Joshua Project tracks every 'unreached' human population in the world with a precision which sensus of UN or governments will envy! See this dataset: http://www.joshuaproject.net/religions.php?ror3=5
I just did a search for 'dadupanthi', and here it is, there are 2100 Dadupanthis living in the states of Uttar Pradesh (1,400) Rajasthan (400) Madhya Pradesh (100) Uttaranachal (100). Poor fellows are "most unreached people" waiting for Joshua project to give them good news!
http://www.joshuaproject.net/peopctry.php?...=111860&rog3=IN
12-30-2006, 05:11 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-30-2006, 07:41 AM by Bodhi.)
These folks have so much micro-information and data about each and every people group around the globe!! You got to see this to beleive this. Take this for just an example. "Tipera" live in Bangladesh, on border with Tripura. Total poulation is about 37,000 people primarily Hindus.
Now this is howmuch analysis Joshuaproject has done on them, and data churning collected: http://www.joshuaproject.net/peopctry.php?...=110073&rog3=BG
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What are their beliefs?
The Tipera are nominally Hindu but are animists in practice, believing that non-human objects have spirits. They also have a number of shamanistic practices, which are based on the belief in a world of unseen gods and demons. They worship various gods of nature, such as those of fire, water, and the forest. They believe shamans (priests), called ojhas, have great influence with the spirits of nature. The Tipera are extremely superstitious, believing that it is bad luck for a kite to land on a roof, for a crow to caw on a roof, or to build a house where another has burned down.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What are their needs?
The Tipera have staggering physical and spiritual needs. Their nation, Bangladesh, has one of the lowest standards of living in the world. Medical care is poor, income is low, and illiteracy is high. Periodic cyclones and floods ravage the country, causing widespread death and destruction.
Hinduism, animism, and shamanism are deeply entrenched in Tipera daily life. At present, four missions agencies are working among the people, but very few villagers are Christians. The language is divided into at least 36 dialects, making Bible translation very difficult. Only persistent intercession can break the strongholds over the lives of the Tipera.
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Just notice how scientificall they have dimensionized the data...!
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='color:red'>People Profile</span>
People Name This Country: Tipura, Kok BorokÂ
People Name General:Â TiperaÂ
Alternate People Names: Kok Borok Kokbor
Tippera-Bengali Tipperah
Tripura Tripuri
People Code: 110073
Population in this Country: 37,000
Population in all Countries: 642,000Â
Least-Reached: No
Ethnic Tree
Affinity Bloc: Tibetan / Himalayan Peoples
People Cluster: Garo-Tripuri
People Name General: Tipera
Ethnic / Culture Code: MSY50sÂ
Language
Primary Language: Kok Borok (37,000 Speakers)Â
Language Code (15th): trp Ethnologue Listing    Rosetta Stone Listing
Language Code (14th): TRP
Total Languages Spoken: 1Â
Religion
Primary Religion: HinduismÂ
Major Religions:
Buddhism 0.00 %Â Â
Christianity 3.82 % (Evangelical: Unknown %)
Ethnic Religions 0.00 %Â Â
Hinduism 96.18 %Â Â
Islam 0.00 %Â Â
Non-Religious 0.00 %Â Â
Other / Small 0.00 %Â Â
Unknown 0.00 %Â Â
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='color:red'>Joshua Project Progress Indicators </span>
Least-Reached: NoÂ
Progress Scale: 3.1Â (Evangelicals >2% but <=5%. Probable group of evangelical fellowships )
Need-Ranking Score: < 25 Details
Global Evangelical Status: Level 2 Less than 2% Evangelical. Initial (localized) church planting within past 2 years
Bible Translation StatusÂ
Bible Portions: 1959-1983
New Testament: 1976
Complete Bible: 1998
And there is link where like wiki, users may submit online Bible translations etc.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='color:red'>Prayer Points </span>
Ask the Lord to send forth laborers who understand the culture and needs of the Tipera.
Ask the Holy Spirit to bless the efforts of the four missions agencies that are currently working among the Tipera.
Pray that the entire Bible, the Jesus film, and other evangelical materials will be translated into the Tipera language.
Pray that the Lord Jesus will reveal Himself to the Tipera through dreams and visions.
Pray that God will save key Tipera leaders who will have opportunities to share the love of Christ with their own people.
Take authority over the spiritual principalities and powers that are keeping the Tipera bound.
Ask God to raise up prayer teams who will begin breaking up the spiritual soil through worship and intercession.
Ask the Lord to bring forth a triumphant Tipera church for the glory of His name!
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And the website is like wikipedia - allows information contributions by web users!
How resourceful these folks must be!
Indian NGOs and local chruch provide these information. Yes ,they are spies.
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..and these fools believe in things like Jesus Christ and think *Hindus* are superstitious.. <!--emo& --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo& --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
By the way, the Conversion of America project is doing quite well
10 million vegetarian "Christians"
90 million yoga practicing "Christians" in 2007
200 million "Christian" believers in Karma..
Hare Krishna! May more poor souls who have lost their way into the gutters of Christianity have their hearts opened by the Primordial Lord Shiva Shambhu! Bam bam bhole!!
<b>US Church offers abuse settlement </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A Roman Catholic diocese in the US state of Washington has agreed to pay at least $48m (£24.7m) as compensation to people abused by priests.
<b>A judge said the plan, designed to lift the Spokane diocese out of bankruptcy, includes non-economic provisions to give victims some "closure". </b>
The Spokane diocese serves some 90,000 Catholics in Washington state.
It is the latest in a series of multi-million dollar settlements offered by US churches in abuse claims
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How to win Hindu or how to create a population to abuse in future?
01-06-2007, 10:59 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-06-2007, 12:42 PM by Husky.)
http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/2m-church...7777312343.html
<b>$2m (Aus dollars) church abuse settlement in US</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Eighteen people who claimed they were sexually abused by priests have settled their lawsuits against the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Denver, in the US, for a total of at least $US1.6 million ($A2.04 million), their lawyers said<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"It's a time for us to be grateful that there's closure, but also not to forget the pain they've experienced," Archbishop Charles Chaput said.
<b>Twenty lawsuits against the archdiocese remain.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>EDIT:</b>
Not familiar with the geography of the US (which cities are in which state). It's Denver mentioned above, not Washington. That and the different amounts of money involved, seem to distinguish this event from the news referred to in post 167.
Here's some further indication that they are separate cases:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The settlement is the latest of several announced by dioceses around the United States.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Is that the catholic church trying to wipe the blood and tears of countless off its hands using greenbacks? Nice try. Won't work, but nice try. At least the victims get some kind of compensation for the christoterrorism they endured. And it's an admission of guilt (multiple instances of guilt) from the church's end.
www.ibnlive.com/news/vati...689-2.html
<b>Vatican didn't know Archbishop spied</b>
Oh sure !!
01-09-2007, 10:14 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-09-2007, 10:19 AM by Bharatvarsh.)
My comment in the square brackets:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What is so important for name? Try this name for a change!
By Rajendra Chaddha
What is common between Daya Shankar, Dinesh, Sunil, Nirmala, Deepak, Kirti,
Shakti Singh, Bhanu Pratap, Vivekenanda, Kapil, Manohar, Vidyadhar, Arvind,
Shanti Prasad, Premchand, Vimla, Anand, Vinod Kumar, Jyoti, Rajni, Jai Shree,
Yashwant, Shalini, Ajay Singh and Ajat Shatru?
These are Hindu names, seem to be the only common factor between the above
mentioned words. Prem Chand was the great Hindi writer, Vivekananda the Hindu
saint, Kapil (Dev) the cricket player, Bhanu Pratap (Shukla) a media
commentator, Yashwant (Sinha) India's Finance Minister and Ajat Shatru the
Tourism Minister of Jammu and Kashmir. The rest names like Dinesh, Sunil,
Deepak, Manohar, Arvind, Anand, Vimla, Vinod and Jyoti are the most popular
Hindu names. What else could be the common factor between the above mentioned
names and hundreds of similar names?
These are Christian names according to the book "Hindi Christian names"
published by the priests and brothers of the Society of St. Paul who "proclaim
the Gospel through the modern means of communication". A team of Christian
theologians under the Hindi Catholic Literature Committee has compiled the
names.
These names have been meticulously selected by the Christian missionary
organisations as the Hindi version of the Christian names to be used during
their evangelicalisation process in the Hindi belt. The existences of similar
text for other regions of India like Punjab, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and the
West Bengal could not be ruled out.
"The present list of Christian names is not exhaustive; still care has been
taken not to omit any name commonly used in northern India. Where this was not
feasible, the translation has been made to sound as like an existing name as
possible," says the forward of the book published in 1990.
This the Christian whose name should have been Abraham becomes 'Kulnath' having
the same meaning of "father of the multitude." Absolem meaning the father of
peace is given the Hindi name of Dayashankar. The Chrtistian name Adelbert
meaning nobly bright becomes Dinesh in the Hindi heartland. Deepak one of the
most common names of this part of the country is the Hindi equivalent of Albert
meaning illustrious. Similarly a Christian having the name Agatho which
literally means good and kind is popularly known as Sushil.
Adam, another Christian name, which means red earth, is known as Prithviputra.
The real name of Vir Singh, a Christian convert, is Amos meaning strong and
courageous. Bhanu Pratap is the Hindi convert of Apollonius, Kirti the Hindi of
Augustina meaning Exalted and consecrated and Rajendra and Bhupendra in fact
really is Basil meaning Kingly.
The Christian missionaries have changed Bertram into Vivekenanda and
Gyanachandra.
If Bruno, meaning brown, in Hindi has been given the name of Kapil and Bhurelal,
Callistus, meaning beautiful, becomes Manohar and Sudershan.
The names Vidyadhar, Budhi Chandra and Gyan Chandra has been chosen by the
Christian missionaries as Hindi equivalent of Conrad, meaning bold in counsel.
A baptised Erasmus is named Lalit and Sunder, Justin becomes Sunita, Joseph
becomes Buddhi Chandra, Joel becomes Anant Prakash, James becomes Vikrant, John
becomes Anugrah, Josue becomes Mukti Sagar and Imelda becomes Dev Raksha.
The compilers of the book say that the Hindi names have been chosen with similar
meanings. "In finding an Indian, or rather Hindi, equivalent the normal
procedure has been to choose an existing Indian name having same meaning," the
forward of the book points out.
Thus Leander, meaning lion-man, is known as Shakti Singh; Lucy meaning light as
Jyoti; Margaret meaning pearl as Mukta; Martin meaning dedicated to Mars as
Mangala; Martha meaning ruler of the house as Malika; Matthew meaning gift of
god as Ishwarprasad and Dev Prasad; Mercedes meaning ransom as Neha and Monica
meaning lonely as Manika and Rani.
The Hindi name of Paula is Vinita and Anima; Peter becomes Shilalnanda or Shila
Chandra; Philip becomes Ashwaghosh; Rebecca as Rupa or Manjula; Richard as
Narendra; Rita as Swati; Roderick as Yashpal; Sabina as Manish; Samson as Surya
Kant; Sarah as Rajkumari; Sabistian as Shradha Kumar and Silvia as Vipin Kumari.
The book has also tried to give a rough guideline about giving names. "Indian
names ending in Anand should normally be taken by priests or religious only;
wherever such names occur, another equivalent has been provided for general
use," it observes.
According to the book the real name of Muktimani's should have been Stephen;
Jugal Kishore and Yugal Kumar as Thomas; Dev Das as Timothy; Vijay Kumar as
Victor, Jayanti as Victoria; Shanti Bala as Wilfred and Mukti Prakash as Xavier.
It is no surprise that Swami Mukti Prakash is a Christian leader.
The book has taken every effort not to include the Hindu religious names like
Rama, Krishna, Hanuman, Indra, Sita and Lakshmi. "Names reminiscent of Hindu
mythology have been carefully avoided," the book says.
The effort of compiling such Hindi names is not new. The very first attempt to
compile Hindi Christian names in a book form was published in 1956 under the
name of Hindi catholic Literature Committee. The book concedes that the
publication has been in demand. "The fact that after a lapse of thirty-two years
a pressing demand is made for this book is a sign of progress. Our Catholics are
becoming aware of their Indian heritage," the book notes. <span style='color:red'>[Why this sudden interest in heathen heritage, how do we not know if this ain't another trick in the inculturation strategy that is to be used to harvest our souls?]</span>
However the book has remained silent to certain questions that has been raised
due to its publication. The most prominent of them being: "What is the need of
such an organised effort and how closely it is related to their conversion
activities?"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hinduciviliz...n/message/10319<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And these are not Hindi names but Hindu names, for example Vir Singh is used all over North India not just in the Hindi speaking states.
Some of these names like Yashwant are also found in South India.
01-09-2007, 11:50 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-13-2007, 07:07 PM by Husky.)
Bharatvarsh - post 171,
many of the original names you mentioned are all pagan names of Europe.
For instance Augustina, Apollonius, Justin, Margaret and many others listed are all prechristian Roman pagan names (also variations on Margaret: Marga, Margot, Margo... and Margaret is <i>also</i> Persian, Zoroastrian). They had meaning in the ancient religion of Rome, even though today they have been reduced to 'just' the Latin meaning, like the Indian christos are trying to do with Hindu names by saying they are 'merely' Hindi.
Other Roman names (not christian): Anthony, Emily which are pagan Roman family names - house of Anthony (Antoninus), house of Emily (Emilius). Also Diana (Goddess) and a million others. You won't believe how many Indian christos I've met who have names like Justin and even Anthony.
Too many Greek names are also pagan: the major Indian christo errors are
- Sophia (neo-platonic ideal Sophia, later Gnostic Goddess of wisdom, taken into gnostic christianity and then banned in mainstream christianity). From Sophia comes Russian 'Sonya'.
- Helen, Helena which means Greek by ethnicity. Helen of Sparta.
- Dion, from Greek God Dionysus.
- Forgot to add Alexander ('defender of mankind'), Alexandra and derivates; and Philip (name of the father of Alexander III/the Great).
These and a zillion other names were banned in Greece for a long time precisely because of their pagan nature. Indian christos parade around with such names thinking they're 'European hence christian' and looking like fools in the process.
Allowed Greek names: Stephen, Lawrence - these are 'acceptable' to a certain extent for christians, as they are not just old Greek words but refer to that leafy thing on non-existent jeebus' head.
The above post mentioned Adelbert, which is an old Germanic name. Adelheid (Heidi), and a great many others are all old German names.
Frank means French (Francois). An Indian with this name makes no sense at all.
Richard, Robert, Edward, Edgar, Edmund, Emma, and a zillion other names are all Old-English (Anglo-Saxon) and have nothing to do with christianity either. But there are Indian christos with these names.
Fiona, Keira, Keith, bla bla bla are all Irish pagan names. Celtic.
There was a christo girl from Kerala with the name Fiona who was always ranting against Hinduism. I asked her what is she doing with a sacred Celtic name meaning "white, fair" (and related to the Celtic Goddess). She had no clue until I told her. I must give her some credit, within a month she had her name changed to a proper biblical one. <!--emo& --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It's one thing for Italians, Greeks, Germans, English or Irish to have these names - the Church at various times allowed them. Actually, the Church couldn't always stop them, so that's why they've been allowed.
But it's another for ignorant Indian christos to think the names have something to do with christianity.
I've been told that Catherine has to do with the Catharan sect of gnostic christianity which was genocided by the catholic church and whose ideas are not accepted by the orthodox or protestant churches either. Hence a christian with that name makes little sense either, unless they are okay with a heretic name?
Amos, Rebecca, David are Jewish names.
According to early christians (orthodox, roman catholics) and later christian reformers (protestants), only biblical names are allowed amongst christians - which are all stolen from Judaism, of course, but then, so is the Old Testament, so what can you do.
That meant that only OT and NT names are allowed in christianity. This means Paulus, Petrus, Marcus ('Mark') and the like which are all pagan Roman names <i>were</i> accepted because they appear in the NT.
But not even names of Roman emperors who converted to christianity were allowed because their names are pagan (like Justin from Justinian). And among the Protestants who did not care for saints, names of saints if pagan were not allowed either; obviously the catholic church had no choice here but to let it go.
Pope Benedict has the name of God Apollo now: Apollo Benedictus (Apollo the Good, but it was a <i>name</i> only when referring to Apollo).
For example, 4th century christoterrorist st john Chrysostom whined on about how only biblical names were allowed for christians, alongside his telling his monks to destroy the remnants of Greek culture and civilisation. (Meanwhile, Chrysostom is itself a pagan Greco-Roman name...)
Then in the christian paradise/theocratic Geneva under Calvin (protestant reformer in 16th century or so), he enforced the traditional christian view again: only christian (biblical) names allowed for all the people and children.
http://www.greatlie.com/en/articles.cfm?...tail&id=21
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->JOHN CHRYSOSTOM forbids use of Greek names
«None must call his children the (Greek) ancestors' names, be that of their father, their mother, their grandfather or their great grandfather, but instead you must use those of the righteous (of the Old Testament)».
John Chrysostom De inani gloria et de educandis liberis (690) 641.65 <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> http://dim.com/~randl/calvin.htm "Calvin - 16th Century Hitler/McCarthy"
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Calvinist Geneva, the "Protestant Rome," was a police state.
Calvin was a strict literalist, and believed that Biblical scripture was the absolute authority.
[...]
The naming of children was under strict church control. Only Biblical names were allowed. Feasting was prohibited for Christmas and Easter.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(Christmas and Easter were banned because all Reformers and protestants knew they were pagan, just like the European names were.)
So these rules account for the names allowed for Orthodox, Roman Catholic and Protestant christians. Calvin and st john Chrysostom know more about christianity and the bible than the newly-made ignorant zombies in India. So any Indian christos wanting to be proper christians would do well to mark what names are allowed for them.
Mary, Mariam, Miriam, Elizabeth, Elijah, David, Joseph, Jesus, Joshua, Rebecca, Jessica (?), Sarah, Susan/Suzanne, ..., are all okay for christians. To be fair, not a few of these are actually pagan Middle-Eastern names. Hence Suzanne and Miriam are also used by muslim Arabians, since it's an ancient Semitic name as well, and muslims are as confused as christians.
One day, the Indian church will rescind its decision to appropriate Hindu names - but only after it has converted a sufficient part of India. Until then, pagan names are temporarily okay. After that: a Calvinistic India will tell all the christo zombies still masquerading with Hindu names to change their names or else.
Christos are just thieves. Name theft is petty theft isn't it? <i>Petty</i> thieves.
EDIT:
post 171:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Martin meaning dedicated to Mars<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Mars is the Roman equivalent of Greek God Ares, right? (And March/Mart 3rd month of Roman calendar devoted to the God of War, Mars). Again, Martin is Roman pagan. What has it do with christianity and why are they translating this into its Hindu equivalent. Umm are christos always this ... clever?
[quote=Husky,Jan 9 2007, 11:50 AM]
One gets a little shock when told Rajashekar Reddy is a christian.! I shudder to think of
a Christian with a name such as Vivekananda!
Let Indian Christos have European names. pagan or otherwise. But they should not brandish 'hindu' names and add to the confusion !
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One gets a little shock when told Rajashekar Reddy is a christian.! I shudder to think of
a Christian with a name such as Vivekananda!
Let Indian Christos have European names. pagan or otherwise. But they should not brandish 'hindu' names and add to the confusion ! <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A lot of them already have Hindu names, their women still brandish the bindi, all this is done to grab reservations under false names and also to lull Hindus into asleep regarding the real numbers of xtians in India.
They have perfected the art of fraud ever since they gained power in Rome, in the Indian context the first fraudster of this sort was none other than the patron saint of Indian inculturation aka Robert DeNobili who claimed he was a Roman Brahmin with a lost Veda and made thousands of converts (most of whom later melted away after his death).
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A survey of Anglican vicars in Britain found that while some donât believe in heaven, more than half believe in life on other planets. Worse, only 68 of the 200 surveyed could name all 10 of the Bibleâs Ten Commandments. <!--emo& --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->Â <!--emo& --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The only two that were almost universally remembered were the ones about adultery and coveting thy neighborâs wife â both are no-nos. <!--emo&  --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
...Gosh. No one told us there would be a test.
http://www.thisistrue.com/what_do_you_know_5305.html
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01-10-2007, 09:22 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-10-2007, 09:30 AM by Husky.)
Post 173:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Let Indian Christos have European names. pagan or otherwise. But they should not brandish 'hindu' names and add to the confusion !<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I agree - they ought to stick to foreign names.
If someone's a christian, they ought to have a christian name instead of stealing Hindu ones in order to pretend they have a 'culture'. Hindu names are not part of some recently invented secular 'Indian' 'culture'. They are names derived from the millennia of Hindu civilisation and belong to Hindus, Jains and Buddhists(?)
In post 172, was just pointing out that many of the names Indian christos think are christian and which are being translated into Hindi and put in a list as 'Hindi christian names' are not even christian in the first place. Martin is my favourite though. (Though if I were a christo, I would be seriously embarassed by that faux-pas. But maybe it went over their head...)
There's several reasons that the christian church in India is working on getting the christo population to adopt Hindu names, besides the one Bharatvarsh highlighted in post 174. It's not only to keep their actual population numbers from becoming transparent (1).
(2) Working in politics, media or elsewhere, they can villify the actual Hindu population all the while their gullible Hindu readership or following imagines these frauds are Hindu and so doesn't question their motivations.
Not only christians do this, but communists and other anti-Hindus as well. And it has certainly helped that Suzanne (?) Arundhati Roy so far.
(3) Christians with Hindu names can more easily get Hindu spouses and make sure that even if they can't convert their spouse, they will baptise their children as christian. This ensures reduction in potential increase in Hindu population as well as increase in christian population. And it is one of the plans the Indian church has. (Not only the <i>Indian</i> church, but also churches among many other unconverted peoples in the world.)
One of the tailors my mother visits for her blouse pieces when in Chennai is a Hindu man. He got married to a woman he thought was Hindu, on account of her name and clothing (pottu, saree). He explained to my mother that he was very saddened when his wife insulted his pictures of Hindu Gods and how she and her brother told him to get rid of them. Later they kept asking him, then bothering him to convert. Since he thought it would ensure peace in the family and prevent the divorce she was threatening with if he didn't convert, he converted to the terrorist religion. He is now a 'christian' at home and a Hindu in his heart. My mother said he was rather depressed about it, but hopes that once his wife's brother is married and moves away, he might be able to convince his wife to let him bring his images back and not be so rude about his beliefs. Sadly, I don't think he has any luck. He will never get a divorce, because he is one of the vast number of good, simple, Hindu, traditional people.
Many Hindus have recognised that Indian muslims (men) have an active plan to marry Hindu women. For the same reason: reduction of kafirs, increase of faithful in the country.
But Hindus have not realised that the same is on in christianity, but with both christian women and men targetting Hindus (that is, the targets are both Hindu men and women). It is sleepwalking into disaster on our part to ignore the other terrorist religion merely because it is not openly threatening with Jihad every other day. Christianity has never made it a secret that it wants to convert India. And this is but another avenue the church is treading in its multi-pronged attack strategy.
India as an islamoterrorist or christoterrorist nation - neither option is appealing, as they are both the same anyway. Want to become TSP's clone as Mughalistan or a Nagaland-for-christ clone as an India-for-christ? How tempting, how about we pass?
See for instance the post about an Indian army officer's matrimonial advert for one of his daughters, posted here
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=62473
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The following is a matrimonial ad, on one of those online websites:
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I am Major B. XXXXX, father of YYYY, our 2nd daughter. She is
working in Hyderabad.Salary 20K. I am a Hindu (Goud) and my wife is a
Christian. I am a retired Army Officer and working as Faulty in an
Engineering College at Hyderabad. Eldest is our son,PGDCA, Manager in an IT
Firm at Bangalore. Our daughter in law is MBA, a Christian, working in an
IT Firm at Hyderabad. First Daughter,M Sc(Bio Tech), married to a Hindu,
Software Engineer in Bangalore. My wife is looking after my family.We are
interested in a Working Hindu Boy (except SC/ST or Brahmin), preferably an
engineer or PG, settled or want to settle in Hyderabad. He must have a good
family back ground, religious tolerance and should not expect any
dowry. Interested persons may contact me<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Even well-informed persons on this forum think the christian wife is innocent in all of this and only noticed the low sentiments of the 'Hindu (Goud)' husband in banning SC/ST/Brahmin applications. His restrictions are actually fortunate for the Hindus concerned.
Because, why is he seeking a Hindu at all? His daughter-in-law is a Christian, so what is his son? His other daughter is married to a Hindu (what is she??? if not a christian also), and what about the daughter for whom they are seeking a gullible Hindu suitor? What is she, it doesn't say.
But I can tell you with a high chance of being right that this family could well be similar to many other cases of Hindu men married to christian women in India. The children are all christian. Just like that tv personality Malaika Arora and her sister Amrita Arora, who are both catholic because they have a catholic mother and a Hindu father. (Thankfully Malaika married most suitably: a muslim. Hopefully her sister would make the same appropriate choice).
I think the cases are similar concerning the parentage of the catholic Lara Dutta, Kim Sharma and many others. At least these last two have western first names. Malaika and Amrita don't even have that. (Name theft again.)
In islamic countries of course, the church - even the pope, advises his flock to avoid marrying muslims. But it's open season on Hindus.
Hindu men make good targets, simply because of the fact that they don't see why ('all religions being equal') it should matter what religion the children are raised in. It does matter, because christianity like islam is a terrorist religion. If christian spouses of Hindus were really 'secular', why don't they raise their children in both religions (I wouldn't, but then I wouldn't marry a christoislamic person for any reason at all)?
Reminds me of the advice given in past centuries to European men wishing to marry someone: 'Always agree with the (girl's) dad on politics and the mum on religion'. Women were often even more into their religion, christianity, in the west. So you get cases like historian and ex-christian Joseph McCabe, raised Catholic by his Irish Catholic mum. His dad was English and Anglican (Protestant). Joseph McCabe wrote how he remembered himself as a child, threatening the anglican children at his school with hell-fire for their heresy. Funny stuff that.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One of the tailors my mother visits for her blouse pieces when in Chennai is a Hindu man. He got married to a woman he thought was Hindu, on account of her name and clothing (pottu, saree). He explained to my mother that he was very saddened when his wife insulted his pictures of Hindu Gods and how she and her brother told him to get rid of them. Later they kept asking him, then bothering him to convert. Since he thought it would ensure peace in the family and prevent the divorce she was threatening with if he didn't convert, he converted to the terrorist religion. He is now a 'christian' at home and a Hindu in his heart. My mother said he was rather depressed about it, but hopes that once his wife's brother is married and moves away, he might be able to convince his wife to let him bring his images back and not be so rude about his beliefs. Sadly, I don't think he has any luck. He will never get a divorce, because he is one of the vast number of good, simple, Hindu, traditional people.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can't understand why so many religious Hindus have this weak mentality, what is the point of going to mandir everyday and chanting your prayers if you can't stand up when dharma is insulted, these are what I would classify as "Gandhian Hindus", very religious like Gandhi was but very weak when it comes to defending their beliefs.
What is even worse is this guy is a man and usually in India the woman has to adjust to the husband's household not the otherway around, I certainly heard of no Hindu woman who married outside the community who managed to convert her spouse, it's usually she who gets converted or even if not converted, the kids are raised according to the fathers beliefs.
But I heard of so many Hindu men who were converted by Muslim and Christian woman, if that ain't shameful I don't know what is.
This is the prime reason why I don't like these naive Gandhian types, I would rather have a Varsha Bhosle any day over these types even though she is an agnostic according to herself.
01-10-2007, 09:44 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-10-2007, 10:11 AM by Husky.)
Actually came by to post something else entirely. Here it is.
This is hysterical (though unintentional, because these people have convinced themselves of it): http://www.thiaoouba.com/tomb.htm
<b>Jesus' tomb in Japan!</b>
In the Middle-East. No, it's Kashmir. No, it's Japan. Going once, going twice, gone!
Japan it is.
Why not. Why can't non-existent jeebus have multiple corpse locations like his non-existent brother/cronie st thomas, or the many other apostles.
This is always possible for a myth. He never existed, so he could have been born, lived, died and buried anywhere and indeed everywhere.
Probably the church and its christos will find a logical explanation: 'jeebus was murdered by them evil joos and evil pagan roomans and then his body resurrected itself miracoolusly and then... he got buried in Kashmir. No he just visited Kashmir, that's right. That's someone else's body in Kashmir, whatever ibn/cnn and the christo Indian channels are claiming. Because our beloved lawd jeebus is buried in Japan. It's a miracle. Praise Gawd. Gloria! In the name of the father, et filis et spiritus sancti...' <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh, oh, too much. Christoislamism and its never-ending spinning of opportunistic myths are always good for a laugh.
The gormless Indian government will doubtless be subsidising the trip to Israel, Old Palestine, Rome, ... Kashmir and now Japan for the faithful Indian flock.
01-10-2007, 10:05 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-10-2007, 10:42 AM by Husky.)
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I can't understand why so many religious Hindus have this weak mentality, what is the point of going to mandir everyday and chanting your prayers if you can't stand up when dharma is insulted, these are what I would classify as "Gandhian Hindus", very religious like Gandhi was but very weak when it comes to defending their beliefs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->You're right to a certain extent. But you don't realise that even though Chennai is a major city, most Tamils are Hindus who don't know much about what dangers are presently going on. They live their lives as they always have, working hard to keep their parents and siblings comfortable until they get married and then look after the additional family, without caring a hoot about all the DMK or other nonsense. They also don't know that the Church is actively working towards their destruction.
This tailor obviously thinks he is a one-off case. He thinks it's his brother-in-law's extremity that is to blame and inciting his wife. He doesn't know that in reality, it is christianity. And that he is but one of many cases. That's because he does not know christianity. He will never know christianity. He thinks his conversion just means that Jesus is the new name for his true Ishtadevam. He does not know that his wife will forbid him to speak to his children about the Hindu Gods or take them to the temple.
Not everyone in India is as unfortunately/fortunately aware of these things as they ought to be. In fact, most of them are not. They know zip about the terrorist religions. They ought to be informed, but language will be a barrier. He does not understand English and most of the informative works are in this foreign language.
Cognitive overload is also a barrier: too many fundamentally new concepts and reference systems to be exposed to. First must learn about christoislamic scriptures, then must learn christoislamic terrorist history, then must learn its terrorist present all over the world, then how it has seeped into the Indian system and is working the nation into self-destruction from behind-the-scenes.
Indians are very intelligent people, but cognitive overload is a hurdle for everyone. (Cognitive overload is why it's easier to learn using the computer when one is a child than when one starts at 90 for instance.) That's why many Hindus won't understand that there are religions that care more for the number of adherents than for the veracity of their central beliefs. Or that any religion would advocate killing the kafirs or would threaten with eternal hell-fire for the unbelievers.
Gandhi knew more about christianity. He was therefore not unknowing but wrong.
The Hindus we're speaking of just don't know and won't completely understand the issues at stake (they understand 'all paths lead to god' which is very sensible, but it was created at a time when there were no terrorist religions). These people still live mentally and spiritually in those better times, they can't understand that the world outside their lives - the one that they and their ancestors have always known - has changed so much.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070110/wl_n...zuela_dc_8
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>He cited passages of the bible </b>praising the redistribution of wealth, but gave no details to flesh out his nationalization plan against utilities, leaving investors to guess whether he wants the state to have a majority stake or 100 percent control.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didnt know Chavez was religious. What kind of xtian is he ?
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