ramana, by mentioning the Nazi link it looks like you stirred up a hornets nest.
Acharya, ramana .. this is way too important and everyone needs to get up to speed on this. I found the text of this interview while casually surfing a few Nazi sites hoping to find some Tibetan links. Everyone needs to get upto speed on this, because this is a bombshell.
Apparently the Nazis rumoredly created a secret impenetrable base in Newschwabenland or somewhere near the poles (south) before giving up a rump Germany to allied forces and left with 3 million of elite of Imperial Germany to the new base. Whether this is urban legend or fact .. no one can say for sure.
What specifically in the Nazi links did compel western researchers to study 2012 as end of time is getting clearer though through below text, plz pay particular attention to the text marked between red alerts. I am not highlighting the text this time.
<b>Secret Bases of the German Empire:
World Plan and Liberation Strike</b>
By Kawi Schneider, Cologne, 8th of October 2002
Background: During the Second World War, Adolf Hitler and the SS Generals Dr. Hans Kammler, Heinrich Himmler and Martin Bormann founded a top secret global Imperial German state in a net of military bases to which about 3 Million elite people, orphans and troops as well as high technology such as the Wunderwaffen were removed in order to liberate occupied rump Germany and conquer the world according to a 60-years-plan.
Internet search for: Neu Berlin, Neu-Schwabenland, Antarctica Base 211, Haunebu II, Nazi UFOs (beam cannon antigravitation fighter discs)
<i>Interview with a long standing expert on the secret Imperial German military bases, Herr Ernst Wahrnt</i>
<b>Kawi</b>: Good morning, Herr Wahrnt! When did you first understand that there are secret UFO reservations of the Third Reich?
<b>Wahrnt</b>: Why do you call them "reservations"? They are simply called "the bases". Already as early as 1957, I met an old gentleman who told me his brother was working in Neu-Schwabenland, Antarctica. They had been in direct contact only until 1952, however.
<b>Kawi</b>: So you had an indirect sort of communication with "the bases" at that time. Was this your only source of knowledge about this?
<b>Wahrnt</b>: No, I met Imperial German citizens myself only little later, who commute between the bases and the Federal Republic of Germany. Since then, I have had meetings with them every now and then.
<b>Kawi</b>: When was the last time? What are they doing here? Which passports do they have?
<b>Wahrnt</b>: Just 6 months ago. They watch the state of affairs here with us, our psychic condition, how our cities develop, the social atmosphere, all of what you can only do by direct personal observation. They have ordinary Federal German documents, because they don't out themselves as who they really are. Whenever they return home to the bases, they give in depth reports there, because this is the purpose of their excursions.
<b>Kawi</b>: How long do they intend do just passively watch the horror here? Why do they hardly ever tell anyone who they really are?
<b>Wahrnt</b>: Because they are not in need of it at all! They are so far superior to the affairs of our world in terms of ethics, spirit as well as military strength! On the other hand, they don't really just watch our world passively. <b>Alert</b> Let me remind you of what Adolf Hitler explains on the pages 684 to 689 in his book Mein Kampf about the strategy after the Second World War: The lost territories must be considered as of secondary ranking, in order to concentrate all resources etc. on the development and the strengthening of the "Reststaat", the remaining state territory, in order "to forge the sword of the liberation of the lost territories", as he puts it. The Liberation Strike has to be absolutely perfect, as he says, even if it is possible to do the strike only 50 years later.
<b>Kawi</b>: I have actually read this passage and I understand he is talking here about the territorial losses of Germany in the First World War!
<b>Wahrnt</b>: No, some parts of the passage are prophetical and refer indeed to the modern German "rest state" of our time, the bases, and the planned liberation strike which will liberate us Federal Germans and the Austrians.
<b>Kawi</b>: "Liberate"? I guess everyone will just shout "Nazis fuc* off", horrifying the Imperial German troops so that they will quickly disappear in the bases again.
<b>Wahrnt</b>: Okay, that is why the liberation strike is planned to coincide with biblical time, i. E. the final time or the "last days", meaning the final time of the rule of the enemy, which will open the eyes of the people.
Of course you are right, that the enemy wish us to hate and to throw stones on our liberators. The daily propaganda against the Third Reich everywhere is covertly targeting our contemporary Imperial Germans! But because their very existence is absolutely taboo, the hate propaganda is directed against the historical German Empire of until 1945, as it is officially known. If the real target were not the contemporary Imperial Germans, all this hate propaganda would just be absurd - there is no propaganda against Stalin (...), no, just against the Third Reich, everyday and everywhere!
<b>Kawi</b>: Aren't you afraid breaking this taboo?
<b>Wahrnt</b>: Well - in this very chair where you are sitting at the moment, a prominent secret service head was sitting years ago, and I'll never forget him saying: "Sir, the secret Germany is so secret, that it absolutely may not exist in the consciousness of the masses!" Today, however, most people in the world are in such a poor mental condition, that they just are not able to understand anything about the bases, even if you talk about them most carefully and patiently.
<b>End Alert</b>
<b>Kawi</b>: Did you publish about the subject?
<b>Wahrnt</b>: No, but friends did, you probably know the brochures of Otto Bergmann, to which others and myself contributed giving information to offer a good and comprehensive documentation.
<b>Kawi</b>: So when will the world's big change for the better come at last? The crisis of the old world is obviously intensifying.
<b>Wahrnt</b>: Exactly, this will even accelerate so much that everything can happen already in the year 2003. Already when I first learned about it, in 1957, the Imperial Germans told me it will be, or at least begin, in 2003, and ever since I tell the people we had to hold out the enemies' terror in Germany until 2003, until we would be liberated from outside.
<b>Kawi</b>: As far as I know from cyclical time theories, the change is rather due in 2004 or 2005. Moreover, there are prophecies of a war with giant Russian invasion of Germany. Would the Imperial Germans allow this to happen or would they rather prevent it?
<b>Wahrnt</b>: I can only say, they can prevent it, if they want to, an that is what I suppose will happen actually. Think of the innumerable wildfires that have occurred in the USA and in Russia, most of which were the consequences of ammunition destruction strikes of the Imperial Germans, as described already by Bergmann in the 80ies.
(Recently, in another talk Herr Wahrnt said, on the day of the "Imperial German air victory against the Columbia", on a question about the wildfires in Australia: "The weather war of Imperial Germany against the enemy is escalating mainly in Australia now, which is considered as one of her "big four" enemy states beside GB, the USA and Israel at present. In the near future, a time will come when the USA will not be able to even count the tornados any more that will devastate the country!")
<b>Kawi</b>: But the prophecies are so massive, that I tend to expect the Russian invasion all the same, also because it is already being prepared most energetically.
<b>Wahrnt</b>: Well, since 1945, the allies have always been preparing something against us most energetically, but the Imperial Germans never failed to protect us! Remember the Challenger in 1986 which carried the so-called green box, meaning a load of chemical weapons that was meant to contaminate either Germany or Neu-Schwabenland, I don't know it exactly any more. The Russian invasion here could only happen if it were an aspect of the World Plan and I'm sorry I can't tell whether or not it is, at the moment.
<b>Kawi</b>: What will the Liberation Strike be like?
<b>Wahrnt</b>: For example, all wireless stations will be superimposed by Imperial German transmissions in a Blitz action by giant mother ships hovering already invisibly over many cities in a height of 33 km. The invisibility technology works on an electromagnetic basis today, it doesn't take artificial fog as in the beginnings. In the worst time of crisis in the Endzeit there will be so much violence, caused by the vile character of the dying system of the enemy, that there will be so many dead bodies that it will be difficult to bury them. But when, in the end, our liberators will restore law and order, "every conference chairman in the world will be a German", as Colonel Gaddafi put it in his book. There will be a World Law Court, because the Nuremberg trials will fully have to be revised. Moreover, all crimes of the enemy have been recorded in the bases most meticulously, and all the guilty ones, if still alive, will be brought to justice. Nothing at all will be left over of multicultural society, for example, because this is a crime against all the peoples involved.
<b>Kawi</b>: Is this the reason why the other side is reinforcing their propaganda in favour of mix-racism and immigration at the moment?
<b>Wahrnt</b>: Exactly, they have a different way of logical thinking as we Germans have! They understand that their end is coming, but instead of using the rest of their time for reparations,
as we would do it in their place, they say: Now we try and take as many others as possible with us to hell. But in the end, the Imperial Germans will sweep the enemy away with the Iron Broom. And foreigners will be deported back to their home countries (...), of course.
<b>Kawi</b>: But what if they have German documents?
<b>Wahrnt</b>: There are none here! The "Federal Republic of Germany" was a fake state from the very beginning, run by Anti-German military governments of collaborators, trying to damage the German people systematically ever since.
<b>Kawi</b>: Another expert told me, Hitler had moved to the bases in the war while a double represented him in Berlin.
<b>Wahrnt</b>: Of course, you can compare this with Saddam Hussein today, who even has 25 doubles. Well done!
<b>Kawi</b>: Do you know how old Hitler was - or whether he is still alive, may be in the inner earth, because there aging is said to be much slower than here.
<b>Wahrnt</b>: No comment.
<b>Kawi</b>: Really no comment, but some subjunctive?!
<b>Wahrnt</b> (silently after al long pause): It is possible, that he will appear as a very old, but still vigorous man, in order to publicly announce his final victory himself.
<b>Kawi</b>: What about Martin Bormann? Officially, he died as an old spy of, and in, the Soviet Union. Another story tells he was the chief of the northern removal route to the bases in 1945.
<b>Wahrnt</b>: Of course he was! Remember also Rudolf HeÃ, those pictures of an old double sitting in a cell.
<b>Kawi</b>: You said earlier, that the Imperial Germans could have made their strike already 10, 20 or 30 years back. Already in 1945, they had brand new bombers, which they hadn't used any more, even the nuclear bomb. Why didn't they win the war already in 1945?
<b>Wahrnt</b>: They were strong enough to win 30 years back, but not yet in 1945. Then they said:
The bases are strong, we want to stop the war now, because when we continue to fight the occupiers there will be tens of millions of more casualties. We prefer to further improve the bases with the right technology and the Wunderwaffen and to prepare the liberation strike in a way that it will really succeed and really defeat the enemy.
<b>Kawi</b>: What do the Imperial Germans tell about the extraterrestrians?
<b>Wahrnt</b>: They are terrestrian and extraterrestrian themselves. "Aliens" etc. is a code for the Imperial Germans who have the sovereignty over space, the moon and Mars. There are no other "Aliens" or "Extraterrestrians"!
<b>Kawi</b>: How many Imperial Germans are living in the bases?
<b>Wahrnt</b>: 7 million meanwhile.
<b>Kawi</b>: I heard there are 7 million troops alone.
Wahrnt: No. The bases are like a giant clockwork, everyone, cook or captain, mother or engineer, are working for the common case, like the troops do.
<b>Kawi</b>: What will they do with our elites who have propagated all the time the stories of German guilt of war etc., and multicultural society?
<b>Wahrnt</b>: They are most horrible gangsters, like people who kill father and mother, hence they have no right to exist. If they should be among the survivors of the beginning crisis, they will be beheaded.
Source: http://www.unglaublichkeiten.com
Now here is the text with messy highlighting..
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Wahrnt</b>: Let me remind you of what Adolf Hitler explains on the pages 684 to 689 in his book Mein Kampf about the strategy after the Second World War: The lost territories must be considered as of secondary ranking, in order to concentrate all resources etc. on the development and the strengthening of the "Reststaat", the remaining state territory, in order "to forge the sword of the liberation of the lost territories", as he puts it. The Liberation Strike has to be absolutely perfect, as he says, even if it is possible to do the strike only 50 years later.
<b>Kawi</b>: I have actually read this passage and I understand he is talking here about the territorial losses of Germany in the First World War!
<b>Wahrnt</b>: No, some parts of the passage are prophetical and refer indeed to the modern German "rest state" of our time, the bases, and the planned liberation strike which will liberate us Federal Germans and the Austrians.
<b>Kawi</b>: "Liberate"? I guess everyone will just shout "Nazis fuc* off", horrifying the Imperial German troops so that they will quickly disappear in the bases again.
<b>Wahrnt</b>: Okay, that is why the liberation strike is planned to coincide with biblical time, i. E. the final time or the "last days", meaning the final time of the rule of the enemy, which will open the eyes of the people.
Of course you are right, that the enemy wish us to hate and to throw stones on our liberators. The daily propaganda against the Third Reich everywhere is covertly targeting our contemporary Imperial Germans! But because their very existence is absolutely taboo, the hate propaganda is directed against the historical German Empire of until 1945, as it is officially known. If the real target were not the contemporary Imperial Germans, all this hate propaganda would just be absurd - there is no propaganda against Stalin (...), no, just against the Third Reich, everyday and everywhere!
<b>Kawi</b>: Aren't you afraid breaking this taboo?
<b>Wahrnt</b>: Well - in this very chair where you are sitting at the moment, a prominent secret service head was sitting years ago, and I'll never forget him saying: "Sir, the secret Germany is so secret, that it absolutely may not exist in the consciousness of the masses!" Today, however, most people in the world are in such a poor mental condition, that they just are not able to understand anything about the bases, even if you talk about them most carefully and patiently.
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this was eye opening. thanks Raju.
also in relation to post 176 etc, here is how Hanuman observed Pushpaka when he went to Lanka:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->He saw houses glittered by various riches, well worshipped by Devas and Asuras, devoid of all flaws and obtained by the self-might of rakshasas. He saw those houses of the ruler of Lanka, constructed by great effort as though constructed by Mayaa himself on earth with all best qualities.
Thereafter Hanuma saw the best house of the lord of rakshasas, having the appearance of a cloud, soul-captivating one having a beautiful form made of gold which has no comparison, suitable of Ravana's might. The son of Vayu Hanuma saw Ravana's house like heaven thrown upon earth, effulgent with glory, embedded with variety of diamonds covered by flowers of various trees, like the summit of a mountain covered by pollen. Being shone by the best among women like a cloud by lightening, being worshipped, like being carried by the best swans, like an aerial car full of splendor, of good people in sky. He saw the best house like a beautiful cloud endowed with many hues, like the sky illumined by planets including the moon, decked with numerous precious stones like a mountain peak, looking picturesque with numerous minerals. The earth was made to be full of mountain ranges. The mountains were made to be abounded of trees. The trees were made to be full of flowers. The flower was made to be full of filaments and petals. White mansions were also built in the same way. Lakes also with beautiful flowers and also lotuses together with filaments and forest that were the best and wonderful.
<b>There the great Hanuma saw a great aerial car, the best among best of aerial cars, shining with the name of Pushpaka with the rays of precious stones, and capable of traveling long distances. Artificial birds made of cat's-eye gems, as well as birds made of silver and coral, wonderful serpants made of various jewels, horses of beautiful limbs suitable by their noble breed were arranged. Birds were made with corals on their wings and together with golden flowers, with good wings, with curved and bent wings in a playful way, shining like helpers of the god of love himself. Images of elephants in a lotus-pool with filaments of lotus on body, with lotus petals held in their trunks, were devoted to the worship of an image of Goddess Lakshmi. And also an image of Goddess Lakshmi with four graceful hands and holding lotus in Her hand was made to exist in Pushpaka.</b>
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11-01-2007, 10:13 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-01-2007, 10:24 PM by ramana.)
I am only a margadarsi. One still has to travel the marg as you are doing.
Bodhi, That Gurjdeiff is very important. Try ot sepnd some time reading up on him.
That Childress guy is inot this vimana stuff and has been writing for quite some time. He is the author of the Lost Cities series of books.
One problem with that Bharadwaja Vimanika Shastra of Mr G. Josyer is that it is not a litteral translation of something that exists. Its Koranic in origin! Means it was written by inspiration. So there are doubts. However there was an AIAA conf in Bangalore in 1988 which came out later that had sketches based on this.
The guy drew up sketches of his interpretation of the stanzas and also a classificatin of different vimanas.
I have been following that stuff before Internet.
BTw look at page 58 of this pdf for exact title of paper:
http://iaaweb.org/iaa/Studies/history.pdf
Abstract:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->INDO-ARYAN TRADITIONS AND HISTORY OF ASTRONAUTS
Pinotti Roberto
1988 - IAA 88-600 - vol 10 - AAS vol.17 - pp. 3-12
In several Indo-Aryan poems and traditions we may find strange descriptions of different mythological flying devides, called "vimanas" in Sanskrit. After a brief analysis of such myths and their necessary comparison, the paper faces the problem of the impressive and detailed descriptions of these flying devices in the light of an advenced science, undergoing their possible conncections with today's aerospace technology.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the western research on 2012 now seems increasingly and totally based around a fear that forces antagonistic to west will use the Mayan calender's end-time prophecy to strike against what people in the <i>non-western</i> and <i>non-neocon/bilderberg/Rothschild areas of influence</i> perceive as evil forces...which the west especially US fears that it will be the target. <b>The readymade availablity of such prophecy also means that anti-Rockefeller/Bilderberg forces will not have to conduct psy-ops through media to convince people of their agenda</b>. They have readymade psy-ops material given to them by Mayans. This now increasingly seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Needless to say, both sides must be preparing. One to attack and the other to counter-attack and defend if possible.
Kawi Schneider who printed that interview aboe and Christian Saal are perhaps the most prolithic writers concerning Neuschwabenland on the internet. People cite them for both good and bad. In fact, you need days to go through their articles posted on that site, www.unglaublichkeiten.info
Raju,
We need a seperate thread for Vimana shastra.
yes, and some more research needs to go into this newschwabenland.
Who will do the honors?
Viren please help.
<b>NAZI BASES IN ANTARCTICA</b>
The historical facts are evident. Beginning in 1838, long before the end of the Second World War, the Nazi's commenced to send out numerous exploratory missions to the Queen Maud region of Antarctica. A steady stream of expeditions were reportedly sent out from [at the time] white supremacist South Africa. Over 230,000 square miles of the frozen continent were mapped from the air, and the Germans discovered vast regions that were surprisingly free of ice, as well as warm water lakes and cave inlets. One vast ice cave within the glacier was reportedly found to extend 30 miles to a large hot-water geothermal lake deep below. Various scientific teams were moved in to the area, including hunters, trappers, collectors and zoologists, botanists, agriculturists, plant specialists, mycologists, parasitologists, marine biologists, ornithologists, and many others. Numerous divisions of the German government were involved in the top secret project.
This is where the mainstream historians leave off, as only revisionist historians will dare consider the implications of the rest of the story...
After all the data was gathered, deep underground construction teams came pouring into the renamed "<b>Neu-Schwabenland</b>". They came on cargo ships, military transport ships, and submarines. The cargo ships coming from South Africa were protected by a host of killer-submarines and military ships. This might explain the intense Nazi war efforts in North and South Africa. Any ship that even came close to the shipping routes from South Africa to Antarctica were destroyed by German U-boats to protect the secret. After all the goods were brought, the VIPs and scientists started to show up with a compliment of ULTRA, a highly specialized Nazi SS team like our MJ-12. ULTRA has always been in control of Antarctica. As for Neu Schwabenland, the construction and secret projects in Antarctica continued throughout the entire course of the war.
Just before the end of the WWII, two German provision U-boats, U-530 and U-977, were launched from a port on the Baltic Sea. Reportedly they took with them members of the antigravity-disk research and development teams [ULTRA], and the LAST of the most vital disc components [much of this technology and hardware had been transported to the base during the course of the war]. This included the notes and drawings for the latest saucer or aerial disk designs, and designs for the gigantic underground complexes and living accommodations based on the remarkable underground factories of Nordhausen in the Harz Mountains. The two U-boats duly reached the new land of Neu-Schwabenland where they unloaded everything. When they arrived in Argentina several months later, their crews were captured. It seems as if they were either counting on the formerly German-friendly Argentineans to allow them access, or it could have been that they intentionally allowed themselves to be discovered for misinformation purposes, i.e. -- "yes... we are the last two renegade German subs. We've been trying to hold out but...oops, you caught us... the war's finally over!"
The crews of these U-Boats were of course interrogated by U.S. Intelligence agents who had suspected the existence of the Antarctic base. Whatever the Nazi soldiers tried to tell them, apparently the Americans were not convinced... especially considering the subsequent and ill-fated U.S. Navy backed military actions against the Nazi's "Last Battalion" in Antarctica in later years under Admiral Richard E. Byrd, who arrived at Antarctica with an entire military armada and provisions to last 6 month. However the the entire expedition lasted only 8 weeks, with only approximately three weeks of actual full-scale Antarctic operations.
The Antarcticans were desperate following the war, and knew that a confrontation was imminent. Much effort was put into developing secret weapons projects to defend their new underground Empire, which no doubt was constructed with the 'help' of a large number of expendable slave laborers transported from the concentration camps of Europe.
<b>The major base-city of Antarctica became known as the NEW BERLIN, or by the code-named "Base-211"</b>
The actual beginnings of German interest in the polar regions may date back BEFORE the earliest U.S. Navy polar expeditions. For instance one segment of NOVA related that the remains of Capt. Charles Hall of the ill-fated POLARIS expedition, one of the first American ventures to the North Pole, were discovered in an ice grave by a subsequent polar expedition. It seemed that when the body was examined it was found to contain poison. It was also discovered by searching the records that the cook [who would be in the perfect position to administer poison] and the first mate on the Polaris expedition were German Occultist spies! Remember that the German secret societies of Bavaria, which had helped to precipitate the first and second world wars, date back to ancient times when -- following the occupation of Egypt -- the [un]'Holy Roman Empire' military forces based in Germany, the seat of government for the HO.R.E, brought back from Egypt the black Gnostic "serpent cults" which later gave rise to the Bavarian Illuminati, the Bavarian Thule Society and a host of other lesser known satanic racist cults which gravitated around these. Could the occultist spies who sabotaged the POLARIS expedition have been attempting to protect a secret hidden deep within the polar regions? Could this secret have had something to do with an ancient collaboration between Bavarian satanic cults and reptilian-based aliens?
A German Polar researcher who we will identify only as 'Stefan' reveals that the <b>'historical' beginnings of German interest and research into the Antarctic or South Polar region itself began in 1873 when Sir Eduard Dallman on behalf of the newly founded German Society of Polar Research discovered new Antarctic routes with his ship 'GRONLAND'</b>.
"...Dallman discovered the "Kaiser-Wilhelm-Inseln" at the western entrance of the Biskmarkstrasse along the Biscoue Islands. Exploring the polar regions, the Germans were already at this time quite innovative, for the 'GRONLAND' was the first steamship to see the Antarctic ice at all.
"Within the next 60 years 2 further expeditional thrusts took place, and two complete expeditions were fulfilled, namely 1910 under Wilhem Filchner with his ship 'DEUTSCHLAND'; and 1925 with the special designed polar expedition ship, the 'METEOR' under the command of Dr. Albert Merz.
"During the recent years before WWII the Germans claimed to hegemony about parts of Antarctica and the wish to possess [their] own base grew stronger. At this time the Antarctic was not safe due to international treaties like today and a pragmatic proof of Germany's claim by a single strike to the south pole on the eve of the war seemed to be the best option. Hitler himself was anxious for a foothold in the Antarctic and such a claim could be used pretty well for the Nationalsocialistic propaganda and a further demonstration of the uprising "Superpower Germany". On the other side a new provocation of the Allies had still to be avoided for some time. Germany was -- at this time -- not completely prepared for the coming war.
"As a matter of fact, the idea of a semi-civilian expedition in cooperation with the German national airline company, the 'LUFTHANSA' grew up. A civilian covered expedition with truly military and strategical background, a highly political charged balancing act. The command on this strike was given to the polar-experienced Captain Alfred Ritscher, who had already led some expeditions to the North Pole and proved courage and skill ness in critical situations. The selected ship was the 'MS SCHWABENLAND, a German aircraft carrier used since 1934 for transatlantic mail delivery by special flight boats, the famous 'Dornier Wale'. These 'Wales' were mounted on steam catapults on the deck of the ship and could be started and refueled this way easily. This circumstance should proof very well during the expedition.
"The 'SCHWABENLAND' was prepared for the expedition on Hamburg's shipyards, which cost the huge amount of 1 Million Reichsmark, nearly a third of the complete expedition budget.
<i>contd..</i>
"Meanwhile, the crew was prepared and scheduled by the German Society of Polar Research precisely. This society also made the sensational step to invite Richard E. Byrd, the most famous American Antarctic researcher. On the mid of November 1938 he arrived in Hamburg and showed the crew and a clearly selected publicity of 84 persons his new Antarctic documentation movie in the Urania of Hamburg. Byrd, who had flown across the south pole as the first human in 1929, was already at this time a living legend, a national hero to the Americans and most of the polar researchers. In 1938 he still was civilian. This invitation to the Germans could have been a typical irony of history, for nearly ten years later exactly this Richard E. Byrd -- then in the rank as US NAVY admiral -- got the instruction to destroy the secret German Antarctic base 211. To do this, he was given the command of the biggest military force on the Antarctic ice ever seen, 13 ships and nearly 4000 men staff. That mysterious operation which is said to have ended in a catastrophically failure.
"The 'NEUSCHWABENLAND' left the port of Hamburg on December 17th 1938 heading to the Antarctic on a precisely planned and determined route and reached the ice on January 19th 1939 at 4° 15´ W and 69° 10´S. The following weeks on 15 flights the 'PASSAT' and the 'BOREAS' flew across some 600.000 square kilometers and made with their special designed German "Zeiss Reihenmessbildkameras RMK 38" more than 11.000 pictures of the area. The old Norwegian maps from 1931 on these areas were renewed, for they proved to be fake. [Could not be different, because the Norwegian expeditions before did never go so deep into the ice from the used Northern landing point]. Nearly one fifth of the whole Antarctic area was scanned this way, thus documented for the first time and simultaneous claimed to be German territory. To stress this claim on the outside too, the two planes dismissed several thousands of drop-flags, special metal poles with expedition's insignia on them, the 'swastika'. The whole territory now got the still valid name: 'NEUSCHWABENLAND', referring to a south German region [which is actually not far from me here].
"Interestingly, the Expedition seemed to have discovered ice-free areas with even lakes and small signs of vegetation in the mid of the Antarctic. The geologists said that this phenomenon was due hot sources in the ground. Concurrent, the landings points where marked with "prick-flags".
"Notes: Some newer historians reduce the discovered area to an amount of 325.000 square kilometers. Do not trust these numbers, I have copies of the original flight maps here, revealing the number 600.000 in ancient letters. What could be the reason to reduce this number?
"Most parts of 'NEUSCHWABENLAND' were renamed according to the Antarctic treaty in 1957. Look out for "QUEEN MAUD LAND"., "PRINCESS MARTHA COAST", "PRINCESS ASTRID COAST". On the older maps you will still find the original names. Yet, until today still many of the mountains in the northern Antarctic area carry German names like: "M_HLIG-HOFFMAN-MOUNTAINS", "WOHLTAT-MOUNTAINS", etc. These names were given according to leading Berlin bureaucrats who enabled with their policy the expedition's targets.
"In the mid of February, the 'SCHWABENLAND' again left the Antarctic. It took two months back to Hamburg and Ritscher carefully used this time to organize the results, maps and photos. Captain Ritscher surprised by the results of the flights, immediately planned after the arrival a second, fully civilian, expedition in use of lighter airplanes with skids. Facing the beginning of WWII, these civilian (!) plans were said to be given up somewhere on October 1939.
"Yet, what about the military and strategic option achieved by this strike? Was it wasted resources so far? Today, all historians agree in the fact that WWII was not accidentally started but pretty well planned from the early 30's and even before. At least since 1933 (incidentally the same year when one of the first 'official' treaties between the Greys and Bavarian Intelligence was initiated -- no doubt with more than a little help from the secret societies operating there - Branton) the whole German dictatorship tried to gain war fitness within a decade or earlier. In all -- and I really mean all -- aspects of life: military, 'civilian', economic, social, private, resourcing, engineering, foreign policy, and so on, in all aspects the Germans were put straight on their way to war more or less obviously. Pointing to this only aim, the Nationalsocialists abused the typical kind of German correctness and missing sense for rebellious scrutinizing. Nothing was left to chance! And this same method was used in the Antarctic issue, which in my eyes NEVER ended with Ritscher's return [in] 1938 but went on during the WWII.
"Unfortunately, at this point all valid information has vanished. What is left is a scattered puzzle of hints, testimonies and reports which go up to the fifties and which we partially can not verify anymore. So IF the Germans WERE able to build up an Antarctic [underground] base on the results of Ritscher's expedition, this would be one of the really best covered secrets in German history. No question, German engineers HAD the knowledge to construct something like that as the huge underground establishments of the Nordhausen complex in the Harz as well as Kahla complex at Thuumlringen and many more prove. Does this remind you Americans of something??? The pattern somehow is the same: A lying government / dictatorship and a frightened, blind-held folks willing to obey and believe in what they are fed up with...[see Roswell].
"So, what we did in Part II ... was the attempt to restructure chronically those parts of the puzzle we could gather within some months of research on this topic. Nobody can say that the following really happened, so you might see it as speculation first. Yet, we HAVE tremendous parallels on several sources from which we can only say this one thing 100%ly: THEY COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN OF EACH OTHER!
"What follows now is the attempt of a chronological collection of the events and their conclusions as far as they are known to us today. They all lead to the establishing of the Antarctic base 211 at the end of war by means of German submarines and flying saucers and to the [failed ?] attempt to destroy it by the US Navy in 1947.
Note: The following are brief descriptions or synopsis' of information and documentation which 'Stefan' has in his possession, yet which we will not quote in their entirety here. - Branton):
"-- Evaluation of the anti-gravity propulsion of a nearly 100% functional flying saucer going down in the 'Schwarzwald' in the summer 1936.
"-- Alternative hypothesis: Self-developing this propulsion by experiments of German scientists basing on Viktor Schauberger's anti-gravity experiments.
"-- First unmanned flights with the new [re-]built propulsion. A very special section of the "Reichsluftfahrtbehoumlrde" gets the project under its control with the aim to build up anti-gravital fighters and troop-carriers. The project's name is 'HANEBBU' [some sources also call it the 'VRIL' project]. The prototypes are numbered in ascending order. The project has many setbacks in the first years due to the massive electro-magnetic disturbances and their interaction with conventional electric components. Although the propulsion can be handled and used principally, it seems to be nearly impossible to "drive or fly" these prototypes in sharper angels than 90¦, thus not usable as fighters. Additionally normal navigation systems referring somehow to magnetic fields were completely useless and special magnetic independent navigation instrumentation designed, the celestial guidance system: "Meisterkompass" and "Peiltochterkompass".
"-- Further secret German expeditions to 'NEUSCHWABENLAND'. As landing points, there could have been used two of the three marked landing bays north-west of the "HLIG-HOFFMAN MOUNTAINS" close to 3° W and 70° S. Those were already documented as 'landing bays' by Ritscher. "-- Starting the assemblage of the Antarctic base 211. Simultaneously a second secret base is build up on a high plateau in the South American Andes. [Argentina ?]
"-- Necessary items for the erection of the bases are continuously transported on submarines. Note: German submarine commanders are highly experienced in the Arctic waters due to the need of delivery of material and people to Germany's northern Arctic bases and civilian research stations. In fact at least 20 well documented operations have taken place along the Arctic until 1945 by means of these submarines. Some of these operations, especially the later ones, had to be carried out under extreme conditions and with the permanent threat of contact with the enemy. Besides, on their way to the south pole, researchers discovered somewhat like a straight deep submarine trench fitting pretty well for the necessary transportation's.
"-- The 'HANNEBU' series has left the stadium of prototypes and brought up to 19-25 ships in 2 [or even 3] sizes. "HANEBU I" is a small vessel, "HANNEBU II" a more sophisticated, larger one. Some reports even hint at "HANNEBU III", which was designed as a mother ship. If this third type has become reality, there existed only one single ship. So, the overall transport capacities are still very limited, due to a quite small diameter of the disks. Additionally production of ships gets more and more difficult, because the Allies managed to cut of Germany's raw materials more and more. Yet 'HANNEBUs' managed to disturb some allied bomber raids over Germany. Note: Every allied bomber pilot in the [latter] years of the war knew the mysterious threat of the so called "foe-fighters" appearing and vanishing with incredible speed and causing bright-orange light phenomenon's and paroxysmal instrumentation failures on all electric and magnetic parts of the bombers. In no source a direct attack by these "foe-fighters" is mentioned, they seem to play a completely defensive role on the late air war over Germany.
(Note: see the movie, THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE, which correctly implies that the Germans were on the verge of developing a whole range of incredible new aerial weapons, and needed to prolong the war for a few more months in order to get their new jets, etc., into production, and the Battle of the Bulge was a part of this plan. However just as these new weapons were about to go into mass production the German military failed to fully succeed in their battle plans to buy more time and prolong the war for a few more months, and the Allied invasion of Germany began. That particular victory may have been closer than most of us would dare to believe. If the 'Nazis/Antarcticans' are planning for another planetary takeover, then this time they may have an alien force working with them. Could the abductions and implantation's by 'aliens' be a joint CIA-Nazi-Alien project to implement electronic mind control programming on millions of people throughout the nations in preparation for the attempted implimentation of an electronically-controlled New World Order dictatorship? - Branton)
"-- The enormous pressure of the Allies force the Germans to give up the big secret underground facilities in Eastern Germany. The Allies themselves seem to be pretty well informed on these facilities and overall eager to capture them. The Germans flee and leave back much material of the 'HANNEBU' project. Their attempt to rebuild the construction zones in the middle of Germany fails. The war is nearly over. "Quotations: "... I have seen enough of their designs and production plans to realize that if they [the Germans] had managed to prolong the war some months longer, we would have been confronted with a set of entirely new and deadly developments in air warfare.
" -- Sir Roy Feddon, chief of the technical mission to Germany for the Ministry for Aircraft Production in 1945. "When WWII ended, the Germans had several radical types of aircraft and guided missiles under development. The majority were in the most preliminary stages, but they were the only known craft that could even approach the performance of objects reported to UFO observers...
" -- Captain Edward J. Ruppelt Chief of the US Air Force Project 'Bluebook' on 1956. "Notes:
"-- A last convoy of submarine vessels leaves German Harbors with direction to Antarctica and Andes. It is the overall successful attempt to escape the Allies' clutches. Among this last convoy there are the U 530 [Captain Otte Wehrmut] and the U977m [Captain Heinz Schaumlffer].
"-- The last visual contact with U977 was on April 26th at Christiansund. Schaumlffer's crew did not reveal anything about the submarine's destination or load. The vessel vanishes now for nearly 4 months, before the crew delivers a completely empty vessel to Argentinian Officials.
"-- In the same way, leading NS-Officials and technicals are evacuated from Berlin/Potsdam with the HANEBU fleet heading to the meanwhile COMPLETED (?) base 211. The overall transport capacities are quite limited.
"-- The submarine convoy achieves in the southern Atlantic Sea a sea victory over an Allied unit trying to stop it. This event is under wraps until today.
"-- Germany's capitulation [to the Allies] 17 August 1945.
"-- Some submarine crews who are not willing to live in the base or who perhaps can't be admitted to the base travel to Argentine and hand over their completely empty submarines.
"-- Among those are the documented cases of U530 and U977. High US NAVY officials immediately traveled down to Argentine and started severe
interrogations on the crew. Scgaumlffer repeatedly denied to have brought anyone or anything to anywhere. Although most of the crew are unwilling to tell what really happened, it is possible that these interrogations deliver important information about the location of the base.
(Note: One source has claimed that the information the interrogators received involved the escape of Adolph Hitler, Martin Borrman, Eva Braun and a major segment of the Nazi leadership -- not including those who were 'sacrificed' to the Nuremberg trials after the war -- to the South Polar base. This source claimed that these interrogations ultimately LED to the military action against the entrenched Nazi forces in Antarctica under the command of Navy Admiral Richard E. Byrd. - Branton). Yet for us, it remains very mysterious what the crew really did after the official capitulation on May 1945, for they confessed to have heard it soon on their own radio. When Schaumlffer came free, he immediately traveled back to Argentina to stay there with some fellows for the rest of his life.
"-- Until today more than 100 submarines of the German fleet are missing. Among those are many of the highly technological XXII class equipped with the so-called 'Walterschnorchel', a special designed and coated schnorkel enabling submarines in combination with their new developed engines to dive for many thousand miles. A 'trip' to the base without recognition becomes pretty possible with this technology.
"-- The US Navy tries to destroy the German base which did not surrender at the end of war. The operation is a disaster. The base remains functional, at least in parts.
"-- More than one year after the surrendering of U977 the US NAVY launches the biggest military operation in the Antarctic ice under the command of Admiral Richard E. Byrd. This is the operation 'HIGHJUMP', including 13 ships, 1 aircraft carrier, 2 seaplane tenders, 6 two-engined R4D transports and 4000 men. The only official statement on the purpose of such a task force is the need for testing "new material under the extreme Antarctic conditions." The force starts up at the established US bases in the "ROSS SEA", then it moves up the western Antarctic coast heading toward the Northern Antarctic coast, 'NEUSCHWABENLAND' and building up a bridgehead on January 27th 1947 somewhere west of it. Officially the expedition is a big success because it delivers many new facts of the use of military equipment under extreme conditions. "-- What is the need of such a big task force in this area? IF the expedition was such a success, WHY did Byrd already return to the US in February 1947? The operation was planned and equipped for a full 6-8 month duration. Did this expedition carry atomic warheads as some sources say?
(Note: although the entire expedition lasted some 8 weeks as suggested earlier, some sources claim that the actual battle -- once Byrd's forces had been divided into three main battle groups on the continent of Antarctica -- lasted only 3 weeks. - Branton)
"-- Byrd flew in 1947 at least one time in a right-twisted circle across the whole territory 'NEUSCHWABENLAND' heading from southwest over the 'RITSCHER HOCHLAND' and the eastern areas to the Pole. On his return to the US, Byrd reveals in an [often quoted but nowhere validated] interview with a reporter that it was "necessary for the USA to take defensive actions against enemy air fighters which come from the polar regions" and that in case of a new war, the USA would be attacked by fighters that are able to fly from one pole to the next with incredible speed". (Actually this quote HAS been validated, as will be seen later on in this document - Branton). Byrd has to face a secret cross-examination by US authorities. The US withdraws from the Antarctic for almost a decade.
(Note: Another claim which has been made by certain investigators, although the original source is difficult to track down, was that upon returning to the States Admiral Byrd went into a rage before the President and Joint Chiefs of Staff and in an almost demanding tone, strongly 'suggested' that Antarctica be turned into a thermonuclear test range. - Branton)
"-- World wide mass sightings of UFOs. In the late 70's it becomes more and more obvious that many of these sightings are identical in some technical details with the 'HANEBU' series. This can be stated especially for the so called 'ADAMSKI' UFOs in the early fifties which somehow look very terrestrial, nearly in "fashion style" of this decade and somehow very different from the rest of flat-bottomed crafts.
"-- The International Antarctic year with large civilian research projects starts. The result is the Antarctic treaty in which all participants agree to avoid any military operations this region in future times. This treaty ends somewhere in the year 2000.
Raju,
Remove all your posts in the last 3 pages and post it in the Vimana shastra thread.
Use judgement when you can post only links and not photo. Once the message is sent o not post the photo. Also text should only contain what is relavent. Rest should be inside the link.
We want to keep this 2012 only relevent to 2012 and India.
Make sure that you connect the dots and give analysis. Readers are Indians who are being exposed to the new material. Please give explanation profusely.
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>>Make sure that you connect the dots and give analysis. Readers are Indians who are being exposed to the new material. Please give explanation profusely.
ok, photos will be kept at bare minimum. I too am learning and connecting dots on the go.
i am exposed to these texts but sometimes new dots are connecting only now and usually I want to distil the message before posting so that people have no problem in understanding new ideas. But feel that in this case one must make haste. Sometimes things end up jumbled, and there is difficulty for the viewer, but when clearer picture emerges we can chop and change as required.
New Schawabenland posts are relevant from angle of the post at top of page 7 of this thread. The whole area of Antartic has been made inaccessible to mango man/aam aadmi. And if access is given, it is highly regulated and controlled. We do not know for truth what is going on there except for sarkari version. Also note a post somewhere in page 6 of this thread about how the British captured a German U-Boat near the Indonesian straits with 33 tons of Mercury as cargo. Now Mercury in a U-Boat seems quite unneccessary...but then when we read through the text given above about Vimana Shastra and German Vril/Hanebu models, a fact comes to light that mercury is a most important source for propulsion of these technologies. Also after WW-II there were 60+ U-Boat's that went totally missing and were unaccounted for either in Germany or in allied books. Where did they go...to a new base ??
If there are entities who are going to use the *biblical/Mayan end of times prophecy* as a context and pretext to attack, we need to speculate where they arise from and which all areas are at maximum risk from them...this I state without wanting to sound or come across as alarmist ...why there was a detente all along ?? Why the stalemate and buildup until now by all parties...why didn't they act earlier ?
<b>Secondly if indeed there are mediums that receive instructions .. do they also receive instructions to wait for a pre-destined date before launching any offensive action with the gained technology ?? Because it seems even after gaining technological superiority, there is a move towards pacifism in certain circles.. what is the key to that ? Are there a lot of vested interests with vast powers that want to wait until end of times prophecy to settle scores. This is a question that is now intriguing me even more</b>
Very important in this context is Admiral Richard E. Byrd's claim after his expedition to North and South poles that most deadly potential threat to US would come from the poles. Will also post his missing diary contents here.
acharya, also follow your lead and explain profusely what is going on in post 194 and 195? <!--emo&  --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
11-02-2007, 10:50 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-02-2007, 10:52 AM by Bodhi.)
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Ramana, I had read parts of his works - particularly charming style though complex content - and was immediately drawn to the importance of what he was trying to do. I learnt about some demi-secret soceities that go on to this day in USA to continue his work.
His biggest problem was his unfamiliarity with west, and he depended a lot upon the western pupil to propogate his thoughts - and due to this, largely and mostly his ideas got diverted, diluted and then completely hijacked. Well, those like him who looked eastwards also ended up like-wise, like Blavtsky.
But this is matter for some other thread probably.
11-02-2007, 11:06 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-02-2007, 11:25 PM by ramana.)
I have something to add. Mrs IG created a mission in mid 1980s for India to be part of Antartica. She funded the setting up of Dakshin Gangotri (DG) station in Antartica and claimed a huge portion based on the fact that India is touched by the ocean in direct line of sight. Immediately the Antartica Treaty organization put all national claims on hold however claims made before the decision are still registered. The DG operation was carried out from DC Embassy as it was urgent. The Indian Institute of Oceanography had a role in that. In mid 90s there use to be a scientist who used to post on soc.culture.india news reports from there. India has new station Maitri as DG now obsolete. Can pursue this in another thread.
there is an unedited version of Admiral Byrd's press conference post his Antartic expedition lying around somewhere on the web. the version was ignored by then american media for obvious reasons of govt control...but was published by latin American esp Chilean media since some of its reporters were at spot. I had posted the entire stuff in BR..lack of archives meant the thread..nukkad? got nuked after 9 pages and consigned to some bin.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But the expedition, in keeping with its cover as a mapping expedition perhaps, was composed also of small contingents of news media and reporters from other countries, one of which was Chile. A reporter working for the Chilean El Mercurio in Santiago, one Lee van Atta, accompanied Admiral Byrd, who "made some astounding statements, all dutifully recorded" and reported by van Atta, and dutifully ignored in the American press.16 In its March 5, 1947 edition,
Byrd announced to me today that it is necessary for the United States to put into effect defensive measures against enemy airmen which come from the polar regions. The Admiral further explained that he did not have the intention to scare anyone but <b>the bitter reality is that in case of a new war the United States would be in a position to be attacked by flyers which could fly with fantastic speed from one pole to the other</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Raju Move this post to the other thread Vimana. I will expand that thread to include other discussion too.
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