Pakistan News And Discussion-10

[Naresh]

[center]<b><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Flight safety</span></b>[/center]

<b>Sir : More PAF aircrafts have been lost during peacetime than in active war duty. These losses include all varieties of aircraft, ranging from F16, Mirages, F6 etc etc. Does this not point to serious lapses in the airforce maintenance and engineering division, or is it pilot training which is the cause?</b> While PAF hosts Aviation Safety week, it needs to do some honest self-assessment regarding its deteriorating standards, as compared to what they were during times of Nur Khan or Asghar Khan. This poor nation cannot afford such mounting losses, which are brushed aside as a routine matter.

<b>The recent PIA Fokker crash came under a lot of scrutiny, ironically by retired PAF officers; <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>what about the over 14 PAF aircrafts that have crashed during last year? <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo--> It is time PAF puts its own house in order.</span>

IRFAN BUTT
Singapore</b>

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[Naresh]

[center]<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Pak Steel faces massive breakdown</span></b>[/center]

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[Naresh]

[center]<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Contrary to Govt’s claims : Pakistan’s overall debt rose by USD 1.22 Billion in July-December 2007</span></b> <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo-->[/center]

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[Guest]

They will get goodies from US tax money, I mean part of my hard earn money. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

<b>Woman minister killed by fanatic</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->GUJRANWALA, Feb 20: Punjab Minister for Social Welfare Zille Huma Usman was shot dead by a man described by police as a religious fanatic when she was going to address an open court here on Tuesday.

Police arrested the accused, Maulvi Mohammad Sarwer Mughal, and seized a pistol he was carrying. The accused had been charged with killing four model girls and injuring a dozen others some four years ago, and he was acquitted by a local court for lack of evidence.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Guest]

<b>Hindu jatha install idols at Pak temples </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Idols of Hindu Gods were installed at various ancient Hindu temples of Pakistan by the Hindu jatha that returned through the Wagah road here yesterday.

Disclosing this to mediapersons, Ms Laxmi Kanta Chawla, a senior BJP leader, said the<b> idols of the family of Lord Shiva, which were taken to Pakistan by Mr Banarsi Dass of Gurdaspur, were installed at the ancient temple of Katasraj as per the Hindu maryada on February 16. She said the idols of Radha and Krishna were also installed at the famous Krishna temple in Lahore on February 19.</b>
However, she rued that the<b> Wakf Board authorities did not allow them to take out a 'shobha yatra' before installing the idols.</b>

It is pertinent to mention here that many idols in ancient Hindu temples in Pakistan had gone missing and the government there had denied permission to install new ones. While most of the Hindu temples there were in a bad shape as they had not been taken care of by the authorities concerned.

However, after thaw in the Indo-Pakistan relations efforts were made by the Punjab government of Pakistan to renovate many Hindu shrines, which were in a dilapidated condition.

The holy <b>Katasraj temple is considered the second holiest shrine of the Hindus after ‘Jwalamukhi’. </b>It is connected with ancient temples of Lord Shiva and the Pandavas of Mahabharat epic. It is also known for the little known Buddhist stupa and historic ‘haveli’ of Hari Singh Nalwa, general of the army of Maharaja Ranjit Singh.
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[Naresh]

<b>Textile exports declined by 22% in January</b> <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo-->

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[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Nuggets from the Urdu press</b>
<b>Taliban to write curriculum</b>
As reported in Daily Pakistan, the Taliban have vowed to form their own education syllabus to stop the onslaught of the West in the areas controlled by them. They said that occupation forces are trying to change the thinking and religious identity of Muslims. In the first step, only the boy’s school would be established. An assistant of Mullah Omar, Abdul Hai Mutmayin, stated that one million dollars have been allocated for the project. The Taliban will revive the syllabus formed by the mujahideen during the occupation of Russians. He said this new syllabus would counter the allegations that the Taliban are against education.

<b>Pakistan is like a beggar on a footpath</b>
As reported in daily Express, according to a BBC report, President Bush didn’t mention Pakistan in his annual address. Pakistan officials are wary of accusations and attacks by American officials and Western media. They said that instead of appreciating our efforts to fight terrorism <b>we have become like a beggar on a footpath that is slapped by any passerby</b>. According to the BBC, the decision of the military establishment of Pakistan to send its citizens to fight holy wars in neighbouring countries is responsible for the present mess.  <!--emo&tupid--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pakee.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pakee.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<b>Only jihad can bring peace</b>
As reported in daily Express, the leader of local Taliban in South Waziristan, Baitullah Mehsud, said that occupied forces have to leave Muslim countries. He said that Jihad is mentioned in the Quran 480 times. We are fulfilling the obligations of God and only Jihad can bring peace to the world. They took a journalist to the site that was bombed by Pakistani planes on January 19, and said all the dead were local people. They denied very angrily that some corpses were removed before anyone had visited the site.

<b>Osama involved in Indian hijacking</b>
As reported in daily Nawa-i-Waqt, Osama bin Laden was directly involved in an Indian airplane hijacking in 1999. This was disclosed by South Asian policy fellow Bruce Raidal in a paper five years after the defeat in Kandahar. It said that Kashmiri militants were masterminded by Osama bin Laden, who hijacked an Indian plane from Kathmandu to Kandahar. Al Qaeda came close to Kashmiri jihadi groups of Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad after the hijacking.

<b>Kashmiri girl raped by police</b>
As reported in daily Khabrain, a Kashmiri girl, Fauzia Bibi, and her parents addressed a press conference in Islamabad and said that she was raped by Jehangir and by Zahid Anwar, both advocates, and then sold to Sajjad who took her to Karachi. She was being pressured to give a statement in favour of Sajjad by Rawalpindi police ASI Sadiq, who along with Umar Khattak and Zahid Anwar raped her. She was presented before magistrate Chaudhry Taufiq in January and then sent to Dar-ul-Aman. The supervisor of Dar-ul-Aman pressured her to marry the culprit and took her signature on a blank paper. She filed a petition with the Rawalpindi bench and was let free by the judge.

<b>Jailed for attacking a gynaecologist</b>
As reported in daily Express, a French court sentenced the French Muslim Fawad bin Mosa to six months in jail for attacking a male gynaecologist. His wife was in a hospital after giving birth and was later checked by a male gynaecologist. Fawad slapped the doctor and told him that it’s against Islam. The court ruled that the hospital is not a place where different treatments shall be demanded on the basis of religion.  <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<b>NATO responsible for bombing Europe</b>
As reported in daily Jang, Professor Daniele Ganser of France disclosed in her book, Nato’s Secret Army, that America was responsible for bomb blasts in the leftist countries of Western Europe during the last 50 years. The policy was to malign the governments in the eyes of people. This policy is still in place to make people fear Islam.

<b>Terrorist guests</b>
Columnist Nazir Naji wrote in daily Jang, that he wished our tribesmen would realise they will be in trouble because of foreign terrorists. The Taliban regime was targeted for sheltering foreign terrorists. The Taliban were ruling Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and the UAE had recognised them and they were negotiating with the US. The Taliban would have established themselves if the US recognised them. Osama bin Laden took advantage of being a guest and planned a world operation of terrorism and acted upon it. The Taliban were told to expel their guests but Mullah Omar stuck to the tradition of hospitality and this provided an excuse for world aggression against Afghanistan.

<b>Death only brushed him</b>
As reported in daily Jang, Dr Tahir ul Qadri, speaking at a Fazail-e-ahl-e-bait conference in Canada said that <b>Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) has disappeared from the world because death only brushed him and he is still alive. That is why the ummat-ul-momineen (wives of Prophet (PBUH)) were not called widows and didn't spend days in iddat. </b>Thus there is some logic in prohibiting the marriage of ummat-ul-momineen with others. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) foretold the shahadat (martyrdom) of Imam Hussein during his life as testified by ahadis of reputed sahaba-e-karam (companions of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). He said we shall follow the example of Imam Hussain and stand against evil and once again Islam shall reign supreme against the false religions of the world.

<b>Saddam Hussain is alive</b> <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
According to daily Nawa-i-Waqt, an Egyptian scholar Anees Aldaghidi claimed in his book, Lies of America that Saddam Hussain was not jailed nor he was executed and that both his sons are alive. In an interview with an Arab channel he said that a Ramazan Michial who resembled Saddam Hussain was trained and taught the Kurd language and his face was operated upon to make him look exactly like Saddam Hussain. He said he has 147 proofs in the form of documents and photographs. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->‘<b>Why is there no mass uprising against the government?’ </b>
Khaled Ahmed -FT
'Soft secession' is more dangerous than a mass uprising because the state is learning, through this process, to quietly let its territory be converted into 'ungoverned spaces' 
   
At times, when Pakistanis insist that the government in Islamabad is illegitimate and unpopular, the Americans ask, “Why isn’t there a mass uprising against the government?”

<b>This question is based on a historical fact: when people become sick of their government they usually stage a grass-roots revolt, forcing the state to retreat.</b>

Mass uprisings can presage revolutions. But if there is no organisation behind an uprising, then it is simply the action of a desperate people. When life becomes intolerable through starvation, for instance, they are forced to ‘rise up’.

A mass uprising presumes a despot in command or a foreign power in a colonial relationship with the people. It also presumes a movement of resistance with ability to organise the masses.

‘Mass uprising’ can be misleading. It conjures up the image of a universal chaos, which it may not be. An uprising at a key location within the state can trigger rebellion within the state machinery to force change.

Actually a mass uprising succeeds when at some point in its unfolding a part of the state caves in and refuses to obey central authority. The movement of resistance backing the uprising however must have a persuasive message.

The conviction of the state is weakened only when its institutions begin to absorb a message coming from the movement of resistance. When the state loses internal cohesion, the government is toppled even when its apparatus may largely remain intact, as happened in the case of Iran.

<b>Today, the state has more capacity to withstand mass uprisings than it had in the past. One reason is the large population which cannot be mobilised under one resistance movement.</b>

Uprisings can be sporadic and fragmented, especially when there is no central organisation to guide their course. This plays to the advantage of the state which can take care of them easily through cooptation or clever application of coercion. One uprising can actually be against the principles of another uprising in the same state.

Mass mobilisation becomes difficult under functioning capitalism and its unequal growth, regionally and class-wise. To rise up, the masses must be equally deprived of the minimum sustenance.

The modern state is also more flexible in the face of large protests. Instead of being challenged it decides to allow the protest to vent itself. Damage to state and private property is permitted.

If mass protests damage private property they become unpopular and the organising parties face the danger of losing public support. Because of a better system of state intelligence, the governments learn to ‘go with the blow’.

Mass uprisings are a ‘triggering mechanism’. It is presumed that the government is thoroughly unpopular and lacks internal conviction and an uprising will simply touch off the process of its internal disintegration. But this is too optimistic and ignores internal dissensions within movements.

Mass movements are easy to organise under foreign rule. To remove an internal ruler a different kind of organisation is needed. The parties who are best able to mobilise mass movements are usually ‘cadre parties’. But if the cadre parties want to stage a mass uprising they must gather under one banner first. After that they must develop a country-wide outreach. For the state to stumble, a universal uprising must be seen to exist. This implies the transformation of a cadre party to a populist one.

If the popular parties with a countrywide appeal are not cadre parties, there can be no mass uprising. They must unite with the cadre parties to create a mass uprising, but in so doing they run the risk of losing the state to fascism.

The mass uprising of East Pakistan in 1971 was against what the masses thought was ‘foreign rule’. Mass suffering after a cyclone speeded up the ‘rebellion’ within the state institutions.

In 1977 Bhutto responded to a much smaller challenge than the ‘million marches’ under Musharraf. The army under Bhutto decided to betray him. Before him, a police revolt of an even smaller scale compelled an internal revolt against General Yahya.

Mass uprising cannot succeed these days because the state does not respond. If it responds and kills the protesters, then the chances of the uprising gathering momentum are brighter.

General Yahya had done the same sort of thing to General Ayub after protests began. In Pakistan mass uprisings don’t usher in democracy, only a harder governance under the mistaken belief that that is what the people want.

The cadre parties decided to stage ‘million marches’ against Musharraf and hoped to make up for their lack of outreach by co-opting the mainstream parties. It did not work. The state proved resilient.

The biggest example of the new resilience was in 2006 when Lahore was sacked by a highly organised uprising outwardly aimed against the Danish cartoons. The government sat back and watched till the masses hated their own uprising.

<b>The 2006 ‘cartoon’ uprising was much bigger and inflicted more property damage than the uprising in Lahore that brought Bhutto down in 1977 after the army refused to shoot the protesters.</b>

Finally, mass uprising proves lethal against an isolated regime. A crucial factor in the governance of Pakistan is external support, mostly from the United States. A ruler becomes desperate only after he has isolated himself from his external props.

<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>But uprisings can come in the future as a consequence of the army supporting the Taliban and losing Pakistani territory to Talibanisation. There is a process of ‘soft secession’ in many parts of Pakistan that can play the same ‘revolutionary’ role of bringing the state down.</span>

‘Soft secession’ is more dangerous than a mass uprising because the state is learning, through this process, to quietly let its territory be converted into ‘ungoverned spaces’.

<b>This is the slow death of the state. This is also the state’s final answer to the danger of mass uprising</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Guest]

<b>On guard </b>
What the firebombing of the Samjhauta Express really means.

[Guest]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070223/2/12is4.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Friday February 23, 05:37 PM
<b>Pakistan test fires long-range missile</b>
Pakistan has test-fired a nuclear-capable, surface-to-surface ballistic missile with a range of 2,000 km, a military official says.
The test of the Hatf VI (Shaheen II) missile was successful, he said.
"It can carry all types of warheads including nuclear," the official said.
The Hatf VI is a two-stage solid fuel missile which can carry nuclear and conventional warheads with high accuracy.
An advanced version has a potential range of 2,500 km.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I hear the Paki T-ban are planning to steal the Hot-F VI and then use it to blow up Musharraf's living quarters before they proceed to threaten the king of Jordan with it for allowing queen Rania (sp?) to go without veil. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> ... Well, it's possible. Anything is possible when one has the Islamic Mind, as seen in <b>Post 28 (Mudy)</b>:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Nuggets from the Urdu press</b>
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<b>Saddam Hussain is alive</b>  <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
According to daily Nawa-i-Waqt, an Egyptian scholar Anees Aldaghidi claimed in his book, Lies of America that Saddam Hussain was not jailed nor he was executed and that both his sons are alive. In an interview with an Arab channel he said that a Ramazan Michial who resembled Saddam Hussain was trained and taught the Kurd language and his face was operated upon to make him look exactly like Saddam Hussain. He said he has 147 proofs in the form of documents and photographs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's hilarious. I'd only heard of the 'Elvis is still alive!' before. Now Saddam has joined the exclusive group.
World recognition for the Egyptian scholar who proposed this please. Maybe WienerSchnitzel will hire him to join the Indology dept or IER group next. He's just their man.

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->That's hilarious. I'd only heard of the 'Elvis is still alive!' before. Now Saddam has joined the exclusive group<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't under estimate Pakies. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Now this call for fixing bad roads in Pakistan. World Bank and Uncle are you watching, Pakies need money to pave new roads.
<b>Blast in Pak kills 3 as bombers’ bike hits bump</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->At least two of the dead men were students at a nearby madrassa, suspected of having links to Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, a banned Sunni Muslim sectarian group, according to Ahmed.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Guest]

Link<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A couple of years ago, a Karachi monthly magazine ran a cover story on the terrorism in Kashmir. One fighter was asked what he would do if a political resolution was found for the disputed valley. Revealingly, he replied that he would not lay down his gun, but turn it on the Pakistani leadership, with the aim of installing an Islamic government there.

This is the crux of the entire problem. The violence we are experiencing today is entirely local, entirely home-grown. The young killers hitting targets across the country are neither fighting for a homeland, and nor are they seeking to evict a foreign occupier. They want nothing less than to seize power, and to turn Pakistan into their version of the ideal Islamic state. In their incoherent, ill-formed vision, this would include restoring the caliphate, as well as doing away with all western influence and elements of modernity, except, perhaps, the Kalashnikov and the Internet.

How, you may ask, has it come to this? The answer does not lie far from anybody living in Pakistan. Today, well over 20,000 madressahs are imparting religious instruction (and precious little else) to millions of children across Pakistan. And while most of them do not actively encourage violent revolution, they do effectively brainwash their students into rejecting reason and independent thinking.
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Post 33 (Mudy):
That Dawn paper sure seems to want to try to create the illusion that terrorism is separate from islam. Wherever there is islam, there are madrassas to teach about j-had (=islamoterrorism) which will create the next generation of islamoterrorists. So they can whine all they like about the symptoms of the problems in Pakistan (the madrassas), but the root problem is islam itself.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Today, well over 20,000 madressahs are imparting religious instruction (and precious little else) to millions of children across Pakistan. And while most of them do not actively encourage violent revolution, they do effectively brainwash their students into rejecting reason and independent thinking.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Again, that's 'cause islam teaches people to reject reason and independent thinking. If the Pakistanis working for Dawn want people to use their reason and think for themselves, they should quit writing this type of weak argument, and instead point to the actual cause: islam. But doing so would obviously entail repercussions of the fatal kind for them.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A couple of years ago, a Karachi monthly magazine ran a cover story on the terrorism in Kashmir. One fighter was asked what he would do if a political resolution was found for the disputed valley. Revealingly, he replied that he would not lay down his gun, but turn it on the Pakistani leadership, with the aim of installing an Islamic government there.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Related to this statement:
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/23817.html
<b>(Kashmiri) Separatists worried at impact ahead of talks with Kasuri</b>

[Naresh]

<b>1. Desert festival disappointment puts tourism ministry to shame</b> <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><i>Now who is giving Pakistan a bad name?</i>

KARACHI: If merit was one of the considerations for holding a cabinet position, Ms Nilofer Bakhtiar, our honourable minister of tourism, should be out of a job. Despite the hype created over Visit Pakistan Year 2007, its first major event - the Thar Desert Festival, has turned out to be a disaster.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<b>2. Rice exports fall by 5pc</b> <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->KARACHI: A decline of 4.99 per cent has been recorded in the export of rice during January 2007 compared to December 2006.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

Husky,
Dawn columnist are free entertainment. Enjoy it. You may find most funny logic in this news paper.

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->1. Desert festival disappointment puts tourism ministry to shame  <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ofcourse, who is going to enjoy dance by Abduls, Ahmed with goats. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Naresh]

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<b>Mudy Ji</b>

From : Asia Times Forum :

<b>Link - Please Delete if Inappropriate :</b>

<b>Ode to Khushboo (Sesha'a Corrected version)</b>

Oh my darling
Oh my lovely
Oh my adorable Khushboo
Everytime I think of your sweet embrace
I go baaaa baaaaa baaaah!

Then my sweet dream turns into a nightmare
When the local Mullah beats me up
And steals my beloved Khusboo from me

By the sacred beard of the Prophet
I want my goat's back! Inshallah!

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

From Naresh link
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Desegregation of the sexes and promiscuity</b>
Ishtiaq Ahmed

Q U O T E

Fatima Mernissi has demonstrated in her studies of Arab societies in general and Morocco in particular that sodomy and bestiality are widespread, especially in the rural communities because of the segregation of men and women. My younger brother, who worked for years in the Pakistan Agricultural Supplies and Services Corporation (PASSCO), told me that in southern Punjab, much of NWFP, Sindh and Balochistan sodomy and bestiality are common among rural youths. In fact, he caught two boys trying to rape a goat in the vicinity of the mazar of Hazrat Sultan Bahu. The punishment meted out to them was 10 blows with a chhittar (shoe) each on their butts. They protested however that<span style='color:red'> in many rural areas having sex with an animal was considered a rite of passage on the way to becoming full members of the male society!</span>

U N Q U O T E


Thus homosexual paedophilia along with the Practice of Sodomy and Bestiality are most certainly common, prevalent & widespread in Arab Societies in General and Morocco in particular – I would opine that it is a common practice in these Societies from Morocco to Malaysia - with an emphasis on Pakistan especially in southern Punjab, much of NWFP, Sindh and Balochistan where sodomy and bestiality are common.

In respect to “Child Abuse” of which “Homosexual Paedophilia” is an integral part there was an Article in the “Esteemed” Pakistani Press to the effect that 25% of Pakistani Children are sexually abused.

It will take time to locate the Article but I assure you that I will post it in due course.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>ONE IN FOUR PAKISTANI CHILDREN SEXUALLY ABUSED : STUDY</b>
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Shahid Husain
KARACHI : The one thing Pakistan has in common with the West is an appalling child sex abuse, Dr Zeenat Essani, director of the National Institute of Child Health said at a seminar marking Universal Children’s Day on Monday.

“We should accept that we have a big problem,” he told the seminar at Aga Khan University Hospital. The long-term effects of child abuse include fear, anxiety, depression, inappropriate sexual behaviour, poor self-esteem, and difficulty with close relationships, she said.

Among victims of sexual abuse, the inability to trust others is pronounced, contributing to secrecy and non-disclosure, she said. Victims often failed to report the crime due to fear, she added.

Dr Ghaffar Billo, head of paediatrics at Aga Khan said people failed to realise how rampant child abuse was in Pakistan.

He said the erroneous belief that unless children were beaten, they don’t learn, was widespread in religious circles.

Dr Aisha Mehnaz, associate professor at Karachi’s Dow Medical College and president of the Pakistan Paediatrics Association said the exact magnitude of child sexual abuse was unknown, but unofficial estimates put incidences of abuse in Pakistan at 15-25 per cent of the population, an estimate based on newspaper reports, police records, reports of NGOs and healthcare providers, she said.

<b>She said the extent of child sexual abuse, according to newspaper reports between 1997-99 was: CSA/murder 297, including 111 girls and 186 boys; gang rape 680 including 449 girls and 231 boys; rape 528, including 528 girls; sodomy 272; molestation 279 including 185 girls and 94 boys; abduction for sex 253, including 222 girls and 31 boys. Totally, 2304 incidence of CSA occurred during this period. There were 1495 girl victims and 314 boys’ victims, she said.</b>

She said according to data compiled by chief chemical examiners, the age group of victims varied between 12-18 years during January-June 1999. But the age group of victims between 1997-99 was 5-18 years.

<b>She said the abusers fell into various categories: acquaintances 74.1 percent (3,009 cases); relatives 2.1 percent (87); incest 1.7 percent (70); teacher 1.1 percent (46); religious teacher 1.4 percent (57); police 2.2 percent (90); and strangers 17.2 percent (6,990. There were 4,058 cases of CSA during this period, she said.</b>
She said a multidisciplinary approach was needed to combat this crime and bolster public awareness of the crime. She said the media should address the menace. Parents and teachers should be educated on the issue.
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