India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges

Bharatvarsh · 07-13-2006, 09:47 PM

QUOTEIsrael imposes Lebanon blockade

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_...175160.stm

Israel hits Palestinian ministry

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_...175002.stm

Lebanon seeks Israeli ceasefire

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_...177178.stm
All this for the abudction of 2 soldiers while the Indian gov't is still busy issuing statements after the death of nearly 200 people.

07-13-2006, 10:04 PM

QUOTEAll this for the abudction of 2 soldiers while the Indian gov't is still busy issuing statements after the death of nearly 200 people.
Difference between proud and "in coma" civilization.

<b>Israel bombards Beirut amid spiraling attacks</b>

07-13-2006, 11:21 PM

Well said Mudy. Its not MMS alone. Its us. We cloak our cowardice and indifference in nice looking terms like 'resilience' - perhaps Gandhi recognized this and used ahimsa to get the cowardly hindus out on streets or they wouldnt even have bothered.

The one thing that perhaps saved us for the last millenium was we were atleast producing enough babies (as GS would say) but now we find even that too much of a hassle.

We are a decaying civilization no doubt.

Bharatvarsh · 07-13-2006, 11:29 PM

On the day of the blasts there were some brief talks with some Mumbai people on the news, both of these people were upper/middle class Mumbai women and their response was "Mumbai will go on, we shall move on, hope no riots happen, anyone who knows Mumbaites knows that we are tough bla bla bla...", nowhere was there a call to action or a demand that the gov't stop the crappy peace process and bring the criminals to the book or anything, same old rubbish. There is no point in blaming MMS, as we Hindus say "Yatha Raja, Tatha Praja".

07-13-2006, 11:41 PM

QUOTE(acharya @ Jul 27 2004, 04:00 AM)Gandhi said that "Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English.â

"Gandhi on Zionismâ
He stated unequivocally that it was "wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct." Gandhi bluntly described the idea of handing over Palestine to the Jews as a "crime against humanity."


he is not called Muhamed Gandhi for nothing.

But this gives us a chance. assuming these quotes are true, I shall take every oppertunity to let the jewish media and watchdog bodies like the ADL know just how anti semitic gandhi was. Which should drive a nail of two in his "maha-atma"-ghati" halo.

Bharatvarsh · 07-14-2006, 12:54 AM

What right do these buffoons have to condemn anyone when they can't even protect Indian citizens:
QUOTEIndia condemns capture of Israeli soldiers
[ 13 Jul, 2006 2158hrs ISTPTI ]

NEW DELHI: Concerned over the escalating tension in West Asia, India on Thursday condemned the "excessive and disproportionate" Israeli military action targeting civilian infrastructure, including Beirut airport, and asked all parties to eschew violence.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/artic...748463.cms
They want to make Israel take to charkha spinning along with them.

07-14-2006, 01:16 AM

Impotent Buffons of India want to make Israel an impotent society.
Well done Isreal, good going.
QUOTE<b>Israel shows the way </b>
Nadim Ladki/ Reuters | Beirut
Attacks Lebanon in hot pursuit of cross-border terrorists ---- Israel struck Beirut airport and blockaded Lebanese ports on Thursday, expanding reprisals that killed 52 civilians in Lebanon since Hizbullah captured two Israeli soldiers and killed eight a day earlier. The Lebanese Shia Muslim group retaliated by raining rockets onto towns in northern Israel.Â Â

Israel's Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said that it had information that Lebanese guerrillas who captured two Israeli soldiers were trying to transfer them to Iran.

A woman was killed and 29 people were wounded, including children, in Nahariya, Israeli medics said. Eleven people were wounded in the northern town of Safed.

The violence was the fiercest since 1996 when Israeli troops still occupied part of south Lebanon. It coincided with a major Israeli offensive into the Gaza Strip to retrieve a captured soldier and halt Palestinian rocket fire.

US President Bush voiced concern about the fate of Lebanon's anti-Syrian Government, but offered no direct criticism of the punishment Israel is meting out.

<b>"Israel has the right to defend herself," he said in Germany. "Secondly, whatever Israel does should not weaken the Government in Lebanon." </b>

Despite the flare-up in Lebanon, Israel signaled no let-up in its Gaza assault, mounting an air strike that destroyed the office of Palestinian Foreign Minister Mahmoud al-Zahar. At least 24 Palestinians were killed in Gaza on Wednesday.

Israeli aircraft bombed runways at Beirut's international airport, forcing flights to divert to Cyprus.

An Israeli military spokesman announced a naval blockade of Lebanese ports. Israeli vessels were visible from the shore.

A Beirut port official said ships had docked early in the day, but that the Israelis had prevented some from leaving.

A senior Israeli officer told Reuters the air and sea blockade would be maintained throughout what he said would be a prolonged offensive against Hizbollah guerrillas in Lebanon.

"We should not consider this a matter of days," said Brigadier-General Amir Eshel, deputy chief of air force staff. "This blockade will last as long as the conflict goes on."

07-14-2006, 07:57 PM

Post 107:
I wish we would wake up and learn from Israel and not take everything lying down. They are willing to fight to survive. We, on the other hand, see the mower coming for us and we lie down to make the job easier for it.

Israel's decision to act here, in spite of the eternally anti-Israel world opinion, has made me elated. I am living vicariously through their willingness to defend themselves and am glad to know that at least they will sooner die fighting than become an Islamic 'paradise'. Somewhere in this world there is a country that is not ashamed to realise that Islam means constant aggression and that the Jihad shouldn't remain unanswered. Here's to Israel, may it never allow a 5th pillar in its midst (we have allowed 3).

07-14-2006, 10:44 PM

Hindus, because of larger number doesnât realize danger from external forces. They are suffering from Stockholm syndrome. There is a false sense of security or imagination that others die. Israel or Jews, it is a question of survival. On TV when interviewer asked Israeli woman, who was carrying small baby, what do you think it is worth to attack Gaza or Lebanon for 2 soldiers? Her answer was, today it is somebody else baby, tomorrow it will be mine, I will ask my government to bring back my baby.

Meantime Israelis are creating jobs for construction companies in Lebanon.
<b>Israelis continue bombardment of Beirut </b>

<b>US vetoes UN demand that Israel leave Gaza</b> <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/specool.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='specool.gif' />
QUOTETen of the council's 15 member-nations voted in favor of the resolution, while the United States cast the sole "no" vote. Four countries abstained -- Britain, Denmark, Peru and Slovakia.

07-14-2006, 11:02 PM

<b>Report: Israel destroys Hezbollah HQ</b> <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/specool.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='specool.gif' />

Bharatvarsh · 07-14-2006, 11:07 PM

Atleast I can get some satisfaction in watching Israel bomb the hell out of these motherf*kers rather than watch our impotent Indian gov't do nothing.

Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 07-14-2006, 11:57 PM by Bodhi.)

Something which media is not saying clearly:

Israel has enforced a total blockade of outbound transportation from Lebanan - both air-borne and naval - to prevent the labananese gurillas from moving abducted Israeli soldiers away from Lebanan. Gurillas, presumably, would want to take these soldiers to Iran.

Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 07-15-2006, 12:03 AM by Bodhi.)

Well done Israel.

Chanakya had said - "shaThey shaaThyam samAcharet" (bone-heads should be treated with bone-head-like behaviour.)

Indian Government does not have will to follow Chanakya. Good going Israel!

07-15-2006, 05:11 AM

QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Jul 14 2006, 12:54 AM)What right do these buffoons have to condemn anyone when they can't even protect Indian citizens:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEIndia condemns capture of Israeli soldiers
[ 13 Jul, 2006 2158hrs ISTPTI ]

NEW DELHI: Concerned over the escalating tension in West Asia, India on Thursday condemned the "excessive and disproportionate" Israeli military action targeting civilian infrastructure, including Beirut airport, and asked all parties to eschew violence.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/artic...748463.cms
They want to make Israel take to charkha spinning along with them.
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well india is gandhian - what do yo expect??

you know other countries also have had leaders who have led them the wrong way - but they manage to change course and find the right/best way for them.

but not india. we are not likely to deviate from the gandhi-nehru path anytime soon.

i dont see india ever becoming strong and assertive till all indians become nationalistic, become pro-hindu and forget all the legacy of beevis and butthead.

but in the "lickocracy" that india is, thats unlikely to happen.

07-15-2006, 05:14 AM

QUOTE(Bodhi @ Jul 15 2006, 12:02 AM)Well done Israel.Â

Chanakya had said - "shaThey shaaThyam samAcharet" (bone-heads should be treated with bone-head-like behaviour.)

Indian Government does not have will to follow Chanakya.Â Good going Israel!
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no... why was chanakya anyway??

besides whats the need to follow chanakty or anyone else's advice for that matter, when we have such firebrand patriotic leaders like gandhi and ahem...nehru to follow. and now sonia.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-15-2006, 09:57 AM by Husky.)

QUOTEHer answer was, today it is somebody else baby, tomorrow it will be mine, I will ask my government to bring back my baby.And this is very much the right answer when dealing with Jihad. Don't give them an inch, don't let them think you are unwilling to fight back. Don't make their job easier. Israelis know Islam very well and don't plan to forget the lessons they've learnt. That is the mind-set we need to cultivate again in India.
Our ancestors who fought off the Muslim tyrants didn't do what they did so that today we can let all their hard work and their sacrificed lives waste away. Shameful. Unless we are willing to do the same, we don't deserve to utter their names. Honour their memory by following their example: no tolerance for intolerance, resist the Jihad and fight it back.
Pacifism works perfectly well with Jihad: they win with no effort, you lose with none.

QUOTEReport: Israel destroys Hezbollah HQWoohoo!

QUOTEUS vetoes UN demand that Israel leave Gaza<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
Ten of the council's 15 member-nations voted in favor of the resolution, while the United States cast the sole "no" vote. Four countries abstained -- Britain, Denmark, Peru and Slovakia.</div>Yes, I've also watched Bush repeatedly defending Israel's 'right to protect herself'. Although Bush and I happen to see eye to eye on this statement, our reasons for doing so are totally different.

Bush, being a born-again Bible-thumping evangelical Christian that he is, has the auto-instilled Christian intolerance for Jews (Baptists still believe Jews murdered Christ, do not associate with them except to evangelize, and hate their guts in private) and does not believe that Jews will go to heaven. However, as a born-again god-fearing Christian who knows his Book, he also knows it is Biblical prophecy that whichever nation opposes the Chosen People when the latter are defending their land will be punished by god (and end up in hell). And that if the Chosen People do not inhabit Israel by the time of the Endtimes, all the world will go to hell. (Yet, Christians think this does not mean that the Chosen People have to all remain Jewish, so they want to evangelise the Isrealis slowly and turn the country Christian. But they are told that a few among the Chosen People have to remain unconverted at the Endtimes - to be punished by hell as foretold in the crazy Bible).

Interestingly, many Christians in the US still hate Israel and won't support it, but they are probably not as 'aware' of these Biblical injunctions, as Bush, aka the man who converses with Jehova (who told him to attack Iraq or was it Afghanistan?).

I got all this from a former Baptist Christian, so any phrasing that is mildly inaccurate or any statement that I've omitted to add would be entirely due to my not being able accurately repeat it.

07-15-2006, 09:00 AM

QUOTEArab MK: 'I Advised PA to Kidnap Soldier'
17:26 Jul 09, '06 / 13 Tammuz 5766
by Hillel Fendel
<b>Knesset Member Wasal Taha, corresponding publicly with internet surfers on the Arabic-language IslamOnline site, said he repeatedly advised PA terrorists to battle and kidnap Israeli soldiers.

MK Zevulun Orlev (National Religious Party), who last week submitted a bill to negate Knesset membership to MKs who support terrorists, said that Taha's "traitorous" remarks are further proof that Israeli democracy must protect itself. </b>

According to a report in Maariv newspaper on Sunday, Taha told surfers on Thursday that he repeatedly advised the PA Arabs to stop shooting and targeting civilians, and to concentrate on IDF targets. An English translation of Maariv's Hebrew translation of Taha's Arabic words:

"We told them more than once that the Palestinians, who are subjected to murder and ongoing crimes on the part of the Israeli army, have two options: One is to explode and kill civilians - and these are much easier operations. The second option is the military option, in the framework of which a military unit from the resistance [i.e., terrorist infrastructures - ed.] is established in order to break into a military camp, clash with the soldiers and battle them and take them and the conquest into captivity."

Taha also had words of advice for the PA on the publicity front, saying that the kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit should not be called "kidnapped" but rather "imprisoned" or "captive." Taha said, "Kidnapping is an act carried out by gangs, terrorists, and the like. But 'captive' means that [it is carried out by] an organized, legitimate group that makes decisions. Israel is trying to present our resistance as something less - as terrorism, murder, and kidnapping - in order that the diplomatic circle will be closed to it."

Asked by Arutz-7's Uzi Baruch if Taha condemns the abduction of Corp. Gilad Shalit, the MK's aide said, "We do not condemn actions against IDF soldiers, we condemn actions only against innocent civilians."

Taha himself later said that when he said that the PA had two options, he was speaking with the Israelis. However, this is not borne out by the Maariv report. In any event, he still insists that he does not object to warfare against the IDF: "What I meant was that the Palestinians... have two options: one is to fight the conquest via harming Israeli civilians, which is the easier way but not legitimate, and this we oppose; or fighting the Israeli conquest via an organized attack against the IDF, as occurred in the case of Gilad Shalit."

MKs Orlev and Effie Eitam said Attorney General Menachem Mazuz should indict Taha for treason. MK Gilad Erdan has called upon Mazuz to indict Taha for incitement to violence, and for Interior Minister Roni Bar-On to consider stripping Taha of his Israeli citizenship. Minister Yaakov Edri (Kadima) said that Taha's words "border on grave incitement."

MK Tzvi Hendel (National Union) said in response, "I suggest that we trade the Arab MKs for the kidnapped Israeli soldier."

MK Orlev said, "The traitorous words of MK Taha prove that Trojan horses have invaded the Knesset, and the democracy must protect itself from them. Taha brags about his collaboration with the enemy and shows that the instructions for the kidnapping did not emanate only from Khaled Meshaal in Syria."

Prominent attorney Yoram Sheftel said that Taha's statement "is one that no democratic country can tolerate from a parliament member when that country is at war with the enemy with whom he was talking... I believe he violated the law and aided the enemy."

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-15-2006, 11:41 AM by Husky.)

Post 115:
QUOTEGandhi said that "Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English.â
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assuming these quotes are true, I shall take every oppertunity to let the jewish media and watchdog bodies like the ADL know just how anti semitic gandhi was. Gandhi obviously knew next to nothing about the history of Israel and Palestine. Most people even today don't know because of the Palestinian media blitz. Gandhi had many faults, but anti-semitism was not one of them. To oppose Jewish rights to settle in Israel, out of ignorance of the facts, is not anti-semitism. Not knowing the real situation, made Gandhi think that the Jews were the aggressors, when it is the opposite.

Some facts on Israel:
- a number of Americans and Europeans in the 19th century and before, including Mark Twain, visited the 'holy land' in their times. They all, independently, concluded that it was an utterly deserted land with practically no people living there (most of them saw at most 1 or 2 people).
- Jews moved to Israel, set up a living, infrastructure, business and livelihood, and it attracted people from neighbouring Jordan, etc.
- More Jews moved to Israel after WWII, and even more Jordanians (mainly) came to settle around there. Muslims settled there mainly because initially they saw businesses coming up in what had been a wasteland and wanted to partake in the growing prosperity. Later they started moving to that region in larger numbers, because they didn't want the land that they saw as belonging to Islam (even though it had been long deserted) to go to their arch-enemies, the Jews.
- Palestine is an old word (biblical even) - to people who don't know better, it lends unwarranted legitimacy to the Jordanian and other neighbouring countries' Muslims who started settling in the region formerly known as Palestine. These Muslims then usurped the words 'Palestine' and 'Palestinians', and aided in this by Jordan (and the other countries) that unlike the past today refuse to recognise them as their own people and tell them to remain occupying the former-wasteland. Now, the Palestinians don't call themselves Jordanians and insist they've been there forever. But historical reports of the region aren't lying, it's just that the public has been kept unaware of them for various reasons (anti-semitism for one).
- Israel has repeatedly offered those who now call themseles Palestinians their services. Israel's government and the majority of its people have been willing to fund and themselves build hospitals, houses, schools, offices and factories in the slums that Palestinians are living in. I hear the offer still stands. The Palestinians have vehemently refused this offer repeatedly. They don't want it at all - because if their neighbourhoods look like the 'first world', the legitimacy of their supposedly 'oppressed' plight will be greatly diminished in the world's view. No, they want to pretend to the world that their case is so desperate that the populace has to resort to tying their little boys and girls up in bombs and send them into Israeli quarters to suicide themselves.
- Final fact: Israel has allowed many Islamic and Christian Palestinians to live, work and study within Israel.

See also The Jews took no one's land by Joseph Farrah
The 'settlements' issue

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-16-2006, 08:43 PM by Husky.)

Post 117:
There do appear to be traitors within the Knesset. I just found some more of this at: http://www.sullivan-county.com/id4/jt.htm Scroll down to the section 'What about Kahane and Kach?'
Israel shouldn't let a treacherous 5th pillar form. They should nip it in the bud now.

By the way, Palestinian Christians are brainwashed in Palestinian Muslim schools. No Pope recognised the State of Israel until 6-10 yrs ago, however, they have always recognised Palestine as a legitimate state. Palestinian Christians are encouraged to hate Jews and Israel, and are encouraged to identify with Palestine by the Pope and their own local Christian religious leaders.
Palestinian Christians are also imports from neighbouring countries.
The Pope, being catholic unlike Bush, wants to have a foot in Israel and turn it Catholic slowly, that's why Pope JPII tried to chummy up with Israel a few years back (without really giving an inch, he just stepped in Israel and started talking to them that's all). Nevertheless, his visit was preceded by one to Palestine where he assured both the Christian and Islamic population that he wasn't going to change his real view of things.
Papal anti-semitism is alive and well.

07-15-2006, 10:16 AM

QUOTEI got all this from a former Baptist Christian, so any phrasing that is mildly inaccurate or any statement that I've omitted to add would be entirely due to my not being able accurately repeat it.
You are absolutely right. It is a fact and lot of people in US strongly believes what you are saying.

If you get a chance, read book "Israel's secret war". Very descriptive about freedom struggle and how they started farming abd captured land etc.

QUOTEIsrael's government and the majority of its people have been willing to fund and themselves build hospitals, houses, schools, offices and factories in the slums that Palestinians are living in. I hear the offer still stands. The Palestinians have vehemently refused this offer repeatedly.
They are not only lazy, but completely brainwashed by gangsters and Mullahs. There leaders are very self-centered, Arafat looted lot and now others are in queue.
Actually, one can really feel difference while traveling in that region. Even attitude towards life or work or honesty or breeding, clearly explain current state of Palestine.

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