Cricket Thread -4

[Shambhu]

Sachin to be test captain
http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2007/oct/27ten.htm

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India beat Pak by 5 wickets . Dhoni played skipper's knock. <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Shambhu]

Sachin declines Test captaincy
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/cont...ory/318623.html

[Guest]

Kumble's going to lead for tests.

[Guest]

<b> India beat Pak, win series </b>

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any info on where we can watch the ind-aus test series? I tried watchindia.tv and streambox.tv. Just got stuck and the page did not load at all.

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<!--QuoteBegin-LSrini+Dec 26 2007, 09:14 PM-->QUOTE(LSrini @ Dec 26 2007, 09:14 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->any info on where we can watch the ind-aus test series? I tried watchindia.tv and streambox.tv.  Just got stuck and the page did not load at all.
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Thanks guys for not responding. We are losing anyway.

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Thanks guys for not responding. We are losing anyway.
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Lsrini sorry yaar could not reply to your post. My account got activated only today evening.

Here is a list of sites from which you can watch the cricket match.
http://www.bollym4u.com/sop10.htm
http://www.bollym4u.com/sop11.htm
http://www.p2pglobe.com
http://watch-live-cricket.blogspot.com/

P.S-You'll need to install sopcast player for viewing the match.

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<!--QuoteBegin-Harshvardan+Dec 27 2007, 12:18 PM-->QUOTE(Harshvardan @ Dec 27 2007, 12:18 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-LSrini+Dec 27 2007, 08:34 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(LSrini @ Dec 27 2007, 08:34 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-LSrini+Dec 26 2007, 09:14 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(LSrini @ Dec 26 2007, 09:14 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->any info on where we can watch the ind-aus test series? I tried watchindia.tv and streambox.tv.  Just got stuck and the page did not load at all.
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Thanks guys for not responding. We are losing anyway.
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Lsrini sorry yaar could not reply to your post. My account got activated only today evening.

Here is a list of sites from which you can watch the cricket match.
http://www.bollym4u.com/sop10.htm
http://www.bollym4u.com/sop11.htm
http://www.p2pglobe.com
http://watch-live-cricket.blogspot.com/

P.S-You'll need to install sopcast player for viewing the match.
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thanks man. I will try it.

When I thanked earlier for not responding, I was not being sarcastic, I seriously meant it. No point watching india lose to aus.

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Lsrini the match and series is not yet over.

Let us wait and watch, even if India does not win the match it will be pleasure to watch a good performance from both sides.

[Guest]

I am not sure why people are saying Bucknor was incompetent. He was outright hostile. To anybody who has played cricket in their life the Dravid decision was just so out of whack, it could only be termed hostile if not fixed outright. This man needs to be studied properly and a complaint made to ICC's ethics committee.

There are 'borderline' events that could go either way. IOW there are grey areas where a player/ump on the take can say i-am-good-boy-onlee or human-error-onlee. But the outright hostile decisions like the ones made by Bucknor in this match are just too obvious and if ICC doesnt act on these things cricket will go the baseball way.

[Shambhu]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/a-class...545.html?page=1

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..let the whole bunch of this spawn of convicts go to hell..

[Guest]

Oohhhhhhhhhhhh.... how many native indeginous aborginies playing for AuSS team? Can they even afford TVs or radios to watch Pointing and co. cheat?

[Guest]

The moron-of-the-month award should go to sagarika goose CNNIBN, in yesterdays 10 Clock show. take a look at this....

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Millions of cricket fans across India are enraged that off-spinner Harbhajan Singh has been accused of racism and banned for three Tests. Fans say there is no evidence against Harbhajan and no Indian can ever be racist.

“India’s national commitment is against racism. Our national struggle is based on values that negate racism,” the Indian cricket board has said while rejecting the allegation against Harbhajan.

But is that always true? Does a radio jockey calling Nepalese chowkidars and spectators teasing Australian all-rounder Andrew Symonds with monkey chants prove that we are racist or is it just the misbehavior of a few Indians? Are Indians unaware of their internal racist bias?

CNN-IBN’s Senior Editor Sagarika Ghose asked this on Face The Nation to Dipankar Gupta, who teaches Sociology at the Jawaharlal Nehru University, Professor Kancha Ilaiah, a Dalit activist and writer, and former cricketer Maninder Singh.

Cultural clash

Australians say ‘b*****d’ is not that offensive to them as ‘monkey’, the slur Harbhajan allegedly used against Symonds.

Indians would regard ‘b*****d’ very insulting but ‘monkey’ not that offensive. So is this controversy merely a play of words or is it a misunderstanding between two cultures?

“A word doesn’t become racist because two people suddenly decided it to be. A word becomes racist because of convention and a large number of people agreed that it was racist. The term ‘Paki’ is racist but Brit is not, the term Caucasian is not racist but the term ‘Negro’ is. Monkey is not a racist term in India,” said Gupta.

However, in the racism allegation against Harbhajan, Ilaiah reminded, “It is important to consider how Andrew Symonds perceived that word.”

“Symonds is a Black and ethnically he has been denied historical rights. He has alleged that he has been called a monkey because he is a Black person. That is very important,” he said.

“In India, Brahminical forces consider ‘Chandala’ as a positive word but Dalits, tribals and other backward classes consider it as completely abusive. Our casteism is transcending into racism,” said Ilaiah.

But is sledging on the cricket field really racism?

Former cricketer Singh said players use abuses to “hurt the opposition” and break their concentration. “Symonds hasn’t taken too kindly to whatever has happened. His complaint is based on what he thinks,” said Singh.

“If Harbhajan has said that word (monkey) — and I am sure he has not — he did not do it with the intention that Symonds has taken it to be. Harbhajan said something in Hindi or Punjabi and Symonds has taken it in the sense of what it means in English,” he said.

Remember Jade Goody

Ilaiah found no merit in the logic of the comparison between Goody and Symonds.

“The whole question of racism is being taken as a national issue. We protested and made a big issue of (British celebrity) Jade Goody abusing Shilpa Shetty on reality show Celebrity Big Brother. Then why don’t we give the same benefit of doubt to Symonds and ask Harbhajan to apologise? Why are we not doing that?” he asked.

Gupta disagreed with the view that ‘monkey’ is racist. “It is an unwise term to use — it should not have been used — but it is not racist. Cricketers use highly objectionable terms, including incestuous ones, on the field and say that is part of the game. If that is part of the game then how come calling someone a snake, a rat or a snake in the grass is racist. We should not confuse racist slurs with caste slurs,” he said.

Ilaiah responded by saying there is a “very close interlink” between caste and race. “<b>The upper castes in India, whether they are in cricket or in academics, have no sense of guilt. This is a country, which drinks buffalo milk but worships the cow because it is a white animal. The buffalo cannot be worshipped because it’s black. This is the kind of racism that has gone into upper caste minds,</b>” he said.  <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo-->  Wow indians are racist for animals as well

What then would be the best solution to the present crisis between the Indian and Australian cricket teams?

Singh thought the best solution would be that Harbhajan and Symonds say sorry to each other.

Gupta accepted that India has a “racist and hierarchical” society but again insisted that any abuse or slur is bad. “Sledging is something that the Australians started. How come abuses that hurt very deeply are allowed and this one word becomes an issue,” he said.

Ilaiah stuck to his view and concluded the show by saying, “These two things (abuse and racism) cannot be equated. The BCCI and Harbhajan must say sorry.”

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http://www.ibnlive.com/news/racist-and-bli...0-3-single.html

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Wow indians are racist for animals as well <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ya, they pray white elephant Ganesha not black. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Rajdeep is not married to black female, he is racist.

Don't know why they invite these kind of people, I think just to create noise.

[Bharatvarsh]

wtf?

this fool seems to have gone senile or color blind, cows are white, then wat color is this:

http://www.tractorland.co.uk/UserFiles/image/cow.jpg

i don't know how morons like this get invited.

[Shambhu]

The real India to Sagarika Ghosh, The real India to Sagarika Ghosh:

Heard of Kali? Pls kindly tell colour onlee, no?

Heard of Krishna? Pls kindly tell colour onlee, no?


SG, you do not need to force facts to fit your hypothesis.

BTW, I am glad these journos are being exposed for what ignorant #$%$s they are..

Legbyetheway: Ms. SG, have you visited the dairy areas in Mumbai? Goregaon etc? Full of those (shiva-siva, hai raam!) goddamn black buffalos onlee, no cows. Where are the cows, I ask you kindly. And pls do not reply blindly, madam.

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Don't know why they invite these kind of people, I think just to create noise.
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You see Mudy, if they invite you, you'll probobabily ask Ilaiah fool as to why does he not feed his kids black kala-khatta instead of white milk? And you'll probabily ask he as to why Hindus do revere buffalo who's dear to Lord Yama or as to why "upper caste" Sant Gyaneshwar made a buffalo utter words from Gita instead of a cow? Or as to why Hindus pray to dark Krishna or Shiva or Kali etc..? You get the idea.

These nitwits have their uses as rabble rousers to promote their own bigoted agenda. And the TV shows get them for a very precise reason.

They are rendering themselves irrerevalant with the masses because they use logic that defies even basic common sense.

[Bharatvarsh]

This Ilaiah fellow is sponsored by the soul harvesters just like the "Dalit" Voice nut Rajashekar (funnily enough both are not Dalits, Ilaiah is an OBC, a Golla or Andhra yadav), please go through Elsts "Indigenous Indians: Aagastya to Ambedkar" where he discusses Rajashekar and missionary backing in detail and also shows the Neo Nazi like "ideology" of Rajashekar (he was the first to expose this).

Meanwhile:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Baptist funded front based in Kansas, DFN is another missionary
front based in CO. A friend had called them at their toll free
number 1-866-921-1333. An American employee named Nikki answered. My
friend introduced himself as a journalist from Mumbai and asked if
DFN has any contact office in India. She replied, "It is All India
Christian Council. You can contact them. Their email ID is
info@..." When asked whom one should talk to in the USA
for a position paper on `Dalit' Christian women's emancipation, she
responded if this friend would like to talk to their Overseas
Evangelical Communications Manager, or if she could transfer the
call to AICC functionaries in India. She didn't know that AICC had
any phone number in India, so in all likelihood, it is a paper
office run by American missionaries. So, the supposed AICC
functionaries quite likely are residing in the USA.

Any of you can repeat the same experiment.

Friends, NONE of the organization which uses the word `Dalit' is
representative of Harijans. Ilaiah and Udit Raj are frauds on
American missionary payroll. These have absolutely no base among the
Harijans. They are merely doing the hack job for the American
missionaries in return for massive compensation. These guys can
never go against Christianity because the missionaries are paying
them huge money. It is a disgrace that Hindus are unable to see
through this decoy.

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[Bodhi]

The Times of India
THE RIGHT VIEW

<span style='color:red'>Honour regained? </span>
9 Jan 2008, 1611 hrs IST ,
Tarun Vijay

The whole nation stood as a rock and the media donned peoples' colour in slamming the unfair Aussies, thus recreating a solidarity we saw during Kargil when the Tricolour was unfurled atop the recaptured Batalik hills.

Great news. Team India has won the media match and the emotional war against the rabidly racist west's prejudiced mindset - this time involving the best preserved game played by the former natives of the Queen's land - cricket. The source and the character of the game apart, it was a question of a fellow Indian being subjected to an unfair punishment by an umpire described as the one leading the pack of wild dogs by Australian commentators.

This spirit underlines our identity as Indians defining our nationalism. But wasn't the glamour, the money involved and the suddenness of the decision more responsible for an eruption of this national euphoria? An elite class was hurt the most and it imposed its feelings through a media that reports about and caters to the rich and affluent classes. After all in an India where the majority lives in villages and indigenous games are more popular even now and the struggle to cross the poverty line is a matter of greater honour, how many Indians understand what cricket is all about and appreciate its nuances? Some time back it was Shilpa Shetty who represented the honour of the Tricolour when she was the target of racist abuse in Britain. But the controversy actually helped her get more assignments.

So what exactly constitutes a point of honour that we should fight for with all our might in Shilpa and Bhajji's case?

The same honourable minister who waxed eloquent on Bhajji's plight as BCCI president is responsible for importing wheat at an astronomical and scandalous price from foreign farmers but refuses the same price to Indian toilers, resulting in a number of suicides in India. The statistics released by the government show that "the number of suicides by farmers were 17,060 in2006 as against 17,131 in 2005. While Maharashtra topped the list of farmers' suicides with 4,453 cases, Andhra Pradesh came second with 2,607, followed by Karnataka (1,720), Chhattisgarh (1,483) and Madhya Pradesh (1,375). West Bengal (1,189) and Kerala (1,124) were placed sixth and seventh". Of the 17,060 farmers who committed suicide, 14,664 were men.

I have never seen any channel or newspaper taking up the issue of farmers' suicides and their misery or for that matter any issue affecting rural India with the same verve and firmness as shown in Harbhajan Singh's case. In a nation where punishment to one sportsman becomes a matter of honour for a thousand million people, 17,060 farmers committing suicide does not become a matter of honour for any one. And these farmers commit suicide not because of any firang but solely because of faulty government policies and the government's single-minded focus on the rich and the corporate world. No one screams out in the press - it's a matter of shame. Until we create a situation where farmers are happy, we shall boycott dirty politicians' programmes. No one will ever say so because neither do the farmers have a voice in Parliament nor do they entertain the ruling elite as do the cricketing "heroes" and poster boys.

So what makes a matter of honour and who decides it?
More than twenty five thousand Reangs were forced to flee from Mizoram because they refused to convert. Finally, they had to take shelter in Tripura. No one reported this or held special discussions on this. Kashmiri Hindus have been living without hope and have been virtually de-listed from every forum deciding the fate of their homeland. The secular red haven of West Bengal has the most women ( 6.605) committing suicide, yet the debate is on the ideological confusion among senior communists.

Our honourable Prime Minister is going to China next week with hopes of strengthening our friendship. But China is busy preparing to win more gold medals in the coming Beijing Olympics. In the 2004 Athens Olympics, China won 63 medals, including 32 golds and 17 silver. India finished 66th among 71 countries, with a lone bronze.

A matter of honour and celebration of Indian might and talent?
Why did the mothers of the valiant soldiers who sacrificed their lives defending Parliament feel so insulted that they returned the gallantry awards presented to their sons.

Honour for whom?
Lakhs of people gather in the capital to protest the destruction of the greatest heritage site mankind can proclaim - an Adam's bridge or Ram Setu - and it shakes up no one.

A matter of democratic honour?
A nation which feels honoured to dishonour it own wealth of heritage and culture and treats its own people with contempt and eulogises colonial values can't gain respect even in a tiny banana republic. The entire world's wealth is like a useless sand dune if self pride and core values defining national continuity of civilization are missing.

A Pravasi Bharatiya's inspiring story...
And here is a true story of a great Pravasi Bharatiya, Bob Harilela, which should be gifted to everyone participating in the Pravasi Bharatiya Divas in the capital. Bob told me this in his posh Mumbai flat, recounting the time when his mother sent him on a two month tour of India to familiarise him with his ancestral country. Bob came, toured Delhi, Jaipur and Mumbai, and returned disgusted. How was the tour Bob, his mother asked in their palatial home known as the Buckingham Palace of Hong Kong. Bob replied, "Mom, please never send me again to that country. I belong to China, that's my passport, What do I have to do with India? Its dirty, too crowded, people don't know English, please, I don't want..."

Before he could finish, his mother said: "Ok Bob I shall do what you wish but for a second go to the other side of the wall and tell me what you see there." Bob was perplexed. He went to the other corner, saw his face in the huge wall mirror, and came back. "Mom, have you gone crazy?" he asked.

His mother queried: "Bob, what did you see there?"

He gave up and said: "It was me. I saw my image, don't you know."

"I know Bob. Your face has Hindustan written in large which none can erase. Whatever your passport, or your nationality, you will always be known by you face, by your Indian origins. Remember this."

That was the day Bob was turned towards his Punya Bhumi Bharat, and since then he comes India every year contributing to the growth and well being of its people in his own humble way. His house has a temple and every child is taught the Hindu values of love, compassion and universality.

The moral of the story is that unless we make our home great and the grand Indian dream is realised and until we stand firmly on our feet with military might and prosperous society honouring her roots and heritage, the nation would not have regained the honour it deserves in real terms.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/article...6,prtpage-1.cms

http://tarun-vijay.blogspot.com

Tarun Vijay
Editor, Panchjanya
Sanskriti Bhawan
Deshbandhu Gupta Marg
New Delhi 110055