He is actually very good for the Hindu cause. We need frauds like him to draw and waste Xtian extremist money. It's better spent on a 747 than on converting Hindus.
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Gowda letter to crook link
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Sorry I was looking for the thread on the Great Christian "Slobo" Raju Thomas. Here's some good stuff to send him.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Church forces out Haggard for 'sexually immoral conduct'
Story Highlights
â¢Haggard agrees to resign as pastor of New Life Church
â¢Denver police will look into "crimes that may have been committed"
â¢White House downplays Rev. Ted Haggard's influence
â¢Evangelist admits he called male escort to buy drugs and get a massage
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) -- The Rev. Ted Haggard agreed Saturday to resign as leader of the megachurch he started in his basement more than 20 years ago after its independent investigative board said he was guilty of "sexually immoral conduct."
On Friday, Haggard admitted he had received a massage from a Denver man who claimed the prominent pastor had paid him for sex over three years. Haggard also admitted he had bought methamphetamine.
Haggard, in an interview with CNN affiliate KUSA, denied having sex with Mike Jones and said he did not use the drug and threw it away.
After the allegations were made public, Haggard resigned as president of the influential National Association of Evangelicals, an umbrella group representing more than 45,000 churches with 30 million members.
He also temporarily stepped aside as pastor of the 14,000-member New Life Church. (Parishioners stand by Haggard)
But on Saturday overseers of the church recommended he be permanently removed.
"We, the Overseer Board of New Life Church, have concluded our deliberations concerning the moral failings of Pastor Ted Haggard," a statement from the church said.
"Our investigation and Pastor Haggard's public statements have proven without a doubt that he has committed sexually immoral conduct."
Haggard, 50, and his wife were informed of the decision, the statement said, and "they have agreed as well that he should be dismissed and that a new pastor for New Life Church should be selected according to the rules of replacement in the bylaws."
The statement said "a letter of explanation and apology" from Haggard and "a word of encouragement" from his wife, Gayle, would be read at Sunday morning services.
The couple has five children.
The church's statement said the investigation would continue to determine the extent of Haggard's misconduct.
The Rev. Ross Parsley will lead the New Life Church until a permanent replacement for Haggard is chosen, something that should happen by the end of the year, the statement said.
"Please continue to pray for Pastor Ted and his family, and let's all continue to stand strong together for the kingdom of God," Parsley's note to church members said. "We will get through this together. Remember, New Life Church has never been a man, a building or anything else -- we are a family."
Although Haggard initially denied even knowing Jones, the pastor admitted on camera Friday to a Denver CNN affiliate that he sought a massage from him. Haggard also admitted buying methamphetamine but said he did not use it.
"I was buying it for me, but I never used it," said Haggard, sitting in the driver's seat of a car with his wife, Gayle, at his side during an impromptu interview with KUSA-TV.
"I never kept it very long because it was wrong. I was tempted. I bought it. But I never used it." Haggard also acknowledged contacting Jones but has denied Jones' accusation that the two men regularly had sex over three years. (Watch how the scandal has quickly unfolded -- 3:35Video)
Haggard's admissions resonated among America's evangelicals and Christian leaders.
Haggard was one of a group of religious leaders who regularly participated in conference calls with White House aides, Time magazine reported.
On Friday, the White House sought to downplay Haggard's influence within the administration.
Spokesman Tony Fratto told reporters Friday that it was inaccurate to portray him as being close to the White House, insisting Haggard was only an occasional participant in weekly conference calls between West Wing staff and leading evangelicals.
"He has been on a couple of calls," Fratto said. "He's been to the White House one or two times."
Last year, Time -- citing Haggard's White House access -- put him on its list of the nation's 25 most influential evangelicals. (Time.com articleexternal link)
Many religious leaders had rallied to the pastor's defense when the allegations broke earlier in the week.
Dobson: He's still my friend
But Focus on the Family founder James Dobson -- who had castigated the media Thursday for reporting Jones' allegations -- issued a statement Friday saying he was "heartsick" upon learning of Haggard's admissions.
"The possibility that an illicit relationship has occurred is alarming to us and to millions of others," Dobson said.
"He will continue to be my friend, even if the worst allegations prove accurate," he continued. "Nevertheless, sexual sin, whether homosexual or heterosexual, has serious consequences."
Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, a Washington-based conservative policy group, said he was "saddened to learn of these allegations of reprehensible behavior."
"In his position as a leader of the evangelical community, this personal tragedy has public ramifications, so we urge that a full accounting of the facts be swift and complete," he said in a statement.
In an interview Friday with CNN, Jones said he went public with his allegations because of Haggard's support for a state constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage that is on the ballot next week in Colorado.
"For someone who is up there preaching that marriage should only be between a man and a woman, and he's going behind his wife's back and seeing a gay man for sex -- I felt like I owed it to the gay community to expose the hypocrisy," Jones said.( Watch Jones describe how he and Haggard "hooked up" -- 7:26Video)
Unclear polygraph test
Jones' account of events also came under scrutiny Friday after he voluntarily took a polygraph test for Denver's KHOW radio, where he originally made his allegations Wednesday.
The polygraph examiner concluded Jones showed some "deception."
However, the examiner said because Jones was exhausted at the time the test was administered it would need to be redone after he slept and ate to get more reliable results.
Jones told CNN that the part of the test he failed was on the question of whether he and Haggard had sex. "I don't understand why I did fail the part about when they asked me if I had sex with Ted Haggard," he said. "That's the reason he contacted me to begin with." (Watch Jones' take on Haggard's denial -- 1:20)
Haggard told KUSA that he was "grateful that [Jones] failed the polygraph test."
The Denver Police Department issued a statement saying it was "watching this situation unfold" and planned "on reaching out to the involved parties for information on crimes that may have been committed in Denver."
Haggard on Friday said a Denver hotel where he was staying referred him to Jones for a massage, and Jones "told him about" the methamphetamine. (Watch Haggard's response to whether he knows gay men in Denver -- 2:07Video)
He did not identify the hotel. Jones told CNN he did not sell methamphetamine to Haggard, but he said he gave Haggard a contact to obtain the drug and saw him use it on multiple occasions. He also said he was "not listed with any concierge" at a Denver hotel.
Asked about Haggard's continued denials of a sexual relationship, Jones noted that Haggard had denied even knowing him until he released voice mails he said he had kept from Haggard.
"The more denial he gives, the messier he looks," Jones said.
An expert hired by KUSA concluded the voice on the messages was probably Haggard, and a more detailed analysis was under way. The pastor admitted Friday that he did call Jones "to buy some meth, but I threw it away." (Watch what Haggard said about the drugs he bought -- 1:59)
Jones has said he met Haggard three years ago when the pastor answered his escort ad, pretending to be a man from Kansas City named "Art." He said their sexual encounters continued monthly until August.
Haggard's middle name is Arthur.
Jones, who has said he no longer works as a prostitute, told CNN he only learned Art's identity several months ago, when he recognized Haggard on TV.
"You can't put yourself in the position he was in and want respect and people to follow your words when you're actually doing the opposite behind their backs," Jones said.
CNN's Delia Gallagher contributed to this report.
Find this article at:
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abdul_bin_mao,
along with Haggard , please send Dr. K.A. Paul information [he had no formal higher education but call himself Doctor and he claims to bring peace in war zone]
Thomas and these three are made for each other.
More stuff to collect to send "professor-Emetic" Slobo Thomas:
Another Christian Family Values Leader: The teen-bugger Foley, who blames it all on - whose else? His "Rev. Father" the "Rear Admiral" Pastor of his church, who apparently buggered the entire Choir!
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/1...s_stay_in_.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Foley's Stay in Rehab Extended
November 01, 2006 7:14 PM
Vic Walter and Paula Cohen Report:
Former Congressman Mark Foley's stay at an Arizona rehab center has been extended beyond the standard 30 days.
Sources close to Foley tell ABC News he is still at the Sierra Tucson treatment center and is still going thru "the healing process."
The Florida Republican checked into Sierra Tucson on Oct. 1, two days after he resigned from Congress in disgrace. Today Foley's attorney told the Associated Press that Foley will stay longer but did not specify how long.
Sierra Tucson offers treatment for "Sexual Addiction/Compulsivity" and other psychiatric and behavioral issues as well as alcohol and drug abuse. In a statement released by his lawyer Oct. 2, Foley said, "I strongly believe that I am an alcoholic and have accepted the need for immediate treatment for alcoholism and other behavioral problems."
At Sierra Tucson, patients take part in daily group therapy sessions. The center also offers lectures, meals and recreational activities, like hiking and horseback riding. A 30-day stay costs about $30,000.
In addition to the former congressman, Sierra Tucson has treated a number of celebrities and is well-known in Hollywood circles. Actor Michael Douglas has talked about undergoing treatment there for alcohol abuse in 1992; Julie Andrews says she checked in for grief counseling in 1997.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
TOTAL CHANGE IN NET ASSETS
Year
2004 ($339,822)
2003 ($2,861,813)
2002 ($6,695,126)
2001 ($11,128,876)
2000 ($294,284)
In 2005, he was kicked out, so no information on his assets.
abdul_bin_mao,
This guy was in professor-Emetic" Slobo Thomas's neighbor hood
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Paul also counseled Haitian strongman Guy Philippe. Paul says he has also counseled Yugoslavia's Slobodan Milosevic and other world leaders, including rebels and terrorist groups in all 89 countries where his ministries operate<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>He hired people to beat him up in public at a Gospel Crusade Meeting, and tipped off CNN that there would be a newsworthy event, to garner public sympathy</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
11-05-2006, 10:51 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-05-2006, 10:59 AM by Husky.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Crook or Thug<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->He's a typical Christo.
The ancient Romans (of the Old Religion) wrote a lot about Christos, mocking Christo ways; they even wrote fictional novels about mercenary Christos making fortunes out of the gullible sheep. It's the same today.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually, he had not even changed his name, His official name is still Hindu. You never know he is true Siva bhakta.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->He's not a Shiva bhakta but the usual Christo: Christos often keep their Hindu names on purpose. It attracts less enmity and suspicion.
Of course, he's raking in the cash and is probably in the ministry business for the money. Many missionaries are (Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Benny Hinn, apologetics ministries, ...) but that doesn't make them less christian.
Christianity itself is a big fraud, so it only inspires the same behaviour in its followers.
And of course they want to make converts: more foolish converts means more moolah. Praise gawd!
The greatest christians in history were also the greatest fraudsters. For example, 6th century Pope Gregory became one of the richest men in his time thanks to the personal profits he made off the relic industry:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->GREGORY I 590-604 He was the first pope to enter the relic industry. He convinced the nobleman Dynamius that the cross he sold him (for lots of money) contained the 'filings' from chains worn by the blessed Apostle, St Peter himself, and that it would therefore free Dynamius forever from sins. After this first marketing success, the Pope embarked on duping more gullible Christians by selling them the "keys of St Peter 'wherein are found the precious filings and which by the same token also remit sins'" [<i>Holy Horrors</i> by James A. Haught].
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->...he [Gregory] laid the foundation of the temporal power and wealth of the Papacy through this fortunate belief of his that the end of the world was really approaching at last. A man with possessions, the Bible said, had as much hope of getting through the eye of a needle as of getting through the narrow gate of heaven. So the men who had large estates in Italy passed them over to the Papacy and looked for the heavens to open.
...
Pope Gregory ... was the greatest slave-owner in the world in the sixth century. Announcing that the end of the world was to come in 600 A.D., he kindly allowed land-owners and slave-owners to hand over their property to the Church -- God would not damn the Church for its wealth -- and enter monasteries. The Papacy soon had an income from land, of about two million dollars a year; a stupendous sum in those impoverished days. Enormous numbers of slaves tilled the eighteen hundred square miles of the Church's property. Gregory freed them occasionally: when they got money. He never condemned slavery. He would not allow any slave to become a cleric, and he expressly reaffirmed (Epp. vii, 1) that no slave could marry a free Christian.
-- The Story Of Religious Controversy, by Joseph McCabe, historian and former Franciscan monk<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->And then there was <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->JOHN XXII 1316-1334 This Avignon Pope was described as the world's richest man upon his death. The Catholic Encyclopedia justified his wealth by stating that he "had need of large revenues, not only for the maintenance of his court, but particularly for the wars in Italy". Pope John tried to convince the church's followers, including the clergy, that Christ did not live in poverty as depicted in the New Testament and put to death at least 114 Franciscan monks who disagreed with him. In his bull, Cum inter nonnullos, he declared it was heresy to suggest Jesus and his apostles owned no property. The notorious cullagium, the sex-tax that Urban II had made applicable to priests who had mistresses, John now extended to include celibate clergymen too. Any priest that did not pay up was immediately excommunicated.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->( http://freetruth.50webs.org/C2b.htm )
Christianity is a meme that lets those in power fleece the willing sheep until the duped flock have no more wool to keep themselves warm.
Majority of the christian evangelists in India are scam-artists. I'd like to actually say ALL, but who knows there might actually be one, or two (no, actually just one) that is decent - only because he sits in a prayer room quietly, and in secrecy (making sure that none of the other christian blood-thirsty hounds catch him at it), chanting Ohm Namah Shivaya in front of an image of Shiva, aspiring to become a better human being and a Realized soul, and hoping to be released from christianity's bondage.
The Indian evangelists are mostly losers, who having neither education nor skill, look upon 'preaching' as a career to make big bucks. Many have marxist backgrounds, and after the collapse of communism in many parts of the world and the withdrawal of funds by these countries towards marxist activities in India, these scam artists have drifted into christianity because that's where all the big bucks are now. They all aspire to be like pat robertson and other mega-rich western evangelists! All with their own private jets, mansions, and harem of models.
One of our earliest mega-rich evangelist in India of course was Paul Dinakaran, and now his son (god knows what his name his). Unfortunately, these local guys have been upstaged by international jet-setters like Benny Hinn, and that's really pissin them off. So, they are all trying to jump into the international bandwagon, of mega-bucks! Seems like this character K. Paul is another one of those aspirants.
The Dr. isn't for 'doctor,' it probably stands for the ' dumb reject.'
11-05-2006, 06:22 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-10-2006, 04:17 AM by Husky.)
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/gfa_gosp..._asia.html
"Gospel for Asia" - linked from url posted by Mudy
See methods they use. Mostly India, but Thailand, Nepal and China also mentioned.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The Solution</b>
[...]
Although half the countries in the world today forbid the Western missionary, now the native missionary can go to the nearest hidden people group. For example, an Indian can go to Nepal with the Gospel; North Americans cannot.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->No. Missionaries of all sorts were supposed to be forbidden in these countries. But one can't kick out internal terrorists as easily.
Yet 'native' missionaries are extremely dangerous. After all, one has only to recall what the 'native' christoterrorist missionaries of Korea did to their country.
If I were a christo, I wouldn't want to be called a 'native missionary'. Good native, good dog. All's fine as long as you don't presume to be their equal.
That reminds me: it's so interesting to find that when WASPy christians describe christo heaven, it sounds mighty segregated too. They allow that all kinds of christian people are in heaven, but nevertheless everyone 'in their place'. Native missionaries too, of course.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Silas Fox, a Canadian who served in south India, learned to speak the local native language Telugu and preached the Word with such anointing that hundreds of present-day Christian leaders in Andhra Pradesh can trace their spiritual beginnings to his ministry. I thank God for missionaries like Hudson Taylor, who against all wishes of his foreign mission board became a Chinese in his lifestyle and won many to Christ.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->'local native' language - the writer is talking about 'local language of natives', else why duplicate the meaning with both the words local and native? Eternal colonial christoracism.
How native missionaries are to become a stooge for the christos from the west:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->So, are native missionaries prepared to carry on cross-cultural evangelism? The answer is yes, and with great effectiveness! Most of the native missionaries we support, in fact, are involved in some form of cross-cultural evangelism. Often, GFA evangelists find they must learn a new language, plus adopt different dress and dietary customs. However, since the cultures are frequently neighbors or share a similar heritage, the transition is much easier than it would be for someone coming from the West.
They are Asians, many of whom already live in the nation they must reach, or in nearby cultures just a few hundred miles from the unevangelized villages to which they will be sent by the Lord. The situation in world missions is expressing only when you think of it in terms of 19th-century Western colonialism. If the actual task of world evangelization depends on the âsending of the white missionary,â obeying the Great Commission truly becomes more impossible very day. But, praise God, the native missionary movement is growing, ready today to complete the task.
Christians need to learn that they are not giving their money to native workers, but Godâs money to His work overseas. Making a sacrifice for one of the unknown brethren â supporting his work to a strange people in a strange place, using methods that are a mystery to you âdoes take humility.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->'Strange people, strange place' - how condescending. Typical. 19th century colonial missionary impressions have never been abandoned.
Up the points in christo missionaries' heavenly scorecards whenever they add another one to non-existent gawd's collection.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Christians in the West must abandon the totally unscriptural idea that they should support only white missionaries from America. Today it is essential that we support missionaries going from south India to north India, from one island of the Philippines to another, or from Korea to China. Unless we abandon the racism implied in our unwritten definition of a missionary, we never will see the world reached for Christ.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Get used to it. Christianity is racist, because it's intolerant. It will not change.
More christian bigotry and more of their 'logic':
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The masses of India are starving because they are slaves to sin. The battle against hunger and poverty is really a spiritual battle, not a physical or social one as secularists would have us believe. The only weapon that will ever effectively win the war against disease, hunger, injustice and poverty in Asia is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Christos won't ever learn (and if they do, won't ever admit) that christianity which came with the swell christo Brits and christo Portuguese is to blame for the poverty. Using their logic christianity equates to sin (if I believed in their notion of sin).
First the christians come and colonise, stealing all our accumulated wealth and reducing us to famine and utter poverty and then they come again 50+ years on and have the nerve to talk about how, because we lacked their christoterrorism, we're poor and malnourished. Either they are really, really ignorant (christoterrorists are undereducated after all, what with learning Unintelligent Design and all) or much worse.
The content at that Gospel for Asia page is predictably embellished with many sobstories of martyrs, to make any christo reading it teary-eyed and thus more eager to donate to the holy cause.
But it's a comforting illusion. Little do they know how unreliable most of these 'native missionaries' - as they are called - are. Mudy's post 85 is a case in point.
Christian storytelling about persecution and martyrs is not in the least reliable either, as by far most tales of christo martyrdom in the Roman empire have been shown to be entirely fictitious by martyrologists; and in fact, the people who were martyred for their religion were Romans of the Old Religion. Can we trust the martyrdom tales christos write today? One has but to read about how christoterrroists are terrorising the unsaved Akha hill tribe of Thailand and genociding the unconverted native Americans of South America to decide.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Moses Paulose, who is today one of the native missionaries we sponsor. [...] God called Paulose and his family to take the Gospel to the unreached fishing villages of Tamil Nadu on the East Coast of India.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I think there was some passing defender of the holy faith going by that unique name here at IF. I'd never come across the name Paulose before, until then. And now again in the Gospel for Asia page. Is that like some Indianised version of Paul?
<span style='color:red'>Catholic marchers turn on Glastonbury pagans</span>
Thair Shaikh | Saturday November 4, 2006 | The Guardian
· Police arrest youth on suspicion of harassment
· Priest distances church from intimidation
In scenes reminiscent of medieval witchhunts, Catholic pilgrims in Glastonbury have attacked pagans and threatened to "cleanse" them from the town.
Local pagans were pelted with salt and branded witches who "would burn in hell" during a procession organised by Youth 2000, a conservative Catholic lay group. The Magick Box, a pagan shop on the route of the march, was also singled out and attacked.
Maya Pinder, the owner of the shop, said: "We've had to hear comments such as 'burn the witches', we've had salt thrown in our faces and at our shop, people were openly saying they were 'cleansing Glastonbury of paganism'.
"It was as if we had returned to the dark ages. This is hugely damaging to Glastonbury ... it is hard enough to trade in Glastonbury as it is, if you were to take away the pagan element it would be a dead town." The Somerset town is known for having a large population of resident and visiting pagans.
The archdruid of Glastonbury, Dreow Bennett, said: "To call the behaviour of some of their members medieval would be an understatement. I personally witnessed the owner of of the Magick Box being confronted by one of their associates and being referred to as a bloody bitch and being told 'you will burn in hell'."
Father Kevin Knox-Lecky of St Mary's church said that after meeting representatives of the pagan community he had decided not to invite Youth 2000 to the town again.
He said: "A family appeared who we don't know, who were very destructive not only in the town and to the pagan community, but were also swearing at our parishioners as well."
He said the majority of Catholics taking part in the procession had been well-behaved and respectful of the pagans.
The retreat was organised last week to mark the 467th anniversary of the beheading of the last abbot of Glastonbury Abbey, Richard Whiting, and fellow martyrs.
Youth 2000 describes itself as "an independent, international initiative that helps young adults aged 16-35 plug back into God at the heart of the Roman Catholic Church".
It was set up 10 years ago by a disenchanted Catholic barrister who wanted a return to the traditional teachings of the church for young people.
Charlie Conner, the managing director of Youth 2000, said: "There were several incidents that happened that same weekend that were linked to people who had come to Glastonbury for the retreat. This was in direct contravention of the general spirit of Youth 2000 and its express instructions. The young man who was fined was not in fact registered on the retreat, although he did attempt to attend it.
"Youth 2000 does not condone or encourage this kind of behaviour from anyone. We fully agree that differences on matters of faith cannot and should not be resolved by any kind of harassment."
A spokesman for Avon and Somerset police confirmed a youth had been arrested at Magick Box on suspicion of causing harassment, alarm or distress.
Two women were also given cautions and warned about their future conduct.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story...77,00.html
D G S Dinakaran id father and Paul is son, and daughter Stella Dinakaran
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Prayer Towers" founded by <b>DGS Dinakaran, a former bank officer turned evangelist, who is co worked by his son Paul Dinakaran, both now jet set Television evangelists; have built an empire, that spans the entire subcontinent, sikkim, Srilanka and Northeast, have an extensive network of affiliates</b>. 'Prayer for the asking', 'Prayers by telephone' are some of the unique sales proposition, which made the group popular. What was earlier localized propaganda, became with the arrival of private TV channels, the reach of this group became extensive, and a successful endeavor..
The Christian organisation HQ located in Green Ways Road, a posh locality of Chennai apparently amidst government bungalows, bribed the local officials in "nallur vayal", near coimbatore, to change the existing name to a Christian one, and also has planned to convert 15000 Hindus to Christianity, in Anaikatti, Coimbatore, where the group is running an engineering college. In anaikatti, swami Dayanandha saraswathi is having his ashram. Also Chinmaya mission is having its campus. <b>The four journals reported, that the missionary also prevented Chinmaya mission, legally blocked construction of a Siva temple, within its campus for years.</b> The magazine also reported that the missionary also spread rumour about the Hindu ashrams, to defame them.
"A plan to convert 15000 Hindus foiled" (Kumudam reporter 6 June, 2002), "Villages exploding against Dinakaran and Paul Dinakaran" was the cover story. "The evangelist attempted whole scale evacuation of people in the karunya nagar region (coimbatore)". Enroute from siruvani to Coimbatore lies " nallur vayal'. Now this village's name has been changed to karunya nagar. Ever since the missionary and evangelists DGS Dinakaran started the karunya engineering college in the area, slowly the identity of this place is getting lost, and everything is becoming christianized (karunyaised).. karunya post office.karunya police station. Karunya telephone exchange.It did not stop with this the rumour was thick in the air that conversions are going on. When the missionaries wanted to plant a huge cross on Dakshina kailas.. Even the docile Hindu heads got agitate.. With the result was the formation of the " Dakshina Kailas Padugappu Mahandu', on May 30, 2002, <b>a huge conference was organised, headed by Kanchi kamakoti peetam sankaracharya, Swami Jayandra saraswathi. More than twenty heads and pontiffs of Hindu religious institutions, the RSS and Hindu Munnani, and general public had participated in the meeting condemning the atrocities</b>
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Dinakaran's family is another fraud and crook enterprise
Many city raised convent educated ignorant Indians while writing for westerns unnecessarily and incorrectly state details about Hinduism. It affects all of us and all of our efforts in rectifying several things. Some how we need to tackle this ignorant portrayal.
http://www.timeforkids.com/TFK/magazines/s...1020148,00.html
"Most Indians are Hindus. The Hindu faith teaches that people are born into distinct social classes, called castes (kasts). The lowest class is the untouchable caste. Traditionally, jobs are determined by caste. Untouchables have the worst jobs. Modern laws ban discrimination against untouchables, but in many parts of India, families from this caste still suffer."
Good info is about work being done by non-sectarian(with Christian influence; but money is being invested; can serve as an example to many rich, when we approach. Read the following info.
http://207.57.5.152/shanti.html
http://207.57.5.152/home.html
http://www.indiauntouched.com/author.htm
<b>Governor Rick Perry</b> (of don't mess with Texas), after a God and country sermon attended by dozens of political candidates Sunday, said that he agreed with the minister that non-Christians will be condemned to hell.
Raju Slobo Thomas should be proud of this Gov Perry <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->
11-09-2006, 10:56 AM
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In his interview about a new book of his, biologist Richard Dawkins, author of many books and articles on evolutionary biology, discusses the objectives of global christoterrorism emanating from the US and its power in their government.
<b>Below follows the transcript of 6 to 7 minute mark</b> of the video interview ( http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/04/richard-dawkins.htm ):
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><i>Interviewer:</i> Do you think that political leaders are worse or more dangerous if they have a religious conviction?
<i>Dawkins:</i> Not all of them are worse, but there certainly are some I think who are.
If you believe that you have a divine mission, if you believe that god told you to invade Iraq...
If, in even more extreme cases, if you believe (I don't think any leading politicians believes this, but certainly many of their constituents do in America, believe that <span style='color:red'>Armageddon is devoutly to be desired, because that's the end of the world which will presage the second coming of christ - many of Bush's constituents literally do believe that; they long for nuclear war - he doesn't, but he's supported by a lot of people who do</span>) - um, it could very well be the case that being religious, having that kind of faith, that kind of conviction, that kind of unshakeable conviction, could be very dangerous in a in a politician. It means you don't listen, it means you don't, um, you don't listen to advice, you simply know what's right, because god told you or the holy book told you.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Christo terrorists, islamic terrorists - they're all the same. They want to destroy the world and all of life, just to please their prophet or son of gawd or gawd or allah or whoever.
Then they go spreading this terrorism in India and the rest of the unconverted world through missionary terrorism.
Can't they just blow themselves up or fight each other to the death somewhat like in celebrity death match, and leave the rest of us alone and out of it? Some of us actually like to live... We don't believe in a second coming of the non-existent jeebus creepus and don't care for christos to precipitate an Armageddon.
I have the ~1 min soundbyte of this segment recorded in mp3 format (450 kB). If Admin doesn't mind me uploading it, I will. Although I think that transcript above is fairly accurate.
Also check out
http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/19/fsm-in-london.htm
(FSM = Flying Spaghetti Monster, a satire, which started as a protest against introducing UnIntelligent Design (ID) into Kansas schools. It has grown since to represent the worries science-friendly people feel about the encroaching christo-stupidity.)
Between all the comedy, some serious stuff going on there. Some christos in the UK, inspired by the American variety of the terror, have organised to take advantage of the absence of laws on state-church separation in the UK to enforce ID in British schools.
Christos are just scary with all their efforts to 'prove' the world is flat all over again ('proof' by ensuring that all opponents are silenced in some manner). Hope such nutcases don't migrate to where I am...
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Former Sikhs reach out to India from Canada
By David F. Dawes
A REMARKABLE Canadian outreach is bringing Sikhs to Christ in India's Punjab state.
Binder and Harjit Mahil.
Binder and Harjit Mahil work with Sikh converts at a church in Surrey, B.C. Last year, the couple were instrumental in planting a church in India. That church's pastor, Balhar Singh, was recently in B.C., after spending the past two months preaching to congregations in Toronto, Edmonton, Calgary, Kamloops and Vancouver. The three recently spoke to CC.com about their project.
After he accepted Christ more than two decades ago, Binder said he "had a desire to make the message of Christ known to my people in their own language -- i.e. Punjabi. So I started a fellowship -- first in houses. Then in 1998, with brother Baljit Shergill, I started a group -- the Punjabi Christian Centre -- in Bear Creek Community Church, in Surrey."
In 2001, he was ordained by Bear Creek to be the volunteer pastor for the Punjabi congregation. His activities, he said, extend beyond work at the Surrey facility. "Regularly I encourage new converts by phone, and also visit them whenever called to do so -- even out of province."
The Mahils' desire to deliver the gospel message to Sikhs in their home country resulted in a team effort involving Singh. "Sharing the strong urge to reach our people," said Binder, "I bought a projector to show movies about Jesus, and a van to transport the projector to different villages -- which is a more accepted way to learn about Jesus in rural Punjab."
He and Singh "also felt the need for people in India to have a place to meet. So in 2002, myself, Baljit and a couple of persons from the English group at our church [travelled] to India and built a church -- the Doaba Punjabi Christian Sabha -- in Banga, which is central to five big cities in Punjab. Punjabi believers and non-believers also helped in the project. We donated our own money to buy the land; we borrowed money, and also received some from friends and acquaintances -- all of them Sikhs."
Asked why Sikhs would donate to a Christian cause, Singh stated: "They saw the Christian way of life of Sikhs who accepted the Lord." Harjit Mahil added: "All these people could see the effect of faith on Binder's life."
The Banga project, Harjit emphasized, was not without difficulties. "When we started the church in India, there was opposition." Their opponents, said Singh, were "religious fanatics" from three different groups. A one point, said Binder, the extremists "tried to kidnap the overseer of the project."
"They chased him in a car, but he escaped," said Singh. "We're not sure who they were." He asserted that the same people "threatened the workers, to stop the construction." Harjit added: "They also went to the home of the contractor to threaten him." When some of the workers abandoned the project out of fear, Binder and the other B.C. visitors finished the work. "We had support from the local people," said Singh.
The opposition has died down, he declared, but has not totally gone away. "The extremists still make threatening phone calls -- but nothing more." However, their efforts no longer have an impact. "Many non-Christians come and join us in worship, from all faith communities -- including Hindus and Sikhs."
"We are thankful to the Lord," said Binder, "that the group meeting there has grown to about 70 regular attendees. We had five adults baptized in October, and eight more are ready now. Many seekers for Christ come to our church." The ministry is supported by Sikh converts in various Canadian cities, as well as former Sikhs in England.
CC.com asked the trio to recount their own conversion experiences. "I was born in Mahilgailan, Punjab, India, in a Sikh family [of the] Jatt caste," said Binder. "I was an average Sikh; I went to the temple, but not regularly. I came to Canada at the age of 19, in 1978. Five years later, I accepted the Lord at South Abbotsford MB Church."
Prior to his conversion, he said, "Sunday was for me a day of drinking with my friends. My father -- though a non-Christian himself -- encouraged me to attend the Hindi worship service in the church. For an unknown reason, I agreed at once to go into the church -- and heard the good news of Jesus Christ. That day, the Holy Spirit started moving in my heart. In 1983, I received baptism from pastor David Manuel." Over the past decade, he says, "The Lord Jesus has delivered me from the things of my past life."
His wife also received Christ through the influence of her father. "My dad became a Christian in India, when I was a child," said Harjit. "I was raised in a Christian home, but with a Sikh extended family."
"I accepted Christ in 1981," said Singh, "when I was working in West Germany. I went back to India, and attended Bible school from 1982 to 1986. Then I began to preach; and I started a church in 1988. My purpose was to minister to the Indian people." His work has born fruit. Among other things, he said, "I've baptized 18 Hindus over the past 11 years."
In addition to his work with the church, Singh translates Christian literature from English into Punjabi for various evangelical organizations in India. Also, he is currently writing a Punjabi Bible concordance -- something which has never been done before.
Binder Mahil's ministry also involves media outreach. He and his colleagues work with Trans World Radio, producing a program entitled Mukti da Raah -- which is broadcast into B.C., Alberta and Toronto. Mahil and Shergill also produce pamphlets aimed at Punjabi Sikhs.
In an approach reminiscent of the apostle Paul -- who, in Acts 17:28, quoted Greek poetry while addressing the men of Athens -- the pamphlets utilize Sikh scriptures, terminology and concepts as vehicles for communicating biblical truths. For example, one of their writings cites a Punjabi term, Shabad, to illuminate one of the Bible's key concepts of Christ: Jesus as "the Word," as expressed in John 1:1-14.
Affirming that "Shabad / Word means God, or Lord," the pamphlet then refers to several quotes from sacred Sikh texts, stating: "We learn that from the beginning God, who is Word / Shabad, made everything -- and then made a body for Himself and lived with us.
"What does it mean by Shabad in flesh? Let us first see in Gurbani regarding this Shabad. Adi Granth tells us in page 165 regarding this Shabad: 'hari aape Shabad Surti dhuni aape' (The Lord Himself is Shabad -- He Himself is the awareness) . . . . Page 1237 [states]: 'Aape aap niranjna, jini aapu upaiaa. Aape khel rachaeon sabh jagat sabaia' (The immaculate Lord Himself, by Himself, created Himself. He Himself created the whole drama of all the world's play).
"As we see from Gurbani (Sikhs' holy book) that God Himself was Word / Shabad and God Himself made everything and then created Himself -- or, as some understand that, He showed Himself in the form of the world."
The Mahils' future plans for the Banga congregation include providing medical care, sewing classes for young women, and tuition money for low-income students.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Pentecost-Communist nexus disrupted Bagavatha Sapthaham</b>
11/14/2006 1:30:35 PMÂ HK Correspondent
Haripad: Anti-hindu, Christian Pentecostâs tried to intrude and disrupt the 'Bagavatha Saptaham at Thrikunapuzha Mazhukal Sri Krishana swamy temple here
The Hindu devotees who questioned the intruders are now being made culprits and charged under false case with the help of the ruling Marxist party.
<b>Almost a 100 strong Pentecost group members came to the temple premises in cars and vans where the Saptaham was going on and tried to disturb the Sapthaha Parayanam by conducting loud speeches against Hindu gods and goddesses and created noise pollution with the intention of stopping the Saptaham</b>.
The residents of this area protested when the pastor started his preaching activities.<b> The agitated Pentecostal people took the help of CPM activists and lodegd false complaints against the devotees</b>.
A large number of fishermen and coir workers live in this coastal area. <b>For the past several years the Pentecostal pastors used to distribute pamphlets and offer financial assistance to Hindus of this area with the intention of converting them to Christianity.</b> The local people strongly protested the conversion attempts by the Pentecostal pastors so far.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Christian PIL seeks grant similar to Haj Subsidy</b>
11/16/2006 4:37:52 PMÂ
PIL seeks subsidy for Christians
source:www.dailypioneer.com
Kochi:The Kerala High Court on Thursday reserved its orders on a public interest litigation seeking a direction to the <b>Centre to grant subsidy to Christians for their pilgrimage to Israel and Palestine.</b> The petitioner Francis Albert general secretary of the Latin Catholic Aikya Vedi submitted that Christians should be given subsidy <b>at least on the eve of Christmas and Easter on the lines of subsidy being granted to Muslims for their pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina</b>. A Division Bench of Chief Justice VK Bali and Justice S Sirijagan reserved orders on the petition. The petitioner also sought constitution of a <b>high power pilgrimage committee for Christains on the pattern of the Haj Committee</b>
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Kerala High Court on Thursday reserved its orders on a public interest litigation seeking a direction to the Centre to grant subsidy to Christians for their pilgrimage to Israel and Palestine.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I think the saved should pay their own way, but that they should indeed make their pilgrimage to the famed holy land. In fact, these catholics and christians of any other kind should also visit Rome, especially the vatican. Whether in the Holy land or Rome, they will see how all the oldest and most famous churches (which they are doubtless anxious to visit) were built over ancient Roman and Greek temples which were demolished by the christos. The history of christoislamism is one of destruction, as is the present.
I think this PIL is for the good. It will make judiciary clarify the matter regarding Haj subsidies. HC/SC will end up asking many uncomfortable questions to the politicians about the rationale for Haj subsidies in a secular country. Most likely effect of this PIL would be the courts directing cancellation of Haj subsidies.
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St. Clements church in Rome (also mentioned in DaVinci code) is small but beautiful, and has three layers one on top of another. The lowest layer still has a rather well preserved Mithra-temple. They have even reinstalled a Mithra statue there for tourism purposes, I suppose. Although right outside there was a disclaimer saying that letting that statue be there was only meant to let people know about the one true god through a counter-example.
The Mithraeum was rather small with underground passages, some rooms, even an underground water stream and the main temple area. The main temple had a white statue of Mithra in front of which there was a square column showing Mithra slaying the bull in relief.
I had very strange feelings there. Going from top level of the church to the bottom level of the Mithraeum was like a time travel, stepping down the steps of millenia, and examples of vanquished religions and victorious ones. One western tourist girl looked positively scared while walking around the underground passageways of the Mithraeum. I was perfectly at peace and even felt elated.
I remembered some vedic chants regarding the solar deity Mitra and offered my pranams.
Girls at the sales desk gave me an inquisitive look when I showed rather enthusiastic tendency to primarily buy the pictures of the Mithraeum.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I remembered some vedic chants regarding the solar deity Mitra and offered my pranams. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Very interesting account. The last pagan roman emperor Julian has a hymn to the solar divinity. He is referred to in syncretic form as mithra-helios. Importantly he mentions a triad of solar deities which is reminiscent of mitra-varuNa-aryaman.
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