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07-13-2007, 09:38 PM

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What a nishana?

07-13-2007, 09:41 PM

http://www.dawn.com/2007/07/13/top2.htm
QUOTERoom after room had the same untold story written on the walls with deep bullet marks on all four walls of the rooms and on the roofs. It raised many questions about the official claims that there was stiff resistance from the compound. The dominant view was that more occupants may have been killed than rescued.
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There was no sign of any tunnels that the media was told were being cleared. Also, there was nothing to indicate the existence of the much publicized landmines and booby traps.

On the window sills were still in tact folded chapattis. Melted ceiling fans told the story of the intense and indiscriminate firing.

07-13-2007, 09:45 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story...92,00.html
Musharraf appeals for unity to beat extremists as many question official death toll
QUOTERemarkably, only a handful of bullets had pierced the white dome of the Red Mosque itself. But as soldiers tramped across the main hall in army boots - something normally forbidden in Islam - the military said the mosque had lost its sanctity. "This is not a mosque," said Gen Arshad. "This was used as a firing place by the militants ... they were on the minarets, they were in these rooms."

**acharya** · 07-14-2007, 01:25 AM

Gul is and remains the person responsible for maintaining the terrorist operations. He has had a lot of spats with mush. I was watching this series on pakistan on you tube by channel 4 I think, where this guy explicitly said that he would like america to loose in afghanistan. Imagine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srhnIgYb65M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wiys5OtGQbA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyxjv6iDVlM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6rn2ex0Wh8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sn-NPtKdGA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3I9X9Ty9rQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCtCKpDboHA

A video I obtained from the UK. It's a study of Pakistan's power struggle between the two dominant powers - Islamic religious leaders and the Military.

The intention of this video is to open up communication between faiths..to understanding what is happening on the ground so we can all get by.

The views expressed by the people in this program are not necessarily representative of others, including people of Pakistani origin.

Peace to all Christians, Hindu's, Sikhs and Muslims..and non believers (in no particular order). (more) (less)

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The narrator of this program pretends that he did not know that these extremists were running the show for the last 20 years.

There are millions of people like him who did not say a word when the terrorists were killing round the world.

Naresh · 07-14-2007, 01:44 PM

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What a nishana?
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Mudy Ji :

Execution - Clinical!

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Naresh · (This post was last modified: 07-14-2007, 02:59 PM by Naresh.)

[center]RAMIFICATIONS OF LAL MASJID SLAUGHTER <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' />[/center]

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07-14-2007, 09:14 PM

Number are rising

Suicide bomber kills 18 troops after Pakistan mosque slaughterQUOTEISLAMABAD (AFP) - A suicide bomber Saturday killed 18 troops after this week's deadly raid on a hardline mosque, as Pakistan's embattled military leader also faced pressure from pro-democracy protesters.

The attacker rammed an explosives-packed car into a military convoy in North Waziristan, a remote tribal region near the Afghan border, also wounding 28 soldiers, top military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad told AFP.

Naresh · 07-14-2007, 09:40 PM

Further improvements :

Miranshah suicide attack death toll rises to 24 <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' />

QUOTEMIRANSHAH : At least 24 Pakistani security men were killed and 29 others were injured Saturday when a suicide bomber rammed his explosives-packed car into their convoy in a remote tribal region near the Afghan border, the ISPR sources said.

The convoy was heading to Miranshah, the main town of the North Waziristan tribal district, when the bomber attacked it at around 11:30 am (0630 GMT), Director General ISPR Major General Waheed Arshad said.

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07-14-2007, 10:21 PM

QUOTEAnother Abdur Rashid Ghazi born 
Updated at 0940 PST
ISLAMABAD: Lal Masjid Naib Khateeb Abdur Rashid Ghaziâs wife gave birth to a boy on the same day and at the same time he died.

Sources close to Maulana Abdur Rashid Ghazi told that he had sent his wife being indisposed to her brotherâs house a few days before the Lal Masjid operation, where she had given birth to a boy on Tuesday July 10 at the same time, same day, when Abdur Rashid Ghazi died during security forces operation in Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa.

The mother of the newly born boy has also named him Abdur Rashid Ghazi. Sources told that Maulana Abdur Rashid Ghaziâs wife could not even see her husbandâs face before burial due her being in the maternity situation.
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07-14-2007, 10:30 PM

Here comes gup from Paki/ISI/Army

Abdul Rashid Ghaziâs last minutesQUOTEIt is learnt that the security forces also found a partially burnt passport of a neighbouring country during the combing operation of Jamia Hafsa and Lal Masjid. The passport has become the focus of attention for the intelligence agencies since the neighbouring country has a history of targeting jihadi organizations, the source added.

The source said the foreign passport was found from Ghaziâs belongings and has been sent to an intelligence agency for further investigation. The presence of the foreign passport in the residence of the late madrassa leader had left senior intelligence officials wondering if secret agents of the âenemy stateâ had penetrated into jihadi organisations.

The security forces found that some parts of Ghaziâs residence had been burnt, suggesting Ghazi and his guards tried to burn their belongings before heading towards the nullah. The security forces also found a large number of partially burnt local and foreign currency in some boxes. One of the boxes contained undamaged local money amounting to Rs 1.5 million.

The security personnel also spotted partially burnt foreign passports, which supports the information on presence of foreign militants in the mosque complex, said the source.
one side Pakis are claiming Indian had entered into jihadi orgainsation and on otherside Pakis says they have nothing to do with terrorism.

07-15-2007, 02:40 AM

QUOTELALMASJID Operation: The Aftermath -International Terrorism Monitor- Paper No.257
By B.Raman

The reactions to the raid of the Pakistani security forces into the Lal Masjid complex in Islamabad have been violent in the Pashtun belt in the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) and the Federally-Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) ---- as anticipated--- and angry, but non-violent in the rest of Pakistan.

2.Attacks continue to take place on military and police personnel in the tribal areas. Since the launch of the military operation, 32 members of the security forces and three Chinese have been killed by unidentified persons in the tribal areas. The three Chinese, who were killed in Peshawar, were reportedly staying in a guest room of the Peshawar slaughter house and were in the business of export of meat, hide and skin to China. A fourth Chinese, who was also staying with them, escaped with injuries. He is reported to have stated that he and his slain countrymen were getting threatening phone calls after the Army launched the raid and had reported the matter to the local police, but the police did not do anything to protect them.

3.Concerned over the attacks on security forces personnel, President Gen.Pervez Musharraf has advised them not to wear uniform, when they are not on duty or moving alone in the area. He has also rushed reinforcements to the tribal areas to bring the situation under control. The illegal FM radio stations operating from the mosques and madrasas in the tribal areas have been appealing to the people to rise in revolt against Musharraf. They have also been criticising the US, China and the Hamid Karzai Government in Afghanistan in very violent language. They have also been repeatedly broadcasting the taped message of Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's No.2 in Al Qaeda, calling for a jihad in protest against the Army raid into the Lal Masjid.

4. The protest demonstrations in the non-tribal areas after the Friday prayers on July 13,2007, were largely attended, but by and large non-violent. Angry slogans were shouted against Musharraf, President George Bush and Karzai, but not against the Chinese. The anger against the Chinese is confined to the Pashtun belt and the Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (POK) from where most of the students in the two madrasas attached to the Lal Masjid came.

5. There are varying estimates of the total number of Chinese living and working in Pakistan----varying between 3,500 and 5,000. They consist of three categories.In the first category are the Chinese engineers and technicians working in Chinese State-aided projects such as the Gwadar port construction and Saindak copper-gold extraction projects in Balochistan, the construction of a hydel power station in the FATA and the expansion of the reservoir capacity of the Mangla dam in Mirpur in POK. All these Chinese are well-protected by the Pakistani security forces, but despite this, some of the engineers working in Gwadar and FATA were killed in terrorist attacks, allegedly by the Uighurs, in recent years.

6. The second category consists of independent Chinese businessmen running small-scale business enterprises employing not more than half a dozen Chinese per enterprise like the one in Peshawar, which came under attack. The third category consists largely of single Chinese women in Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore and Karachi working in massage and beauty parlours, dental and native Chinese medicine clinics etc. These two categories do not enjoy any special protection. They are dependent on the local police of the area, where they are living and working, for their protection.

7. There was a campaign of slander against these single Chinese women by the clerics of the Lal Masjid and their Uighur students, which led to the kidnapping of some of them working in Islamabad by some of the Uighur students. While the clerics were describing them as prostitutes corrupting the morals of Muslims, the Uighur students were accusing them of being agents of the Chinese intelligence agencies sent to Pakistan to monitor the activities of the Uighurs in Pakistan before next year's Olympics in Beijing. The allegations against the single Chinese women voiced by the clerics of the Masjid and the Uighurs are not supported by the other Islamic fundamentalist parties.

8. There are wild rumours about what really happened inside the Masjid complex when the security forces entered it, how many people were inside, how many of them were women and how many were killed. The security forces managed to take over the madrasa for boys without casualties in a fairly neat operation because it was located some distance away from the Masjid complex. The operation to take over the madrasa for girls, which was located inside the masjid campus, was very untidy and bloody messy.

9.Journalists, who were taken inside the campus after the operation was over, have reported without exception that most of the fighting and exchange of firing seemed to have taken place in and around the madrasa for girls and not in the masjid itself. The Army has attributed this to the alleged fact that a group of foreign and Pakistani militants had kept the girl students as hostages in the madrasa and were using them as a shield in order to prevent the security forces from advancing. The Army has not so far been able to produce the bodies of many foreign militants to substantiate its claim.

10. According to independent and reliable police sources, there were not more than 15 non-Afghan foreigners inside. Of these, three were the armed Uzbeck bodyguards of Abdul Rashid Ghazi, the deputy chief of the masjid, who was killed along with his bodyguards. The remaining 12 were Uighur students---- boys and girls--- who had surrendered, but were allegedly killed by the Army.

11. The Army has tried to project that the number of girls killed during the raid was less than ten, but its claim has not been accepted by independent sources. According to one police source, the Masjid was looking after about 300 girls of the POK and Balakote in the NWFP, who were rendered orphans by the earthquake of October,2005. While many of the other girls, who had their parents living, managed to escape and reach their parents, these quake orphans had nowhere to go and stayed put in their madrasa. It is alleged that all of them were killed in the exchange of firing and the Army had their bodies secretly buried in mass graves before the journalists were taken to the masjid campus.

12. Two judges of the Pakistan Supreme Court have taken cognisance of the wild rumours circulating about the casualties and have been calling for details from the authorities.

13.Pakistan's ulema (religious clergy), who had maintained a distance from the clerics of the Lal Masjid, are now expressing their solidarity with them as a result of their indignation over the manner in which Maulana Abdul Aziz, the chief of the Masjid and the elder brother of Ghazi, was treated by the intelligence agencies. When the army surrounded the masjid complex and asked the women inmates to come out and surrender, he came out wearing a burqa along with other women. He was detected and arrested. The intelligence agencies later showed him on the Government-owned TV with and without burqa and ridiculed him as a coward.

14. The way he was sought to be humiliated has shocked the Ulema. Zawahiri's message too strongly condemns his humiliation. Some of the Ulema claim that Ghazi had decided to surrender in order to avoid a bloodshed, but when he saw on the TV the way his brother was ridiculed and humiliated by the intelligence agencies, he changed his mind and decided to stay in and fight till his death. . Some of the clerics are claiming that Ghazi sent his brother out in a burqa in order to make alternate arrangements for the quake orphans. They assert that he did not go out due to fear as projected by the agencies.

15. It is said by police sources that Musharraf himself was shocked and disturbed when he saw on the TV the way the intelligence agencies were humiliating the head of the masjid and rang up the TV studio and ordered them to stop it immediately. By then, the damage had been done.

16. The Police sources also say that Musharraf's original idea was to have the masjid campus surrounded and play a game of patience with the inmates without raiding it, but a strong phone call from the Chinese President Hu Jintao rattled him and he ordered the raid shortly thereafter, overruling the advice of his civilian advisers to be patient.

07-15-2007, 02:59 AM

Must Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3W_Ars-IW8...related&search=
Reason behind operation at Lal Masjid just to shut Ghazi

After this interview Mushy decided Lal Masjid action, in this Ghazi said, Mushy is playing for both side, how easy to hide in Islamabad and Mushy's double game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx0x99MlNn4...related&search=
Ali Ahmad Kurd Exposes Mulla-Military Alliance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdHhiR7Uh1U...related&search=
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Why Lal Masjid?

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-15-2007, 07:35 AM by Husky.)

QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 14 2007, 10:30 PM)Here comes gup from Paki/ISI/Army<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
[url=http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\07\14\story_14-7-2007_pg1_9]. The presence of the foreign passport in the residence of the late madrassa leader had left senior intelligence officials wondering if secret agents of the âenemy stateâ had penetrated into jihadi organisations.

The security forces found that some parts of Ghaziâs residence had been burnt, suggesting Ghazi and his guards tried to burn their belongings before heading towards the nullah. The security forces also found a large number of partially burnt local and foreign currency in some boxes. One of the boxes contained undamaged local money amounting to Rs 1.5 million.

The security personnel also spotted partially burnt foreign passports, which supports the information on presence of foreign militants in the mosque complex, said the source.one side Pakis are claiming Indian had entered into jihadi orgainsation and on otherside Pakis says they have nothing to do with terrorism.[right][snapback]71189[/snapback][/right]</div>(1) Many TSP jihadis have counterfeit Indian passports to terrorise India and hop back to TSP.
(2) Next to that, many Indian islamoterrorists have contact with madarssas in jihadi central (TSP) and cross the Indian border into the islamic pardees next door to do a huddle/drainstorm (planning jihaditerrorism).

TSP can whine all it likes, but either way, these are islamoterrorists (whether it's true that Indian passports were found or not is irrelevant). They're islam's own, so no need to hint at India. Indian islamoterrorists are anti-India anyway and most of them are trained by TSP (or their trainers were trained by TSP). If you create a brainless Frankenstein, chances are pretty even he might turn on you some day. Hence if TSP is bitten, no use in fingerpointin'.

**Hauma Hamiddha** · 07-15-2007, 08:27 AM

Execution - Clinical!

Yup this looks like execution plain and simple- a direct hit on the head. But there have improbable accounts issued by Mushy's boys that a one Kamandu killed 4 people including Mullah in a single burst of fire. I think in reality when the Mullah was trying to escape by the Nullah, he was pulled back in and shot in the head.

07-15-2007, 08:42 AM

QUOTEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3W_Ars-IW8...related&search=
Reason behind operation at Lal Masjid just to shut Ghazi 
If you watch this youtube clip, you will know why bullet went straight into his head.
It was plain revenge.

Naresh · 07-15-2007, 12:14 PM

[center]Twelve Pakistani forces killed in militant attack - Reuters - 39 minutes ago[/center]

QUOTEISLAMABAD (Reuters) - At least 12 Pakistani security forces were killed in a series of bomb blasts and an exchange of fire with Islamist militants on Sunday, the second major attack in the northwest in 24 hours, officials said.

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Naresh · 07-15-2007, 02:38 PM

[center]AND THEN THERE WERE SEVENTEEN <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' />[/center]

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Naresh · 07-15-2007, 07:29 PM

[center]NOW IT IS TWENTY FIVE <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /> [/center]

QUOTEISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Twenty-five people were killed in northwest Pakistan on Sunday in a surge of militant violence which officials said could be aimed at avenging the commando assault on a radical mosque in the capital last week.

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07-15-2007, 08:49 PM

If you count last one week numbers, it means atleast 1000 new breed of terrorist and 300+ trained state sponsered terrorist met their hories.
not a bad week in NaPak

Local Taliban scrap peace accord with government 
http://www.geo.tv/geonews/details.asp?id=8877Â¶m=1

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=9023
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QUOTELONDON: Pakistan has demanded of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato) to pay compensation for the killings of 65 innocent civilians in air strikes inside its territory.

The demand was made by a Pakistani delegation, which was attending a six-day parliamentary meeting held at the Nato headquarters at Brussels from July 8.
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Senator Baig also pointed out that unless causes of rise of Muslim militancy around the world were addressed, conflicts would not cease.

He explained that Palestine, invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and Kashmir dispute were the major factors that were contributing to the spread of Muslim militancy and the Nato countries needed to play their role in resolving these conflicts

07-15-2007, 09:06 PM

A new battle front opens in PakistanQUOTEThey [Pakistan Army] are here because they are a Pak-American army. They are here not to guard us but to protect British laws. We are the flagbearers of Islamic sharia - that's why they are here, to prevent us demanding Islamic law."
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All roads in the area, including the important artery of the Silk Road leading to China, have been blockaded by TNSM members. Fazalullah insisted he had nothing to do with this, saying it was a reaction by the masses against Islamabad's Lal Masjid operations.

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