The reason I posted the concern over Muslims claiming to be Rajputs was to get some help for our Hindu brother who is dealing with these barbarians all by himself. I can intervene but my knowledge about history may not be update, hence an appeal for help on this Forum.
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These idiots not only looted our wealth and occupied our land, now intend to strip us of our lineage also such audacity, not realising that they themselves are converts and quite a few borne out of the Hindu women captured during the partition who had no choice but to embrace Islam.
Sayvari
Another battle lost at Wikipedia for the Rajputs, thanks to the uncoordinated efforts of the participants and as usual scheming Muslims and Gora's.
Read all about it at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rajput
With the blessings of Wikipedia, Muslims have been given sanctity to acknowledge themselves as Muslim Rajputs for the reference of all.
Soon there will be a day when Hinduism would be referred to as subsect of Islam, while we continue to take potshots at the Muslims through our forums.
Sayvari
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Wikipedia is a joke. Pure garbage.
We need our own online Hindu Encyclopedia.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Nov 17 2005, 11:37 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Nov 17 2005, 11:37 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->KHANNA' s are Kahtries from greater Punjab(Pakistan Punjab, HP, Indian Punjab, Harayana). No specific link or history, so it may be named after place. "People from village Khanna"
Khanna is a town near Muree, Pakistan
There is a city "Khanna" in Punjab, but its history and origin is different.
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Visiting after a long gap of almost 5 months. Found only one answer to my original question in first post. Even that answer is not related to what I am looking for! The baove answer is related to a township known as "KHANNA: in Punjab; whereas I am looking for ancestral & historic background of KHANNAs.
mrvesta: Please share any info you might have unearthed in these 5 long months.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->We know that the muslims used to kidnap Hindu women and rape them. How do we know these people (Pakistani muslims) are not the product of this rape?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In Punjab, the people were totally segregated (since the times of first invasion of muslims).
Muslims lived mostly closed to city or to a shrine of their "pir" in a village., away
from others. If you closely look at the name of the village from time to time you will notice
a word "Ranghar" meaning "coloured" or "mixed" or "b@st@rd". For example a very famous
village close to my village is named "Ranghar Nangal" i.e. "Nangal of the Ranghars".
Pakistan has a full battallion that exclusively recruites these "Ranghars". Now who are these
Ranghars?
The hierarchy from the time period of Before Mughals and later went like this
A Qiledar (who controls a fort).
A Nawab (who controls 2-5 villages).
A Zamindar (who controls 1 village).
A Farmer/peasent (who works on the land of Zamindar and pays him 50-80% of produce).
The upper three (qiledar,nawab and zamindar now referred as QNZ) and their Army,
would from time to time kidnap "beautiful" girls and rape them., once gone these girls
would be totally shunned by the rest of the people in village (including muslims).
Normally as long as the utility of the girl remained these QNZ kept them and often
many children were born out of this union. These children were named "RANGHARS"
by Hindus/Sikhs of Punjab (land between Indus and Jamuna).
One anecdote during the times of Guru Gobind Singh was that some Sikhs of the Lahore
area were travelling to see him at Anandpur Sahib (Chandigarh) when Ranghars
of Morinda attacked and took away everything (they were only men). They came empty handed to Guru Gobind Singh. Guru sent his elder son Ajit singh (who was later martyred fighting mughals at Chamkaur) and 100 Sikhs to fix these Ranghars, Ajit Singh rode from village to village until finding out the real culprits, punishing them and getting the stuff back to his father.
Normally these Ranghars were raised by the Maulavi/Qazi of the mosque and their
exclusive work was to "collect money","kidnap woman","threat others" for their
illigitemate fathers. Ranghars were kept away from their mothers and brought up
by Orphanages attached to mosques.
Now Rangharas didn't had a caste (or can calll themselves anything they wish).,
but many people in Punjab converted to islam for money, marriage, even such
reasons as "meat eating"., not to speak of forced conversions and death threats
till 1947.
The people who converted due to other reasons (not rape) i.e. money, forced threat, normally kept their last names and their proud ancestory.
For example A muslim Jutt is almost as proud as a Hindu Jutt or a Sikh Jutt.
While Rangharas are with shady ancestory.
Thanks for explaining "Ranghar". I always thought it means "randi" + ghar.
But Ranghars of pakistan always say we are muslim Rajputs.
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They can call themselves as Brahmins or whoever but the fact is that "Ranghar" as a caste came out of b@st@rd children of rape by Muslim rulers. May be their m others were Rajputs but they are 100% muslim (and are proud to be).
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They can call themselves as Brahmins or whoever but the fact is that "Ranghar" as a caste came out of b@st@rd children of rape by Muslim rulers. May be their m others were Rajputs but they are 100% muslim (and are proud to be).
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Also.. Rajput if you know means "Raje ka Put" i.e. "King's Son". So as in Indian tradition Rajputs married many women and had many concubines. Rajput was also a term donated meaning "b@st@rd" i.e. unknown father of a Kshtriya clan. So muslim Bastards were named "Ranghar" and in Delhi people who used to clean streets (during Aurungzeb time) were called "Ranghreta" (these people were all Sikhs of Guru Tegh Bahadur.
Rajputs are exclusively Hindus, Sikhs, (non-muslims).
Ranghar are exclusively Muslims.
Ranghreta were low-caste sweepers Sikhs of Guru Tegh Bahadur whom brought back the body limbs of Guru Tegh Bahadur (after his martyrdom) to his son at Anandpur sahib .
<b>The Ahluwalia Dynasty </b>---KAPURTHALA Royal family
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->4) Major Maharajkumar Karamjit Singh. b. 9th August 1896 (s/o Rani Kanari), educ. Harrow Sch., Mdsx. Dir. of Agric. 1926, Home Minister 1932, Supt. Oudh Estates 1932-1939, MEC and MSC 1939-1948, Vice-Presdt. State Cncl. 1944-1948 (Presdt. 1948). Rcvd: the Nishan-i-Shahi and Diamond Jubilee medal (1937) of Kapurthala. m. at Naini Tal, 19th November 1928, Rani Sita Devi Sahiba, KIH silver medal (1.1.1944) (b. at Naini Tal, 30th September 1915), Trustee John Martyn Memorial Trust, etc., third daughter of Raja Udai Raj Singh, of Kashipur Raj, in the United Provinces. He d. 7th June 1967, having had issue, two sons:
a) <b>Rajkumar Shri Arun Singh.</b> b. 29th August 1944, educ. the Doon Sch., Dehra Dun, and Cambridge Univ. (MA 1971). Employed by Metal Box and Reckitt & Colman India, MP (Rajya Sabha) for Uttar Pradesh 1984-1988, Parliamentary Sec. to the Prime Minister 1984-1985, Union Minister of State for Defence R&D 1985-1987, Special Exec. Assist. to the Minister for External Affairs 1999. Mbr. Delhi Gymkhana Club (1983), etc. m. (sep.) Kanwarani Nina Kaur Sahiba [Nina Singh]. He has issue, two sons and one daughter:
i) Kunwar Shri Hanut Singh. b. at New Delhi, 1973, educ. the Doon Sch., Dehra Dun, St Stephen's Coll., Delhi Univ., and Hunter Coll., New York, USA (AB). Journalist with Elle magazine and Editor L'Officiel magazine (Delhi), jewellery designer.
ii) Kunwar Shri Anirudh Singh. b. 1975, educ. the Doon Sch., Dehra Dun. m. 1997, Kanwarani Pooja Singh.
i) Kumari Bibiji Devaki Kaur. b. at New Delhi, August 1968. Fashion designer and screenplay writer. m. at New Delhi, 1st October 2006, Professor Marakand Ramchandra Paranjape, Fellow Univs. of Iowa and Texas, Professor of English at the Centre for Linguistics & English, Jawaharlal Nehru Univ., author of "Towards a Poetics of the Indian English Novel" (2000), "Used Book" (2001), and editor of "The Little Book of Sri Aurobindo" (2001), son of Ramchandra Laxman Paranjape, by his wife, Prabhavati.
b) Rajkumar Shri Martand Singh. b. 1947, educ. the Doon Sch., Dehra Dun. Textile designer and conservationist. Author of "Saris of India" (1996), and editor of "Tradition and Beyond - Handcrafted Indian Textiles" (2001). Historical Consultant "The Heart of India" (2002). Vice-Chair. Indian National Trust for Art and Cultural Heritage (INTACH), Oacific Asian Travel Assoc. (PATA), Cultural Heritage Award Committee, etc. Co-Founder Jaisalmer Heritage Trust, Chair. INTACH UK Trust, Trustee Mehrangarh Museum (Jodhpur), Mbr. Editorial Brd. of "Public Archaeology". Copyright<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Can anyone let me know where to find complete history of Dhanaji jadhav ????
Pls let me know . eg. where he was born , etc etc
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 2 SURNAMES , ARE THEY THE SAME , WHEN DID THE CHANGE HAPPEN (WHICH YEAR ) , ARE THEY RELATED ETC .
Can anyone tell me the difference between the Yadavs & Jadhavs of Maharashtra ?????
Also can anyone tell me more details of Dhanaji Jadhav ????
Rgds
Vishwas
Jadav in Bangal is the same as Yadav. Jadavpur = Yadavpur
As far as I know Jadav=Yadav, it's just that in some Indian languages "J" is used more than "Y" as in "Jaswant" for "Yashwanth".
But I am not sure about the Maharashtra situation, maybe they are not the same there because I do remember reading that the equivalent of Yadavs there are called Dhangar's (Malhar Rao Holkar was one).
Dhanaji Jadhav, I will look him up, GS Sardesai narrates some of his exploits along with Santaji Ghorpade in his book on Marathas (if I remember correctly Dhanaji and Santaji fell out with each other later), might want to check that.
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But I am not sure about the Maharashtra situation, maybe they are not the same there because I do remember reading that the equivalent of Yadavs there are called Dhangar's (Malhar Rao Holkar was one).
Dhanaji Jadhav, I will look him up, GS Sardesai narrates some of his exploits along with Santaji Ghorpade in his book on Marathas (if I remember correctly Dhanaji and Santaji fell out with each other later), might want to check that.
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Hi , Thank you very much . I wish to know more about Dhanaji . Youare right , he is the one who had a problem with Santaji.
What I want to know more is who is this Dhanaji , where was he born , According to my Info his surname should be Yadav and not Jadhav , and if so when did the name change and why .
this is what i want to know and also i am tracing his family tree , do u think i will ever succed in getting all theses detailed info b'cause there ar ehardly any books dedicated to this 1st class general . it is very starnge all books on shivaji and not a single one on any of the big generals in maharashtra .
pls let me know .
Vishwas
that might not be the case , as shivaji they say was a yadav .
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