Christian subversion and missionary activities

10-25-2006, 09:32 AM

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10-25-2006, 10:17 AM

during 1857
Read page 201-202
QUOTEScatered throughout India, there are already many native Christian communities-whole villiages of Christians, even groups of villages and Christians people in many cities and towns. Many individual fell victims to the Sepoys, but in no instance did native Christians prove faihless to the English. Several sacrificed their lives for their sakes and many offered to take up arms for their protection. Although several clergymen and other missionaries were mudered among other Europeans, when a whole community fell victims to Sepoy barbarity, yet as a proff that no enmity was felt .....

10-25-2006, 10:58 AM

http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/storie...nt.23b6b18.html

QUOTEComment: Christian Zionism raises questions among Jewish community

Web Posted: 10/19/2006 06:59 PM CDT

Rabbi Haim Dov Beliak
and Jane Hunter

The leaders of major Jewish organizations have enthusiastically welcomed the Rev. John Hagee's Christians United for Israel, or CUFI, which is holding a "Night to Honor Israel" in San Antonio this weekend. But some aspects of Hagee's effort do not bode well for Israel or American Jews.

CUFI brings together powerful leaders of the Christian right (the Revs. Jerry Falwell and Benny Hinn and former presidential candidate Gary Bauer, to name a few) whose domestic agenda is opposed by the majority of American Jews.

And because CUFI's support for Israel is based on a particular interpretation of biblical prophesies, CUFI opposes compromises that might let Israel secure peace. This puts CUFI at odds with most Israelis and ultimately will put it out of synch with Jewish organizational leaders, whose positions have historically evolved in response to Israeli policies.

Gershom Gorenberg, a leading Israeli expert on Christian Zionism, recently explained how Christian Zionists' positions on Israel and the Middle East (Hagee advocates a U.S. attack on Iran) place them "at the far edge of the radical right within Israeli politics." Speaking on the public radio program "Fresh Air," Gorenberg said the Christian Zionists "tend to support military action over diplomacy. It's worth stressing that this puts them far from the mainstream of Israeli politics."

Christian Zionists base their opposition to ceding land on biblical interpretation. Hagee, speaking on the same program, gave a scriptural defense for his opposition to territorial compromise: "Joel 3:2 says do not do it. Those who divide up the land of Israel will come under the judgment of God. Therefore, don't do it. It's just that simple."

Christian Zionism focuses on "end times" scenarios that involve "ingathering" all the world's Jews in Israel against a backdrop of major international warfare. Jewish leaders correctly dismiss this as an irrelevant rationale for the political support of CUFI's leaders and the millions of Christians whom they represent.

Gorenberg, however, points out the contradiction in the use of the term Zionism by these Christian leaders, who, he says, are "seeing the Jews as actors in a Christian drama leading toward the end of days." By contrast, says Gorenberg, "real Zionism, as a Jewish movement, is a movement aimed at taking Jews out of the mythological realm and making them into normal actors in history, controlling their fate and acting for pragmatic reasons connected to the here and now. So what's called Christian Zionism is actually very distant from Zionism."

Hagee has promised Jewish leaders that CUFI will not use its support for Israel as a cover for evangelizing the Jews. But most of the members of CUFI's board and its regional leaders believe that Jews cannot be "raptured" in the "end times" unless they accept Jesus Christ as messiah.

Especially problematic is the domestic divide between CUFI's leaders and the vast majority of Jews, who vote Democratic, favor church-state separation, support gay rights and privacy in matters of reproductive health.

In an interview with the Express-News in July, Hagee brushed them aside: "I think if I could put a dividing line, the Orthodox and Conservatives who have a Torah appreciation give us wholehearted support. The rest who are not driven by the Word of God have a liberal agenda. And the liberal agenda is they are pro-abortion. They're pro-homosexual. They're pro-gay marriage â they want men to marry men and women to marry women â and their difference with me is not really what I'm doing with Israel. Their hostility to me is poisoned by their liberalism."

With Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, billed as a featured speaker at the Cornerstone Church event, the majority of Jews whom Hagee describes as "poisoned" should worry about how forcefully Jewish leaders will voice the community's views on crucial domestic issues â not about their toxicity.

10-25-2006, 11:05 AM

This Hagee fellow seems to be a total nut. Wonder how much access he has with policy-making circles in DC. He seems to be Benny Hinn's pal.

http://www.jewsonfirst.org/06c/cufi02.html

QUOTEChristian Zionists justify all this with a mumbo-jumbo of biblical interpretation. For example, Hagee said during the Fresh Air interview: "Joel 3:2 says do not do it. Those who divide up the land of Israel will come under the judgment of God. Therefore, don't do it. It's just that simple."

QUOTEHagee responded that those Jews would not be raptured, but would have to live through the "Tribulation."

Â Â Where that leaves them is that during the tribulation, the book of Revelation says in the 14th chapter that God is going to send angels who will preach the everlasting gospel across the face of the earth so that everyone will have the opportunity of knowing who Jesus Christ is. Now, when it comes to the Jesus people, Zechariah very clearly says that they are not going to believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah until they see him. Zechariah says in the 14th chapter `and when they, the Jewish people, see him whom they have pierced'--and the word pierced there actually refers to his rib and side--`when they see him whom they have pierced, they will weep as one weeps for his only son for a period of one week. They're simply not going to believe he is the Messiah until they actually see him, and that's at the Second Coming. Then, at that point in time, there is the judgment of the nations in which all nations are judged for the way in which they have treated the nation of Israel and the Jewish people, and the Jewish people are front and center in the kingdom of God that will be an eternal kingdom.

Hagee and his fellow Christian Zionists have gone to great lengths to reassure Jewish organizations that they will not take advantage of their activities in support of Israel to try to convert Jews. 

And on Hurricane Katrina

QUOTEI believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are--were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade on the Monday that the Katrina came, and the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 10-26-2006, 07:11 AM by Husky.)

QUOTEWho runs the website http://freetruth.50webs.org/.Short answer: don't know (must learn to write short answers).

QUOTE"Joel 3:2 says do not do it. Those who divide up the land of Israel will come under the judgment of God. Therefore, don't do it. It's just that simple."Born-again fundoos are a funny bunch. (Good ole Pat Robertson even declared that babblegod smote Israeli PM Sharon with a stroke for withdrawing from Gaza!)
Their whole plan to speed up the second-coming hinges on Israel and the conversion of (some? all?) of its Jewish population. Sad, sad.
Reminds me of Martin Luther who liked the Jews initially. He tried to convert them, tried to convince them that jeebus creeper was the messiah and all. They told him how jeebus didn't fit the description of the messiah at all, and Luther lost it when he saw that they had irrefutable proof. Luther's whole life - from lusty Catholic monk of an Augustinian monastery to his glory days as Protestant reformer - would have been a lie of gigantic proportions. So he became furious, vented his doubts and venom in his well-known book of propaganda containing violent hatred against Jews and in doing so, inspired the nazis. The rest, as they say, is history .... the history of the Holocaust, that is.

Bharatvarsh · 10-26-2006, 12:23 AM

QUOTEhis well-known book of propaganda containing violent hatred against Jews and in doing so, inspired the nazis. 
It was titled "The Jews and their lies", some gems from that book:
QUOTEWhat shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blaspemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we must pratice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengenance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:

First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly - and I myself was unaware of it - will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.

Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.

Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. (remainder omitted)

Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the saying of Moses (Deuternomy 17 [:10 ff.]) in which he commands them to obey their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: "what they teach you in accord with the law of the Lord." Thoses villains ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people's obedience contrary to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the declaration in Matthew 16 {:18], "You are Peter," etc, inducing us to believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore he forfeited the righ to teach.

Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let they stay at home. (...remainder omitted).

Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above, they have no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it they have stolen and robbed from us all they possess. Such money should now be used in no other way than the following: Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble. For such evil gains are cursed if they are not put to use with God's blessing in a good and worthy cause.

Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow, as was imposed on the children of Adam (Gen 3[:19]}. For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/luther-jews.html
And we wonder where the Nazis came from, it's all a continuation of nuts like Luther.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 10-26-2006, 07:27 AM by Husky.)

Luther, that pillar of Christo morality, wasn't merely an arch anti-semite.
He hated practically everybody, but since he was a good Christo, that's only to be expected:
- Being a very appropriate spokesperson for the True Egalitarian religion of Christianity, he whipped up genocidal hatred against the common people (peasants), directly being responsible for the genocide of 100,000 of them.
- He reminded his followers of that other prime principle of Christianity: hatred of women
- And of course the Christo 'love' for logical thought has not been ignored by Luther: he whines on and on about how Reason is evil. (Lutheran converts, please take note)
- He continued Christo detestation of disabled people, including children
QUOTENot to be outdone by the Church's medieval and earlier teachings about the satanic presence in disabled adults as well as children, Luther brought this fear and hatred of them into the Reformation:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE"As for the demented, I hold it certain that all beings deprived of reason are thus afflicted only by the Devil."QUOTE"Idiots, the lame, the blind, the dumb, are men in whom the devils have established themselves: and all the physicians who heal these infirmities, as though they proceeded from natural causes, are ignorant blockheads...."QUOTEAbout children with disabilities, he had this to say: "Wenn man aber von den teufelsÃ¤hnlichen Kindern erzÃ¤hlt ... so halte ich dafÃ¼r ... dass es wahre Teufel sind" ('But when people speak of the devil-lookalike children ... then that's why I think .... that they are true devils').Link
How influential were these beliefs of Luther in determining the actions of his followers?
QUOTEIn the year 1940/41, people with disabilities who were entrusted to the evangelical institutions for the disabled in Neuendettelsau/Bayern were, with reference to Lutheran state teachings, finally handed over to the state authorities. That they were put to death, was known to those responsible. Link, which appears to be a translation of the statement on this German page on Luther, at KirchenOpfer ("Church-sacrifice")
Robertson's History of Christianity states that Luther advocated throwing a possessed child into the river to be killed or cured.</div>This should silence today's Christos blaming the (equally Christo) nazis for the evils of eugenics and murder of disabled people - turns out it comes straight from the Christo-who-can-do-no-wrong, Luther himself. Next time someone tells us how wonderful Christianity is to children and people with disabilities, we should agree with them and point out just how wonderful.

Then there's his hatred for prostitutes, religious minorities and the like.
QUOTEBesides all this, Luther also imagined seeing the devil everywhere and wrote much nonsense to that effect. He advocated death as the solution to religious minorities, revolting peasants, prostitutes. He advised the German populace to rob and murder Turks, he wished the Pope and his bishops to be murdered too and equally detested rival Protestant reformers like Zwingli and other Christian sects like the Anabaptists.
Here's a Protestant icon (famous historian) summing up the evil of that mascott for Protestantism, Luther:
QUOTEThe Anglican Dean Inge, of St. Paul's Cathedral, London, did not hesitate to say:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE'If we wish to find a scapegoat on whose shoulders we may lay the miseries which Germany has brought on the world, I am more and more convinced that the worst evil genius of that country, is not Hitler or Bismarck or Frederick the Great, but Martin Luther.'Link</div>I agree wholeheartedly.
(Material from http://freetruth.50webs.org/C4a.htm)

10-26-2006, 06:55 AM

QUOTEBJP alleges large scale conversions in AP 
Hyderabad, Oct. 25 (PTI): State BJP today alleged that religious conversions were being held on a large scale in Tirupati and Nalgonda districts of the state.

"Teams of Christian missionaries have fanned out in various tribal areas of Nalgonda district and are forcibly converting them (tribals) in to Christianity," BJP state vice president S V Seshagiri Rao told reporters here today.

Since there are many festivals between September and November and tribals assemble at one place to celebrate these festivals, the teams are on the prowl in Nalgonda district which has a big chunk of 'lambada' population, he alleged. 

"Though the matter was reported in Gurrampad police station in Nalgonda district no action was initiated," Rao said adding, the religious activity of Christians was intensified in the temple town of Tirupati.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 10-26-2006, 03:45 PM by Husky.)

QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Oct 26 2006, 12:23 AM)It was titled "The Jews and their lies"
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/luther-jews.htmlThat link contains the modern Christo lie to whitewash the past:
QUOTE...although Luther's comments seem to be proto-Nazi, they are better seen as part of tradition of Medieval Christian anti-semitism. While there is little doubt that Christian anti-Semitism laid the social and cultural basis for modern anti-Semitism, modern anti-Semitism does differ in being based on pseud-scientific notions of race. The Nazis imprisoned and killed Jews who had converted to Christianity: Luther would have welcomed them.What a fraud! This is how Luther planned to welcome Jews into the Christo fold: ( http://freetruth.50webs.org/C4a.htm )
QUOTE"If I had to baptise a Jew, I would take him to the bridge of the Elbe, hang a stone around his neck and push him over with the words 'I baptise thee in the name of Abraham'."
-- Martin Luther, "Hitler's Spiritual Ancestor" by Peter F. Weiner (1985, Gustav Broukal Press)Very much in the spirit of Christo nazism.
Besides, "The Nazis imprisoned and killed Jews who had converted to Christianity" hides a vast truth. Yes, nazis killed Jews who had converted to Christianity - these nazis were the very protestant reverends, catholic priests and good lay Christos who betrayed formerly Jewish members (and Christian members with Jewish ancestry) of their own congregations to the Nazi state! In other words: nazi Germany's lay Christos and priests of both denominations were nazis.

On the page Fascism including Nazism a bit lower down in the section 'Distorting Facts', there's the subsection:
QUOTE"The Nazis executed German Christians who helped the Jews"
Very few Christians helped the Jews, especially in comparison to the large number of Christians who helped in exterminating them. The policy being to annihilate Jews, the state would curtail insubordination instead of leaving alone any who helped them. Therefore, it is hardly surprising that anyone, including Christians, who aided Jews would also be executed by the government. This does not mean that Nazism persecuted Christianity.
Yet there is another aspect to the Christians who aided Jews that is often downplayed: many of them were Jewish Christians.

Book reviewer Doris Bergen, in her review of the apologetic book Women against Hitler: Christian Resistance in the Third Reich by Theodore N. Thomas:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTECertain Confessing women, he [the author, Thomas] observes, were defined as "non-Aryans" under Nazi law or took action on behalf of Jews and "non-Aryan Christians". ... he claims (p.41) that "women as well as men sat in German prisons for their faith during the Church Struggle". However, the people he goes on to discuss were not arrested for activities connected to the Confessing Church.
...
In general the "martyrs" he describes are overwhelmingly people defined by the Nazis as "non-Aryans" - whom Thomas calls "Jewish-Christians". Friedrich Weissler, Anneliese and Hans Kauffmann, Inge Jacobsen and Hildegard Jacoby, five of the six martyrs of the Confessing Church named (p.43-5), were all officially 'non-Aryan". Can they simply be counted among those who gave their lives for the Confessing Church? Without evidence to the contrary, it seems more accurate to describe them as victims of the Nazi assaults on Jews, Judaism and so-called Jewish blood.</div>
With 'prestigious' universities/institutes like Fordham perpetuating Christo lies to keep the genocidal Christo religion safe from its own effects (the Holocaust), is it any wonder why Christo anti-semitism continues?

10-26-2006, 03:27 PM

QUOTE

http://timesofin dia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2229978.cms? headline= God,~sex~ and~the~call~ centres]God, sex and the BPOs[/URL]

BANGALORE: Across the country, good Christians are
consoled by the belief that Jesus Christ is present in
the call centres, and are disturbed by the fear that
he might be the only unmarried virgin out there.

Unable to bear the tales emerging from Indian
outsourcing' s famous night shift, of condoms clogging
toilets, live-in relationships, drugs and other joys
condemned in the Old Testament, men who call
themselves shepherds are offering to show one road
that everybody points to the young the right path.

Christian evangelical groups are asking the youth to
carry chastity cards that say, "I commit before god to
save the gift of my sexuality from now until marriage,
regardless of my past." Catholic priests are
cautioning parents about the moral perils of the
profession.

Spiritual counsellors are seeking out lovers and
asking them not to get physical. And they are also
telling homosexuals that they must be mentally ill.
Scores of evangelical Christians have even infiltrated
call centres in the guise of regular workers to keep
an eye on the youth. 

In a country where parents believe that their
daughters can be despoiled only after sunset, it was
inevitable that the arrival of nocturnal call centres
would bring in fears of wards gone astray.

The Christian concern is birthed in the fact that a
growing number of its youth is entering call centres.
The Indian outsourcing industry, where call centres
occupy the lower rungs today, employs about 400,000,
with an average starting salary of over Rs 10,000.

Squirming under the moral scrutiny, several call
centre workers, especially girls, feel cheapened by
the apostles of righteousness who try to reform them.
They say that the Christian brotherhood is full of
hormonal boys afflicted by their own prolonged
virginity.

"They are just desperate guys. They like to talk about
sex to girls. And religious counselling is a nice,
convenient way to do that," a girl who works in a
Bangalore call centre says. She was questioned about
her sex life by an evangelical co-worker who revealed
to her that he was there to show her type the right
path.

Twenty-seven- year-old Krishna Puri of ICICI OneSource
reflects a common sentiment, "This kind of counselling
is for school kids. We are mature. We can take care of
ourselves."

Among the many preachers of the lord's will is
31-year-old Dominic Dixon, from the Ministry of
Reconciliation and Evangelisation. He is newly the
author of The Beautiful Christian Mind Deliverance
From Mental Illness. He is sitting in the lobby of the
Oberoi Hotel in Bangalore. He is a short, dark man
with a slight paunch. His hair is gelled.

He is in a black shirt with geometric designs and
black trousers. He smells good. His phone is a latest
model. In him, there is this unmistakable assurance
that in this world some individuals may be liberal,
but all parents are conservative. And parents run the
world.

Dixon, born in the fringes of Chennai to a humble
ancestry, is now a seemingly successful man of God. "I
have trouble maintaining an Indian accent because I
travel so much around the world," he says.Â <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' />

Dixon is against the Catholic Church embracing yoga,
meditation and Buddhist philosophies. "The Bible does
not preach these," he says in a calm confident manner.
He chuckles when he says, "yoga".

He is also against pre-marital sex, masturbation,
abortion, homosexuality and drugs. "Call centres are
an embodiment of all this," he says. "From the very
start they promoted unethical activities. Workers were
asked to employ a fake accent and tell lies on the
phone."Â <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/omg.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='omg.gif' />

Dixon shows a yellow chastity card that he has been
distributing. He plans to start a virginity campaign
in the Mount Carmel college. That's the way to catch
the young before they are corrupted in call centres,
he says. "I have a lot of contacts in the outsourcing
industry.

They call me to counsel workers regularly. If I am
counselling Hindus, in the beginning I use the word,
'God' but ultimately I give Jesus. I give the gospel.
Many accept it." What does he talk to them about? What
do they say are their problems?

"They never say anything. The Holy Spirit inspires me.
The Holy Spirit talks to me. That's how I know what
their problems are," he says.

That brings to mind the exasperated query of a young
Hindu girl this reporter spoke to earlier "Why does
the Holy Spirit inspire them to talk only about sex?"
Dixon believes that the biggest problems facing call
centre workers are usually rooted in sex.
"Lesbianism is rampant," he says. "One hundred percent
of all the homosexuals I have counselled were mentally
ill. It is a disorder and I tell them that."

He says that the "moral situation" in the call centres
has alarmed the pious so much that, "some Christian
organisations have planted their boys and girls in at
least 60 call centres in Bangalore alone to catch
those who are going astray. To talk to them and bring
them back to Jesus. I too have planted some."

How does he plant them?

"I have contacts. And the attrition rate is so high in
the industry, if you can speak in English, you will be
employed in a call centre." One such God's own mole is
29-year-old Barnabas Kumar, an unmarried protestant
pastor in Bangalore, who worked in Siemens for about
four years, and another call centre for two months.

Barnabas has an endearing angelic face that looks
particularly cherubic under a Nike monkey cap. He is
in a beige windsheeter and there is something innocent
about him. His grandfather was a Hindu who, "accepted
Christ". Barnabas cleared his tenth standard and after
difficulties in going any further, he turned to
theology. He runs his own church.

"A few years ago, I began to notice that the youth
have stopped coming to the church. That's when I
learnt about call centres and how the youth was
working in the night and sleeping in the day. And I
heard a lot of disturbing stories too. Jesus went to
the people. So I too decided to join a call centre and
help."

He worked on the floor of a call centre as an
assistant manager in quality control, a person who has
to check if others are being efficient. "That's when I
heard about live-in relationships. I was fascinated,"
he says. His large boyish eyes widen.

In the first call centre he worked, for several months
nobody except one Human Resource manager knew that he
was a pastor. But after a sudden public preaching
session on the floor, a lot of colleagues came to know
that he was god's fellow.

Barnabas used to keep a close eye on the workers to
seek out evidences of office romance. Once he caught a
whiff of love, "I would probe about their love life."
Even girls? "Chiefly girls, because they need
assistance. I would try to come across as a friend, as
though I am cool with what they do.

And then they'd open up. Sometimes, of course, they
would get offended. There was this 22-year-old girl. I
have informers everywhere who tell me stuff and I was
told that she was seeing a colleague. She was a
beautiful girl. He was a dumb guy. But she thought he
was a genius.

I could not bear it. She was going astray. I called
her to me and asked her if she was having sex. In the
beginning, she was offended. She asked me who I was to
ask such things. But I persisted. I kept asking her if
she was sleeping with him. Finally, she admitted that
she was having a live-in relationship.

He was a dumb guy. I told her, she should either ask
him to marry her or leave him. I spoke to the boy too.
I asked him why he was forcing himself on her. She was
so beautiful I didn't want her to be spoiled."

Barnabas' face clenches. He is angry at the memories.
"I tried to give her Jesus. I told her, 'I have a
heart for you. Not because you are beautiful but
because God has an eye on you'."

But Barnabas could not break them up. Was he ever
attracted to the girls he was trying to reform? They
were beautiful, he was single and they were telling
him personal things. Love blooms in such situations.

"Yes. But prayers saved me. Some girls even made
passes at me. One girl says, 'you are capable of many
things it seems, you must come to my house'. Another
girl sat next to me in a very suggestive way. I
prayed. And I told her that she was not gold that can
be used often.

I told her, she was a diamond. She said, 'Cho Chweet'.
Next day, she called me and said, 'Even a diamond is
used sometimes'. I asked her if she would be willing
to lead a frugal life, survive on porridge sometimes?
I knew that would put her off."

Barnabas also studied the drug culture in the call
centres. "They used to do all kinds of stuff," he
says. "They had their own codes too. Boys and girls
who wore a black thread around their neck with a glass
pendant that had a weed design etched on it were the
ones who were interested in buying or selling drugs."

About two years ago, Barnabas left his call centre
interlude, having learned enough and to devote more
time on his church activities. While Christian groups
have been trying to reform its young, the Catholic
Church in India, apart from priestly interactions with
parishioners, has not taken a formal stand yet on the
issue.

Father Francis Yeluvathingal who is attached to the
Bishop House in Mumbai says, "We do not condemn call
centres. They are a very good source of income. But we
are concerned about the Christian way of life too."

10-27-2006, 01:07 AM

QUOTE=Husky,Oct 21 2006, 07:39 PM

Please watch, if you have access to BBC World, the documentary...Â

Don't watch. It will damage you knowing what this evil ideology of ChristoIslamism has wrought. Avoid. Indian and other Christos (and potential converts) should be made to watch it to learn what their religion is doing, though.
Us Dharmics, and followers of other natural religions deserve to be free of ever finding out about the despicable depths to which ChristoIslamism stoops.
Just read numbers and statistics - that's bad in itself,Â

Husky,Oct 21 2006, 07:39 PM

Sex crimes and the Vatican: BBC World documentary
Please watch, if you have access to BBC World, the documentary...Â

Don't watch. It will damage you knowing what this evil ideology of ChristoIslamism has wrought. Avoid. Indian and other Christos (and potential converts) should be made to watch it to learn what their religion is doing, though.
Us Dharmics, and followers of other natural religions deserve to be free of ever finding out about the despicable depths to which ChristoIslamism stoops.


Do watch. Knowledge is power. Knowledge helps one to develop the correct perspective. There are many Hindus, well-meaning as they may be and are not psuedo-secular, who are completely ignorant about the extent of christianity's deceptions and misdeeds, because they have been brought up surrounded by the myths propagated generously by the christian institutions and the Indian media, including Indian movies, that portray the christian as always the good guy and the hindu as always the villian. The hindus thus lack awareness on christianity's true face. When they come over to the west, and hear for the first time the numerous cases of sexual abuses, money laundering, cheating, extortion, etc., by christian church and priests, they are extremely surprised. Such news never makes it most of the time in the Indian press. For many hindus, true education on christianity starts when they come to the west.

QUOTE...but knowing any more about this ChristoIslamic nightmare will only put one into a murderous rage.

Rage is good (!) - as long as it is channelized in the right direction to protect hindu society from being slaughtered by christianity and islam. Every hindu needs to become enraged, and more active and proactive.

10-27-2006, 01:25 AM

QUOTEThe Rediff Interview/Habitat for Humanity CEO Jonathan Reckford

'We try to help people understand the need to break the cycle of poverty'

October 26, 2006

At a hill station near Mumbai, India, 100 new homes are coming up. But instead of bungalows where the well-heeled can rest their feet, these homes in Lonavala are for the poor. Courtesy, Habitat for Humanity, the organisation founded by former US President Jimmy Carter.

Jonathan Reckford took over as Habitat's CEO last year after a career that saw him wind his way, among other places, through Goldman and Sachs, Marriot Corp, Disney, Circuit City and Best Buy, finally becoming executive pastor of the 4,300-member Christ Presbyterian Church of Edina, a suburb of Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA.

Reckford, 42, said a team led by Carter, who turned 82 on October 1, and his wife Rosalyn will work for five days, starting October 30, to set up the 100 homes in Lonavala.

"This project has lot of emotional attachment for Jimmy Carter as his mother Lillian, when she was 67, served in the Peace Corps many years back and she worked in the Lonavala area as a nurse helping local people," said Reckford.

These homes will be given to local people who have already been selected by Habitat's local partners, the Abhinav Co-operative Credit Society, a non-governmental organisation with 600 shareholders from 48 groups in 26 villages that promotes education, and organises programmes on nutrition, health care, legal rights, women's empowerment, income-generation, social forestry and community development.

But its 'IndiaBuild' programme has grander goals -- to build 50,000 homes for 250,000 people in India in the next five years. And given its record -- it has already set up 12,000 homes and, in tsunami-struck South India, it built more than 1,700 homes in the year that followed.

In an interview to Rediff India Abroad Senior Editor Ajit Jain in Canada, Reckford discusses the housing problem in India and Habitat's plans there.

Is this is the first time Habitat is going to India?

The programme has existed since 1984. But Jimmy Carter and Mrs Carter will be going to India on behalf of Habitat International for the first time to build 100 homes in Lonavala, near Mumbai.

President Carter first went to India in 1978 when he was still in office. Is this just his second visit there?

Yes. But there are also personal ties that take him to India. His mother Lillian, when she served in the Peace Corps many years ago, was based in this very town -- Lonavala.

[I hear there will be thousands of volunteers from many countries working in Lonavala?[/I]

That's our hope. Historically, we would have typically 2,000 volunteers participating. One thing special about this project is it will bring together volunteers from the host country with volunteers from around the world.

[I]I also read that these houses will cost just Rs 100,000. Can you build a house at that price?

The prices vary from country to country. In the US, houses are more expensive, obviously, because of building codes and other requirements. We have been able to build homes in some parts of the world for as little as US $800 to $1,000. Those, of course, are very simple structures.

And what about the ones you hope to build now?

In India also, very simple homes will be built. They will comprise of a living room, kitchen, toilet, bathroom, etc. The house, for a family of 4 to 5 people, will include plumbing, running water, electricity, etc.

How can you ensure that your local affiliate, Habitat India, and the local NGO, Abhinav, will stick to your plan?

This is not for Habitat International to come and do everything. We only go into areas where we are invited. So the official host and the sponsor is Habitat India and the local partners working with us in the Mumbai region is Abhinav.

Your press release says you will have large number of volunteers from local churches.This is a sensitive issue in Maharashtra region, given that it could be given a communal colour.

I appreciate your caution. We are very sensitive about this ourselves. It is important to understand that Habitat International is an ecumenical Christian ministry in that it is a very inclusive one. We very happily work with people of all faiths who want to support eradication of poverty. So, we joyfully welcome volunteers of all faiths who want to participate in our efforts to serve these families.

But isn't this still a contentious issue?

There are few important things to remember here. We don't discriminate against anyone. We serve any family that meets our three criteria. One is, you are low-income family earning 20 to 50 per cent less than the median income of the area.

Second, you are willing to put in 'sweat' equity. We require the families' participation in the building of their homes and to help other families build their homes.

Third, families commit to paying back a very low mortgage. They pay their loan back and thus help other families.

There is a serious housing problem in India. Over 350 million people still need homes. Then there are 40 million people living in urban slums, a number that is increasing as more and more people move to urban areas in search of work

It's obviously an enormous and complicated problem in India. We fully recognise it. Habitat can be one very small part of the total solution. One reason we do this project is because it draws a lot of media attention to the needs for affordable housing. It is something people who have decent housing take for granted and don't think about.

So how do you resolve this?

Our experience for housing in a substantive way is to have a partnership. The government has to be involved along with the private sector, along with NGOs. It will take that triangle -- all these working together to make significant progress.

The private sector can have a big impact in helping create a work force for building decent housing. We believe the government needs to be involved in terms of housing policies, in terms of creating land and infrastructure and utilities. We need the NGOs to marshal resources.

How and why?

We try to help people understand the need to break the cycle of poverty. I think people first think of food, clean water, health care and education. We would like people to be aware of decent shelter as the foundation for achieving many of these things.

And how does that help?

Several studies have shown that if a child who grows up in a simple but decent home with a solid floor and a dry roof, it has a dramatic impact on the child's health, which in turn has dramatic impact on the child being in school, which in turn has an impact on the child being able to earn an income and break that cycle of poverty.

So is housing the ultimate solution?

We recognise that housing is one piece but a critical piece for families to emerge out of poverty. It will take a concerted effort on the part of all these sectors.

To what extent is the Indian government, the Maharashtra state government or the local government involved in the Lonavala project?

I don't believe the Indian government is involved. We are working with a number of corporations and NGOs, stakeholders and partners in India. There's, of course, our close cooperation with Habitat India and different local governments.

President Carter can draw a lot of media attention in India. Are there advantages beyond the short-term ones?

In addition to the short-term attention, we will engage local volunteers who start to understand the impact of housing. They often become leaders of this movement. Our hope is that the many volunteers will become the backbone of this IndiaBuild campaign. We have seen similar things happen in South Korea and Philippines -- sustained, long-term expansion. The Carter project is an important catalyst.

Once this project is done and you leave, will you keep a close eye on work there?

We stay very engaged at the local level because Habitat International workers are in a relationship with each partner. The regional office for India headquartered in Bangkok works closely with the international headquarters.

And what are your inputs here?

We provide them support -- financial, training and other types of support -- so they can be effective. We do all what we can to support them but still they are locally owned. We (Jimmy Carter, Mrs Carter and volunteers) are going to an India-owned mission. IndiaBuild programme will only have some support from Habitat International.

What are your plans for it?

We also have a whole series of plans and standards for each country programme. That's why we feel so strongly about this IndiaBuild programme. These 100 homes we construct will be (the first) in a five-year programme. That way we ensure that it's not just one big splash, one event.

Do you have a message for your volunteers and those corporate entities supporting the IndiaBuild programme?

First, I must thank these volunteers. It would never be possible without these critical partners. It is their support and volunteering which makes this IndiaBuild programme happen. We are grateful to them.

India has an enormous housing problem, as you also admit. Are you still optimistic that you can help solve the problem?

I am optimistic but I don't want to downplay how serious the problem is. I know how enormous the challenge is -- there are 350 million people without homes and 40 million living in urban slums. So, the challenge is for more and more people to get involved and try to make a difference. I think it is solvable but it is not solvable without an enormous effort. It will be tough, expensive and very hard work but it is really important work.

http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/oct/26inter.htm

The idea that 1000s of volunteers, from around the world, will descend in India for this project is troubling. We know that the vast, vast majority are going to be christians from various churches in the US - the all eager to use this opportunity to bring the 'good old' gospel word out to the Indians living in the dark. This project will make it easier for the christian fanatics to enter into the country in large groups, without being subject to scrutiny.

Bharatvarsh · 10-27-2006, 09:11 AM

http://www.telugupeople.com/news/news.asp?...=10729&catid=59

Telugu website reporting about allegations of attempts to do mass conversions in the area between Nagarjuna Sagar and Miryalguda. BJP's AP state Vice President, Prof S.V Sheshagiri Rao is the one saying that foreigners from US and Canada have entered the area with the target of converting atleast 15,000 people a month and said that their visas need to be revoked and they need to be sent back.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 10-28-2006, 06:31 AM by Husky.)

My dad travels a lot and has been to Thailand often. He brought back a poster of the beautiful Emerald or Jade Buddha and told us about the Thai monarchs (Rama the nth). His engineering associates there asked my dad whether he knew Pali or Samskrit (Thai people often have partly-Samskrit names, and it's considered prestigious to study Pali and Samskrit). They were thrilled when he spoke to them in Samskritam. He really likes Thailand and loves the people. He kept telling us how they valued their religion and culture and how he wished all Indians would still be like that.

Until I touched down there, it was all just stories. But even that one-day visit made a very great impression. I got to see how much their religion is part of their lives. It's good to know.

QUOTEYes, they worship Ganesha, every Thai Monarch is called Rama, the present monarch knows Sanskrit and can speak itExcellent. Someone free from the reach of India's communists or the other 2 terrors is an expert on Samskritam.

10-28-2006, 06:57 AM

http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/oct/27vei...&file=.htm

QUOTE'Among such initiatives are a good many that are rooted in the Christian Church. The Chinese government now repeats regularly that religion is essential to the "harmonious society" it aims to create -- the sort of statement that would have been unthinkable 10 or 15 years ago. Of course, it is religion on the government's terms.'

And for those who claim that state-registered believers are not 'real Christians', the Archbishop writes that he can only say, on the basis of what he has seen in both urban and rural settings, that some of them put up a remarkably good imitation of loving their neighbours as well as of personal fervour and commitment. After all, even now, no one joins a church of any sort in China for an easy life.

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Shambhu · 10-28-2006, 09:33 AM

Let me try to list the traits unique to Christianity and Islam:

1. Stealing Hindu and Jewish thought and passing it as their own

2. Going to extreme lengths to maintain the lie that the stuff *is* their own

3. Making things up to defame Jews and Hindus (and Buddhists, jains, Sikhs etc)

4. Making their "God" draw up elaborate plans to burn Jews and Hindus in hell

5. Molesting boys in the Church or in the Mosque

6. Working overtime to cover up the molestation

7. Making and executing plans to convert the world to their life of lies

8. Persecuting anyone who does not want to convert

9. Persecuting their own flock once anyone sees the reality behind the lies

10. Working hand in hand with each other when it suits them, all the while planning to convert the other after the marriage of convenience is over

11. Never missing an opportunity to call "Interfaith Conferences" of all Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, so that Hindus can be mocked; (Jews have to be called in there to get that historical seal of approval, beyond that, there is no use for those ****** Jews, that is the Christo-Muslim thought).

12. Flying into paranoia when they see Hindu-Jewish friendship.

10-30-2006, 03:34 PM

QUOTEFEATURE - Hindu outcasts convert to end social stigmas
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By Krittivas Mukherjee

YAVATMAL, India (Reuters) - Taking off his shoes and joining his palms together in prayer, young engineer Ravi Turkane stands under a sizzling sun waiting to be reborn as a Buddhist.

"From today I am not a Hindu and I shall not go to a temple to pray to a Hindu deity," said Turkane, repeating initiation vows with thousands of other low-caste Hindus like himself.

"From today I'm reborn as a follower of Lord Buddha."

For millions of low-caste Hindus like Turkane, a switch in their faith is not so much a spiritual choice as a matter of dignity.

Only by converting can they escape the rigidity of a 3,000-year-old Hindu caste system dominated by the once-priestly class of Brahmins.

Hindu scriptures separate people into Brahmin priests, warriors, farmers and labourers, while the rest are beyond definition - called "Dalits".

These low-caste Hindus were once considered "untouchables", performing the most menial and degrading jobs.

The ancient caste system has persisted in India - mostly in villages -- despite the country's spectacular economic success and exposure to Western culture which has re-moulded social paradigms in the conservative nation.

Turkane, a 29-year-old hardware engineer, is part of that urban-based economic boom and is well-accepted among his engineer friends in the technological hub of Hyderabad.

But, a few hundred kilometres away in his native cotton-growing village, his caste identity overshadows his achievements and his family are social outcasts, denied access to even basic amenities such as water from a community well.

"We can't go to the temple or attend marriages," said Turkane. About 25 other families in his village face similar restrictions.

EXPLOITATION AND HUMILIATION

India's constitution forbids caste discrimination.

But Dalits -- who constitute over 16 percent of India's 1.1-billion population -- are still often beaten or killed if they use a well or worship at a temple reserved for upper castes. "For generations we remained in Hinduism's fold but what have we got? Only exploitation and humiliation," said Turkane, who converted to Buddhism with about 9,000 other Dalits this month in the central city of Nagpur.

"If we can find dignity of life in another faith then why shouldn't we follow that path?" he asked.

Turkane's whole family converted with him. He is not sure if they will be accepted into the social fold in their village, but says that at least they cannot be discriminated against as low-caste Hindus.

For decades, conversion has been a sensitive issue in India, with right-wing Hindus accusing Christian missionaries in particular of converting poor Hindus with inducements such as free schooling and health care.

But Christians, who have long-advocated for the rights of Dalits, say those who switch their faith do so to escape the oppressive Hindu caste system.

Minority groups also say Hindu right-wingers polarise voters on religious lines to gain political mileage.

"An Indian has the right to pursue the religion of his choice. Why should that right be violated?," asked Udit Raj, a convert to Buddhism who helped conduct the ceremony in Nagpur and whose small Justice Party champions Dalit rights.

"That right is being diluted by the Hindutva (Hindu) parties for political reasons," he said.

Christian missionaries have been killed, churches vandalised and converts attacked as religious antagonism reaches a new high in a country where Hindu right-wing groups often hold ceremonies to "re-convert" Christians.

"Christians can't help even a person who is ill or has met with an accident because they are immediately charged with proselytisation," said Joseph D'Souza, president of the All-India Christian Council.

Hindus form 80 percent of secular India's billion-plus population while Muslims account for 13 percent, Christians less than three percent and religious minorities such as Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains and Parsis make up the rest.

NEW LAWS

In recent months, five states ruled by the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) or its allies have introduced or strengthened anti-conversion laws, which they say will protect India's religious identity and foster communal harmony.

Muslim and Christian groups accuse the party of whipping up Hindu voters' fears to boost its political support.

"Why is it that only poor people in villages convert?" asked Prashant Harpalkar of the World Hindu Council.

Under some of the new laws, anyone planning to leave the Hindu fold must obtain certificates from officials and affidavits from courts saying they were converting out of free will and not by inducements.

"The constitution of India gives its citizens (the right) to practice any religion they choose. They are free to leave and take up any faith they want to," said Kancha Illaih, a leading political scientist and Dalit activist.

Last month, Gujarat passed a law branding Buddhism and Jainism as branches of Hinduism, sparking outrage among religious minorities who fear their unique identity would be wiped out.

"This is a conspiracy to just increase the number of Hindus by appropriating other distinctive religions into Hinduism," said Raj, a low-caste Hindu who converted to Buddhism.

"We will not give up without a fight to save our freedom of religion which is under seizure by Hindu zealots," he said.

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArtic...ia-274171-1.xml

I've never read anything more blatantly anti-hindu, vindictive, viscious, rubbish propaganda for christianity, than this article. It sprews hate and malice towards hindus, without even the decency to pretend it is a secular reporting. It cunningly refers to other non-christian religions- jainism, sikhism, and budhhism - and uses these religions, in the pretexts of talking about the threats to their identities, to lash out at hindus. This reporter is no doubt a christian convert, holding on to his very-hindu sounding name, or an anti-hindu marxist (which is more likely to be the case, given his bengali background).

Husky · (This post was last modified: 10-31-2006, 05:43 AM by Husky.)

Post 77: QUOTEI've never read anything more blatantly anti-hindu, vindictive, viscious, rubbish propaganda for christianity, than this article. It sprews hate and malice towards hindus, without even the decency to pretend it is a secular reporting. It cunningly refers to other non-christian religions- jainism, sikhism, and budhhism - and uses these religions, in the pretexts of talking about the threats to their identities, to lash out at hindus. This reporter is no doubt a christian convert, holding on to his very-hindu sounding name, or an anti-hindu marxist (which is more likely to be the case, given his bengali background). Sankara, this merely proves that they are becoming more confident in their lies and propaganda against Hindus in Hindu majority India. There must be some reason for their increased confidence...

On another matter:
Historian and ex-Franciscan monk Joseph McCabe, in his writings about the Jesuits (much-hated amongst even Catholic circles of their times and even by a Pope who sought to dissolve the Jesuit order), mentions the case of the Jesuit De Nobili who pretended he was a Hindu as well as others mascarading in India. Seems that those who favour his method of pretence and inculturation today would have been answerable to the Inquisition back in those days. Whatever they may say about it today, taking on Indian practises and dress is considered anti-christian and heresy:
QUOTEEqually mendacious and still more picturesque wasthe conduct of Father de Nobili in 1605. He joined the mission in India, then mysteriously isolated himself from it and learned the most intimate details of the Hindu religion. Presently be turned up amongst the Hindus, dressed in a flame-colored robe and a tiger's skin, with all the marks and emblems of the sacred caste of the Saniassi. When challenged, he swore that he was of high caste, and he produced a document proving that he was Tatuva Podagar Swami. Naturally, once he had thus, by a whole pack of lies, won the confidence of the Hindus, be began to make secret converts. The scandalized archbishop had him recalled to Rome, to appear before the Inquisition, but the influence of the Jesuits was such that he got permission to resume his work in India. His dress and caste-practices had, he said, only a social and sanitary significance! In the daily lies which his position implied no Jesuit finds anything to blame. The end justified the means. Other Jesuits followed him. It was claimed that de Nobili made a hundred thousand high-caste converts, and another Jesuit thirty thousand. But in a more precise Jesuit document we read that one of the most astute of these pious tricksters converted only nine Brahmans in eight months, and that this was more than any colleague had done in ten years. They lied in Europe about their lies in India.

In time the Jesuits quite openly lived as Brahmans among the Hindus, traveling in gaudy palanquins with natives cooling them with fans of peacock feathers. One, Father Beschi, won a native prince, became his chief minister, and rode about with an escort of thirty horses and a band. Others became pariahs and wandered about with a few dirty rags on them. The news exalted the pious ladies of Europe, especially when prodigious figures of conversions were thoughtfully added to the story; but priests and laymen were scandalized, and a fresh fierce attack was made on the Jesuits.

Both in China and India they made converts by blending the native superstitions with a discreet selection of Christian doctrines. When hot-blooded Indian women refused to exchange the little golden tingam (male organ) they wore at their breasts for a cross, the good Jesuits were content to engrave a cross on the treasured phallus! Other Jesuits held that wearing the sexual emblem of the Hindu deity was an innocent social custom, or that the woman had merely to convert it into a pious Christian act by a "direction of intention." Every variety of native superstition was thus consecrated, until the Papacy, after a prodigious struggle, was shamed by the leers of the increasing skeptics of Europe into suppressing the "Chinese and Malabar rites." The "converts" melted away at once.

The Jesuits at Rome used all their influence to protect these corrupt practices, and the reason was not merely that they might be able to boast of their hundreds of thousands of converts. For a hundred years they sanctioned this conduct of their missionaries in China and India, and, as usual, they fought the Pope and his Legates doggedly when they were ordered to desist. For ten years after their condemnation by Pope Clement XII they sustained their practices in the east, and Benedict XIV had in turn to issue two stern and indignant Bulls against them. The chief reason was that they were doing a most Prosperous trade on the strength of their missionary work. A manager of the French East India Company's branch at Pondicherry in the eighteenth century said that they did a larger and more profitable business in India than either the English or the Portuguese merchants. On the books of his own company a single debt of one hundred thousand dollars stood in the name of the Jesuit Father Tachard.

And here we have the meaning of the famous Jesuit settlements in Paraguay. They were admitted to the country early in the seventeenth century and, as the Spaniards had treated the natives with extreme brutality, the Jesuits soon won their devotion by the wiser policy of humanely organizing them for industrial purposes.

Unquestionably their settlements were ideal in comparison with the brutal exploitation of the natives by Spanish laymen; but just as unquestionably it was merely another form of commercial exploitation, and, when Spain ceded part of the territory to the Portuguese, the Jesuits threw native armies in bloody warfare upon the Christian troops. The natives were in many respects harshly treated and they received no wages. The Jesuits, says their literary tool Cretineau-Joly, "did not think it proper to give ideas of cupidity to Christians"; so they kept them themselves. They defied the bishops and almost surpassed the audacity of their colleagues in any other part of the world. And they became mighty rich by their unselfish labors in South America.

10-31-2006, 11:06 PM

came in email:
QUOTEThe Hindu 28-10-06

Carter had to sign an Oath

New Delhi

Former U.S President Jimmy Carter revealed on Friday that he had to sign a personal undertaking that an international Charity Habitat for Humanity would not engage in religious conversion activities before the group was allowed to build houses for the poor in India. Mr. carter said he had given this undertaking to then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi. 

Mr. Carter who will be in Mumbai to witness construction of small homes by Habitat for Humanity ,said the group had approached him in the U.S to intercede with the Government of India on its behalf.Though a former President,he had taken up the matter with Mr. Gandhi who asked him to sign the oath that there would be no proselytization activities.

agnivayu · 10-31-2006, 11:34 PM

I read this article too in the Washington Post. Let these pigs spread their hate.

The future will be dominated by many like me, strong confident Hindus who are well read and aware of our friends and enemies. These pigs will need our help in the future, and we will NEVER FORGET how we were treated in these times. Hindus arn't going anywhere even with these handful of converts, I ask these pigs, what will you do in the future of 1 Billion+ Industrialized Hindus in the world who can muster the same or greater economic power as you. Do you want us to remember you as friends or enemies ?

BTW, "Buddhism" as the western media says it, has been around for 2000+ years, what the F*ck too so long for these people to convert, if "Hinduism's" "rigid caste system" was keeping them down. What a bunch of nonsense, they conveniently blame some local ethnic discrimination on Hinduism, can anyone say Christo-fascist hate speech ?

QUOTE
I've never read anything more blatantly anti-hindu, vindictive, viscious, rubbish propaganda for christianity, than this article. It sprews hate and malice towards hindus, without even the decency to pretend it is a secular reporting. It cunningly refers to other non-christian religions- jainism, sikhism, and budhhism -Â and uses these religions, in the pretexts of talking about the threats to their identities, to lash out at hindus. This reporter is no doubt a christian convert, holding on to his very-hindu sounding name, or an anti-hindu marxist (which is more likely to be the case, given his bengali background).

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