Congress Undemocratic Ideology - 2

05-17-2006, 08:18 PM

Now, Congress plans two minority super panelsQUOTEEver since it returned to power leading the UPA, Congress is trying to win back the minorities, particularly the Muslims who had deserted the party, through various measures, including the appointment of a committee of the Prime Minister that is currently studying the social and educational status of Muslims. The new initiatives are part of these efforts.

The mandate of the first committee is to formulate Congressâ position regarding minority issues in a âsensitive and timelyâ manner, said party sources. This committee will have seniors such as A R Antulay, Ahmad Patel and Gulam Nabi Azad as members. There will be a Christian representative in Margaret Alva and also a Sikh MP.
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The AICC has a minority department headed by Imran Kidwai but the new super-body with its high-profile membership and mandate will for all practical purposes displace it. Kidwai, however, keeps his post and will be part of the new committees. Salman Khursheed, Mohsina Kidwai and C K Jaffar Sharif too are members

05-19-2006, 08:29 PM

QUOTEFernandes: Nehru lied about Netaji - By Our Correspondent
New Delhi, May 18: Former Union minister George Fernandes on Thursday said that the Justice M.K. Mukherjee Commission report has made it clear that former Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru had lied to the nation by making it believe that Netaji died in a plane crash.

Mr Fernandes said, "There are two reasons why Jawaharlal Nehru created this falsehood and sold it to the nation. One, his desire to establish a dynasty as rulers of the nation. The other was the fear that if it came to be known that Netaji was alive, Nehru will be sidelined." 

The Congress should know that the corrupt dynasty is now a foreign body, while Netaji will remain in the minds and hearts of the Indian people for all times, he added.

He further said: "It is but natural for the present leaders of the Congress party to reject the report of the Mukherjee Commission and continue with the fraud and the lies Nehru left behind." 
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05-23-2006, 12:30 AM

HRD Arjun Singh was on TV stating that the consipracy to kill Rajiv Gandhi hasn't been completely solved and govt will open this files again!!

Any merit to this or the old man completely lost it or is he diverting attention from his failed reservation cause?

Added later:
from ToI
QUOTEMDMA has just got its eighth extension â till May 2007 â but has not been able to submit even a preliminary report yet.

HRD minister Arjun Singh, who was the force behind setting up MDMA, says, "It's high time we in the government, who owe so much to Rajiv Gandhi, ensure that the facts, if any, behind the larger conspiracy of his assassination, be brought before the country."

A senior CBI official involved in the probe, says, "The investigation is at an advanced stage and we hope to reach a logical conclusion soon

ramana · (This post was last modified: 05-23-2006, 12:58 AM by ramana.)

Wonder about the British role in all this? Recall they were in charge and could have arranged with the Soviets to keep Netaji in Gulag for they feared he might make comeback. Also the INA trials were cancelled abruptly. Might be related to news about his whereabouts. The Cold War speech by Churchill and all might have come later. Can some one do a timeline on this?

The Congress might have went along for they feared they would be thrown out and also might have to account for all the compromises done to achieve Independence- Partition, loss of Sterling Reserves to UK and what not.

Sify has a satirical op-ed by Antara Dev Sen on the Justice Mukerjee report. Has lot of psyops but also some facts.

05-25-2006, 07:44 AM

After Muslim survey, now Christian one in BJP states is Antulayâs ideaQUOTENEW DELHI, MAY 24:When the Pope disapproved of laws he said were affecting religious freedom in some Indian states a few days back, the central government had reacted strongly.

But now the Congress-led government has asked the National Commission for Minorities (NCM) to conduct an âon the spot assessmentâ of complaints of atrocities on Christians in Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, and Rajasthan â all ruled by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). Gujarat, also ruled by the BJP, has been left out.

Laws against conversion are in place in Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh. In Rajasthan, a bill passed by the assembly in April awaits the governorâs assent.

Union Minister for Minority Affairs A.R. Antulay told The Indian Express that his ministry was concerned about the huge number of complaints from these states and had therefore decided to send a team for a reality check.

Antulay said the NCM team would submit report to his ministry.
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05-31-2006, 02:01 AM

QUOTERethink OoP Bill, Prez tells Govt 
Pioneer News Service | New Delhi
In a major loss of face for the UPA Government, President APJ Abdul Kalam on Tuesday returned to the consideration of Parliament a Bill seeking to exempt certain posts from the purview of 'office-of-profit' with retrospective effect.Â

The Parliament (Prevention of Disqualification) Amendment Bill 2006, Bill passed in the just-concluded session of Parliament, had exempted from the definition of office of profit 56 posts, including that of National Advisory Council Chairperson, a post earlier held by Congress president Sonia Gandhi. The President had received the Bill on May 25.

Sources said, the President decided to invoke his power under Article 111 of the Constitution to return a Government Bill after holding wide-ranging consultations with legal and constitutional experts. This was the first occasion when President Kalam has returned a Bill for reconsideration of Parliament.

Sources said that the President had sent the Bill to Speaker and chairman of the Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha, advising them to place the Bill for reconsideration in Parliament on two specific counts.

The President sought "comprehensive and generic" criteria and also that the criteria should be "fair and reasonable" and applicable in a "clear and transparent" manner across all the States and Union Territories.

Another point on which the President is said to have had reservations was about the propriety of applying the law with retrospective effect. The implication of including the names of offices for which petitions were already pending under process by the competent authority should also be addressed by Parliament while reconsidering the Bill, official sources said.

The BJP, which had opposed the passage of the Bill in Parliament, has described the President's decision as a "rap on the knuckles of the UPA Government". The party also urged the Election Commission to declare as vacant the seats of those who were sought to be protected by the legislation.

"The return of the Bill is a rap on the knuckles of the UPA Government which had converted unconstitutionality into a mode of governance. The BJP and NDA had opposed this law as violation of the Constitution," party spokesman Arun Jaitley said.

Alleging that the Bill was discriminatory, Jaitley said, "The law was immoral because Parliament was legislating not in public interest but in self-interest. There was no rationale why the law should have been made retrospective by 47 years from 1959."

The former Union Law Minister said the President had "rightly sent it back".

"The Election Commission must now swing into action and declare the seats of those who were sought to be protected by the Bill as vacant," he said.

Meanwhile, the Congress said that the President has every right to raise queries about any Bill sent to him by Parliament.

"This is a constitutional process. The President has the right to raise queries. Both the Houses of Parliament have the right to pass such Bills and the Government has the right to return the legislation again to the President. This is a constitutional process," party spokesperson Abhishek Singhvi said.

AICC secretary Tom Vadakkan said "it is a matter between President and the Government".

The controversial Bill exempted 56 posts including that of chairperson of National Advisory Council, a post held by Congress president Sonia Gandhi who had resigned from Lok Sabha and got re-elected from Rae Bareli and Sriniketan-Santiniketan Development Authority headed by Lok Sabha Speaker Somnath Chatterjee.

Other offices exempted include UP Development Council headed by Samajwadi Party leader Amar Singh and the now-defunct All India Council of Sports earlier headed by BJP leader VK Malhotra with retrospective effect.

The Tirumala Tirupathi Devasthanams Board, the Indira Gandhi National Centre for Arts and the Indian Council for Cultural Relations were among 56 organisations exempted under the Bill. Union Minister T Subbirami Reddy, Kapila Vatsyayan and senior Congress leader Karan Singh had headed the three bodies respectively.

The organisations included 14 from West Bengal alone, many of which are headed by MPs of CPI(M) which is a key outside supporter of the Congress-led UPA Government at the Centre. Trinamool Congress had petitioned the President seeking the disqualification of ten CPI(M) MPs, including the Lok Sabha Speaker.

In essence, the Bill provides that the members who are currently holding offices of profit under the Central Government or any (individuals holding known and listed "offices") shall not be disqualified from being members of Parliament since Parliament has retrospectively declared by law that the office of profit they so hold would not disqualify the holder.

Legal experts had also criticised the Bill claiming that it violated the spirit of Article 102 (1) of the Indian Constitution

**acharya** · (This post was last modified: 06-09-2006, 05:01 AM by acharya.)

Friday, June 09, 2006

Sonia Gandhi, Singh double-act makes good theatre

By Simon Denyer

Manmohan Singhâs government announces a steep rise in fuel prices. His own Congress party opposes it, and its president appeals for a partial reversal of a decision she must have been consulted over. Two years into Congress-led rule in India, the Italian-born Congress leader Sonia Gandhi has created an enviable position for herself - plenty of power, but very little responsibility when things go wrong. Prime Minister Singh, by contrast, sometimes looks like a man struggling to assert his authority. âIt is a very well-thought-out strategy,â said Political Analyst Yashwant Deshmukh.

âRight from day one of this government, whatever it does which is good for the poor, it is done by the party headed by Gandhi. Whatever bad things, they are done by the government, headed by Manmohan Singh.â Gandhi set herself up as champion of the âaam admiâ, or common man. But at the same time she promoted a reformist economist to act as her prime minister, conscious that the country could not turn its back on the global economy.

âShe is not anti-reform, she is pro-reform,â said Political Analyst Mahesh Rangarajan. âBut she is left-of-centre on social and cultural issues.â This weekâs nervous response by Congress to the fuel price hike is also indicative of just how damaging it could be to the party, analysts say. The economy may be growing at more than eight percent a year, but this is no guarantee of electoral success. Reuters

06-09-2006, 09:01 PM

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The PM has underperformed. What chance has he now?

6 June 2006: Letâs for a moment think for the prime minister, although we no longer set much store by Manmohan Singh, nor expect terrific delivery in the remaining three years of his term. Yesterday, his aides put out that the PM was very upset with the slack in reforms, and one consequence of it is a hike in petrol and diesel prices, despite the Leftâs opposition. How much chance does Manmohan have in whatâs left of his primeministership?

The PM has four oppositions or factors to deal with, the opposition to him is rather mixed, the only formal opposition, the BJP-NDA, does not really oppose him but opposes the Congress president, Sonia Gandhi, and to the extent that Manmohan Singh faces flak by association, there is no remedy. On a personal level, the BJP is not his real opposition, although it is fair to say the BJP is no opposition at all.

Sonia is a factor more than an opposition, a big factor, a key factor, whatever. The disadvantage is she knows little about politics and next to nothing about governance, both are proven by how the UPA lurches from one crisis to another, even as the anti-reservation issue simmered, the office-of-profit controversy broke loose. >From what appears, the Congress president does not think long term of Congress interests, she does not know better, if she had, she would never have permitted Arjun Singh to fool with OBC quotas, OBCs never having supported the party and never likely to.

Unable and unwilling to think long term, Sonia counts her blessings that the UPA government survives, but day-to-day survival needs kill the vision thing, so the PM cannot expect that from her. Anyhow, she doesnât pretend she has vision to contribute, so there, Manmohan Singh has to fall upon his own devices. The trouble is because Sonia does not understand a thing â yes, it boils down to that â she is hostage to every idea that has a vote potential, or rather, every idea that is sold as such, while she may hook to the idea, the agenda of the seller usually escapes her notice.

One does not know how good are her aides in detecting a good from a rotten idea, not very good it would seem from the record so far, but what it does is every bad idea that clears 10 Janpath inevitably chokes up the government, obstructs any vision that the PM may have. So while Sonia Gandhi may be entirely well intentioned towards Manmohan Singh, the fact that she remains a foreigner to Indian politics and governance after all these years, decades, actually hurts the PMâs chances to do any good.

The second factor or opposition is Manmohan Singhâs cabinet. While it is all very well for PMO aides to whisper the PMâs get tough attitude to the media â why do you have to whisper it, though? â the reality is the cabinet is split. To talk power talk, the split is not ideological or about higher things, and the split is worst among the Congress highbinders in the cabinet. If the buzz is to be believed, Arjun is rooting for almost anybody to replace Manmohan, and if Pranab stands a chance, then Pranab it is. Naturally, with support coming from unexpected quarters, Pranab then preens as the PM-to-be.

See how the game plays out, it is going to be the half-term, when public opinion classically turns against the government. Arjun Singhâs revolt against Manmohan has become open, he wonât give up unless he is thrown out of the government, and nobody seems to be in any hurry to do it. Indeed, on the very weekend that the PM was letting out his get-tough attitude, there was a very strong buzz that he was going. So it is hard to say what will happen, whether he will last with his new reformist zeal, or it is back to the old shuffling, or we get a schmuck in his place. It is anybodyâs guess.

The third opposition comes from the Left, especially the central leadership of the CPI-M, whose faces are Prakash Karat (note, his pictures are always smiling), his wife, Brinda, and the neo-Mandalite, Sitaram Yechury. When Manmohanâs aides gave the rationale for reforms, they pointed to the CPI-M governments in West Bengal and Kerala which would need them to run solvent, modern and development-oriented administrations. True, but whatâs good for West Bengal and Kerala is not good for the rest of the country, not for the CPI-M central leadership, because the party is not in power there.

This is simplicity itself. In West Bengal and Kerala, the state party units have gone beyond politics to power economics, because they are in power. But Karat & Co operate in a region/ situation of power deprivation, they want power in North India and elsewhere where they are zero. So it is a return to base politics, Mandal II, communalization of foreign policy to attract minority votes, obstructive trade unionism, and putting roadblocks against reforms. In this politicking, the anti-Manmohan Singh group in the Congress is a party, and they have a common agenda of ousting him. If Manmohan Singh subjugates himself, that is fine by the Left, the Congress section wants him out at any cost.

So this is how the road looks ahead for Manmohan Singh. In these two years, the PM has underperformed, he gave himself six out of ten in the first year and refrained from any self-assessment in the second, we would go out and give him four upon ten, just pass marks. Sonia Gandhi is only interested in survival, Arjun Singh & Co are on overdrive to oust Manmohan Singh, the Left wants to bind him to its backwardness to advance its own power project. And the BJP, even if it has no ill feeling against Manmohan Singh, cannot be expected to openly back his policies or indeed his person. Why should it?

So what should Manmohan Singh do? Since he is a single-term PM, and he has said so, and because Sonia Gandhi cannot think beyond the here and now, this is Manmohan Singhâs last opportunity to prove himself. If he goes, pushed out for his great and grand vision for India, that is still worth than remaining a mousy PM for five years. And there lies a secret. The more statesmanlike, visionary risks he takes, the bolder he strikes against his detractors, being the real tough guy than the present paper tiger, who whispers via aides to the media, he may yet surprise himself.

But do we hope?

Not anymore.

06-09-2006, 10:29 PM

QUOTESonia is a factor more than an opposition, a big factor, a key factor, whatever. The disadvantage is she knows little about politics and next to nothing about governance, both are proven by how the UPA lurches from one crisis to another, even as the anti-reservation issue simmered, the office-of-profit controversy broke loose. >From what appears, the Congress president does not think long term of Congress interests, she does not know better, if she had, she would never have permitted Arjun Singh to fool with OBC quotas, OBCs never having supported the party and never likely to.

And she is ruling country. Reliable sources are suggesting briliant quota idea came from Rahul Gandhi's lap top while he working on excel sheet.
Now one can understand how fast these two can screw India.

06-09-2006, 10:34 PM

QUOTE(Capt Manmohan Kumar @ Jun 9 2006, 09:01 PM)<!--emo& Sad

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The PM has underperformed. What chance has he now?

6 June 2006: Letâs for a moment think for the prime minister, although we no longer set much store by Manmohan Singh, nor expect terrific delivery in the remaining three years of his term. Yesterday, his aides put out that the PM was very upset with the slack in reforms, and one consequence of it is a hike in petrol and diesel prices, despite the Leftâs opposition. How much chance does Manmohan have in whatâs left of his primeministership?

The PM has four oppositions or factors to deal with, the opposition to him is rather mixed, the only formal opposition, the BJP-NDA, does not really oppose him but opposes the Congress president, Sonia Gandhi, and to the extent that Manmohan Singh faces flak by association, there is no remedy. On a personal level, the BJP is not his real opposition, although it is fair to say the BJP is no opposition at all.

Sonia is a factor more than an opposition, a big factor, a key factor, whatever. The disadvantage is she knows little about politics and next to nothing about governance, both are proven by how the UPA lurches from one crisis to another, even as the anti-reservation issue simmered, the office-of-profit controversy broke loose. >From what appears, the Congress president does not think long term of Congress interests, she does not know better, if she had, she would never have permitted Arjun Singh to fool with OBC quotas, OBCs never having supported the party and never likely to.

Unable and unwilling to think long term, Sonia counts her blessings that the UPA government survives, but day-to-day survival needs kill the vision thing, so the PM cannot expect that from her. Anyhow, she doesnât pretend she has vision to contribute, so there, Manmohan Singh has to fall upon his own devices. The trouble is because Sonia does not understand a thing â yes, it boils down to that â she is hostage to every idea that has a vote potential, or rather, every idea that is sold as such, while she may hook to the idea, the agenda of the seller usually escapes her notice.

One does not know how good are her aides in detecting a good from a rotten idea, not very good it would seem from the record so far, but what it does is every bad idea that clears 10 Janpath inevitably chokes up the government, obstructs any vision that the PM may have. So while Sonia Gandhi may be entirely well intentioned towards Manmohan Singh, the fact that she remains a foreigner to Indian politics and governance after all these years, decades, actually hurts the PMâs chances to do any good.

The second factor or opposition is Manmohan Singhâs cabinet. While it is all very well for PMO aides to whisper the PMâs get tough attitude to the media â why do you have to whisper it, though? â the reality is the cabinet is split. To talk power talk, the split is not ideological or about higher things, and the split is worst among the Congress highbinders in the cabinet. If the buzz is to be believed, Arjun is rooting for almost anybody to replace Manmohan, and if Pranab stands a chance, then Pranab it is. Naturally, with support coming from unexpected quarters, Pranab then preens as the PM-to-be.

See how the game plays out, it is going to be the half-term, when public opinion classically turns against the government. Arjun Singhâs revolt against Manmohan has become open, he wonât give up unless he is thrown out of the government, and nobody seems to be in any hurry to do it. Indeed, on the very weekend that the PM was letting out his get-tough attitude, there was a very strong buzz that he was going. So it is hard to say what will happen, whether he will last with his new reformist zeal, or it is back to the old shuffling, or we get a schmuck in his place. It is anybodyâs guess.

The third opposition comes from the Left, especially the central leadership of the CPI-M, whose faces are Prakash Karat (note, his pictures are always smiling), his wife, Brinda, and the neo-Mandalite, Sitaram Yechury. When Manmohanâs aides gave the rationale for reforms, they pointed to the CPI-M governments in West Bengal and Kerala which would need them to run solvent, modern and development-oriented administrations. True, but whatâs good for West Bengal and Kerala is not good for the rest of the country, not for the CPI-M central leadership, because the party is not in power there.

This is simplicity itself. In West Bengal and Kerala, the state party units have gone beyond politics to power economics, because they are in power. But Karat & Co operate in a region/ situation of power deprivation, they want power in North India and elsewhere where they are zero. So it is a return to base politics, Mandal II, communalization of foreign policy to attract minority votes, obstructive trade unionism, and putting roadblocks against reforms. In this politicking, the anti-Manmohan Singh group in the Congress is a party, and they have a common agenda of ousting him. If Manmohan Singh subjugates himself, that is fine by the Left, the Congress section wants him out at any cost.

So this is how the road looks ahead for Manmohan Singh. In these two years, the PM has underperformed, he gave himself six out of ten in the first year and refrained from any self-assessment in the second, we would go out and give him four upon ten, just pass marks. Sonia Gandhi is only interested in survival, Arjun Singh & Co are on overdrive to oust Manmohan Singh, the Left wants to bind him to its backwardness to advance its own power project. And the BJP, even if it has no ill feeling against Manmohan Singh, cannot be expected to openly back his policies or indeed his person. Why should it?

So what should Manmohan Singh do? Since he is a single-term PM, and he has said so, and because Sonia Gandhi cannot think beyond the here and now, this is Manmohan Singhâs last opportunity to prove himself. If he goes, pushed out for his great and grand vision for India, that is still worth than remaining a mousy PM for five years. And there lies a secret. The more statesmanlike, visionary risks he takes, the bolder he strikes against his detractors, being the real tough guy than the present paper tiger, who whispers via aides to the media, he may yet surprise himself.

But do we hope?

Not anymore.
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Can you add the link to the source please?

Thanks

06-09-2006, 10:44 PM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Jun 9 2006, 10:29 PM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTESonia is a factor more than an opposition, a big factor, a key factor, whatever. The disadvantage is she knows little about politics and next to nothing about governance, both are proven by how the UPA lurches from one crisis to another, even as the anti-reservation issue simmered, the office-of-profit controversy broke loose. >From what appears, the Congress president does not think long term of Congress interests, she does not know better, if she had, she would never have permitted Arjun Singh to fool with OBC quotas, OBCs never having supported the party and never likely to.

And she is ruling country. Reliable sources are suggesting briliant quota idea came from Rahul Gandhi's lap top while he working on excel sheet.
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Mudy

Where did you read this?

I knew that Arjun Singh is only a pawn in the diabolical plan ITALIAN MAFIA out to divide Indians especially Hindus so that they can fight among themselves. The ITALIAN MAFIA is killing 2 birds with one arrow:

1. Indians FIGHT among themselves eventually destroying the national strength.
2. Hindus FIGHT - can promote CASTE WARS and weaken Indian nationalism
3. Higher Education suffers - What better way to Kill the rise of India.
4. Does not really benefit any Poor - all will be pocketed by well off OBC with resources without really affecting any poor people.

A lot of people I spoke who are professors in IIT blame Arjun Singh while the SHROUD is secretly laughing Her A** OFF at stupid Indians who are blaming boot-licker ARJUN and thanking COMMIES and anti-national journalist who are OUT to DESTROY INDIA.

The bumbling RSS/VHP and BJP LOSERS are figthing among themselves while an ITALIAN anti-national foreign MAFIA is slowly destroying India as a whole with the help of enuch MMS and losers such as ARJUN singh.

I hope Supreme Court intervenes and puts a STOP to this non-sense.

06-09-2006, 10:52 PM

QUOTE(Mudy @ May 19 2006, 08:29 PM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEFernandes: Nehru lied about Netaji - By Our Correspondent
New Delhi, May 18: Former Union minister George Fernandes on Thursday said that the Justice M.K. Mukherjee Commission report has made it clear that former Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru had lied to the nation by making it believe that Netaji died in a plane crash.

Mr Fernandes said, "There are two reasons why Jawaharlal Nehru created this falsehood and sold it to the nation. One, his desire to establish a dynasty as rulers of the nation. The other was the fear that if it came to be known that Netaji was alive, Nehru will be sidelined." 

The Congress should know that the corrupt dynasty is now a foreign body, while Netaji will remain in the minds and hearts of the Indian people for all times, he added.

He further said: "It is but natural for the present leaders of the Congress party to reject the report of the Mukherjee Commission and continue with the fraud and the lies Nehru left behind." 
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not only that, the barmaid led congress is now deliberately trying to obliterate netaji's name from indian school books.

PS: it would be a good idea if meanwhile this forum decided to de-merge the netaji related posts from the "history of bengal" thread and revive the old thread. i will be adding pictures of Netaji's birthplace in Cuttack soon.

06-09-2006, 10:58 PM

QUOTE(ramana @ May 23 2006, 12:56 AM)Wonder about the British role in all this? Recall they were in charge and could have arranged with the Soviets to keep Netaji in Gulag for they feared he might make comeback. Also the INA trials were cancelled abruptly. Might be related to news about his whereabouts. The Cold War speech by Churchill and all might have come later. Can some one do a timeline on this?

The Congress might have went along for they feared they would be thrown out and also might have to account for all the compromises done to achieve Independence- Partition, loss of Sterling Reserves to UK and what not.

SifyÂ has a satirical op-ed by Antara Dev Sen on the Justice Mukerjee report. Has lot of psyops but also some facts.
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i think the role was nehru's - russia wanted badly at that time to set up soviet style countries all over the post colonial world. nehru could have made a pact with stalin to keep Netaji detained, in return he would become russia's "chamcha" (ater being the "Chamcha in chief" of gandhi, all his life!!)

is it true that it is recorded in the minutes of the parliamentary sessions in england, they had discussed the dangers presented by Netaji, a few months AFTER the supposed "crash" that killed Netaji???

the crash is all bogus irrespective of what the congress says - the confirmation comming from the US of A - they have some sort of research body which publishes data about all crashed planes, sunk ships and soldiers of WW2 who went missing in action - and there tey clearly stated that no such plane crash ever took place.

06-09-2006, 11:11 PM

QUOTE(vijayk @ Jun 9 2006, 10:44 PM)are blaming boot-licker ARJUN


yup !!!

india is a LICKOCRACY !!!

thats one of the chief contributions of jokerlal.

he introduced lickocracy to the world. he made it to the throne beating the likes of Netaji and Patel by licking the naked fakir's bottom.

meanwhile all other ministers in his cabinet preserved their chair, by licking his bottom. all except S.P.Mukherjee that is, who walked out, realising what Nehru was doing to the country.

but the lickocracy continued. generations of indian ministers have made it to cabinet level posts and then retained their chairs by giving the then availalbe nehru-gandhi bottom a serious lick.

to this day, we are a lickocracy and the only way our ministers know how to measure how good they are as ministers is by measuring how good of a boot/bottom licker they are. the day the barmaid rejected the prime ministership made this secret come out in the open when all elected MP's lined up in parliament and fawned sonia all they could.

i remember jayanti natarajan earning her keep in the congress party by fighting tooth and nail on one of NDTV's "talk shows" against the "vicious attack" (as she described it) that the BJP carried out against the barmaid and her mafia origins. i also remember the academy award winning performance (of crying) that renuka chowdhry put up in parliament, imploring the biblical ass to NOT give up the primi ministership.

even after this quota fiasco happened, arjun singh said in a interview "everyone knows how much admiration and respect i have for sonia gandhi" - yeah what better way to ensure that he ratains the hrd minister's portfolio, than please his firang (even nehru was a firang, by his own admission to the american nobel laureate economist and ambassador to india Galbraith) opus dei cum mafia boss.

06-09-2006, 11:33 PM

QUOTE(ramana @ May 23 2006, 12:56 AM)
SifyÂ has a satirical op-ed by Antara Dev Sen on the Justice Mukerjee report. Has lot of psyops but also some facts.
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i just read it and its anythign but satirical - its deadly serious when it lists out the "facts" at the end of page 1.

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14208549

then i googled "alfred wagg" and this is what i found in an article by anuj dhar - http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/special.../day7main.shtml

06-10-2006, 12:00 AM

QUOTEPS: it would be a good idea if meanwhile this forum decided to de-merge the netaji related posts from the "history of bengal" thread and revive the old thread. i will be adding pictures of Netaji's birthplace in Cuttack soon. 
On weekend I will seperate thread, in case I don't just create picture thread and later with time we will sort out this problem.

06-10-2006, 12:07 AM

thanks very much.

all we need to do is this -

1) create a thread called "Netaji" again, with any netaji related article as the first post.

2) by tommorow night i will send you a pm, naming the "post numbers" of all the "netaji" posts, which now lie in the "history of bengal" thread. you just have to move those posts to the newly created Netaji thread.

3) i have noticed very important netaji related posts in other threads (like for example this one) as well. i will let you know their post numbers and thread titles too as soon as i can. please move those posts as well, to the new Netaji thread.

meanwhile members could read the articles in the hindustan times link i supplied two posts ago. the articles there are clinching and disturbing.

Bharatvarsh · 06-13-2006, 11:25 PM

QUOTESonia upset over plight of Muslims
Press Trust Of India
Posted Monday , June 12, 2006 at 22:03
Updated Monday , June 12, 2006 at 22:14 EmailÂ Print

New Delhi: The "under-representation" of Muslims in public employment and public life was "unacceptable", Congress President Sonia Gandhi said on Monday.

The poor representation of Muslims "retards" the country's overall progress.

"The Constitution protects and upholds their religious, cultural and educational rights. At the same time and as an open and mature society, we need to accept that there is a gap between rights in law and their realisation in practice," she said after inaugurating the India Islamic Cultural Cente in Delhi.

She said that the poor development of a majority of Muslims was a matter of concern in terms of equity and social justice, and "so is its under-representation in a modern society".

"Differentiations of this kind are unacceptable in a modern society. They retard the overall progress of India itself," she said.

Two committees are currently studying the status of Muslims in the country. A committee set up by the Prime Minister will report on their social, economic and educational status and suggest policy interventions.

The Planning Commission Plan will identify areas of special inputs in its 11th Plan.

Sonia Gandhi said the challenge was to generate awareness of the problems that exist, discuss issues rather than brush them under the carpet, explore equitable and cooperative solutions, reduce levels of deprivation and solve the problems of women and children.

The IICC has listed one of its objectives was "to remove misunderstanding about Islam", but this signals a somewhat defensive and limited approach because it puts Islam in the category of the 'other'.

"The country, despite demographic percentages, was neither Hindu, nor Sikh nor Christian nor Buddhist and yet belongs to adherents of each one of these faiths and of many more. This was, as Maulana Azad put it, India's historic destiny".

Institutions like the IICC have to play an important role in promoting this culture and to cooperate with the Government in improving the socio-economic condition of Mulslims and other minorities, said Gandhi.
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/a-powerful-sho...ra/12830-3.html
Since when did gov't set up instituitions to remove misconceptions about religions, I never heard of the Indian gov't setting up any commission for removing misconceptions about Hinduism and whose fault is it that Muslims are underrepresented?, last time I checked others like the Sikhs or Parsis had no problems and are doing quite well in all fields (infact much better compared to Hindus) so let us have a commission to monitor why Hindus are doing poorer than Sikhs in terms of wealth and education and let's have reservations for Hindus.

06-14-2006, 02:55 AM

QUOTESonia upset over plight of Muslims

The IICC has listed one of its objectives was "to remove misunderstanding about Islam", but this signals a somewhat defensive and limited approach because it puts Islam in the category of the 'other'.



For once, I do agree with IICC that there are lot of misunderstanding about islam and it is the duty of evey hindu to remove such misconceptions like..
1. Islam is a religion and not a cult
2. Islam is peaceful
3. Terrorists are just the fringe elements of islam
4. Islam inspires indian muslims to be patriotic

etc..

**acharya** · (This post was last modified: 06-16-2006, 09:48 PM by acharya.)

Dangerous signals

M V KAMATH

It is painful to say so, but it has to be said before it is too late. The Congress-led UPA government is leading the country into a mess from which, if immediate action is not taken, it may become very hard to extricate ourselves. This is stated more in sadness than in anger. To the ordinary citizen it is not which party is in power but which party is exerting to keep the people together in the pursuit of peace, prosperity and national unity above all.

In this regard the Congress failure is writ all over it face. And the reaction is, to state it in plain terms, frightening. National unity is not achieved through dividing society into castes ï¿½ forward, backward or scheduled. It is not achieved by insisting on reservations to particular castes or communities not only in educational institutions but even in private enterprises. That is not government. That is plain dictatorship. It only spurs deep resentment and discontent among people to no one's advantage. To openly talk about increased appointment of Muslims in the Armed Forces is to make Muslims more conscious of their religious attachments and create a sense of unwantedness in their minds. Alienation among Muslims is growing to the point that in Uttar Pradesh, a group of Muslim outfits have launched their own Islamic political party misleadingly called Peoples' Democratic Front. Their charge is that all these years Muslims have been treated as a vote bank by various political parties and they will not stand it any longer. Muslim separatism is raising its ugly head all over again. It may be worth remembering that the last time the Leftists were in power in Kerala they helped redraw district boundaries so that within the State there will be at least one district which has a Muslim majority. Now a section of Muslims in Andhra Pradesh is demanding that should the State be further divided with the creation of Telangana, then Hyderabad city must be given the status of a City State, presumably with a Muslim majority.

People have stopped thinking of themselves as Indians. They are coming to think of themselves as Muslims or members of this or that community. Even as the proposed Peoples' Democratic Front was getting organised, its self-appointed chairman, Maulana Kalbe Jawwad, a prominent Shia cleric was talking of how the Uttar Pradesh government of Mulayam Singh Yadav was biased. As Jawwad saw the situation, in recent times as many as 1,800 constables were recruited by the State of whom nearly 1,000 were Yadavs and only 30 (thirty) Muslims. Jawwad is reported as saying: 'If the 7 per cent Yadavs in the State and 12 per cent Dalits can occupy power in Uttar Pradesh, why can't the 22 per cent Muslims do so?' This exclusiveness is spreading and is getting the support of important Muslim leaders like the Shahi Imam of Delhi's Jama Masjid, Ahmed Bukhari who has been named as the PDF's patron. At this rate we will soon have parties not based on economic ideologies, but on caste, creed and religion. The move to form a separate Islamic political party should not be treated lightly. The message will spread fast. Attending the meeting held to establish the PDF were some important Muslim leaders like the Imam of Masjid Teela Shah, president of the Jamat-e-Islami, president of the Majlis-e-Mashawarat, president of the All-India Muslim Forum, president of Parcham Party and president of the Indian National Muslim League. The original Muslim League led by M A Jinnah went about systematically to destroy the unity of India that eventually led to partition, wholesale bloodshed and ethnic cleansing in what became Pakistan and that decades-old hatred has still not died out. What the PDF will do is anybody's guess. But the nation is warned.

The Muslim League did poorly in the 1937 elections to the Legislative Assemblies. It is also true that in the late thirties and early forties it was the British Raj that was in power which encouraged Islamic separatism. But when Muslims continue to think of themselves as a neglected minority and apply themselves to the task of demanding all sorts of benefits, rightly or wrongly, the nation will be forced to pay a heavy price. Minoritism is an evil that should under no circumstances be tolerated. Caste or religion-based political parties should be immediately banned. They are a menace to the unity of India.

The UPA government has stooped to such a low level of politicising religion that the Union Minister for Minority Affairs, A R Antulay seems determined to impart - or impose - minority status on Jains, who have not even asked for it. As recently as August 2005, a Supreme Court Bench comprising of then Chief Justice R C Lahoti and Justices D M Dharmadhikari and P K Balasubramanyam had directed the national and State-level Minority Commissions to find ways of first reducing and ultimately ending the listing of notified minorities, rather than increasing them. In India there are no minorities. There are only Indians.

And any political party based on religious grounds must be immediately banned, no matter under what misleading title it is formed. The trouble is that the Congress appears to have lost all sense of direction. Knowing what led to partition, the Congress should have been the first to discourage minoritism under any guise. Even to have a Minority Ministry is itself symbolic of a mindset out to divide people. The PDF wants to know how come so few Muslims were chosen as constables in Uttar Pradesh. It should have first checked out how many Muslims did, in fact, apply for the jobs in the constabulary and of them how many were eligible. It is sixty years since India became free. In these sixty years what did the Muslim leadership do to create jobs for Muslims? Was it necessary to set up madrassahs in every town and village when the demand is increasingly not for knowing how many passages from the Quran one can recite but how good is the youngster at Mathematics? When will Muslims understand that to get on in life one must get on with modernity?

The UPA government must spend lavishly on setting up primary schools and encourage every low-income family to send its sons and daughters to get higher education by providing financial incentives. In due course ï¿½ say, a couple of decades ï¿½ minority students, so-called, will be able to gain self-confidence and get seats in institutes of higher learning in their own rights. For a nation some 10,000 years old, a couple of decades count for nothing. An earnest prayer to the UPA is: Kindly stop dividing people. It is unbecoming of you. The British in their time did it and we know with what consequences. Let it not be said that like the Bourbons, the Congress has learnt nothing and forgotten nothing. This is not a party matter. It deals with the very essence of national unity and concerns all of us determined to stop further divisions of the country.

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