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Indian Movies Thread IV
Lot of heartburn for upstaging the Family Number 1 during crucial election
Wedding guest, not the best
Pankaj Vohra

The tamasha surrounding the marriage of Abhishek with Aishwarya Rai over the weekend appears to lend credence to the speculation that the Bachchans are dying to become the first family of India. The hype about the “most public private wedding” became overkill and showed the bankruptcy of the media as well as the control that marketing gurus have apparently managed to have over every single dimension of the media. The show put out for fans underlined the fact that Bachchans behaved as if they were shooting yet another film. The sanctity one would have normally attached with the actual wedding ceremony was put in the background.

It is a known fact that the Bachchans, who always lived in the shadow of the Nehru-Gandhis, are keen to break away and establish themselves as the new icons of India. There is nothing wrong in aspiring to be Family No. 1, except that the road to the top has to be through the service of the nation and not by lending one’s name to each and every brand that comes in the way. Amitabh’s name has figured prominently in the speculation over who could be the country’s next President, something that has been firmly denied by him and his close associates. Perhaps, he realises that to get anywhere near the august office, he will have to get support from many major parties other than the Samajwadi Party.
Bachchan has come a long way since he carried two letters written by Indira Gandhi, on persistent requests from family friend Teji Bachchan, to Nargis Dutt and Khawaja Ahmed Abbas urging them to give him a break in films. Abbas cast him in Saat Hindustani and Nargis asked her husband Sunil Dutt to help him out. Recalling his first meeting, Dutt told me some years ago that when Amitabh met him, he asked what his greatest asset was. “My voice,” the young man had answered, at which point Dutt told him that he would cast him in the role of a ‘goonga’ in his film, Reshma Aur Shera. Bachchan was, however, first noticed in Anand and subsequently starred in many films which turned out to be flops. Blitz columnist Krishna used to repeatedly refer to Amitabh as the “Sarkari-made hero”. But with Prakash Mehra’s Zanjeer, there was no looking back for the ‘Angry Young Man’.

But there is another sphere in which Bachchan does not exactly shine: politics. Old timers in the Congress recall that before her death, <b>Indira Gandhi had advised Rajiv that he should never allow “Teji’s son to enter politics”. </b> Indira Gandhi’s advice was probably based on her experience. But Rajiv, who grew up playing with Amitabh, gave him the Congress nomination from Allahabad against H.N. Bahuguna after his mother’s assassination.

Amitabh won the seat convincingly and soon became a power centre within the Congress. But he appeared to have rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. V.P. Singh, for instance, constantly complained against him to Rajiv. Matters came to a head and a reluctant Bachchan resigned after a long meeting with Rajiv. Subsequently, his name (and that of his brother) was also dragged in the Bofors controversy. But nothing could be proved against him or Rajiv. Amitabh swore he would never be in politics again.

But the promise appears to have been shortlived now that he has got drawn into the glamour of politics once again through his close association with Mulayam Singh Yadav, an opponent of the Gandhi family. At one stage, wife Jaya made uncharitable remarks against Sonia Gandhi that a worried Amitabh tried to play down. After legendary poet Harivansh Rai Bachchan died, Rahul Gandhi represented his family at the funeral. But now the break seems to be complete with the Gandhis excluded from the wedding guest list.

Big B has become the Bad B for the Congress, campaigning as he is on TV for his friend Mulayam. Jaya is already an MP on the Samajwadi ticket. It is a matter of time till even Amitabh could be on the political centre stage in some form or the other. It is evident that he may come on the Congress radar very soon and the political rivalry may commence from where political friendship ended many years ago.

Coming back to the Abhishek-Aishwarya wedding, not one known literary figure was invited to the marriage of Harivansh Rai Bachchan’s grandson. The disaffection was pronounced as the Bachchans owe their identity to the Hindi language and the recognition the literary world accorded to the family. It is being pointed out that the wedding had a guest list that, among others, included fixers and the like, while it ignored members of the literary circle. There is also criticism that the Bachchans, synonymous with class at one stage, have allowed their thirst for undue publicity to get the better of them.<b> “The wedding should have been a sombre affair. Look at the dignified way with which Mukesh Ambani celebrated his birthday,” a once close friend remarked.</b>

The show must go on and even an offering to Tirupati was made a public event. But despite the media, the Bachchans will have to do a lot more if they want to become the first family of India.
Pankaj Vohra should invite "Sayapas ladies" from Punjab for any wedding occasion in his home. Why he is so jealous? He is crying because Queen was not invited. But he forget one main thing, Queen stayed in Bachans Gulmohar house for 4-5 months and never visited Harivansh Rai Bachans in hospital.
Anyway, it’s their personal matter, who they invite or not.
Next time Pankaj Vohra should invite Queen with "Sayapas ladies".

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Vohra started his career as a journalist with the <i>National Herald </i>where he worked as a cub reporter for a few months before moving to the <i>Patriot</i> for about two years. A four-year stint in The <i>Times of India </i>was followed by a shift to <i>The Hindu</i>, where he was soon made a Special Correspondent and reported regularly on Punjab during the peak of militancy and covered the Congress, the BJP and the Rajya Sabha.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mudy a lot of politically motivate heart-burn in play here.
AB speaks out
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Starting on a conciliatory note he said, "I have, with folded hands, apologized on behalf of my security to the media."

However, almost immediately he went on the offensive saying, "Still they threw stones at my house; they abused me through slogans outside my house throughout the night. They made the bridal couple captive in their car when they went to seek my mother's blessings in the hospital. They mobbed the car in which Aishwarya came to her new home for the Grihapravesh, and almost made her miss the muhurt.

"I have done whatever best we could do in these circumstances with utmost dignity. If that is still an issue with the media, I am sorry I cannot do more. I read today that despite all this, they wish to boycott me and my family."

He was at his best when he added, "What can I say? It's a free country and everyone has the freedom of his or her rights. I shall respect their decision. Me and my family are not worth it in any case."

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Probe into VIP treatment to Bachchan family at Tirupati
<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Apr 26 2007, 10:56 PM-->QUOTE(Viren @ Apr 26 2007, 10:56 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->India May Arrest Richard Gere Over Kiss
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A court issued arrest warrants for Hollywood actor Richard Gere and Bollywood star Shilpa Shetty on Thursday, saying their kiss at a public function "transgressed all limits of vulgarity," media reports said.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]67889[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->http://au.news.yahoo.com/070416/2/134ls.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gere's kisses on Shetty's cheeks at an event to promote AIDS awareness in New Delhi sparked protests in some parts of India, <b>mostly by Hindu vigilante groups</b>, who saw it as an outrage against her modesty and an affront to Indian culture.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Curious there's no mention of the not small-in-number Indian islamis doing the same... Maybe they remain unnamed in these news reports because they are a 'minority' and should not be offended at any cost? Or perhaps the incidents relating to the Danish cartoons are still fresh in the international media's mind and they don't want to stir that cauldron again.
'Hindu vigilante groups' indeed. A bunch of people (including islamis) in a country of 1 billion protest and the media is all ready to make it seem like Hinduism is to blame again. How about mentioning the christo-colonial British with their victorian values who banned all public displays of affection and even Bharatanatyam dancing, so that most people are still stunted even after the Brits packed their bags and left?
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He is YSR relative and appointed by Queen Sonia led Congress and Queen Sonia, who hates Bachans.
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Indian media is just pathetic.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->'Hindu vigilante groups' indeed. A bunch of people (including islamis) in a country of 1 billion protest and the media is all ready to make it seem like Hinduism is to blame again.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have you seen billboard for abortion or Nasbandi in USA? Ofcourse not, infact yesterday they found live bomb outside abortion clinic <b>Bomb found outside Texas abortion clinic </b>

Every weekend I see protest group outside abortion clinic near my house, nobody reports this in international media anywhere.
Indian media should start showing pictures from otherside.
In India they take matter to court, here they just kill people.
from 221: This guy is a disgusting chamcha. he does not even hide it.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Old timers in the Congress recall that before her death, Indira Gandhi had advised Rajiv that he should never <span style='color:red'>allow</span> “Teji’s son to enter politics”. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

allow???

Did someone have to seek permission of Rajiv or his mother, wife, son or daughter to enter politics?
Now Shilpa<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Shilpa Shetty has sought divine blessing from all the problems dogging her and family, and her future marriage prospects.

The actress, whose infamous kiss with Hollywood actor Richard Gere created a furore, went to her native village Mudalaadi, a small hamlet in Karnataka, to partake in an ancient ritual, Kola, done by devotees of Annappa Panjurli, believed to be a messenger of God.

<b>Shilpa says she is deeply religious and would like to follow the rituals as per the scriptures. "It is our culture and a family tradition,"</b> she adds.        . 

She was accompanied by sister Shamita Shetty and mother Sunanda Shetty.

<b>The deity, who brought the lingam to the Dharmasthala Manjunatha temple -- one of the most revered and biggest temples in Karnataka -- is believed to answer most of the prayers of the devotees. </b>

<b>Dressed in a yellow churidar, the actress sat silently through the ritual through the night while her mother asked about her daughter's marriage prospects.</b>

She was assured that Shilpa would not have any problems in that respect and that marriage would take place within one year. She was also assured that the current situation with Gere would be sorted out.

During her three-day stay at the village, which created a flutter in the sleepy village, the actress took part in the poojas and also caught up with her relatives, conversing with them in native Tulu
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Just watched the departed and last king of scotland. Both are good movies and worht watching though the departed is much watchable.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Apr 27 2007, 09:50 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Apr 27 2007, 09:50 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->'Hindu vigilante groups' indeed. A bunch of people (including islamis) in a country of 1 billion protest and the media is all ready to make it seem like Hinduism is to blame again.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have you seen billboard for abortion or Nasbandi in USA? Ofcourse not, infact yesterday they found live bomb outside abortion clinic <b>Bomb found outside Texas abortion clinic </b>

Every weekend I see protest group outside abortion clinic near my house, nobody reports this in international media anywhere.
Indian media should start showing pictures from otherside.
In India they take matter to court, here they just kill people.
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Wonder if the international media even considered what would have happened if Gere had tried tried the same on an islamic woman in a dar-ul-islami country? Forget Buddhist Gere - he'd be on their hitlist just for being a kafir. Imagine it were some christian actor instead. I think he'd be dead in no time, even before the mobs could take to the streets, before any islami govt could begin to try and stop the incident from blowing up. Someone better thank their lucky stars that they committed the blunder in India and not neighbouring Jihadistan.

Now all Gere gets is to hear news of a few Hindus protesting and burning effigees of him and someone slapped a lawsuit so the court says it 'may' want his arrest. Highly unlikely it will ever happen, but this whole event will serve as a warning so visitors think before trying something like this again in a foreign country. There are different customs in different countries and some things that just aren't done in certain settings. If you're in someone else's house, you don't try to offend your host. Same thing.
First posted by Rye in BR

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Commies  pretending that they know what other people should believe in

Dear The Indian "intellectual" Commies,

   Yes, Indians still believe in their Gods and will visit temples to get their sons and daughters married off --- if you do not like it, stay away from such "ritualistic practices" and continue to masturbate into your little red book.

Hope you all get run over by a truck or otherwise meet a nasty end.

Sincerely,
Mango Man
(Aam Aadmi)

Below are some comments from the "intellectual" mental midgets that blight India's landscape. These arrogant turds are too stupid to even understand why Indians follow their traditions, which Indians will continue to do even if the communist party "intellectuals" disapprove.

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Mrinal Sen, filmmaker
"The ritualism of so many temple visits and marrying trees is ridiculous. It's shocking that a person of Amitabh Bachchan's stature should be indulging in this."


Jehangir Sabavala, Artist
"It's not only the media's fault.... The Bachchans turned a private celebration into a production, and a rather tacky one."  (<i>Err...Amitabh Bachchan firmly kept the media out and was rather displeased by the commie-infested media hounding him</i>)

Paritosh Sen, Artist
"Amitabh Bachchan has set a dangerous example by displaying superstitious beliefs. Because of who he is, the public watch and believe that much more."

(<i>Better that the public be inspired by someone worthy like Bachchan than you worthless, brainless jholawallahs</i>)

Sunil Gangopadhyay, Writer
"The family gives huge donations routinely to temples. Any sane person would donate money to charities instead."

(<i>So that it can buy some more air line tickets for all the NGO thieves that scam the Indian public in the name of charity?</i>)

Arvind Krishna Mehrotra, Poet
"When they fall ill, why don't they just go to an ojha? Why do they go to a doctor?"

(<i>They probably do both --- do you have a problem with that because....?</i>)
Rajendra Yadav, Writer

"They are busy collecting certificates from the various gods and goddesses. It shows a deep insecurity within."

(<i>Unless the deep sense of security Marx and LEnin have inspired in you boneheads -- who needs to worship God when you can worship lesser mortals like Marx and Lenin?</i>)

Prabhash Joshi, Veteran journalist
"He has never been a symbol of a progressive India. He has left acting far behind to become an ambassador of the market."

(<i>Unlike Prabhash Joshi, the symbol of hope for  the poor and downtrodden?  Perhaps if AB had taken part in some labour union rally, he would have become a symbol of progressive India? </i>)
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So the Commies are really worried about the phenomenon I was hinting at in my posts on this subject.
What AB did was to show the world that its cool to be a traditonal Hindu in modern India. The Commies and secular crowd cant stand that for it undermines their project to portray Hinduism as an anachronism.

Expect more backlash.
Recently watched "1971" starring Manoj Bajpai. Great movie if you like Indo-Pak themes. Read Review: 1971

At the end of the movie there's a listing of 50 some Indian Army officers/Jawans who were captured in '71, last seen/heard around '88, but till date not returned by the ingrates. Pictures of these security personnel, copies of the smuggled letters to family etc was extremely moving. I'm really glad that Hindi film industry took time and effort to create this movie and list the POWs <!--emo&:rock--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rock.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='rock.gif' /><!--endemo--> and to support them, I'll buy a personal copy of the DVD.

Would be great if an online shrine/homage to these brave sons of India is erected by those with access to military matters. Ramana, <nudge> <nudge>.
Note also the source for this piece from Yahoo news: Christian Science Monitor

Smug article.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070517/wl_csm/obolly
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Hollywood finds formula to beat Bollywood in India</b>
By Mark Sappenfield, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
Thu May 17, 4:00 AM ET


In the crowded and bug-infested movie halls of rural India, something is happening that has never happened before: An American superhero is saving the world while speaking flawless Bhojpuri.

In the grand scheme of the "Spider-Man 3" massive global release, it may seem a small thing that poor villagers in central India were able to queue up the same day as audiences in Los Angeles to see the film, dubbed into a local dialect. But to Hollywood and its Indian alter ego, Bollywood, it could signal the start of a new turf war between the world's two most popular and influential film industries.
(WASPy man's burden.)

Worldwide, the film took in $230 million in its first weekend – breaking "The DaVinci Code" record by $75 million. In India, the $4.5 million opening set several records domestically as well:

• The best opening weekend for a foreign-language film, topping "Casino Royale" by 28 percent.

• The largest single day for any foreign-language film: $1.6 million on May 4.

• The fastest to cross the $2.4 million mark (100 million rupees): in two days.

• It is on a pace to move past "Titanic," which made $13 million here, as the highest-grossing foreign film ever in India.

<b>The success suggests that after years of tinkering,</b> Hollywood has at last discovered a formula for more consistent success here: flooding Indian cinemas with nearly 600 copies and dubbing versions into Hindi, Tamil, Telugu, and Bhojpuri. The tactic of simultaneously releasing several dubbed versions on the global release date is not unique to India, but it is new here­ and is yielding results.

For generations, Hollywood films here have been overshadowed by India's own kitschy brand of cinema, based in Bombay (hence Bollywood). But "Spider-Man" opens the market for greater Hollywood profits in India and marks a fresh challenge to Bollywood's virtual monopoly of the movie-obsessed nation's cinema. "Obviously, the success of the dubbed versions is a very big threat," says Anil Nagrath, secretary of the Indian Motion Picture Production Association in Mumbai (formerly called Bombay). "This is the first of more to come."
(Note language: Indian film is 'kitschy'. Hollywood films are a 'fresh' challenge, Indians are movie-obsessed - forgetting to indicate most are specifically Indian-movie obsessed. The whole para makes it seem like Indians have been lying around waiting for boring US mainstream films to save us.)

Bollywood has much to lose. It is fond of calling itself the world's largest film industry – and by many measures it is. In total, Indian filmmakers generally release more than 1,000 feature-length films a year, roughly double Hollywood's output. More people around the world buy tickets to Bollywood films than to Hollywood films, according to a 2004 study by the British Film Institute.

Yet its strength is clearly within India, where its quirky mix of absurdist plots, melodramatic love, and spontaneous dance numbers dominate the box office.
(More allegations. Indians are creatively 'absurd' and 'melodramatic'. Then Christian Science Monitor tries to get its readership to think dancing is too, because in their view it is of the devil even if they can't write <i>that</i> in public.
In reality, many American movies are hyper absurd and melodramatic. For instance, anyone even watched the tripe of the Titanic? Don't. In it, a woman wanting to commit suicide privately, nevertheless runs through the length of the ship in a most dramatic fashion weeping audibly in order to throw herself off the far end. That's very plausible Confusedarcasm That's just one film, and just one instance from Titanic which is filled with melodrama and cheesiness.)

<b>As recently as 2005, foreign films accounted for only about 5 percent of about $1 billion in theater tickets sold annually here.
But Hollywood profits in India are growing at 35 percent a year, and the US film industry is becoming more aggressive.</b>

Nadeem Khan says he hasn't been to a single Bollywood movie this year. Instead, he is here at the Saket Cineplex in south Delhi to see "Spider-Man" – one of the last people to get a ticket before it sold out.

"I like it because of the performances and the story and the action," he says, looking the part of Bollywood extra in his faded jeans and gelled hair.

It is here in the new multiplexes of urban India that Hollywood first began making inroads. More theaters created more space, and a growing, globally aware middle class thirsted for something more sophisticated.
('Indian cinema is not sophisticated'. WASPy Christian 'Science' Monitor thinks only their films are sophisticated and have what Indians are 'thirsting for'.
Most in Asia or Europe don't take Hollywood's boxoffice movies seriously nor would they say these were sophisticated.)

Yet only a few years ago, Hollywood films warranted only about 100 prints, and if there were dubbed versions, they were often released after the English-language version finished its run.

The tactic made most Indian moviegoers feel like second-class citizens and undermined what experts say is Hollywood's greatest advantage: marketing. The turning point, experts say, was last year, when some 400 prints of the James Bond film "Casino Royale" were released in India – including three versions in Hindi, Tamil, and Telugu – simultaneously with the global debut. It established an opening-weekend record haul for a foreign film.
(Of course. A film about a British guy made all the difference...)

By releasing the films widely, dubbed, and on the worldwide release date, Hollywood brought the global buzz to India – not to mention product tie-ins with fast-food chains and mobile-phone ring tones, for example. "These are avenues where Bollywood is very sluggish," says Derek Bose, author of "Brand Bollywood."

Bollywood also lacks the financial wherewithal to compete with Hollywood marketing. Movie tickets in many part of India cost $1, meaning Bollywood's global revenues are about 2 percent of Hollywood's, says Mr. Bose.

"Hollywood can spend 8 percent of its normal marketing budget for a film and get the same amount of exposure as a top Hindi film," says Sanjay Ram of BusinessofCinema.com in Mumbai.

The most lavish Bollywood films rarely cost more than $10 million. "Spider-Man 3" is thought to have cost $260 million.
(I've seen 80s European films for under a $million US that put Spiderman x 3, Titanic, Troy and other garbage to shame. And Kandukondain is infinitely better than all box office hits released in the last 7 years. So that's 270 million dollars wasted on one film alone - all the reviewers are killing Spiderman 3 with snide remarks, even when they'd raved about the first two instalments. This is all the 'sophistication' mainstream US cinema can bring? Like their fast food, mass-produced music/idols, and other empty & bland 'cultural' exports, their mainstream movies are drained of any reality, meaning or originality. They're generally unsatisfying, often unhealthy and usually dumb people down.)

Now, the release of several massive Hollywood franchises this summer – "Pirates of the Caribbean," "Shrek," and "Harry Potter" – are expected to sweep away any Hindi-language competition. In what is shaping up to be an off year for Bollywood, "Spider-Man 3" has already been blamed for taking the momentum from one of the few major Hindi releases this year, "Ta Ra Rum Pum" ("Don't Worry, Be Happy").

But experts say that the new multiplexes have created space for everyone. No one expects Hollywood to trump Bollywood in India. But this summer presages a future of more choices for Indian moviegoers, and that sounds just right to Sabayasachi Banerjee, who is at the Saket multiplex to see the world's favorite wall-crawling mutant. "We like Western movies because they are different," he says. "But we still like Bollywood movies, too."

Adds friend Reshu Kandani, "We are starting to have some variety, and that's good."

• Mr. Sappenfield is the New Delhi correspondent for the Monitor and USA Today.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I think India should do what Korea and France does. Keep American movie imports in the cinema coming in at a certain quantity for a given period.

There's a lot of boring old christian theology that gets rehashed in American movies too - recently 'The Exorcism of Emily Rose', 'Constantine' and what not. I can't see it appealing to any non-christos (even British non-Catholics had a problem with 'Exorcism'), but who knows what kind of subversion they have in mind.

Islami males might freak. And the underground film mafia of Indian cinema would also be very afraid of dwindling revenue for their garbage films, which means less money for funding terrorism. Those are the only useful side-effects I can think of.

If Indian cinema must compete with foreign products in its homeground, then why not show European, SE Asian and E Asian stuff? At least people'd get high-quality competition (and better plotlines, instead of bad American rehashes of superior Asian copstories like HK's Infernal Affairs, horrors like Japanese The Ring, and romances like The Lakehouse which is based on a Korean original). We get better action: instead of watching American movies choreographed by HK action-choreographers (Matrix, X-men), one can watch HK and other Asian actors perform their country's martial arts in its natural setting. It will be infinitely less fake-looking with them performing it and it will still be choreagraphed by the same HK professionals.
And instead of gushing over the Matrix which ripped off from a range of Japanese materials including a 1995 film (which already did the bullet-time), people can be exposed to the far better originals.

American - and Canadian - sci-fi series are very good though. It's where N America's strength for storytelling, filming and acting lies. They should beam more of that into India, but I realise these aren't movies but series.

And if it were merely about watching good-looking people from outside India, 90s and present-day hollywood should be skipped altogether, unless anyone here wants to argue that Jennifer Simpson or Mark Wahlberg look more than merely average...

The Taiwanese Shu Qi for instance is wonderfully lovely. And so are E European actors - who are extremely proficient in the acting department. And unlike poor Indian actresses in sickular cinema today (or American actresses in US cinema), the women aren't made to act like they have no functioning brain.
Found some images of a couple of EE actresses who I always thought were very beautiful (typically E European looking - won't see people like this in American movies). Their acting is even better than their appearance, by the way: 1 2

<b>ADDED:</b> Not related to this thread, but the following just occurred to me. The above two actors are Slavic. Slavic people of course weren't allowed into the Oryan clique until after WWII.
In WWII their countries were taken over for 'Lebensraum' (living room) for the Oryan people and their expansion. Prior to and during the Second World War, Slavic people were murdered for being 'Untermenschen' (subhumans) and there was widespread propaganda on how 'ugly' they were. The final plan was to kill them all for Oryan Lebensraum. Even during the recent Balkan Wars and its repercussions lingering today, those in Croatia brainwashed by Catholicism say the Serbians are non-Oryan Orthodox untermenschen for being Slavic.

Today, Irish, Welsh and Slavic people are all called Oryan, whereas they weren't too long ago. Maybe tomorrow, after Aishwarya Rai and Shilpa Shetty have become sufficiently famous, Bunts - whose language Tulu is the 5th 'Dravidian' tongue - will be classed as Indo-Oryans as well. And the IERacist club will explain how Tulu actually has all the hall-marks of Oryan speech.
No no, what am I saying? There was a post on IF about how someone came to the grand conclusion that Aish's looks can't be explained without some British ancestry in there somewhere. With such 'arguments', IER doesn't have to stretch itself to turn the long-endogamous S Indian Bunts into having a lot of 'Oryan' intermixture from the time of the Oryan Migration-Invasions in 1500bce - I mean 1200bce - no, I mean 1000bce - no, it's 800bce - no yesterday.
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+May 18 2007, 04:19 AM-->QUOTE(Husky @ May 18 2007, 04:19 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Note also the source for this piece from Yahoo news: Christian Science Monitor

Smug article.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070517/wl_csm/obolly
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Hollywood finds formula to beat Bollywood in India</b>
By Mark Sappenfield, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
Thu May 17, 4:00 AM ET


In the crowded and bug-infested movie halls of rural India, something is happening that has never happened before: An American superhero is saving the world while speaking flawless Bhojpuri.

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One way to prevent this flooding of indian movie theaters with these dubbed version of hollywood movies is to impose a extertainment tax for dubbed movies, like 6 to 10 times for foreign dubbed movie and maybe 2-3 times for indian dubbed movies. Movies shown in original form should have the same entertainment tax. The extra tax amount collected should be used for either financing local language movies or for establishing film/technical institute in that state. Unless this menace is tackled soon, indian film industry will meet the fate of other local film industries around the world.
Aamir Khan's land purchase in Pune under scanner<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Bollywood actor Aamir Khan is under the scanner for purchasing agricultural land in Pune district by allegedly claiming he is a farmer.
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What's up with these actors? Is there some fad to buy farm land these days?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Coming, near polls, to theatres in Gujarat: Modi-fied hero
ABHISHEK KAPOORPosted online: Friday, June 08, 2007 at 0000 hrs

Financed by his supporter, the film has too many similarities to ignore. Shakti Kapoor plays Leader of Oppn

GANDHINAGAR, JUNE 7: Ahead of the Assembly elections, Narendra Modi is set to “inspire” a feature film about a Chief Minister who is a development man with an indomitable will and the vision to take the state down the path of progress.


Financed by Surat-based builder Ranmal Ahir, who admits to being a Modi supporter, the film to be made both in Hindi and Gujarati has Akhilendra Misra (the ‘Mirchi Seth’ of Sarfarosh) in the lead role. It will be directed by Ajitsinh Jhala, a National Award winner.

The Leader of the Opposition, who is the villain of the story, will be played by Shakti Kapoor.

While there is the usual disclaimer that the film is based on “imaginary characters”, and the producers say they haven’t met the Chief Minister, there are similarities too close to Modi to neglect. The theme song is Aapnu-Gujarat-Aagvu-Gujarat, a slogan given by Modi after he became Chief Minister in 2001. In keeping with Modi’s post-Godhra makeover, the film’s hero only talks of development and “removing tears of the people”.

The film’s chief minister can be seen supervising the work at the Sardar Sarovar dam site, and it has shots of the Ahmedabad-Vadodara expressway and the Gujarat industry —- all “endorsements” of Modi’s development agenda.

Jhala says he has not zeroed in on a name for the film but it would be either ‘Jai Jai Garvi Gujarat (Hail Proud Gujarat)’ or ‘Gujarat no Nath (Gujarat’s Lord)’. This is the 17th film by the director, who won the national award in 1995 for his feature Manav-ni-Bhavai.

Ahir admits to being a friend of Purushottam Solanki, a minister in the Modi cabinet, and runs a local cable news network in partnership with BJP MLA Hirabhai Solanki.

However, Ahir insists that while the character might have resemblances with Modi, it’s not him. In the same breath, Ahir adds that Modi’s work is for all to see. Incidentally, Ahir is also organising a rally against known Modi baiters.

Akhilendra Misra, who plays Modi, has earlier acted in the Aamir Khan-starrers Sarfarosh and Lagaan. “I did not know Gujarati, but I was impressed by the script and agreed,” he says, just before he dons the trademark Modi rimless spectacles and half-sleeve kurta and walks to the set.

Jhala hopes the Gujarat Government will make the film tax-free.

Information Commissioner Bhagyesh Jha says the state Government is not aware of any such film.

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What's up with these actors? Is there some fad to buy farm land these days?
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I think the problem is India's land laws. If aamir khan wants to buy a farm land let him, he should not have to prove that his grandfather was a farmer to be allowed to get possession of fertile land. The law I think is only farmers can own farm land, which was used to take land away from zamindars during land reforms. why should that law be still valid?

What we need is zoning laws that prevent other uses of fertile lands. It is like that in the US. Zoning should be changed to use for other purposes, even to turn a residential area into a hotel or other commercial use.

I guess in India you can get anything done with money, so zoning could also be changed. But what prevents a farmer from using his land for a factory or something? I dont think there is any law against that. All these affidavits claiming to be farmers are getting ridiculous and prosecuting Amitabh is the heights of it. Did you know that Jayalalitha is a farmer in AP? she has some vineyard or something there!
The Khans are boycotting her and guess who the indian media supports!

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Mrs Bachchan is running out of heroes!

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(Post 231) Ramana,
I hope Mirnal Sen and other dorks will take up the challenge or shut the f**k up.
AB's interview
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ash is not married to a tree! The cure for a manglik is that she has to marry a tree. It's a challenge -- please show me the tree she married! Bring that person who married her to the tree. Where did it happen? Aishwarya Rai getting married to a tree: do you think the media wouldn't have known about it and gone to the place?
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Maybe they(DDM) mistook tall Abishek for a tree?


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