of eurasia. in fact, given the antiquity and relative continuity of their civilization, only the chinese among the world cultures have the adhikara to sit at the same table with indians, with exceptions for SE asians and japanese. (Even though I respect the native american and african civilization, these cultures simply never achived the calibre of the native asian civs)

Few things that i respect the chinese for:
1 Chinese did give a bloody nose to the christist imperialists with their boxer rebellion aimed at driving away missionaries (japanese went one step further and exposed the christist hoax)------ this shows that traditional chinese culture were as dynamic as Indian Dharma (Vivekananda, Savarkar) at the turn of the century- sadly no more thanks to the extended communist nigtmare.. pls educate us on this.
2 They have banned the vatican mind control cult and even lecture the pope abut pedophilia
3 They have made territorial claims to the american mainland
4 They have geostategic vision in supplying ICBMs to islamic states which can sap american power and pretensions. although it is highly reckless.
5 defeat of americans twice (in vietnam and korea)

Few bad things :
1 propping up pakistan terror state and proliferating nukes to them
2 funding marxists-naxals in india with intent to destroy the indian economy. the missionaries will then piggyback to power in the cultural wasteland created (as in cambodia).
3 tibet - though the power vacuum in tibet would inevitably have been filled by either russia or US- stooge Nehru fulfilled his mission to sideline India.
4 Nepal

Communism did physically delete away the traditional chinese intellectual class in various pogroms. Chinese should understand that communism is a pseudo-intellectual variety of abrahamism, although the inherent chinese practicability seems to prevent them from making such Dharmic considerations. I do not think they can be mobilized intellectually against abrahamism (eg in Indonesia against the islamists), as pointed out by Rajiv malhotra. Intellectually, they have fallen into the western framework.

I picked up somewhere that Chinese had a favorable view of india until the british Indian troops were used against them.

Sometimes I think the nationalist Mao probably saved China from Christianization.. just look at what happened to taiwan under the fleeing Kai-shek.

I also think that there have significant Chinese/SE asian contributions to Indian culture though the dominant euro paradigms prevent further elucidation.

[Guest]

i envy the chinese in some ways.

1 - that they have a single language, with only few millions who dont speak it. wish sanskrit was the lingua franca of india.

2 - that they are basically the same ethnicity - ie. han chinese for the most part, again with a few millions as exceptions. we have about 4 ethnicities and many sub ethnicities and linguistic communities, all of whom hae their own seperate culture and ethics.

3 - that the have a centralised, focussd government with one point agenda of development. all indian govt's suffer from the fact that in a democracy, 10 people will have 10 different opinions about what needs to be done. in india once party's idea of the steps needed for develpoment doesnt match with another party's plans. meanwhile the world's biggest corporate today is china.


and i congratulate china for points 1 and 2 - these are remarkable achievements for a nation that had to suffer in the hands of the japanese and then under the communist purges.

[Guest]

meanwhile read this to know what the chinese and other asians think of india - http://o3.indiatimes.com/imageindia/archiv.../27/391084.aspx

[dhu]

There is some evidence posted by Hauma Hamiddha that the Sino-Islamic Axis goes all the way back to the arab conquest of Central Asia. From the Chinese view point, the axis is purely geopolitical, not ideological. Unfortunately it does have serious consquences for dharma:

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->link2The general perception that India and China never had any historical conflicts is flawed, and in part is the fantasy of communists. While the past relationships between India and China have been better than what we see today, we should keep in mind that Chinese have played a major role in destroying Indic cultures of Central Asia and have even led direct invasions of India with the help of the Tibetans and attempted to seize mainland Indian territory. I shall outline briefly the historical conflicts between China and India starting from the destruction of the satellite Indic civilizations in the Tarim region prior to the foundation of the Uighur Khanate.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[agnivayu]

There are no permanent friends or enemies, China could go either way and probably different ways at different times. A conflict between China and the Islamic world is likely to happen when the Chinese start getting involved in middle eastern politics as they become more oil dependent.

Muslims perceive them as infidels, so it won't take much provocation. The most likely scenario is when cold war 2 starts between the U.S. and CHina, China might be the new Soviet Union with possibly Soviet-Afghanistan style conflicts.

I think India will probably ally with the U.S. in the second cold war, India and the U.S. will be more or less equal partners (in terms of scale of power) after 2040 or so.

America's GDP will continue to be huge if not #1, even in 2050. America's population will probably level off at around 400 million, so with about 3 times the per capita, it's GDP might still be about equal to India and China in 2050.

[dhu]

Chinese do seem to be highly anti-islamic, although the reasons are unclear to me.

We can atribute the current 100 million crypto-christians in China as part of the cold war strategy. I do not think the Chinese have the capacity to mount another boxer rebellion after the extended communist rule. their vision seems to be limited only to territorial integrity and sovereignty.

[Guest]

- What do Indians think of China and its people and its economy?
- Do you think China and India can become friends or enemies?

I will write concerning what I know of Indians who follow Indian religions. In their minds, they separate between China's government and the Chinese people.

(A) Chinese people and Indians (Jains/Hindus/...):
Chinese have historically followed, and still overwhelmingly continue to follow, the spiritual/philosophical paths of Confucian, Tao and Buddhism. We greatly respect the Chinese for this. I have met many Taoist and Buddhist Chinese and they are all without exception of very high character. Politics plays no real part in our conversations. I think whatever we envision for state rule would be similar anyway. Their views on the oneness of life is similar to our own. Likewise, they have no sense of superiority or inferiority, that is, they have no racial beliefs or goals. (The Aryan Invasion Theory we labour under is upheld by everyone in the West; and in India by all except the self-respecting Hindu/Jain/...).

The question of whether Indians and Chinese people can become friends, has been answered affirmatively time and again by every Chinese person I've met. On a larger scale, I have to concur with whoever said we are natural allies.

We do, however, support Tibet. But even this should not be a problem, as every single Buddhist and Taoist Chinese family I've met does the same. When I asked one friend what use Tibet was to their government he said that it was part of early communist expansionism under Mao. That in effect it has nothing to do with China's aspirations today, other than that the government does now want to appear to go back on its old policies. He thinks that China will eventually release Tibet. No prediction of when.

(B) Personally, what I think of China's economy is as follows:
(1) If done properly, I find it refreshing to think that China might be the next superpower in a very short time.

I hope that in becoming so, China holds to its ancient Confucian/Tao/... principles and does not sink into the endless hole of communism and Christianity. Christianity will tear your country apart and destroy your civilization, as it has others. Communism will destroy your cilivization more slowly, though your country might be left intact.

What the Chinese government needs to know, and China's future generations must learn, is that China in the past was great because of its ancient principles. Through trial and error, its teachers of statesmanship, philosophy, etc, worked out the best way of life for its people. It inspired great minds, and will do so again and forever. It's a continuous process of adding to existing knowledge. It is against your country's interests to detach itself from its evolutionary character and to adopt alien ones that have done nothing for the world. Communism, for instance, has done nothing worthwhile for a single country. That China is coming up now is <i>not</i> because of communism - China's rise was inevitable.

(2) China's economy will continue to grow. What it does with the advantages it will bring is up to the nation. I hope it will do something lasting for the betterment of humanity.

The current superpower has done a lot of things, some which will go down in history: meddled with South American nations and supported dictators and genocides (Guatemala, El Salvador, the list is long). Its defense spending vs other spending shows what kind of superpower it is and the limits of what it can accomplish in the time that it has. It has grown to see itself and its people as better and of greater worth than all others. And in all of these actions, the US has cemented its eventual end as a superpower. Its tenure was not good by any standards. I think it's important to remember that to be a superpower one does not need to follow in the same footsteps as the US or the Brits before it.

For the Chinese themselves, it's best not to become dependent on the economic benefits and think only of living comfortably and continuing the status quo. Use them instead to pioneer in different avenues: physics, medicine, environmental reforms (including researching alternative fuels and biodegradable materials instead of the ones we use), space exploration.

During their industrial spurts, western countries have given but little thought to the future of the world. China, once it has got its seat in power, is not of a Christian character, so I am hopeful of great things even if current reports show that fuel emissions have become very high in major cities. Science is a very important field - the western world's progress has been held up by Christian opposition to science (as it continues to do with "Intelligent Design" theories). And the rest of the world has been held up by the west. China should have no such problems, as it is not Christian or Islamic.

(3) What I fear is China's communism. It might root out your character as a people, and you might end up with the same troubles and miseries as are facing the west today.
In India, communism is attempting to destroy who we are, as it has attempted to do to the Chinese. The Chinese government is sponsoring much communist movements in India and Nepal.

© Will China and India become friends or enemies:
The answer depends entirely on your country's government and that of ours. A communist Indian government will work India into the ground and we'll be useless. Although that would mean we won't be competing economically with China, it will nevertheless be a loss to you for many other reasons. As a superpower, China would have to deal with millions if not billions of useless and brainwashed communists in the same continent. Marxists export their terrorism elsewhere as evidenced by the Indian Maoists supporting the Nepalese Maoists in their bloody business. If our present communist government's support of Islam and Christianity and its fight to destroy Hinduism (this forum has lots of information on that) is successful, another future would be a country torn apart by Islamic and Christian terrorism. Nagaland, for instance, is a militant Christian state that promises to export their new religion to other parts of the country and eventually the world.

You must already know about Islam, to know what an Islamic-majority or Islam-in-control scenario would mean. A pan-Islamic movement, once it has the upperhand, is a serious destabilising force. Not only for the immediate region, but for the whole continent. It should not be underestimated, it will most certainly topple anything your country can become (barring scenarios where China drops bombs on the Indian subcontinent). China does not exist in a vacuum. The friends your government makes will determine the safety of your nation. Islam/communism/... are not reliable friends.

India is still Hindu in majority. Indian religions are not destabilising, because we don't proselytise (with the exception of the modern Hare Krishna movement of the US, which traditional Hindus have nothing to do with). Since Hinduism and Jainism are similar to Buddhism, you would already be familiar with the kinds of religion we have. India would make for a very useful ally: we are very loyal to friends. We hope for the best with China. Perhaps in the future, your government will realise the danger of supporting Pakistan, Islam and sponsoring communists in India. That in itself would earn a lot of gratitude from India and create a considerable foundation for frienship.

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Chinese do seem to be highly anti-islamic, although the reasons are unclear to me.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I myself was surprised to discover how knowledgeable the Chinese are about Islam. They know far more than I would have expected of people who had less interaction with the religion than India did.
The Chinese had to deal with Islamic Jihad expansionism in their southwest I think.
Around mid 20th century, the number of Muslims in China numbered 50 million. Don't know how many they are now.


The number of Christians in China, if the figures are true and not the usual evangelical hype, is a serious death knell for China. I can't imagine how they can check it from damaging their country if there's a 100 million. Maybe communism will somehow end Christianity and then collapse on itself, and then China can reemerge without difficulties.

[dhu]

Christians were enough of a force to nearly bring down the last chinese dynasty. Part of the Taiping agenda was to substitute bible study in place of the Confucian Classics for civil service exams. We can only imagine christian "potential" in china today.

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The <b>Taiping Rebellion (1851–1864) </b>was perhaps the bloodiest civil war in human history, a clash between the forces of the Qing Empire in China and those inspired by a Hakka self-proclaimed mystic named Hong Xiuquan, a Christian convert who had claimed that he was the new Messiah and younger brother of Jesus Christ.

[Guest]

is the fact that taiwan is christian the real reason why the west is pally with them?? they think of taiwan as china's North East if you know what i mean?

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Taiwan is not really Christian, Taiwan is supported in the same way as Pakistan is supported, to maintain a balance of power and/or to create a thorn in the side of a giant nation to keep them occupied.

According to the CIA factbook,
Religions:
Definition Field Listing
mixture of Buddhist, Confucian, and Taoist 93%, Christian 4.5%, other 2.5%

I think your theory will definetly apply in the case of the Phillipines, which is the evangelical role model for a Christian Asia, and also highly unlikely to happen.

BTW: I remember a BBC survey earlier this year, which showed world opinion on India, the most anti-India country besides Pakistan was the Phillipines. The Christian fanatics are very anti-Hindu and like to get into other people's business just as much as radical Islam.

[Guest]

Post 14:
I know several Taiwanese families settled here. They're all either Buddhist or Taoist. They speak of Taiwan as a country full of Buddhism and Taoism. Taiwan is not Christian, as Post 15 has said (of course, it <i>is</i> a Christian target). Otherwise it would be like every other run-down non-Western Christian nation by now.
Instead, it's a prosperous, peaceful, industrious country. Japan, not Christian, is a peaceful, prosperous country. Phillipines, largely Christian, is in a sad state. They could have been so much more. They can still be in future, they just need to shed Christianity.

Post 15:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->CIA factbook<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It's surprising how wrong or ignorant (or both) they are about most things. More surprising though, is that they are right about Taiwan.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/taiwan-20050407.htm
<b>Taiwan, the Vatican, and Hong Kong</b>
The Vatican appears to have struck a deal with China. Part of the deal requires the Vatican to no longer support Taiwan (where they weren't making any progress anyway, in the staunchly Taoist, Confucian, Buddhist land). Taiwan is better off in the end.
Though the Vatican is a powerful backer, their deal is a serious blow to the Chinese people. Vatican interference should put all Chinese on guard. I hope they realise what has started happening and will act on it. The Vatican carries a lot of weight in global politics and the media and throughout history it has toppled or attempted to topple governments.

The site (Project for the New American Century) is set up by Rumsfeld and other Americans who see a future where America will export its idea of 'democracy' (like how Bush got elected through unfair means the second time) and 'culture' (Coca Cola? Evangelical Christianity?) to the world using it's military strength. Something for the rest of the world to look forward to, no doubt.